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July 24, 2007
OT 07-51
Sorry for little posting – busy days – but there is always interesting News & Views … Open thread …
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Gonzales hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee just closed. Hagel: White House Originally Wanted 2002 Iraq War Resolution to Cover Entire Middle East
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 24 2007 18:33 utc | 2 swans: The Essential Significance Of Ralph Nader:
Posted by: b real | Jul 24 2007 18:48 utc | 4
Would you like turnips with your cabbage soup, yet again today, comrade? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 24 2007 19:43 utc | 6 S & U$, Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 24 2007 20:04 utc | 7 Cindy Sheehan arrested @ Conyers office during sit-in
Way to go, “SoCalledLiberal” and dkos! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 24 2007 20:43 utc | 8 Ethiopia deadline for Red Cross
Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2007 2:50 utc | 9 Re: my # 6 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 25 2007 3:21 utc | 10 tom barry: analysis: The New Politics of Political Aid in Venezuela
Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2007 3:28 utc | 11 Meet Republican*, Terrance W. Gainer, Sergeant at Arms of the US Senate and hopefully the Harriet Meirs arrester. Of course he’s currently in the news due to his ability to enforce orders of civil contempt. Could come in handy if, say, you wanted to arrest someone for disobeying a subpeona, but can’t turn to the Justice Dept. On the orders of the Senate, the Sergeant at Arms can even arrest the President of the United States. Well, theoretically, I suppose. But come on, you would only need that if our Executive Branch was, like, fundamentally corrupt, or something ridiculous like that. /snark Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 25 2007 3:52 utc | 12 Looks like neo-con the wurmster is waving goodbye — and opening a risk assessment consulting firm, wouldn’t you know it. Posted by: anna missed | Jul 25 2007 4:40 utc | 13 churchill is a fighter, and he’s definitely in the right on this one, so this could get interesting & serve as a catalyst for something Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2007 4:59 utc | 15 Did the awful Obama really reduce the african amerikan experience to the difficulty of catching a cab in Manhattan? eg:
Without getting into the whole epigenetics debate agin, aren’t people just a little puzzled by the fact that two of the most successful black men in amerika, Colin Powell and Barack Obama, both come from the tiny percentage of black amerikans whose ancestors weren’t dragged to the country in chains? And yes I am aware that in Powell’s case his forbears may have been enslaved in one of the Caribbean colonies. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 25 2007 5:01 utc | 16 I’m seriously distressed about this Iran warmongering. But I do hope that EVERYONE read my link on previous open thread concerning the drought in the Amazon Rain Forest. If the drought continues this yr. & next, the Amazon would collapse, releasing 90 Billion tons of carbon into the atmosphere, doubling the rate of global warming. Weather cycles as we know them would shift drastically w/in 1-3 yrs. What would happen to agriculture…food supplies…immigration of desperate vast masses. Posted by: jj | Jul 25 2007 5:20 utc | 17 I find Bob Jensen’s take on Ward Churchill to be reasonable and constructive as do others. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 25 2007 5:29 utc | 18 @jj Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 25 2007 6:01 utc | 19 @U$ I saw Jensen’s article this morning but didn’t have time to read it, something i have just corrected. It is great that he came out to offer support for Churchill but it would have been better if he hadn’t devoted so much time to hairsplitting. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 25 2007 6:21 utc | 20 I have also come to see the Falcon crackdown drills & Halliburton camps as preparation for another horror scenario following a major terrorist attack: namely coping with hordes of fanatically patriotic militiamen going about hanging suspected terrorists (i.e., anyone with dark skin) from lamp posts. Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 25 2007 6:23 utc | 21 Debs is dead@16, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 25 2007 10:07 utc | 22 The proud Lebanese army is still busy converting Nahr al-Bared into rubble. This is tenth’s or so “final push”:
As I sugggested in comment 1, Gonzales did lie in yesterdays testimony about a “gang of eight” meeting at the White House:
What to do about Gonzales? I see clear cases of perjury before Congress on at least three issue – the above, his denial of influencing Goodling and the lies about the “program”. Sen. Specter nearly asked for a special prosecuter yesterday. That certainly would be nice. Impeachment of Gonzales should also be possible. “What is holding Congress back?” Posted by: Parviz | Jul 25 2007 11:39 utc | 25 This is a good background article on the overall political situation in Lebanon today. It helps put the Nahr al-Bared situation in context but also helps fill in the picture of how the various pieces of the Middle East puzzle fit together. Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Iran — they are all intertwined in some ways. Sometimes watching what key players are doing in one country is a clue to their intentions in another. So I recommend this piece as a general backgrounder to help those interested in learning more. Posted by: Bea | Jul 25 2007 12:11 utc | 26 Several very moving stories of Palestinians who struggle to make some sense of the devastation and inhumane conditions in which they live. Posted by: Bea | Jul 25 2007 12:43 utc | 27 really, gonzales is a piece of work – equal mix of one of the diabolic boys in lord of the flies &the mad judge freiser Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 25 2007 13:42 utc | 28 Has anyone more recent information on detention centers than the 2006 info my Google search turned up? Anything that could add credibility to the doomsday assertions? Posted by: Juannie | Jul 25 2007 13:46 utc | 29 Juannie: I’ve done some investigative work on the detention camps. It is old and incomplete. Could do some more if anyone is interested. Posted by: Jake | Jul 25 2007 16:04 utc | 30 Lessee, is that squad of goons kicking in my door local cops, or a SWAT team, or NorthCom special forces? Posted by: ran | Jul 25 2007 16:40 utc | 31 I don’t think that the Halliburton Detention Centers and the Falcon trial runs are just for rounding up dissidents: I seriously fear that in the wake of a serious terrorist attack, there will be anarchy in the form of bands of militiamen and “patriots” out in their SUV’s, rendering peremptory and preemptive “justice” against anyone they perceive as a potential threat to security: illegal immigrants, dark-skinned minorities and anyone wearing a turban or head scarf. Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 25 2007 16:47 utc | 32 Jake, it’d be interesting if you wish to update yr. info & share it w/us. I’m curious how close to operational they are & what type of capacity they’re planning for. Posted by: jj | Jul 25 2007 18:04 utc | 33 Jake, it’d be interesting if you wish to update yr. info & share it w/us. I’m curious how close to operational they are & what type of capacity they’re planning for. Also, does anyone know if such things are going on in Europe? Posted by: jj | Jul 25 2007 18:05 utc | 34 july 24: NATO takes steps to demonstrate interest in N/Delta
most related links i’ve been trying to follow to this SNMG1 mission, including northwoods’ site, are no longer functional. the u.s. navy assumed command of SNMG1 from canada back on january 26 & will be leading this expedition. Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2007 18:35 utc | 35 Y’all got me thinking about these camps. (Sorry for the screwup w/double post above.) Given weather turbulence, approaching Peak Oil, converting corn fed to animals to ethanol insuring most will not be able to afford to eat meat w/in next year or 2 max, resource wars, does anyone actually see any way that the entire 2000 year old project of civilization is not coming down verrry soon & verry rapidly? Then, in America, throw in hyper-inflation, retirees starving, elite plans to merge w/a completely corrupt Mexico in next 1-2 yrs. w/full-rights of immigration about which the masses know nothing… So, why wouldn’t you build them? How are we not staring the Apocalypse in the Face? Posted by: jj | Jul 25 2007 18:38 utc | 36 ouch – from Froomkins WaPo chat today
That from one of the most intense White House watchers … Should have opened a thread on the Gonzales lies – no time.
My well founded guess – it spies on “political enemies”, i.e. Democrats in Congress and journalists. That also explains their behaviour …
Simple answer: They would have to un-conceal themselves … @jj – 36 – Then, in America, throw in hyper-inflation, retirees starving, elite plans to merge w/a completely corrupt Mexico in next 1-2 yrs. w/full-rights of immigration about which the masses know nothing… So, why wouldn’t you build them? How are we not staring the Apocalypse in the Face? You may be right b but that doesn’t negate the possibly sinister intent of the building of these detention centers. If they turn out to be as the rumors have it. So jj spoke for me also Jake. I’d be interested in what you’ve got and whatever else you can glean. Thanks jj. Posted by: Juannie | Jul 25 2007 21:29 utc | 40 b real@35, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 25 2007 22:13 utc | 41 that is to say, they’re dealing w/ people who have more on the line, their lives, heritage & homes at stake Posted by: b real | Jul 25 2007 22:27 utc | 43 Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 25 2007 22:54 utc | 44 @jony_b_cool it is the short sighted stupidity of the way that niger delta issues are handled that gets me pissed. It was obvious 10 years ago when Ken Saro-Wiwa was legally murdered that the Ogoni people were not going to allow their home to be destroyed and polluted without putting up a fight. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 26 2007 0:32 utc | 46 debs is dead –
Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2007 3:12 utc | 47 wrt #11 above
gringoinvenezuela has put the icons side-by-side so’s you can compare them Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2007 3:40 utc | 48 Inside Higher Education On Ward Churchill Dismissal Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 26 2007 5:13 utc | 49 @b- Religious Cult???? My brain shuts down @mention of “god”….I’m a pagan buddhist! What have I been reading – about the Amazonian Drought which, if it persists would have unknown but significant immediate ramifications for all of us. And also the Energy Bulletin . Posted by: jj | Jul 26 2007 6:39 utc | 50 wrt Gonzo… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 26 2007 6:50 utc | 51 jj, thanks for putting the north american union plan into perspective. Union busting is a tangible reason why business interests would want to do this. Posted by: jonku | Jul 26 2007 7:47 utc | 52 Some intellectual light relief: Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 26 2007 7:53 utc | 53 from keeping and eye on past and recent presidential executive orders,and the trial runs of the falcon program,i think that when the administration finally acts on their plan, be it an attack on iran,a terriort (real or orchestrated)attack or anything that falls under the idea bush has that he can in-act marshall law.the american people may just wake up and head strait towards washington.only to find out what those detention centers are for.once 1/2 a million disappear and armed militia show up on our streets the rest of the sheeple will fall into place.or so they may believe.i hope i’m wrong about a devious plan and the american shepple,if not see you there. Posted by: onzaga | Jul 26 2007 7:53 utc | 54 b real, I am trying to pay attention to your in-depth reporting on Africa, please keep it coming. Posted by: jonku | Jul 26 2007 7:54 utc | 55 @jj – you are mostly right of course – I simply hate the word apocalypse – it carries too much religion and too little reality. The “old guard” is really pissed: Here are two very, very conservatives coming out against Bush’s torture decree in a WaPo oped – War Crimes and the White House
From B’s #57, Posted by: anna missed | Jul 26 2007 9:27 utc | 58 b- check. I have zippo religious background, so Apocalypse has no religous overtones for me. It simply conveys imminant catastrophe to me. I’ll substitute the term “Abyss”. The Amazonian drought story just tossed me over the edge, as it is the first story I’ve read that gives a date, next year, to potentially catastrophic climate changes. Then I posted it & no one reacted, so I got even more freaked. I flipped from thinking about elites as “they”, to asking myself what I would do if I were a planner & read that story. You have to shift from thinking that perhaps we can “manage” the transition, however fanciful & ludicrous that is, to just trying to cobble together some vague contingency plans for increasingly global social breakdown. Posted by: jj | Jul 26 2007 10:09 utc | 59 Welcome back, onzaga & jonku. Been wondering about you. Onzaga, are you still in N.O? How are things in general/w/you if you feel like discussing it? Posted by: jj | Jul 26 2007 10:11 utc | 60 Israel approves transfer of weapons to PA
FBI Proposes Building Network of U.S. Informants
Debs is dead@46, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 26 2007 12:22 utc | 63 onzaga, Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 26 2007 12:26 utc | 64 (ties in w/ the issue of self-determination that slothrop & citizen k brought up in another thread)
Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2007 15:02 utc | 65 this is one of the sources i cited quite a bit throughout my AFRICOM rpt (and who kindly dropped some brecht into the comments)
Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2007 15:24 utc | 66 democracynow coverage today on the attack on the newspaper
(audio download available after 11 am NY time) Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2007 15:29 utc | 67 more navy guys getting nominated for promotion to the higher ranks of AFRICOM and EUCOM. (more evidence of a shift into a new era of gunboat diplomacy?)
Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2007 15:44 utc | 68 two rpts show that citizens are mobilizing into demonstration mode in somalia, and, surprise surprise, they’re not protesting against the insurgents
there was also a rpt earlier this week of what sounds/looks like a staged rally to indicate public support for the national reconciliation conference still underway in mogadishu
Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2007 15:57 utc | 69 @jj/Jake/b re: doomsday/apocalypse/climate change Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jul 26 2007 16:25 utc | 70 Good news of the day: Mohammed Dahlan resigns following Fatah’s Gaza defeat
Well – that is not the REAL reason why he had to be fired.
No way Abbas could stick to Dahlan after that … Looks like some of the missing money in Iraq may have magically found its way into the pockets of this serving officer and family. Posted by: anna missed | Jul 26 2007 19:27 utc | 72 @72 anna missed Posted by: beq | Jul 26 2007 19:42 utc | 73 narco news: US Relations with Venezuela Take Center Stage in the US Presidential Campaign
Posted by: b real | Jul 26 2007 19:42 utc | 74 @72 anna missed: Posted by: Rick Happ | Jul 26 2007 21:16 utc | 75 Still giving us the same old B.S. Posted by: Rick | Jul 26 2007 21:37 utc | 76 thanks jonku
this was pointed out back in june in an analysis over at oilwars, which i linked to at the time. Posted by: b real | Jul 27 2007 3:50 utc | 77 Tillman 3 shots in the forehead close range by M-16
However, this…from the article: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 27 2007 4:19 utc | 78 Uncle – I doubt Tillman said anything with those 3 bullets in the forehead. Guess they fragged him … stan goff recently wrote
that doesn’t rule out an unplanned murder Posted by: b real | Jul 27 2007 4:58 utc | 80 Watch the oil prices – when such pressure annoys the Saudis, they might start to have some “technical production problems” …
When the military really, really needs to get out of Iraq it can be done pretty fast
Former Ambassador Craig Murray on Afghanistan (and Litvinenko):
Thank you, Dr, Yueh, for your superb post. Do you or anyone else know of any sites that are tracking on an ongoing basis ecosystem disruptions, including weather changes? Posted by: jj | Jul 27 2007 9:32 utc | 85 Sorry, I’m tired. I neglected to include that he thinks that private transportation is more feasible than public transportation given population distribution in america – unlike Kunstler who makes his living flying around the world from his rural abode, berating everyone for said distribution. A.L. doesn’t have a problem w/that for the reason I mentioned above, while neglecting to provide context for that info. Posted by: jj | Jul 27 2007 9:37 utc | 86 Study: Iraqis May Experience Sadness When Friends, Relatives Die
U.S. drops Baghdad electricity reports
A good one on the current credit crunch by Jerome at DKos: ‘For all practical purposes the markets are closed right now’ Dr Haneef has been freed. Haneef is the Doctor who was the first person to be accused of being a terrorist by association under Australia’s new mad and bad ‘anti-terra’ laws. According to the Sydney Morning Herald
There are a number of interesting issues arising out of the whole mess. The Australian domestic ones may not interest many but I will mention them.
India is now most defininately a player. Some of you may remember a year or two ago I posted a yarn which mentioned the dismissive attitude that Maori and Pacific Island people had towards the poor people from the Indian sub-continent who had started to populate the poorer areas of NZ cities. Well the attitude of John Howard and his government towards India was similar. Somewhere sometime I will complete a post on the touchy subject of “White Australia” which is by no means a uniform attitude but which is the bailiwick of Howard and his ilk. Fear of the huddled masses of Asia is one of the primary contributors. That and the lower middle class racism that is endemic in many white dominated cultures. Those lower middle class types were the prison warders or “traps” that were brought to Australia centuries ago and abused their power into continued power in the Australian Liberal Party which Howard is the leader of. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 28 2007 4:32 utc | 90 Thanks Did – quite interesting how dominant India and China are becoming. And good that Haneef is free again (almost).
b #91
Posted by: Juannie | Jul 28 2007 18:11 utc | 92 As a US congressman, what can I do, if and when impeachment fails, to thwart the cabal from reeking mayhem on our country? b @ 91 Posted by: dan of steele | Jul 29 2007 17:49 utc | 94 Russia might very well be part of Europe now and the middle east would be all colonized and most likely under European domination. |
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