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July 15, 2007
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Fresh open thread … your comments of/on news & views …
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here’s one to go along w/ the heritage foundation backgrounder i linked to above (#62) which recommended a coordinated u.s. agency push to privatize energy resources in africa. (i’ve already pointed out parts of this months ago in my rpt on AFRICOM, but it’s good to see more coverage/awareness building.)
[weird how the first sentence almost responds to my opener – “In early February 2007 the White House finally announced a presidential directive to establish by September 2008 a new unified combatant command with an area of responsibility (AOR) solely dedicated to the African continent. While there had been chatter and debate over a period of years about the form that such a military command should take, the announcement to proceed with centralizing military resources in Africa should not have surprised anyone paying attention for the past seven years.”]
the first scramble was posited on bringing the 3 c’s to africa — christianity, civilization, & commerce. maybe we can adjust that slogan for the new scramble to crude, commerce, & china, only this time the new 3 c’s are things being taken out of africa.
well, duh Posted by: b real | Jul 15 2007 5:42 utc | 1 Children of Deported Immigrants Being Held by “Private Contractors”
This makes me furious for some reason; even after knowing not to expect any semblance of humanity from the PTB. ‘I don’t know what scares me more, the madness that smashes people down, or their/our ability to endure it.’ Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 15 2007 5:53 utc | 3 in mogadishu
Insurgents step up attacks in Somalia, reinforcements deployed
some background on why the u.n. secretary general & the u.s. are so keen on seeing the conference finally take place
i skipped a whole lot of interesting material in this footnoted analysis. definitely worth a read if you’ve been following this. Posted by: b real | Jul 15 2007 6:00 utc | 4 Setting up Petraeus as scapegoat: Bush Leans On Petraeus as War Dissent Deepens
He’ll be fired shortly after his report in September …
Bill Kristol will not have any of it: Why Bush Will Be A Winner
One really wonders what this guy is drinking … b real #1, Posted by: anna missed | Jul 15 2007 7:16 utc | 7 Outsourcing Justice? That’s Obscene.
Rice confirms warning signs of terror attack on U.S. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 15 2007 7:19 utc | 9
I have a gut feeling myself that the impeachment heat being turned up this summer is causing two old hands in the White House to think about some diversionary tactic. More proof, if needed, that corporations, even foreign ones, rule.
Posted by: ww | Jul 15 2007 8:17 utc | 11 WaPo OpEd: Stop Trying To ‘Save’ Africa
Uzodinma Iweala is the author of “Beasts of No Nation,” a novel about child soldiers. More U.S. planes in Iraq … ready to go where?
Ship of fools: Johann Hari sets sail with America’s swashbuckling neocons
I don’t know if I should thank you for that link at 14 or not b. Posted by: dan of steele | Jul 15 2007 9:10 utc | 15 As the source is Iranian Press TV, one first would think this is propaganda:
But then consider the LA Times saying:
State orders flak jackets in Baghdad’s Green Zone
Uncle #3, Posted by: Rick | Jul 15 2007 11:51 utc | 18 This is what occupation is
Anybody who wants to continue this despicable, murderous occupation is beneath contempt in my book. Posted by: ran | Jul 15 2007 12:42 utc | 19 copeland @ 10, completely agree. bruce fein is an outstanding consitutional scholar. i was in awe of his command of the constitution, his commitment to pursuing to impeachment at this moment in history, and his rationale – it’s what our founders had in mind when they wrote the consitution. our congress must impeach – it is inherent in their job description. i hope people take the time to watch this and THEN call their representatives and demand they do their jobs. an email with a link to the show should be sent to every rep and senator in congress. i haven’t checked out the c&l link, but this one also takes you to moyers’ site. easily one of the best shows i have seen, possibly the most important in my television experience. Posted by: conchita | Jul 15 2007 14:38 utc | 20 Talking Iraq – July 15, 2007 Posted by: Mark G | Jul 15 2007 14:54 utc | 21 Only thing better than owning your own team is owning the team who step up against em as well:
@Mark G Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 15 2007 15:08 utc | 22 Uncle $cam@22: Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 15 2007 16:04 utc | 23 jony_b_cool, you forget the ATC/ISRAEL/ISI players… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 15 2007 17:03 utc | 24 Oh, and Lukery has this… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 15 2007 17:10 utc | 25 The Word on the street: “The War on Terror” is B.S. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 15 2007 18:10 utc | 26 Here is a piece, from 2005 and unfortunately very long, which summarizes a lot of research into a phenomenon they call ponerology. The study of evil and the curious persistence of a 6% figure, the proportion of the population which is psychopathic. Posted by: rapt | Jul 15 2007 21:32 utc | 27 The latest from Antonia Juhasz: Posted by: Bea | Jul 15 2007 22:38 utc | 28 rapt@27 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 15 2007 23:16 utc | 29 This is a good, in-depth look at the use (and abuse) of US airpower in Afghanistan, and what it portends for Iraq as the forces are “drawn down” in the coming year:
Posted by: Bea | Jul 16 2007 0:17 utc | 30 Air power piece – link for #30 Posted by: Bea | Jul 16 2007 0:19 utc | 31 Another special comment from Keith Olbermann: Posted by: Bea | Jul 16 2007 0:38 utc | 32 “The trend is not monolithically positive.”
I was reminded of a western or maybe several westerns I saw as a kid where the’half breed’ scout trusted by neither side disappears right before a cavalry ambush.
A mob of male bonding fun out in a desert what’s so bad about that? Well they are whoopin it up in an area where survival is achieved only by a great deal of effort so their ‘fun’ is likely to be interpreted as a ‘diss’. But scratch a redneck and you know what you will likely find. Something like this:
The differences between the various groups of whitefellas on the best way of ‘winning’ is also much more apparent in this article than any number of hints about “european reservations about Bomber McNeill’s strategy” that have been alluded to elsewhere. The area that the DynCorp contractors to DEA were working is meant to be under a Dutch Military Administration. The DEA didn’t have much time for the Dutch plan of winning hearts and minds through reconstruction so they pretty much ignored them and set about harassing poverty stricken farmers instead.
However if we take Lee at his word, that is if he is just reporting what he saw without too much editorialising we shouldn’t imagine for one moment that there is a mob of Dutchmen running around the desert building schools and hospitals, developing agricultural irrigation systems and driving agrarian reform (most of the farmers are tenants of huge landowner/warlord types.
So it is the same as it always was in Afghanistan. There are no billions of dollars of wealth hidden under the ground ripe for theft, so whitefellas are talking loudly and carrying a big stick, or talking softly and handing out small change. There are numerous other issues not least of which is that entrenched ethnocentricity – in reality plain racism that I have observed before in some Europeans who profess to be liberal. For example the Dutch always seemed to find a reason why Afghanis couldn’t access the health services they had brought with them for their troops. There was one particular case where an Afghani policeman had been badly injured and the Dutch refused to treat him.
The time does come and after the DynCorp contractors get a new asshole torn in a comedy of errors arising out of stupidity and the bureaucratic inertia that causes otherwise sane people to press on to make some arcane point, they hunker down until the last few days of their ‘tour’. Whereupon they decide to ‘show the farmers who is boss’. Thier effort is complicated by the provincial Governor’s public support combined with a private refusal to let the DEA trash any of his opium crops.
The US attitude appears to be that unless the opium growing is halted immediately, corruption and gangsterism will become entrenched in the administration. They use Colombia as an example of how things go wrong. I’m not a fan of comparing apples with oranges, that is trying to argue that this will happen here because that happenned there, however if were are going to draw comparisons why not compare the so-called “Golden Crescent’ of Afghanistan, Pakistan and other Central Asian nations growing smack with the old “Golden Triangle” nations of Thailand, Cambodia and Laos in South East Asia. The income from smack has been used to develop the economies. Thailand in particular has progressed past being a narco-economy without the heavy handed intervention that was used on Colombia and Mexico and is now proposed for Afghanistan. Why not use those excellent examples of how to help a state become viable. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 16 2007 0:52 utc | 33 anna missed @7 – Posted by: b real | Jul 16 2007 3:01 utc | 34 I can’t wait until these guys get re-integrated back into the civilian population. Posted by: Monolycus | Jul 16 2007 3:20 utc | 35 well, the national reconciliation conference in mogadishu ended up getting postponed yet again
according to an AFP story,
so the organizers are using low attendance to claim the postponement (til thursday) isn’t due to the violence, but rather to allow the remaining attendees ample time to show up. yea right.
were those the ones w/ the suitcases of u.s. dollars mentioned in #4 above?
some pix of the aborted conference here where you can check out the fancy decorations! Posted by: b real | Jul 16 2007 3:27 utc | 36 I agree Monolycus, and good to see you btw. Yeah, the fall out from the delayed PTSD of troops on civilian society is going to be heartbreaking and massive. Much more so than Vietnam ever was, I suspect.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 16 2007 4:28 utc | 37 outstanding. more remote control joystick powered murder
Posted by: ran | Jul 16 2007 4:41 utc | 39 ‘First robot attack squadron’ bound for Iraq
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 16 2007 5:20 utc | 40 #40, Posted by: anna missed | Jul 16 2007 5:41 utc | 41 Sorry ran..
2007-07-02 Experts study how to encode ethics for a new breed of robot warriors with a “conscience.”
By Increasing the complexity and distance between Killer and Killed. We are not only dehumanizing war, i.e., close up combat, but the question must be asked: When will they start using this technology against US? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 16 2007 6:03 utc | 42 no prob U$ and that’s the exact first question that came to my mind: when will these fucking things be flying overhead here with some unaccountable cowardly dipshit 1000 miles away playing judge/jury/executioner? Posted by: ran | Jul 16 2007 6:22 utc | 43 Uncle, Ahhh, Copeland, ran, et al.. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 16 2007 7:54 utc | 45 WaPo: U.S. Bet on Abbas For Mideast Peace Meets Skepticism
Guardian: Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran
We are the U.S. government. Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2007 8:54 utc | 48 OT – Congratulations Bernhard on making the big time — I see Joshua Micah Marshall posted a link on his talking points memo. So that’s good! Posted by: jonku | Jul 16 2007 8:56 utc | 49 b@12, Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 16 2007 10:31 utc | 50 roads to iraq host a good aljazeeha interview w/chomsky including a Q&A session w/comments re israel also. Posted by: annie | Jul 16 2007 14:40 utc | 51 Thanks for the acknowledgement, Unca. Means a lot. Posted by: Monolycus | Jul 16 2007 15:16 utc | 52 Kidnapping and child abuse. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 16 2007 18:13 utc | 54 Uncle Scam wrote: We know what the real deal is…but the other 99% of the population don’t have the foggiest. I would bet a huge sum that not one of my university-educated colleagues has even heard of the Anthrax mailings in the US. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 16 2007 18:52 utc | 55 Noirette: Posted by: Rick | Jul 16 2007 19:24 utc | 56 Shrub announces yet peace conference led by CondiLiesAlot. Posted by: ran | Jul 16 2007 20:06 utc | 57 @Noirette Sorry to interject but I think the critical point about subjects like Anthrax is not that people didn’t know about them when they occurred it is that they don’t remember them now. This is true of so much of what passes for current events that it has to be deliberate. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 16 2007 21:10 utc | 59 This looks to be a good movie… can’t wait to see it. Has anyone here seen it? The trailer is good. Posted by: Bea | Jul 17 2007 3:05 utc | 61 bea- film comment has a praising writeup on the movie in their latest issue, calling it an essential documentary – both for its msg & execution Posted by: b real | Jul 17 2007 14:00 utc | 62 more on the earlier FT href=”http://www.ft.com/cms/s/aa7ca680-31a2-11dc-891f-0000779fd2ac.html”>rpt on china signing oil exploration agreements w/ somalia. attempts by the TFG to placate western oil comps? or a seam that will finally rip apart the fragile puppet govt?
Posted by: b real | Jul 17 2007 16:00 utc | 63 analysis: E.U.-China Partnership on the Galileo Satellite System
Posted by: b real | Jul 17 2007 16:03 utc | 64 Victor Jara sings of Che! Posted by: Malooga | Jul 17 2007 18:40 utc | 66 thank you malooga -pathetic as it may be – che was & remains an influence on what i have done & what i do Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 17 2007 19:15 utc | 67 via narconews
Posted by: b real | Jul 17 2007 19:21 utc | 68 fpif: Africa: Green Revolution or Rainbow Evolution?
Posted by: b real | Jul 17 2007 19:26 utc | 69 The Twelfth in Basrah, Iraq by the Irish Guards, I know it is a few days late, but I’m sure R’Giap will snigger at this, and maybe have a comment. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 17 2007 20:59 utc | 70 Really OT. Posted by: beq | Jul 17 2007 22:46 utc | 71 @69 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 18 2007 0:25 utc | 73 lol. CP, one of the comments on that site said Posted by: annie | Jul 18 2007 1:05 utc | 74 some of the most un-qualified and imaginary goals set for Africa are to be found in the realm of HIV/AIDS. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 18 2007 1:17 utc | 75 US Military “rebranding” urged.
It’s not about the mass murder, the torture, the endless occupation, the global gulag – it’s about the positioning of same. Posted by: ran | Jul 18 2007 1:58 utc | 76 “We will help you” could be the pitch…U.S. forces should heed product “positioning” and branding lessons from such consumer-savvy powerhouses as Lexus, Ritz-Carlton hotels and Nike, said the report. Posted by: Bea | Jul 18 2007 2:05 utc | 77 And this: “And because it positions the United States as a partner of indigenous populations, it does not usurp their authority, dignity or responsibility.” Posted by: Bea | Jul 18 2007 2:07 utc | 78 Olmert to Abbas: If you dare talk to Hamas…
Posted by: Bea | Jul 18 2007 2:12 utc | 79 Abbas to Olmert: Two can play this game
Posted by: Bea | Jul 18 2007 2:36 utc | 80 Annie, this is for you. Emily Jacir has produced another powerful artistic rendering to shine light on what it means to be Palestinian. Posted by: Bea | Jul 18 2007 3:52 utc | 81 jony_b_cool: The condescending thing about it all is that hardly no one ever asks the Africans themselves, especially the stake-holders & knowledge workers what they really need. Every body thinks they know better than the “dumb” Africans.
even well before WWII, western europe was dependent upon external sources of grain as well, although by this time africa was no longer a key exporter of grain. (actually, africa now imports grain.) instead, other agricultural products — palm oil, cocoa, groundnuts, bananas, tobacco, tea, coffee, sugar, cotton, maize, etc — built the economies of the settlements & were exported to europe & across the globe. the big push now will be incredibly huge plantations for biofuels, which will further erode & ruin the landbase & capacity for survival. Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2007 4:13 utc | 82 Don’t miss this one, it is totally cool. And very different.
Posted by: Bea | Jul 18 2007 4:15 utc | 83 @breal #69: Posted by: Malooga | Jul 18 2007 10:21 utc | 84 The Battle of the Boyne was 317 years ago, so I fully expect the fallout of 2003 to be reverberating in the year 2320. Posted by: DM | Jul 18 2007 11:19 utc | 85 @Bea #81 Posted by: Juannie | Jul 18 2007 11:58 utc | 86 b real@82 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 18 2007 12:30 utc | 87 @84 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jul 18 2007 12:55 utc | 88 Recommended – Vanity Fair: Rorschach and Awe
A financial massaker in the making
Pufff – 10 billion gone … 100 billions to follow … I don’t have time to do this but here is an idea for a front page post: Posted by: Bea | Jul 18 2007 17:50 utc | 92 bea Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 18 2007 18:00 utc | 93 No wonder I can’t get ahead in this world. I just don’t understand how to be successful! Posted by: anna missed | Jul 19 2007 0:47 utc | 95 u.s. leaders finally realize they have an image problem w/ their little dictator pal
Posted by: b real | Jul 19 2007 2:48 utc | 96 Come on, it’s just money…. Right?
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 19 2007 3:00 utc | 97 Come on, it’s just money…. Right?
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 19 2007 3:01 utc | 98 New bin Laden same as the old one?
thats not bin laden Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 19 2007 3:21 utc | 99 b real 96, Posted by: Rick | Jul 19 2007 3:51 utc | 100 |
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