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July 14, 2007
The Nation’s Piece on War

If you haven’t read it yet, this is your weekend assignment:

Over the past several months The Nation has interviewed fifty combat veterans of the Iraq War from around the United States in an effort to investigate the effects of the four-year-old occupation on average Iraqi civilians. [These combat veterans] described a brutal side of the war rarely seen on television screens or chronicled in newspaper accounts.

One author of the piece also has an OpEd in today’s LA Times:

We need to muster the moral courage to face the reality of the war. To wallow in a myth that trumpets our goodness, denies our irresponsible rules of engagement and demonizes those who oppose us will leave us unable to end the occupation and begin the long, slow process of reconciliation.

An assortment of quotes from the (long) Nation report below the fold:

"I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi"

"And this baby looked at me, wasn’t crying, wasn’t anything, it just looked at me like–I know she couldn’t speak. It might sound crazy, but she was like asking me why. You know, Why do I have a bullet in my leg?…"

".. they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, ’cause it’s
doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots
it. And he didn’t–mother­fucker–he shot it and it went in the jaw and
exited out."

One photo, among dozens turned over to The Nation during the investigation, shows an American soldier acting as if he is about to eat the spilled brains of a dead Iraqi man with his brown plastic Army-issue spoon.

"So you’ve just humiliated this man in front of his entire family and terrorized his entire family and you’ve destroyed his home. And then you go right next door and you do the same thing in a hundred homes."

"I just remember thinking to myself, I just brought terror to someone else under the American flag, …"

"It was just soldiers being soldiers …"

"The Geneva Conventions don’t exist at all in Iraq, and that’s in writing if you want to see it."

"Life is just knocked down to this primal level."

"It becomes this racialized hatred towards Iraqis." […] "By calling them names," he said, "they’re not people anymore. They’re just objects."

"Well, one of the bullets happened to just pierce the windshield and went straight into the face of this woman in the car."

"We’re using these vulnerable, vulnerable convoys, which probably piss off more Iraqis than it actually helps in our relationship with them," Flanders said, "just so that we can have comfort and air-conditioning and sodas–great–and PlayStations and camping chairs and greeting cards and stupid T-shirts that say, Who’s Your Baghdaddy?"

While many veterans said the killing of civilians deeply disturbed them, they also said there was no other way to safely operate a patrol.

The killing of unarmed Iraqis was so common many of the troops said it became an accepted part of the daily landscape.

".. the mentality of my squad leader was like, Oh, we have to kill them over here so I don’t have to kill them back in Colorado"

"I mean, I guess I have a moral obligation to say something, but I would have been kicked out of the unit in a heartbeat. I would’ve been a traitor."

.. veterans said fear often clouded their judgment

"It killed the mother, a father and two kids. The boy was aged 4 and the daughter was aged 3."

"And this colonel turns around to this full division staff and says, ‘If these fucking hajis learned to drive, this shit wouldn’t happen.’"

"Someone could look at me the wrong way and I could claim my safety was in threat."

"I even specifically remember being told that it was better to kill them than to have somebody wounded and still alive."

"The guys got spooked and decided it was a possible threat, so they shot up the car."

"It’s not individual atrocity. It’s the fact that the entire war is an atrocity."

"I just–I started thinking, like, Why? What was this for?"

"Instead of blaming your own command for putting you there in that situation, you start blaming the Iraqi people…."

"The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with. And everybody else be damned."

Read it and talk about it …

Comments

see also democracy now! from thursday.

Posted by: selise | Jul 14 2007 16:52 utc | 1

Iraq PM: Country can manage without U.S.

– Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave “any time they want,” …
.. one of his top aides, Hassan al-Suneid, rankled at the assessment, saying the U.S. was treating Iraq like “an experiment in an American laboratory.” He sharply criticised the U.S. military, saying it was committing human rights violations, embarassing the Iraqi government with its tactics and cooperating with “gangs of killers” in its campaign against al-Qaida in Iraq.

So waht is the U.S. waiting for – Maliki said “any time” – get out.

Posted by: b | Jul 14 2007 16:58 utc | 2

Thanks for front paging this, b. I hope everyone here will take a moment to forward a copy of this Nation piece to everyone in their address book, and ask each of them to do the same.
It is very, very important.

Posted by: Bea | Jul 14 2007 17:26 utc | 3

As a companion piece, read this post from Blue Girl and definitely view the embedded video segment, which is a Nightline segment on the discharge of traumatized soldiers with a diagnosis of “personality disorder,” and all that that entails.
Put the Nation piece and this report together, and think about the long-term repercussions…

Posted by: Bea | Jul 14 2007 17:50 utc | 4

Watch this!

The Guardian’s award-winning photographer and filmmaker Sean Smith spent two months embedded with US troops in Baghdad and Anbar province. His harrowing documentary exposes the exhaustion and disillusionment of the soldiers.

Posted by: b | Jul 14 2007 17:56 utc | 5

Just realized that my #4 post could be construed as my concluding that the main takeaway from the Nation piece is about the impact of all this horror on the soldiers, not the Iraqis. Nothing could be farther from the truth, so I am sorry if I have unwittingly given that impression. I just happened upon the Blue Girl post at around the time I was reading b’s post and put the two together in my head. The real takeaway from the Nation piece, of course, is that anyone and everyone involved in this fiasco is going to be irreparably harmed, and that the war’s face to Iraqis is one of indiscriminate brutality — far more, probably, that even the Nazis, if you think about it, because death is not being shipped off to discreet “locations” but is happening every day, day in and day out, in complete random and arbitrary fashion, right in civilians’ living rooms, in their markets, in their schools, parks, etc — in other words, sudden and instant death at the hands of a scared US soldier is now as much of a possibility in one’s ordinary routine as say, getting a cold might be.

Posted by: Bea | Jul 14 2007 18:00 utc | 6

The Sean Smith video – or a version of it – was shown on Channel 4 News in the UK on Thursday evening, and is an extremely graphic complement to the Nation article.
The troops featured in Smith’s reportage are clearly on the verge of losing it – the burnout is etched into their faces, and in the course of the embed period they got extended until August ( and it wouldn’t surprise me if they got extended again ).

Posted by: dan | Jul 14 2007 18:11 utc | 7

Ok I read it. A bit too – oh the poor soldiers, they get thrown into this awful situation; they are not culturally prepared; they suffer PTS when they come home, etc. Bit of a whitewash, with the Iraqis being non-people not only in the soldier’s mind but in the author’s as well – of course they couldn’t cover everything and did work hard, and were imagining their presumed audience. I suppose one should be glad that the ‘raids’ are portrayed as senseless, purposeless, people will sit up and ask: Why are *we* DOING this?
What I found interesting was that the apparent complete lack of command, of principles, of plan, came over sharply. There is a sort of feeling of the soldiers and Iraqis in the same boat, prisoners of a device, both victims, with shadows hovering in the background.
The whole however is based on the myth of the possibility of a “clean war” or an occupation where valiant, worthy soldiers are saviors rather than oppressors. Besides WMD etc. that was the idea that sold with the American public…
I didn’t watch the videos posted because I had my dose for the day..

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 14 2007 19:17 utc | 8

Cannon posted a suspect video of a guard at Abu G. telling his experience see vid here and discussion here.
This vid. is most certainly a ‘fake’ in the sense that the person speaking did not experience what he said he did. (Imho.) He gives a testimony that is intended to shock (O my God!) or provoke sadistic glee (war porn.) It fictionalizes reality, as what he says is a rendition, a normalization, a second hand presentation of what really goes on. On one level, it is very convincing, very true to life. Fake, fictionalized, leaks! Because the ‘real’ can’t be published, not in brute, factual form.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 14 2007 19:39 utc | 9

with the Iraqis being non-people not only in the soldier’s mind but in the author’s as well
This part I would take issue with, considering who Laila al-Arian is.

Posted by: Bea | Jul 14 2007 19:54 utc | 10

During, and after, the ‘friendly’ US occupation of France, many US soldiers were court-martialed, then hanged, for rape and other atrocities.
Afaik, they were all black. (?) On many occasions, the French victims pleaded against death, along Catholic pardon lines.
A quick google did not turn up an overview – and I am no historian as everyone here knows. Still such stories, handed down to me in part by family, resonate (what a feeble word) today.
See a book description / story
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Posted by: Noirette | Jul 14 2007 20:09 utc | 11

Bea, that is how the piece comes over, focussed on US soldiers experience. I don’t blame the authors for that, didn’t. It addresses one aspect, well and good. I knew, know, nothing about the authors, as *people* their motives, probity, none of which I questioned. All I pointed out was that the Iraqi side was missing, but probably could not have been included…

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 14 2007 20:21 utc | 12

Bea, that is how the piece comes over, focussed on US soldiers experience.
The sources for the piece were 50 U.S. soldiers. Not any Iraqis. The near purpose was to show some of the cruelty of war. The long purpose was to end it.
The best way to do that in a sublime racist, anti-Arab culture like the U.S. currently has, is to let the soldiers speak. If the Nation’s authors would have interviewed and documented 5,000 Iraqis, I would not have any effect.
Smart as they are, they use the “near home”, “our boys/gals” perspective. Historically that’s not correct as the pain is certainly more Iraqi. In human effectiveness to end the war, it’s the best they could do …
Thanks to them.

Posted by: b | Jul 14 2007 20:35 utc | 13

If the Nation’s authors would have interviewed and documented 5,000 Iraqis, I would not have any effect.
No, none at all. You are absolutely right. And they have made a great contribution to bringing awareness to the American people of what this war is all about. Now the piece just has to get as broad a reading as possible. Unfortunately, the Nation probably does not have that broad an audience, but this is the type of piece that other publications will hopefully pick up and report on as well.

Posted by: Bea | Jul 14 2007 20:55 utc | 14

b link#5,
I imagine that video X 100,000 per day accurately represents whats going down in Iraq. Everybody in the U.S. should see this video and ponder what they have wrought upon Iraq and their own.

Posted by: anna missed | Jul 14 2007 20:56 utc | 15

As if more evidence for CoW attrocities being committed on the Iraqi people, this from a murder case trial testimony by an Iraq vet:

Marine: Beating of Iraqis became routine
CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. – A Marine corporal testifying in a court-martial said Marines in his unit began routinely beating Iraqis after officers ordered them to “crank up the violence level.”
Cpl. Saul H. Lopezromo testified Saturday at the murder trial of Cpl. Trent D. Thomas.
“We were told to crank up the violence level,” said Lopezromo, testifying for the defense.
When a juror asked for further explanation, Lopezromo said: “We beat people, sir.”…
“I don’t see it as an execution, sir,” he told the judge. “I see it as killing the enemy.”
He said Marines consider all Iraqi men part of the insurgency….
Prosecution witnesses testified that Thomas shot the 52-year-old man at point-blank range after he had already been shot by other Marines and was lying on the ground.
Lopezromo said a procedure called “dead-checking” was routine. If Marines entered a house where a man was wounded, instead of checking to see whether he needed medical aid, they shot him to make sure he was dead, he testified.
“If somebody is worth shooting once, they’re worth shooting twice,” he said….

Dogs of War. And so true anna missed,

Everybody in the U.S. should see this video and ponder what they have wrought upon Iraq and their own.

These men are/will be returning to families and jobs, unable to just quickly switch back into relaxed cvilian mode, bringing with them the killer and oppressor attitudes gathered in Iraq. I feel for the people who will have to put up with the mental and physical abuse dished out by returned ex-service men with their mind and soul still in Iraq.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Jul 16 2007 0:26 utc | 16

Noirette – You might find Chris Hedges book worth reading. Hedges is one of the authors of the Nation piece.
I pulled together the Nation piece, the Guardian video and an incident this week in Iraq for my weekly FDL post on
Iraq. – hopefully, this will increase the audience.
I normally do not post about US soldiers except to point to what their actions mean to Iraqis but I think the Nation’s article is one that helps to tie it all together.

Posted by: Siun | Jul 16 2007 6:21 utc | 17

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Posted by: Siun | Jul 16 2007 6:22 utc | 18