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June 11, 2007
Stay or Leave – Options in Iraq are Binary

Contributer anna missed relates an Alternet piece about the media stories on the "Korea model" – the idea of U.S. troops staying in Iraq for another 50 years. As the authors point out, none of these stories included any Iraqi voice or comment.

When I read Thomas E. Ricks’ A01 WaPo story yesterday, a similar thought occurred to me. Writing from Baghdad(!) Ricks reports how the U.S. military "envisions" a long stay in Iraq, albeit with a reduced force of some 50,000 troops.

This goal, drawn from recent interviews with more than 20 U.S. military officers and other officials here, including senior commanders, strategists and analysts, remains in the early planning stages.

It is based on officials’ assessment that a sharp drawdown of troops is likely to begin by the middle of next year, with roughly two-thirds of the current force of 150,000 moving out by late 2008 or early 2009.

Ricks talks to 20 U.S. military officers, but does not include even one Iraqi’s opinion.

At times his wording seems deliberate deceitful:

Despite the significant differences in the way the war has been
discussed in Washington and in Baghdad, this plan is emerging as a
point of convergence between the two capitals.

If there is convergence between two capitals, does that not include the assumption of two governments? But Ricks has not one quote other than from the U.S. side.

As the Alternet reporters document, all political parties in Iraq are vehemently opposed to a permanent occupation.

Without a very unlikely Iraqi acceptance, any longterm occupation will see continued armed opposition from multiple sides. Besides that, talk about troop reductions occur every few month at least since mid 2003 without any real reduction ever taking place.

But those are not the only reason to disregard troop reduction rumours.

The Ricks piece depicts roughly 50,000 soldiers left behind with some civilian contractors and including logistic elements. But 50,000 troops in Iraq can’t live off the land. They require some 5,000 tons of supply each day. On top of that come the logistic needs of the Iraqi Army.

That amount requires more than 250 trucks full of valuable stuff per day. These have to run hundreds of miles from Kuwait to Baghdad each day. How will that be possible without very men extensive protection? How will interruptions like yesterday’s bridge bombing be avoided? Is the Air Force supposed to deliver hundred of tons of gasoline for Stryker vehicles by plane?

I don’t think that’s possible. Indeed as Col. Pat Lang remarked the other day:

I would continue to argue that the maintenance of these bases will require a force just about as large as the present force when all requirements; combat, logistical, communications, transportation, etc. are taken into consideration.

Judging from that the only options now are either a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops or no significant withdrawal at all.

Those are the only two options – total stay or total withdrawal.

But before the Generals, ever compromising politicians and journalists will get "serious" about these binary choices, much more bad stuff needs to happen.

Until then, "seriousness" continues to be the incestuous brain-child of the Washington D.C. mafia. As the Alternet writers explain:

But [the reporters] didn’t make those calls [to Iraqis], and that’s an important part of how consent for throwing thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars into an occupation of a distant land is manufactured here at home: It starts with the assumption that the story of the U.S. "intervention" in Iraq can be told by talking to military analysts and "senior administration officials" in D.C., but without ever hearing from the people living on the fringes of the American Empire. It is not always intentional; it’s a facet of our media culture: You talk to "serious" analysts in Washington if you want to be seen as serious yourself.

They ask:

Where would the political fight over this four-year occupation be if it were widely understood that the vast majority of Iraqis — of all ethnicities and religious faiths and across the ideological spectrum — are united in at least one thing: their desire not to live under open-ended U.S. occupation.

Comments

“Post-occupation” occupation forces: 25,000 troops to provide cover while the other 25,000 duck. Or will they hire Blackwater to provide security?

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jun 11 2007 13:47 utc | 1

Another excellent post Bernhard. Thanks for front-paging this important piece and for your additional analysis beyond it.

Posted by: Bea | Jun 11 2007 14:17 utc | 2

Indeed, an excellent post — true, it was obvious from the beginning that the military presence in Iraq/Muddled east would be permanent and that the agenda was control over energy resources — but it’s good to see the blueprint laid bare like this.
My problem, though, is that some bugger put glue on my tinfoil hat and I can’t remove it like I used to.
With most of our combat military outside the country, we have a prime situation for a state coup using private forces — all that is needed is an unspecified attack on the homeland and a temporary exercise of unitary executive power could follow, of course, only to preserve our democratic institutions, you understand.
I apologize.

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jun 11 2007 15:02 utc | 3

The hallucinations of planning for a token force in Iraq only make sense if there is no intention of ever leaving and it is continued government propaganda. There is a mighty combination of forces supporting a never ending war: Hubris, Ideology, Israel Lobby, Big Oil and War Profiteering.
Forty times as many Americans are killed every year in auto accidents. The war will continue on until the US Army revolts like it did in Vietnam, America attacks Iran, the US economy collapses from energy and war costs, or a political revolution occurs in the USA in 2008, 2012 or 2016.

Posted by: Jim S | Jun 11 2007 16:26 utc | 4

When I first read the story about the “Korea model” last week I was so blown away I conflated a related event (in a post here). Bush was reported to be furious about the leak concerning plans to (radically) draw down troops later this year, and I misposted that he was furious about the “Korea model” being leaked. Turns out it was he who did the leaking, and was only furious at the idea (being floated) that this would involve a draw-down of troops.
Its incredulous to think that this idea of the Korea model would not be a huge story, particularly the president, since it flies in the face of literally every single justification – that the occupation is but a temporary (they stand up, we stand down) arrangement. It would make sense that he would be furious at such a leak in that it totally de-legitimizes every good guy side of his argument, and at the same time, un-masks his allies in the green zone government as being unabashed co-conspirators to the irrefutable colonization of their country. Ha! turns out he did it himself! So, we’ve turned an interesting corner here, where the sublimated intentions have been let out of their cage to feed upon the rhetorical wreckage of benign occupation. We’re in it for the oil, we’re in it for the military bases, we’re in it for all the reasons the president said we were not in it for. And its good thing he was the one to deliver the news — because he has de-legitimized everything he has said for the last 5 years and himself personally, in the process of finally telling the truth.
And how fitting, that the Green Zone gang were not even notified of the oncoming truth. So now they are totally liberated! To can rush into the streets and yell long live america! We are at your service! For ever!
This ought to go over really well.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 11 2007 17:53 utc | 5

The real choice may be 1) leave in a relatively orderly withdrawal or 2) get run out. The first takes planning, the latter helicopters and planes filling the air and runways night and day. AKA “Flight”.
Well, the third option would be stay and watch the Army and Marines crumble away in the desert bases. The figures I hear are that, when US is at full “surge” deployment in Iraq, sometime next month, there will be a total of 4 Army brigades remaining in US to deal with any other problems. And those forces are not fully armed and equipped. Nor fully staffed. Many soldiers, still listed as active, are not actually sufficiently recovered from their last combat tours to be redeployed. A shrunken colossus.

Posted by: small coke | Jun 11 2007 18:46 utc | 6

as many have stated here before, the US will not leave Iraq voluntarily. Who could live that down? You spend a trillion dollars and end up with nothing? I personally do not believe that we will run out of troops either. there are many troops stationed throughout the world who can be pressed into combat. every embassy has marine guards and they could easily be replaced with wackenhut employees. the states have national guards that can either go directly into combat or backfill regular Army.
if the US population can continue to put up with 2 dead soldiers every day the cheney admin might pull it off after all. eventually enough of the fighters will be killed and the infrastructure so destroyed as to not support any civilian population for the rebels to use for cover. couple that with the walls and zones already in place and you will eventually have a tired and beaten population. all that is required then is for a couple of tribal leaders to cut deals with the invaders. I have never compared the Iraqi invasion to the conquest of the Americas but there probably are more similarities than not.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 11 2007 19:27 utc | 7

Congress places American democracy in greater danger, as it postpones a confrontation with this outlaw president and his administration. They must not allow the possibility of a “Korea Model” in Iraq. They must not allow the investigation of the Attorney General’s office to stall. Bush has gone so far as to lay out an implicit threat with his Executive Order of May 9, 2007.
He threatens to put the cuffs on democracy and the powers of Congress, provided some kind of “catastrophic emergency” occurs.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 11 2007 19:46 utc | 8

Dan – I seriously doubt that the U.S. can continue with 130,000+ soldiers (and 100,000 contractors)in Iraq over many more years without a draft. Don’t forget that there are at least 70,000 more needed in Kuwait and elsewhere plus some banal 100+ billions per year to keep that Iraq machine running.
I have never compared the Iraqi invasion to the conquest of the Americas but there probably are more similarities than not.
The obvious model is of course the West Bank and Gaza. The Indians didn’t have IED’s. 40 years and the Pals still don’t give up, the Iraqis will not do so either.
But contrary to the Indians and Pals the Iraqis will have significant outside support. (If Bush continues to try to screw Putin, those manpads will certainly be send.)

Posted by: b | Jun 11 2007 19:48 utc | 9

I certainly can’t speak as an expert on manpower issues but I do know that the Air Force has been cut and cut a lot in the past few years. I can also tell you that many Air Force security policemen are trained for work in Iraq. all those people hanging out in Kuwait, UAE, Turkey, Sinai, Germany, Italy, UK, Korea, Okinawa, Guam, Panama, Colombia, Honduras, Haiti, and others in the ickystans can do a tour in Iraq. Not that many of them are out on patrols anyway. There is no need for a draft, people will join the military because they need work. In addition, the PTB can not instate a draft because it will make voters question the mission. as long as people volunteer to go off and kill or be killed it is harder to feel sorry for them. that would no longer be the case with conscripts and everyone would feel a bit of responsibility for sending others off to study war.
I honestly don’t believe that all the money we are told is spent on the war is actually spent on the war. I suspect a great deal of it is used for other things. besides that, the pirates running the show could give a rat’s ass about breaking the bank, they and their ilk will be just fine….they have their golden parachutes.
maybe this is just the natural order of things, we need to have another great war where tens of millions are killed and entire continents are destroyed. the lemming in us seems to call out for culling.
remembereringgiap’s dark outlook has finally infected me too.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 11 2007 20:19 utc | 10

William Polk on costs of Iraq war.
From his Iraq Fact Sheet @ Juan Cole’s website.

The cost of this policy to America: During the years April 2003-June 3, 2007, 3,493 servicemen and women have been killed; up to October 2006, the Department of Veterans Affairs has determined that about one in five soldiers has been “at least partially disabled” with over 100,000 granted disability payments and another 100,000 expected to claim them; in December 2005, the U.S. Surgeon General estimated that more than one in three of the half million Marines and soldiers who had as of that date served in Iraq needed mental health treatment; at least 50,000 have suffered concussions that will cause memory loss, headaches and confused thinking for the rest of their lives to such an extent that they will not be able to function well in society and will be a burden on their families and on the public health system; another large number will develop cancer as a result of exposure to an aerosol mutation (U3O8) of the depleted uranium used in artillery shells and bombs. Some scientists believe this is the cause of so-called Gulf War Syndrome.)
The monetary costs fall into two categories: actual allocations which now are well over $500 billion and are increasing by more than 20% a year: $77.3 billion in 2004, $87.3 billion in 2005 and $101.8 billion in 2006. That is roughly $10 million an hour. But according to Nobel Prize Laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz and former Assistant Secretary of Commerce Linda Bilmes, the real cost (by standard accounting methods) is between one and two trillion dollars. Frightening as these figures are, they are based on underestimated costs of imported oil and rehabilitation of returning servicemen and women by perhaps as much as $200 billion.
As the Baker-Hamilton study argued, the war is stretching America beyond our capacity. Moreover, to shield the public from the harm to our economy, we have engaged in borrowing vast amounts from foreign (mainly Chinese) lenders who watch as the dollar falls vis-à-vis the Euro from $0.80=€1 to $1.35=€1). Lenders
have lost about one-third of their outlay and, presumably, sooner or later will stop lending or even call their notes.
The cost to Iraq: Almost certainly, at least 600,000 more Iraqis have died than would have died without the war; about two million have fled the country; more than half a million have stayed inside Iraq but have lost houses, jobs, schools and neighbors; property damage has not been determined but surely runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars. In sum, Iraqi society has been destroyed.

Posted by: small coke | Jun 11 2007 20:26 utc | 11

The army has been lowering its own standards in order to meet recruitment requirements. Congress recently approved increasing total number of ground troops by 90,000 over next 5 years, which will add pressure to recruitment.
Qualifications fall.
From Boston Globe 6/1/07:
Armed Forces Qualification Test – math and verbal
% of Army recruits scoring below 50th percentile of same-age national cohort
2003 – 28.9%
2006 – 40%
HS graduates, % of Army recruits
2003 – 90%+
2006 – 80%
Moral and medical waivers increase.
From NYT 2/14/7
From 2003 to 2006 the number of moral waivers for Army recruits convicted of serious misdemeanors and felonies increased by 65%.
In the same period medical waivers for conditions such as asthma, high blood pressure, ADD, etc. increased 4%.
Retention of troops, esp officers and soldiers with experience and special skills, may be more important for effective military function than signing up new recruits. Present stats on this are harder to find. However, increasing bonuses and incentives suggest that this is also a growing challenge.
A sample of the broad bonus structure.
A Fox source reports that Special Forces reenlistment bonuses range from $140,000 to $160,000. $20,000 reenlistment bonuses for captains were just approved. Senior NCOs and warrant officers in high priority specialties already receive $40,000 to $150,000 to reenlist. Bonuses for mid-career infantry just increased by $5,000 to $25,000. Everyone involved knows that the best time to reenlist and collect a bonus is while serving in a combat zone, making it a tax-free payment.
I agree with b. It is hard to imagine how the Army will maintain and increase its forces without a draft. And it is hard to imagine politically how a draft can be approved without raising broad public determination to end the war.
A little more economic instability might help recruitment and retention.

Posted by: small coke | Jun 11 2007 22:39 utc | 12

Lets see if I’ve got this correct~ youse guys are saying that ‘IF’ more US Servicemen/women are killed, and ‘greater’ economic instability should arise, then ……….. ? Exactly what is it that you see happening?

Posted by: SoandSo | Jun 11 2007 22:51 utc | 13

youse guys are saying that ‘IF’ more US Servicemen/women are killed, and ‘greater’ economic instability should arise, then ………
Yes, withdrawal/losing the “lost war” will help matters.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jun 11 2007 23:18 utc | 14

b, don’t call them Pals @ 9 above. That is the “right-wing” nickname for Palestinians. Your short-cutting their rightful title is akin to stealing their land.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jun 11 2007 23:23 utc | 15

dan
i have to focus on what is happening in latin america to see any light
the darkness is borne of the 21st century’s love for simplicity & the way fear has been used to create in one state after another – what are in essence – enabling acts
what bush has done, what blair & howard have done – what merkel, sarkozy are doing – is creating the measure – social & political – where there is no effective dissent & where dissent exists it is both demonised & marginalised
these are their version of the nazi’s enabling act
& while these civil societies become even more corrupt – they carry out mass slaughter in iraq, they & their erstwhile enemies have finally destroyed whatever an afghan society might ever be, egypt & pakistan are so totally fucked – that it doesn’t blow up is due either to a miracle or the amazing restraint of the people
dan i think we are the same age – i’ve never witnessed or felt this world as dark as this
the fascist just carry out their criminal policies, the policies of cruelty & vengeance – & their parliamentary ‘oppositions’ – wherever they are – are so ridicule – they are in all practical sense – fucked
i fear for the people of iraq – that these most cultivated people have been caught in the traps of this century’s most vulgar minds

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 12 2007 0:06 utc | 16

youse guys are saying that ‘IF’ more US Servicemen/women are killed, and ‘greater’ economic instability should arise, then ……….. ? Exactly what is it that you see happening?
for god’s sake don’t feed the beast soandso, that is a no brainer. let’s put it this way. our soldiers remain in iraq, miraculously unharmed, we start reaping the oil$$$ via the 70% ‘international trade’ allowed by the bearing pt constitution… bingo! america’s superpower just grows. it is a cancer threatening the globe. soo… you ask exactly what we see happening? how about not that. how about risking food lines here at home rather than the future of humanity? i think it would be easier for the american people to shut down the war as opposed to say.. the ‘islamic terrorists’. here are the options as i see them. the people of america stops the beast. some other country/ies (china?) stop the beast, the beast grows. i think i would rather have us shut down the neocon operation.
that said, the military feeds off poor people. how else is johnny going to get off the farm. make education off the chart$, offer zilch health care for entry level employment across the board, no pensions (gee, i wonder of this is why bushco wants that immigration package, ys think), in other words, make the military the ONLY option for decent wage, health care, $ecurity for uneducated, immigrants wanting status, morally challenged…. so yeah, the worse it gets, the more hungry you are, the better chances recruitment officers are going to be filling quotas.
Retention of troops, esp officers and soldiers with experience and special skills, may be more important for effective military function than signing up new recruits. Present stats on this are harder to find. However, increasing bonuses and incentives suggest that this is also a growing challenge.
small coke, there is no way the military can offer the benefit$ of the private options, blackwater etc. make no mistake, we will have a full force in iraq, it will just be supplemented by the privatization factor. just like cheneyco wants, the privatization of the military. those reinlistment bonuses are per reinlistment, not yearly salaries.
I honestly don’t believe that all the money we are told is spent on the war is actually spent on the war.
of course not dan!! all you have to do is follow duke cummingham and his ilk to figure out these military contracts are lining the pockets of you know who’s friends.
what i am wondering is, why tell us now? many of us have known all along they never planned on leaving, what has happened that makes letting the cat out of the bag presently acceptable?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12 2007 1:10 utc | 17

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Posted by: annie | Jun 12 2007 1:14 utc | 18

As annie says: there is no way the military can offer the benefit$ of the private options, blackwater etc.
Far as I can tell, Blackwater is letting us taxpayers pay the salaries for the initial training of their future employees…at least thems that survive said training with most of the their limbs intact. Blackwater ain’t worried about souls.
Those $30K bonuses are disgustingly tempting to kids who can barely hold down a job flipping burgers. I want to scream when one of my students at the community college tells me she missed class for two weeks because she was spending time with her husband before he ships out….usually the girl telling me this story is pregnant, and is counting on that sign-up bonus to pay the rent while she tries to stay in school, praying and praying that her sweetie comes back in one piece and somewhat sane.
The cruel war is raging
Johnny has to fight
I want to be with him
From morning till night

Posted by: catlady | Jun 12 2007 4:13 utc | 19

…if I go there will be trouble/
if I stay there will be double…
The Clash,
“Should I Stay or Should I Go”

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jun 12 2007 4:58 utc | 20

It’s obvous, this admin, this country, this elected leadership, this REPUBLIC, is under the influence of all but the PEOPLE!
Predict the worse, expect the worse, and then plan to get the phuck out of here cuz BlackWater is gonna be movin in along with the Red Dawn Patrol.
It’s over.
The masses have PROVEN they will NOT protest en masse, in the hundreds of thousands, in the milliions, or more.
It’s over, Big Bro owns it all, and we are merely chattel.
Free lives are found elsewhere now, beyond this shattered Republic . . .
Harumph.

Posted by: larue | Jun 12 2007 5:20 utc | 21

larue wrote:
this elected leadership
What planet do you live on? The elected President in ’00 was Gore. The elected President in ’04 was Kerry. These FaRTs (Fascists, Theocrats & Reactionaries) have orchestrated 2 Coup d’etats.
Aside from that non-trivial detail, you’re spot on. P.C. Roberts new column discusses Neo-Nuts lust to nuke Iran to supposedly force MaleMuslims to knuckle under to xUS whims in ME. But that isn’t the only reason they wish do engage in such a horrific war crime.
The neoconservatives also believe that nuclear attack on Iran will isolate America in the world and, thereby, give the government control over the American people. The denunciations that will be hurled at Americans from every quarter will force the country to wrap itself in the flag and to treat domestic critics as foreign enemies.  Not only free speech but also truth itself will disappear along with every civil liberty.The Neoconservative Threat to American Freedom

Posted by: jj | Jun 12 2007 7:16 utc | 22

You are quite right, of course, b, the situation in Iraq has become “binary” as you call it. The Iraqi people reject, in vast majority, a permanent US occupation. Probably 80-90% or more of the non-Kurdish population – it is necessary to make this exception, the Kurds have very different attitudes. But as for the rest – some may talk about the US staying in the short term (in order to “improve security” (I believe those are deluded)), but nobody would agree to a 50 year presence. So the choices are a continuing occupation by force of an unwilling people, or a complete departure. I’ve been saying this for weeks. I’m glad you agree, and you are quite right in saying that a gradual draw-down is unrealistic.

Posted by: Alex | Jun 12 2007 8:42 utc | 23

CP @15 – I didn’t know that, thanks.

Wondering why so many troops are needed? The campaign to shut down the U.S. road logistics in is full swing now. The insurgents will force the convoys to take to slow secondary roads and kill them off there.
The U.S. will have to permanently put a company next to each major bridge to prevent some of the damage. That alone will keep severals brigdes busy just to keep some roads open.
Bombings Target 3 Key Bridges in Iraq

Suspected Sunni insurgents bombed and badly damaged a span over the main north-south highway leading from Baghdad on Tuesday _ the third bridge attack in as many days in an apparent campaign against key transportation arteries.
The attack occurred 35 miles south of Baghdad and just six miles south of a bridge brought down on Sunday by what was believed to be a suicide truck bomber.

The explosion at 7:30 a.m. Tuesday _ not thought to be a suicide bomb _ struck a bridge linking the villages of al-Qariya al-Asriyah and al-Rashayed in northern Babil province.

But debris from the blast fell on the main north-south expressway below, further complicating efforts to reopen that main artery, closed after Sunday’s blast dropped masses of concrete onto the roadway.

On Monday, a parked truck bomb destroyed a bridge carrying traffic over the Diyala River in Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad. There were no casualties, but vehicles were being forced to detour to a road running through al-Qaida-controlled territory to reach important nearby cities.

Earlier this month, a bomb heavily damaged the Sarhat Bridge, a key crossing 90 miles north of the capital on a major road connecting Baghdad with Irbil, Sulaimaniya and other Kurdish cities.
In March and April, three of Baghdad’s 13 bridges over the Tigris River were bombed.

The most serious attack, an April 12 suicide truck bombing, collapsed the landmark Sarafiyah bridge and sent cars plunging into the brown waters of the Tigris.

Posted by: b | Jun 12 2007 11:41 utc | 24

Recommendable OpEd: Post-traumatic Iraq syndrome
The war is lost. Americans should begin to deal with what that means.

Hopefully at some point during the recriminations to come, the American people will seize the opportunity to ask themselves a series of fundamental questions about the role and purpose of U.S. power in the world. How much influence can the United States have in the Middle East? Is its oil worth American blood and treasure? Are we really safer now that Iraq burns? Might we not be better off just leaving the region alone?
Perhaps at some point we will come to recognize that the United States can afford to be much more restrained in its foreign policy adventures. Were our founding fathers here, they would surely look on Iraq with horror and judge that the nation they created had fundamentally lost its way. If the war in Iraq leads the United States to return to its traditional, restrained grand strategy, then perhaps the whole experience will not have been in vain.
Either way, the Iraq syndrome is coming. We need to be prepared for the divisiveness, vitriol, self-doubt and recrimination that will be its symptoms. They will be the defining legacy of the Bush administration and neoconservatism’s parting gift to America.

Posted by: b | Jun 12 2007 13:08 utc | 25

… having these ‘outposts’ with hamburgers, internet, showers, endless imported fresh fruit, laundry, etc etc etc – imagine it! – which at the same time need soldiers or contractors for defense, protection and all the scut work, peeling veggies and checking the bacterial level of the pool, etc. etc. – endless grunts and third worlders clipping gardenias, producing fresh french fries, and checking all the cables so that birthday parties can be held, with cream cakes, candles, if you please, cheers and shouts and songs, beer and more, gropings in the dark, ok it is sorta bunk beds, but baby I love you! We are safe here! and the whores come in dressed in burkas, under, is under…
The supply lines – a nightmare. Eating up energy endlessly — and so vulnerable, such a temporary position.
But either one is a supremacist, right strong good moral – and expect all that … or not.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 12 2007 15:18 utc | 26

#26 The Riddler??? Say huh? There are “outposts” and there are “bases”. Some have, and some have not.

Posted by: SoandSo | Jun 12 2007 15:24 utc | 27

I am not sure if this was posted here already, but here is a new interview with Antonia Juhasz on Democracy Now from June 6. It’s not earthshattering and mostly repeats what we already know, but it is interesting.

Posted by: Bea | Jun 15 2007 15:39 utc | 28