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Strategy on Hawaii Stirs New Debate in Tokyo

Mr. Bush has publicly vowed that he would never “tolerate” a nuclear Iran, and the question at the core of the debate within the administration is when and whether it makes sense to shift course.
The issue was raised at a closed-door White House meeting recently when the departing deputy national security adviser, J. D. Crouch, told senior officials that President Bush needed an assessment of how the stalemate over Iran’s nuclear program was likely to play out over the next 18 months, said officials briefed on the meeting.
In response, R. Nicholas Burns, an under secretary of state who is the chief American strategist on Iran, told the group that negotiations with Tehran could still be going on when Mr. Bush leaves office in January 2009. The hawks in the room reported later that they were deeply unhappy — but not surprised — by Mr. Burns’s assessment, which they interpreted as a tacit acknowledgment that the Bush administration had no “red line” beyond which Iran would not be permitted to step.

The debate over “red lines” is a familiar one inside the Bush White House that last arose in 2002 over North Korea.
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The Pentagon had drawn up an extensive plan for taking out those facilities, though with little enthusiasm, because it feared it could not control North Korea’s response, and the administration chose not to delivery any ultimatum.

Posted by: b | Jun 16 2007 4:45 utc | 1

Naomi Klein: Laboratory for a Fortressed World
Coming Attractions: Prison Populations, Guinea Pigs & Profits — An Israeli Entrepreneurial Success Story

At a glance, things aren’t going well for Israel. But here’s a puzzle: why, in the midst of such chaos and carnage, is the Israeli economy booming like it’s 1999, with a roaring stock market and growth rates nearing China’s?
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…Israel has learned to turn endless war into a brand asset, pitching its uprooting, occupation and containment of the Palestinian people as a half-century head start in the “global war on terror.”
…Thirty homeland security companies were launched in Israel in the past six months alone, thanks in large part to lavish government subsidies that have transformed the Israeli army and the country’s universities into incubators for security and weapons start-ups (something to keep in mind in the debates about the academic boycott).
Next week, the most established of these companies will travel to Europe for the Paris Air Show, the arms industrys equivalent of Fashion Week. One of the Israeli companies exhibiting is Suspect Detection Systems (SDS), which will be showcasing its Cogito1002, a white, sci-fi-looking security kiosk that asks air travelers to answer a series of computer-generated questions, tailored to their country of origin, while they hold their hand on a “biofeedback” sensor. The device reads the body’s reactions to the questions and certain responses flag the passenger as “suspect.”
Like hundreds of other Israeli security start-ups, SDS boasts that it was founded by veterans of Israel’s secret police and that its products were road-tested on Palestinians. Not only has the company tried out the biofeedback terminals at a West Bank checkpoint, it claims the “concept is supported and enhanced by knowledge acquired and assimilated from the analysis of thousands of case studies related to suicide bombers in Israel.”
Another star of the Paris Air Show will be Israeli defense giant Elbit, which plans to showcase its Hermes 450 and 900 unmanned air vehicles. As recently as May, according to press reports, Israel used the drones on bombing missions in Gaza. Once tested in the territories, they are exported abroad: the Hermes has already been used at the Arizona-Mexico border; Cogito1002 terminals are being auditioned at an unnamed US airport; and Elbit, one of the companies behind Israel’s “security barrier,” has partnered with Boeing to construct the Department of Homeland Security’s $2.5 billion “virtual” border fence around the United States.
Since Israel began its policy of sealing off the occupied territories with checkpoints and walls, human rights activists have often compared Gaza and the West Bank to open-air prisons. But in researching the explosion of Israel’s homeland security sector…it strikes me that they are something else too: laboratories where the terrifying tools of our security states are being field-tested. Palestinians — whether living in the West Bank or what the Israeli politicians are already calling “Hamasistan” — are no longer just targets. They are guinea pigs.

Keep in mind, what seemingly works well in the UK and Israel is more times than not, emulated here. These countries, USA, UK, Israel run their proactive authoritative security programs like a pilot programs and exchange results.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 5:07 utc | 2

No Bang for the Buck: (PDF) Military contracting and public accountability
Steven Staples
The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 5:20 utc | 3

The “superb” U.S. military can’t even guard itself …
Shadow War in Iraq Escalates in Intensity

While the military has built up troops in an ongoing campaign to secure Baghdad, the security companies, out of public view, have been engaged in a parallel surge, boosting manpower, adding expensive armor and stepping up evasive action as attacks increase, the officials and company representatives said. One in seven supply convoys protected by private forces has come under attack this year, according to previously unreleased statistics; one security company reported nearly 300 “hostile actions” in the first four months.

[Contractors] guard key U.S. military installations and provide personal security for at least three commanding generals, including Air Force Maj. Gen. Darryl A. Scott, who oversees U.S. military contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The military plans to outsource at least $1.5 billion in security operations this year, including the three largest security contracts in Iraq: a “theaterwide” contract to protect U.S. bases that is worth up to $480 million, according to Scott; a contract for up to $475 million to provide intelligence for the Army and personal security for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers; and a contract for up to $450 million to protect reconstruction convoys. The Army has also tested a plan to use private security on military convoys for the first time, a shift that would significantly increase the presence of armed contractors on Iraq’s dangerous roads.

Posted by: b | Jun 16 2007 5:31 utc | 4

Taiwan legislators are still sane: Taiwan Rejects Most of U.S. Arms Package Offered in 2001

After six years of hesitation, Taiwan’s legislature voted Friday night to approve only a small portion of an $18 billion arms package suggested by the Bush administration as the best way to gird the self-ruled island against any attack by China.

[T]he opposition Nationalist Party, which controls the Legislative Yuan, refused to endorse it, saying the suggested purchases were too expensive, inappropriate for Taiwan’s needs and likely to fuel an arms race with the mainland.

Posted by: b | Jun 16 2007 5:38 utc | 5

Speaking of outsourcing
Just received a copy of Dr. R J Hillhouse’s OUTSOURCED and will be devouring it over the weekend, along, with several, several Vin Mariani’s, so I may not be posting as much the weekend;or if I do, they might be incoherent…lol Have a good weekend kids.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 6:54 utc | 6

Oh, and Happy Father’s day to the dad’s!
Howard Moss, Elegy for My Father:
Father, whom I murdered every night but one,
That one, when your death murdered me.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 7:06 utc | 7

Sadly correct: We Are Losing the Fight Over Iran

[W]ith our own peace movement completely fixated on ending the war in Iraq, we seem to have scant attention free ourselves to directly confront the chicken hawks on Iran. So we find ourselves three moves behind them on the domestic political chess board, as their construction of the public psychological framework needed to facilitate an attack on Iran nears completion. We spend so much time talking to ourselves that we don’t always hear what others might be saying to each other. We see the American public coming around to our own views on Iraq, and unconsciously assume they must view the larger question of further conflicts in the Middle East the same as we do also. Simply put, they do not.

Posted by: b | Jun 16 2007 8:11 utc | 8

Uncle Scam, I think you’ve got it backwards. The U.S. has been a war-based economy since Roosevelt, and if it weren’t for arms sales, the U.S. would probably be a massive corn field… not a bad idea to me, actually, considering what a war economy has done to the rest of the world, not to mention the corrosion in the souls of people in the U.S.
I think Israel is just mimicking the U.S. “success story.” The difference maybe is that, with the internets, people can know more about these goings-on if they want to.
btw, I don’t know if this article was posted here in the past, but it’s certainly worth a read. Schmitt’s idea of dictator is practically a line reading of Bush administration tactics… including the (permanent) “state of emergency” and “unitary executive” to justify dictatorial powers to the executive branch.
the article notes that Schmitt has also been the philosophy behind authoritarian marxism as well.

No wonder that Schmitt admired thinkers such as Machiavelli and Hobbes, who treated politics without illusions. Leaders inspired by them, in no way in thrall to the individualism of liberal thought, are willing to recognize that sometimes politics involves the sacrifice of life. They are better at fighting wars than liberals because they dispense with such notions as the common good or the interests of all humanity. (“Humanity,” Schmitt wrote in a typically terse formulation that is brilliant if you admire it and chilling if you do not, “cannot wage war because it has no enemy.”) Conservatives are not bothered by injustice because they recognize that politics means maximizing your side’s advantages, not giving them away. If unity can be achieved only by repressing dissent, even at risk of violating the rule of law, that is how conservatives will achieve it.
In short, the most important lesson Schmitt teaches is that the differences between liberals and conservatives are not just over the policies they advocate but also over the meaning of politics itself. Schmitt’s German version of conservatism, which shared so much with Nazism, has no direct links with American thought. Yet residues of his ideas can nonetheless be detected in the ways in which conservatives today fight for their objectives.

and some quickie wiki
For Schmitt, every government capable of decisive action must include a dictatorial element within its constitution. Although the German concept of Ausnahmezustand is best translated as state of emergency, it literally means state of exception, which Schmitt contends frees the executive from any legal restraints to its power that would normally apply. The use of the term “exceptional” has to be underlined here: Schmitt defines sovereignty as the power to decide the instauration (establishment) of state of exception, as Giorgio Agamben has noted.
According to Agamben,[citation needed] Schmitt’s conceptualization of the “state of exception” as belonging to the core-concept of sovereignty was a response to Walter Benjamin’s concept of a “pure” or “revolutionary” violence, which didn’t enter into any relationship whatsoever with right. Through the state of exception, Carl Schmitt included all types of violence under right, linking right & life (zoe) together, and thus transforming the juridical system into a “death machine”, creating an Homo sacer.
Schmitt opposed what he called “chief constable dictature”, or the declaration of a state of emergency in order to save the legal order (a temporary suspension of law, defined itself by moral or legal right): the state of emergency is limited (even if a posteriori, by law), to “sovereign dictature”, in which law was suspended, as in the classical state of exception, not to “save the Constitution”, but rather to create another Constitution.
This is how he theorized Hitler’s continual suspension of the legal constitutional order during the Third Reich (The Weimar Republic’s Constitution was never abrogated, underlined Giorgio Agamben[citation needed]; rather, it was “suspended” for four years first at February 28, 1933 Reichstag Fire Decree and the suspension was renewed every four years similar to a – continual – state of emergency).”

Posted by: fauxreal | Jun 16 2007 14:03 utc | 9

No prejudice here, eh?

Religious extremists in 3 faiths share views: Report
[The conference keynote speaker, Jessica Stern] said to compare violent extremists from the three faiths was not to suggest that the threat was the same.
“These are not equivalent,” she said. “The problems arising from Christian or Jewish extremism are not threatening to the world in the same way as Muslim extremism is.”

Posted by: Rick | Jun 16 2007 14:31 utc | 10

some background on nato expansion explaining the current flap over “early warning” detection in poland. from Gowan’s book Global Gamble:

[295]
The form of the American campaign for enlargement is interesting because of its complete lack of credibility. We are led to believe that picking suitable entrants to NATO has nothing to do with geopolitics but is rather about which states of the region have achieved high enough standards of democracy and market economy to be worthy. Thus, during Secretary General Solana’s tour of the CEECs in 1996: ‘The secretary general will be making it clear that no decisions have been taken yet and that each applicant will be judged on individual merit,’ a Nato official informed us. ‘But it is clear that some countries are more ready to join than others and, obviously; they will be the first to join.’ Although Nato has not yet specified formal criteria for admitting members from the former Warsaw Pact, ‘it is no secret that countries judged to have made the most progress in democratic and economic reforms will be favoured . . . .’I
This is a brave attempt to pretend that NATO is a norm-based collective security body preoccupied above all by democratic concerns, rather than the strategic interests of its main states. But nobody can seriously believe that. In reality everyone knows the main lines of the division which is planned. Only the details on the exact boundaries are in doubt. The American-Germanled western alliance will be moving into Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary through incorporating these countries within NATO. At the same time, the Balkans and the former Soviet Union are to be excluded.
Of course, the exact modalities of Polish membership are not yet clear.2 But these are essentially insignificant details. They do not touch the main issues: namely that Poland will be integrated into NATO’s military capacity and Russia will be left outside.
The first consequence is an inevitable and major political blow to Russia which will tend almost certainly to be as permanent as the old division of Europe was. Russia will be excluded from significant legitimate political ,influence over the major political issues in the affairs of Central and Western Europe whenever the western powers want it to be excluded. Discussion and ‘deeision-making will take place first within NATO and only afterwards will Russia be consulted – or not – as the case may be. This is bound to be as unacceptable to any Russian government as it would be to any British govet’timent if the UK was placed in a similar situation by a security alliance stretching from Calais to the Urals. It simply makes a mockery of the notion of respecting Russia’s interests as an important European power – never Wind a Great Power.
But enlargement into Poland cannot be assumed to be of purely political significance. Even if Poland were not formally integrated into the NATO rnmand and even if there were no permanent stationing of either nuclear Weapons or non-Polish NATO troops on Polish territory, the military strate” balance of force profoundly changes for Russia as a result of Polish CWbership, because NATO acquires the ability to build the infrastructures [296] and co-ordination mechanisms to deploy force on Poland’s borders with Ukraine very rapidly in a crisis. As a result, the United States and Germany acquire the ability to use a far more potent form of coercive diplomacy against Russia, in the event that Russian and US interests clash in the zones around Russia’s borders. This again is inherent in any expansion of NATO into Poland. Soothing words about strategic partnerships, consultation, etc. between the US/NATO and Russia will not dispose of this fact.
In this connection it is important to recognise the transformation of the balance of
military power that has occurred since 1989. Today NATO has three times the military strength of Russia and the rest of the CIS combined. With Poland and the other CEECs joining, NATO’s factor of predominance will be four to one. This is also important when considering the rhetoric from Warsaw or from the Republican Right in the United States about the continued `Russian threat’: such language as an explanation for NATO expansion isjust not credible.
Thus Polish membership of NATO will absolutely inevitably repolarise European politics. Those who say Russia should welcome this enlargement because NATO is purely defensive and threatens nobody are either ignorant of international politics or mendacious, because they ignore the simple fact that Russia will face a mighty nuclear-armed military alliance on its own border (of the Kaliningrad triangle), an alliance whose leading powers are already engaged in a vigorous competition with Russia for influence over its Asian energy-and-minerals underbelly and over Ukraine.
Russia will, therefore, inevitably do what it can under any leadership to undermine this state of affairs. Of course, some argue that Russia will have to come to realise that it must accept the new realities, give up its ambitions to be a Great Power in European politics and accept that what counts now is strength as a capitalist economy. Along this line of argument, NATO expansion actually helps Russia by making her face these facts. But this is itself just the language of Machtpolitik and acknowledges that NATO enlargement is a deliberate assertion of power against Russia designed to make its elites sober up and face defeat. It is also a disingenuous argument because the quest for economic strength cannot be divorced from the quest for political influence, above all in Russia’s case, where a close relationship with Ukraine and the Caspian and Asian Republics can bring the new Russian capitals very handsome rewards.
Against this background, we can predict an effort by Russian governments to combat NATO’s expansion into Poland. This response might take a variety of forms and might develop at a variety of paces over the next decades. Russia could threaten Poland by stuffing Kaliningrad or Belarus with tactical nuclear weapons;3 it could repudiate the CFE; scrap its START commitments; 4 engage in wrecking tactics in the UN; turn the Baltic states into hostages; turn nasty on the Black Sea Fleet; turn its base on the Dnestr [297] into a threat to Moldova; embark upon a more activist policy to destabilise Ukraine or seek to expand its influence in the Balkans. None of thismay seriously threaten the security of Western Europe and it might even strengthen the currently very ragged cohesion of the Atlantic alliance and US leadership in western Europe. But it could cause misery for hundreds of millions of people in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union.
Particularly dangerous will be the onset of intense American-Russian rivalry within Ukraine. Russia has powerful levers for pursuing this struggle, not least its economic leverage over the Ukrainian economy, its links within Ukraine’s political elites and the crisis of Ukraine’s armed forces and state administration (not to speak of its appalling general economic crisis). At the same time, American hopes that it has a strong base of political support in Ukraine may prove unfounded and a deep internal crisis within that country could ensue.
Along the borders between those definitely in and those definitelyout, there lies a grey zone of states which may or may not be included. The French government would like Romania in, while other western governments disagree. The German government would favour Slovenia’s inclusion; others (notably in Italy) are far less enthusiastic. Slovakia is another grey zone country. The states left out will become a field of political rivalry between Russia and the West and, in the Balkans, between Turkey and Greece. Indeed, there are clear signs that such rivalry is already underway, in Bulgaria.
In any case, the results of this expansion can only be to increase insecurity for the excluded states by tilting the local balance of forces against Slovakia, Romania, and Bulgaria. The tendency will be for the excluded to fear anew local assertiveness from the included and to devote more of their extremely meagre resources to military budgets. Thus already overstretched budgets and poverty-stricken populations will be strained even further.

pretty prescient, written in ’98.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 16 2007 14:50 utc | 11

Rick
digging into that article you link to I find that the EastWest Institute has as its founder a certain John Edwin Mroz who is an active member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
What a surprise to find that this is the position of the CFR.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 16 2007 15:07 utc | 12

b real collection: Somalis yearn for Islamic rulers to return and tame the warlords

Local people, from teen-agers to elders, now talk of the brief period of rule by the Islamic Courts in wistful tones. For the first time in a generation, there was a level of security in the district that few had believed was possible. The various clan-based militias which terrorised the region, setting up checkpoints and settling disputes with guns, buried their arms.
Before the Courts’ arrival, there had been nine roadblocks along the route from Marere to Kismaayo, a port town roughly 100 miles away. Controlled by individual militia groups, they demanded money from everyone who passed. Under the Courts, the roadblocks disappeared.
The effect was immediate. The price of food in Marere fell as traders travelling from Kismaayo no longer had to factor in the cost of roadblocks. The cost of travelling between Marere and Kismaayo also fell – from 100,000 shillings to just 30,000. One commodity increased in price: cigarettes. The Courts banned smoking, along with the chewing of khat, a mild narcotic popular throughout Somalia. The price of a packet of cigarettes rose from 6,000 shillings to 20,000. But strict conservative policies like this began to erode much of the UIC’s popular support in Mogadishu.

“If the Islamic Courts came back, not just this area but the whole of Somalia will be safer,” said Mohammed Abdullahi Gure, chairman of Marere elders’ committee. “People used to fear the Islamic Courts. The government does not have the holy Koran so they do not fear them.”

Posted by: b | Jun 16 2007 17:05 utc | 13

Bush approval index and gasoline prices:
link
from Pollkatz, link.
Some correlational oddities – this one looks strong – are interesting, others just dumb. I can’t make up my mind about this one. What is the X factor? X factor is what causes measures to rise or lower or shunt about in tandem, without being properly identified as a cause.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 16 2007 18:03 utc | 14

bernhard, i have just sent you an email of consequence.

Posted by: conchita | Jun 16 2007 18:34 utc | 15

tee hee

Posted by: beq | Jun 16 2007 18:44 utc | 16

beq, lol, very very clever.
quite a line up of links opening this thread. i guess iran is as good as a done deal. from #1
The hawks in the room reported later that they were deeply unhappy — but not surprised — by Mr. Burns’s assessment
yeah, right. here’s the money quote…
Only a few weeks ago, one of Mr. Cheney’s top aides, David Wurmser, told conservative research groups and consulting firms in Washington that Mr. Cheney believed that Ms. Rice’s diplomatic strategy was failing, and that by next spring Mr. Bush might have to decide whether to take military action.
there’s our time frame. next spring.

Posted by: annie | Jun 16 2007 18:55 utc | 17

How many time-frames have we had so far, predicting the attack on Iran? I’m not succeeding in my search, but didn’t Uncle$ predict an attack early in April? The only reason I remember is that I was traveling that weekend.
I don’t know which insanity causes me more dread: CheneyCo ramping up the “reasons” in the MSM, or the possibility of another “pearl harbor” event on US soil to be blamed on the Iranians.

Posted by: catlady | Jun 16 2007 20:16 utc | 18

@beq:
The technology for that modest proposal is already up and running. Thermal depolymerization process, TDP, turns turkey guts into light crude. I wonder if one could use the end product for cooking oil in one of those turkey deep-fryers.

Posted by: catlady | Jun 16 2007 20:26 utc | 19

@ beq
Soylent Green Oil is people, I tell you! It’s people!

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 16 2007 21:03 utc | 20

i wrote to bernhard about this earlier, thinking it might be better if he posted so that it might be more conspiculously posted, but it looks as if he must have missed both my email and my comment alerting him to my email. so on second thought, i think it more important that the community know the purpose of my email to b.
r’giap is in the hospital in nantes recovering from a heart attack. he is in intensive care, but resting “comfortably.” as most know, i visited him in nantes a few years ago and we forged a strong friendship. during that visit i also spent considerable time with his colleague stefan who wrote to me today with this news. stef wrote after visiting him in hospital and said he found him much better today than yesterday. he also sent his phone number in his hospital room to me which i am happy to share with anyone who would like to call him (email me). i called r’giap and was relieved to find him sounding stronger than i expected. he is naturally concerned and a bit frightened. he said the doctors were being a bit oblique and did not yet know the extent of the damage. it seems the heart attack started as early as wednesday when he felt what he thought was heart burn. when he saw his physician on friday, he sent him to a cardiologist who rushed him to the hospital and performed surgery putting stints in a coronary artery. steph said they had him drugged up to kill the pain, but he sounded quite lucid to me.
steph said that if i wanted to email r’giap he would print it and bring it to the hospital. knowing steph i am certain he would extend that offer to anyone who writes. you can get his email by going to one of his posts or you can write to me and i will gladly send it as well as his home address if you would like to send something via snailmail.
i have known many people who have heart attacks and recovered to lead healthy lives, often healthier than before. not being the praying type, i am hoping with all my heart that he is as fortunate. sending out all good energy to a very, very good man.
still steel, r’giap, still steel.

Posted by: conchita | Jun 16 2007 22:07 utc | 21

thanks conchita, best wishes to r’giap
He seems like a tough ol’ bird, he’ll come through it OK

Posted by: jcairo | Jun 16 2007 22:24 utc | 22

@copeland
Yeah, Chuckie Heston was good for lines like that:
Its a madhouse, a madhouse
take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
From our cold dead hands

Posted by: jcairo | Jun 16 2007 22:44 utc | 23

Thank You Conchita for letting us know about r’giap.
The world needs more people with the good heart and good soul that r’giap has. His concern for others is obvious and shines through his posts, even through the smoke of his frustration as he expresses himself about our world and the human condition. I hope and pray things turn out all right for him.
Celebration will be in order upon r’giap’s return to Moon of Alabama.

Posted by: Rick | Jun 16 2007 22:46 utc | 24

Just wanted to jump on and say I was concerned and sending out good thoughts to our ol’ tovarich, r’giap. Godspeed and a healthy recovery. I will be contacting conchita about this most distressing news.
Namaste’ my friend r’giap, …Steel.
Also, catlady, It’s wasn’t me whom said that, I don’t think. Anyway, If I did, I have revised my thinking on it.
I now suspect that we will NOT be attacking Persia until C+ Augustus and his skewered boot licker’s, are leaving office, –if he leaves– or unless things get so hot for them with hearings, impeachment, what have you, here at home, that they need a false flag cover.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 22:54 utc | 25

hang in there rgiap

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 16 2007 23:19 utc | 26

Uncle$–I’m undoubtedly misremembering (as I often do). I do know that someone brought up some possible nasty thang that had the potential to mess up my flight plans for the weekend of April 7-8.
r’giap–be well! thinking of you

Posted by: catlady | Jun 16 2007 23:54 utc | 27

I also want to send my best wishes to r’giap, for gaining strength with each passing day, and for a complete recovery. Get well brother, I hope to be reading your words here again, once you feel well enough to write.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 17 2007 0:10 utc | 28

Best wishes to R’Giap. Bernhard has obviously said what he wishes to say to him. That is quite worrisome, as it follows Gilliard’s trajectory precisely.

Posted by: jj | Jun 17 2007 1:47 utc | 29

wishing you health and healing, r’giap.
xoxox

Posted by: fauxreal | Jun 17 2007 1:48 utc | 30

It’s unfortunate that Bernhard wouldn’t provide a separate thread for condolences, as I hate to pollute this one w/worldly matters…yikes what to do..should I post this on a non-related thread or what?
Okay, I won’t post any details, just recommend in strongest possible terms that anyone looking for impt. wkend reading should head on over to marc parent’s site (mparent7777-2.blogspot.com). New Sy Hersh article there. 2 articles down is one written for CFR – saying ok, US Elites have LOST Iraq War – now how to manage the defeat to protect Elite interests as much as possible. Finally 2 articles down is a discussion of Robt. Samuelson art. from WaPo for non-economist types – “It’s Official: The Crash of the U.S. Economy has begun”.
For the economically sophisticated around here, I have a question. Reading through that last article, it occurs to me that none of this economic madness would have been possible w/out the government allowing the Predators to switch from Pension Plans to 410(k)’s. Is that so? If they were on the hook for fixed payments to employees, they would have had an institutional stake in the health of the economy & market. Further, by forcing employees into the market & calling it their pensions, they deliberately created a class of indentured stooges so they could pump up the market & make off w/all the money before it collapses upon the suckers they forced to be standing around holding the empty bags.

Posted by: jj | Jun 17 2007 2:04 utc | 31

heal, man, heal!

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 17 2007 3:45 utc | 32

stay strong, r’giap! take care that you recover in full & don’t rush it.

Posted by: b real | Jun 17 2007 4:03 utc | 33

r’giap,
I’ve been worried about you and wondering about your absence the last few days. I was actually going to post a note tomorrow to see if you were OK. I am so sorry that you have been down and out with something so serious. I am not a religious person, but I do believe that good thoughts, particularly when multiplied, can make a difference. Please know that I will keep you in my thoughts until I hear you are recovered and I will be beaming as many good thoughts as I can in your general direction…
Stay strong, and stay calm. And know that you are missed.
Bea

Posted by: Bea | Jun 17 2007 4:30 utc | 34

oh heavens! twice in one day!

Posted by: annie | Jun 17 2007 5:14 utc | 36

best wishes for a speedy recovery rgiap, you stalinist fruitcake you.

Posted by: ran | Jun 17 2007 6:04 utc | 37

@jj:
unfortunately, i think you nailed it with the comment about the 401k plans. of course, they already fleeced the sheeple on the savings-n-loan crash, the dotcom crash, the upcoming housing crash….baaaaahhhhh baaaahhhh
as sarah mclachlan said (in a different context): “hold on, hold on to yourself; this is gonna hurt like hell”

Posted by: catlady | Jun 17 2007 6:45 utc | 38

the enron collapse, the trillions lost in Iraq….and yet, we’re still _just_ comfortably numb enough to wait for the next election ha ha ha ha ha

Posted by: catlady | Jun 17 2007 6:48 utc | 39

Seymour M. Hersh interview with Maj.Gen. Tabuga who wrote the first report on Abu Graibh: The General’s Report

I learned from Taguba that the first wave of materials included descriptions of the sexual humiliation of a father with his son, who were both detainees. Several of these images, including one of an Iraqi woman detainee baring her breasts, have since surfaced; others have not. (Taguba’s report noted that photographs and videos were being held by the C.I.D. because of ongoing criminal investigations and their “extremely sensitive nature.”) Taguba said that he saw “a video of a male American soldier in uniform sodomizing a female detainee.” The video was not made public in any of the subsequent court proceedings, nor has there been any public government mention of it. Such images would have added an even more inflammatory element to the outcry over Abu Ghraib. “It’s bad enough that there were photographs of Arab men wearing women’s panties,” Taguba said.

Taguba retired in January, 2007, after thirty-four years of active service, and finally agreed to talk to me about his investigation of Abu Ghraib and what he believed were the serious misrepresentations by officials that followed. “From what I knew, troops just don’t take it upon themselves to initiate what they did without any form of knowledge of the higher-ups,” Taguba told me. His orders were clear, however: he was to investigate only the military police at Abu Ghraib, and not those above them in the chain of command. “These M.P. troops were not that creative,” he said. “Somebody was giving them guidance, but I was legally prevented from further investigation into higher authority. I was limited to a box.”

Taguba came to believe that Lieutenant General Sanchez, the Army commander in Iraq, and some of the generals assigned to the military headquarters in Baghdad had extensive knowledge of the abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib even before Joseph Darby came forward with the CD. Taguba was aware that in the fall of 2003—when much of the abuse took place—Sanchez routinely visited the prison, and witnessed at least one interrogation. According to Taguba, “Sanchez knew exactly what was going on.”

Posted by: b | Jun 17 2007 6:52 utc | 40

Radical Group Pulls In Sunnis As Lebanon’s Muslims Polarize

The short trip up the narrow concrete steps to their apartment made clear what the family looked for in a leader. Their son’s thickly bearded face was first, scowling from a photocopied sheet declaring him a martyr. An image of Saad Hariri and Siniora followed, next to a poster of Saddam Hussein with sunlit clouds surrounding his head. “God bless Osama bin Laden,” someone had scrawled one flight up.

Posted by: b | Jun 17 2007 7:10 utc | 41

I just missed conchita’s comment about r’giap yesterday. I am so sorry and channeling good stuff to you comrade.
stay steel.

Posted by: beq | Jun 17 2007 12:42 utc | 42

to everyone who has written wishing r’giap well, just wanted to let you know that i have copied your comments into an email to him which stephan will print out and bring to the hospital. he is lying there in icu – just him and lots of wires and tubes and monitors – i know it will make him smile and give him heart to know we are all rooting for him. i’ll be calling him again today and will post updates on how he is coming along. hopefully, soon he will be able to write a comment on his laptop (so glad we gave this to him because he has it with him and has his itunes playing classical) and steph can take to a hotspot and send his thoughts to us.

Posted by: conchita | Jun 17 2007 14:39 utc | 43

Conchita, thank you for letting us know, and please keep us informed about further developments if you can. r’giap has my best wishes.

Posted by: Alamet | Jun 17 2007 14:54 utc | 44

from Ali A. Allawi, The Occupation of Iraq, on the historic factionalism in iraq. adds more support to the claim the US did not create sectarian animus, but idiocy of occupation made a bad situation worse:

If any single person has come close to unlocking the secrets of the Iraqi character, it is Ali al-Wardi (1913-95). His works on the social psychology of Iraqis and his forays into Iraqi social history made him an eminent – and controversial figure – in his own time. He had frequent brushes with the authorities, especially since his conclusions did not mesh with the official versions of Iraq’s history that successive regimes were spinning. His work, however, was overlooked or even dismissed by western academics and experts on the country. In many respects, his writings on the social history of Iraq and his generalisations on the social pathologies of Iraqis did not match western standards of academic scholarship, but this did not detract in any fundamental sense from their profundity and wisdom. No one of consequence in the US administration, or even in that of its ally, Britain, consulted what alWardi had spent decades analysing and assessing. His research, his anecdotal style of writing, laced as it was with recollections of farcical and curious [13] episodes in Iraq’s social history, was simply ignored. His work did not fit into any category of what was considered acceptable thinking in the west, neither for those who advocated war in the interest of universalising the fruits of democracy nor for those who insisted on the preservation of the balance of power or Arab `exceptionalism; He was simply too awkward, too eclectic, in his method to have been taken seriously as an authority on Iraq, Iraqis and `Iraginess:
Ali al-Wardi was born into a well-known family of merchants and ulema (religious scholars) in Kadhimain, Iraq. In Kadhimain life revolved around the twin shrines of the seventh and ninth Imams of the Shi’a, which received pilgrims from all over the Muslim world. His early life seems to have been one of considerable hardship and deprivations. Nevertheless, he managed to gain entry to the prestigious American University of Beirut, and went on to receive his Master’s and PhD degrees in sociology from the University of Texas in 1950. He returned to Iraq where he joined the faculty of Baghdad University, and rose to become the leading figure in its sociology and social history department.
Ali al-Wardi was a prolific writer. His most notable work was the monumental, multi-volume social history of modern Iraq, misleadingly entitled Sociological Glimpses from the Modern History of Iraq, and he summarised the results of his life-long enquiry into the roots of Iraqi society in a volume entitled Studies in the Nature of Iraqi Society. Ali al-Wardi rejected the statistically based methodology of modern, mainly Anglo-American, social science, which he found inappropriate for Iraq’s conditions. Rather, his methodology followed Max Weber, as he openly admits, but he may have been equally influenced by his readings of the Muslim world’s greatest philosopher of history, Ibn Khaldun, whom he called `the best of references: It is probably from Ibn Khaldun that he drew his inspirations for his major insight into the nature of Iraqi society, namely the pervasive dichotomy between the city, representing urban civilised values, and the steppes, representing the prevalence of nomadic, tribal values.
Ali al-Wardi insisted that the process of modernisation and urbanisation was skin deep in Iraq, and that tribal values, born of the experience of surviving in the harsh environment of the desert, continued to hold sway for the vast majority of the country’s inhabitants. He claimed that the fragility of Civilised values in Iraq was partly a response to the frequent invasions that devastated the country. Under such circumstances, Iraq would rapidly shed its civilised veneer and revert to the culture and values of tribal nomadism. The sense of the impermanence of the source of their values drove Iraqis into developing their noted schizoid qualities. The desert could actually or metaphorically encroach on the city, while at the same time, the city could tame the desert by harnessing the country’s waters and cultivating its soil. The [14] second key finding of al-Wardi was that Iraqis were ambivalent about the wellsprings of their value systems, which, given the stark contrast between town and desert, obliged them to accommodate conflicting and contradictory perspectives within their persons. The advance of modernity did not decisively supplant one with the other, but merely camouflaged this character bifurcation more adroitly. (The ebb and flow of urban/desert values continued in another manifestation during the last decade of the Ba’athist rule in Iraq, when the values of the tribe were given decisive ascendancy by the regime and became the norm for society.)
This cultural ambivalence has had serious consequences. The state, which is a defining feature of advancing civilisations, stands in contrast to tribal solidarity as an organising principle. The latter celebrates the tribe as the repository of virtues. At the personal level this translates to bigotry, a proneness to disputation and violence, and an exaggerated concern with lineage and status. The tribesman sees the state as a usurper and exploiter, but this has not stopped the tribal migrant to the city from seeking employment in the government as a highly desirable end in itself. The tribesman disdains craftsmanship and most professions, and prefers the prestige of a governmental post to the perceived inferiority of the tradesman’s lot. The lackadaisical attitudes to property rights and the rule of law stand in contrast to the perceived glory of seizing property and imposing one’s will through force or fear. The latter are eminently tribal traits that persist, even in a modern setting.
The sense of a conflict-strewn society permeates the work of al-Wardi: tribe versus tribe; tribe versus government; intra-urban violence between neighbourhoods; tribe versus town; town versus town; town versus government. The religious divide in society between Shi’a and Sunni also manifests itself in the form of mutual antagonism; however, al-Wardi does not relate this to any innate dogmatic hostility between the sects but sees it as an expression of the tendency of social units and groups in Iraq to divide into antagonistic camps. The rivalries between the Ottomans and the Safavids for control over Iraq exacerbated the Sunni/Shi’a divide, and this fissiparous antipathy continued in different forms into modern times. Ali al-Wardi linked Shi’ism to the south of Iraq, and considered it an urban phenomenon, or at least mostly prevalent in settled populations. Sunnism in Iraq, however, was associated with the prevalence of nomadism and tribalism, and was mainly to be found in the steppes of northwest Iraq. The centre of the country was a stronghold of moderate Sunnism, especially Sufism.
The potential social glue of the Islamic faith, when transposed to the toxic inheritance of the history of the country, became an instrument of control, dispossession and marginalisation. Each episode in Islamic history, instead of forming a shared expression of a common heritage, became infused with a factional perspective and added to the intensity of societal divisions. Iraq was imperfectly modernised, and there remained the ever-present contradictions between cultural values and traits acquired in the alleyways of towns or the hardscrabble life of remote villages, and the imported ideas that accompanied the modernisation process. Transformation of society was a painfully slow process, subject to frequent setbacks and reversals, with old patterns of behaviour often returning to the ascendancy. Here it should be noted that Al-Wardi saw democracy and democratic values always as social rather than political virtues.
Ali al-Wardi invented a new type of sociology, which was that of a fragmented social order interacting within the framework of a tumultuous historic legacy. It emphasised the disjointed nature of Iraqi society, held together by geographic imperatives of coexistence in the same space rather than a common sense of shared history or purpose. This underlying scepticism about the prospects of a quick reform of Iraqi society made him an unacceptable figure to those who proposed to ‘re-engineer’ the country according to the prevailing ideology. That does not necessarily mean that he took a fatalistic position regarding the possibilities of change, rather that he insisted that no social or political project could succeed if it did not take a realistic account of the country’s inheritance. In the end, he did come out in favour of a special variety of democracy, one that was based on both recognition of the country’s diversity and proportional representation. `The people of Iraq are divided against themselves and their sectarian, ethnic and tribal struggles exceed those of any other Arab people . . . . There is no way of resolving this condition better than adopting a democratic system, where each group can participate in power according to its proportional number [author’s italics]:
The importance of Ali al-Wardi’s thesis lies specifically in the possibility that it might have provided a counterbalance to the range of ill-considered and ahistorical assessments of Iraq that governed the planning for the war and its aftermath. Those who drew their lessons from their own engagement with Iraq, notably the British, could have provided the only other alternative reading of Iraq. But their perspective was also flawed, marred as it was by a fear of contradicting the reigning orthodoxies in Washington once the decision to go to war appeared to gather an irreversible momentum. A few voices were raised to remind people of the celebrated 1920 Uprising against British rule as a possible indicator of how Iraqis would respond to occupation.
The only lesson drawn from that uprising, which seemed to have appreciative audiences in both the State Department and the Foreign Office, was that an authoritarian minority, preferably drawn from the military, should rule the country. This argument, of course, never got a serious hearing and was summarily brushed aside. It could not withstand the withering contempt from the messianic advocates of full-blown democracy as a precondition for the broader changes to be effected in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 17 2007 15:57 utc | 45

interesting too that the divers tribal culture detained modernization. in some of the old 40s-60s modernization, like Daniel Lerner-The Passing of Traditional Society, iraq studies were notoriously difficult given the hostile xenophobia of iraq sunni.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 17 2007 16:02 utc | 46

(i sent you an e mail conchita.)
include in the mails:
R giap. be strong, we fight for you from a distance – Noirette.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 17 2007 16:06 utc | 47

Seems Mr A Allawi’s main criticism is that the CPA didn’t carry out the policies of de-Baathification, privatization, democratization, etc far enough. Seems his solution to Iraq’s sectarian animus was to break it down even more than it was. Not that far from what all the formally exiled officials (Chalabi, the other Allawi etc.) seem to be infected with — after living for decades in the secular west. Reeks of elitism.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 17 2007 19:36 utc | 48

Ahmed Rashid, a Pakistani journalist, on Musharraf and DC:
Quite a check off of similarities with Palestine – Cheney betting on the wrong man;
America’s Bad Deal With Musharraf, Going Down in Flames

Pakistan is on the brink of disaster, and the Bush administration is continuing to back the man who dragged it there. As President Pervez Musharraf fights off the most serious challenge to his eight-year dictatorship, the United States is supporting him to the hilt. The message to the Pakistani public is clear: To the Bush White House, the war on terrorism tops everything, and that includes democracy.

The problem is exacerbated by a dramatic drop-off in U.S. expertise on Pakistan. Retired American officials say that, for the first time in U.S. history, nobody with serious Pakistan experience is working in the South Asia bureau of the State Department, on State’s policy planning staff, on the National Security Council staff or even in Vice President Cheney’s office. Anne W. Patterson, the new U.S. ambassador to Islamabad, is an expert on Latin American “drugs and thugs”; Richard A. Boucher, the assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asian affairs, is a former department spokesman who served three tours in Hong Kong and China but never was posted in South Asia. “They know nothing of Pakistan,” a former senior U.S. diplomat said.
Current and past U.S. officials tell me that Pakistan policy is essentially being run from Cheney’s office. The vice president, they say, is close to Musharraf and refuses to brook any U.S. criticism of him.

A secretary of state with vision — a James Baker or a Madeleine Albright — could have recognized that Musharraf’s time is up. Instead, we have Rice and Boucher and Cheney, who — just as in Iraq — can only reinforce a failed policy. Washington is doing itself no favors by serving as Musharraf’s enabler. Indeed, the Bush administration’s policy of sticking by Musharraf is fast becoming eerily reminiscent of the Carter administration’s policy of sticking by the shah of Iran.

Posted by: b | Jun 17 2007 20:04 utc | 49

Iraq Contractors Face Growing Parallel War

Private security companies, funded by billions of dollars in U.S. military and State Department contracts, are fighting insurgents on a widening scale in Iraq, enduring daily attacks, returning fire and taking hundreds of casualties that have been underreported and sometimes concealed, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials and company representatives.
While the military has built up troops in an ongoing campaign to secure Baghdad, the security companies, out of public view, have been engaged in a parallel surge, boosting manpower, adding expensive armor and stepping up evasive action as attacks increase, the officials and company representatives said. One in seven supply convoys protected by private forces has come under attack this year, according to previously unreleased statistics; one security company reported nearly 300 “hostile actions” in the first four months.

More at the link, sourced to the Washington Post.

Posted by: Alamet | Jun 17 2007 23:07 utc | 50

From the Voices of Iraq:
Iraqi police receive nine unknown bodies from U.S. forces

The al-Aamil neighborhood police station in western Baghdad received nine unidentified bodies from U.S. forces on Sunday, an Iraqi police source said.
“The bodies, which showed signs of having been tortured, were of civilians shot in the head,” the source, who did not want his name mentioned, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI).
The security source did not say who killed the civilians, or the U.S. forces’ relationship to the bodies.

U.S. copters raid northeastern Baghdad, leave casualties

At least four civilians were killed and 18 others wounded on Saturday morning when U.S. copters dropped bombs onto a residential area in northeastern Baghdad, local residents said.
(snip)

U.S. warplanes raid southern Kut, wound five

U.S. warplanes dropped cluster bombs on southern Kut, 180 km southeast of Baghdad, wounding five civilians, local residents said on Saturday.
“U.S. warplanes flew over Jihad neighborhood in southern Kut, late last night, and dropped cluster bombs on the area, wounding five civilians,” an eyewitness told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI).
Another eyewitness told VOI “the area was calm and witnessed no armed appearances prior to the U.S. bombing last night.”
(snip)

Posted by: Alamet | Jun 17 2007 23:16 utc | 51

Seems Mr A Allawi’s main criticism is that the CPA didn’t carry out the policies of de-Baathification, privatization, democratization, etc far enough.
no. actually, not.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 2:52 utc | 52

Found this story from a link on Prison Planet:
Negroponte behind Samarra blast

Posted by: Rick | Jun 18 2007 4:21 utc | 53

re:#53
And you ever doubted that Rick?
It’s the same dark game, different country only a decades later. The El Salvador option in Iraq. “The boys are back in town again”… (w/apologies to Thin Lizzy) and they are trying to recapture their earlier alleged “success story” In Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, Uruguay, Chile and Argentina. To create stability through structural chaos.
They thrive on it. With chaos comes opportunities. With great chaos, comes great opportunities.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 18 2007 5:50 utc | 54

RE#52
From The Washington Post’s Book World/washingtonpost.com
Reviewed by Rajiv Chandrasekaran

In all of the back-and-forth, nobody of any stature has suggested that Bremer’s approach toward the Baathists was too soft. But now, in a compelling, detailed history of the occupation, Iraq’s first postwar civilian defense minister makes just that argument. In the first major account from an Iraqi insider, Ali A. Allawi contends in The Occupation of Iraq that one of Washington’s principal mistakes was that Bremer’s Coalition Provisional Authority did not go far enough in dismantling the Baathist structure of Iraq’s bureaucracy.
“The CPA did not demolish the state that it had inherited and then start to rebuild it along the lines that it prescribed,” Allawi writes. “The unwillingness to treat the Ba’ath legacy for what it was — a totalitarian state with a privileged elite — and therefore in need of a radical overhaul, made the CPA reforms essentially tentative and nominal. It was as if a huge, decrepit building had been struck unevenly by a demolition ball that succeeded in inflicting only minor damage to the edifice.”
Saying that Bremer didn’t go far enough is a striking and controversial argument. Allawi — a former banker who left Iraq to study at MIT in 1964, lived in exile until 2003, and later served as the country’s postwar finance minister — maintains that Bremer’s “blunderbuss approach” to de-Baathification was too focused on high-ranking officials; Allawi laments that Bremer’s occupation government did not do enough to root out Baathists and their network of sympathizers from important mid-level positions in the government. Allawi’s hard-line views on de-Baathification aren’t shared by many of the Americans who have been involved in crafting Iraq policy. There’s a growing consensus, even at the White House, that Bremer’s policy needlessly alienated anxious Sunnis and helped fuel the insurgency.
[…] Allawi wishes the Americans had tinkered with more, not less. It wasn’t just de-Baathification that he thinks was too timid; he contends that the CPA should have overhauled state-owned businesses by pushing for more free-market reforms. It is understandable that former exiles such as Allawi would seek an even more aggressive overhaul of Iraq’s government, but it’s difficult to imagine that many Iraqis who stayed put during the Baath tyranny would have tolerated an American occupation that sought to do so.
Indeed, Allawi’s lament is shared by many former Iraqi exiles who returned to their country after Hussein’s fall, dreaming of modernizing their homeland and sharing all they had gleaned in their years overseas.

Whats wrong with these exiles, is they’re so far out of touch with their native culture, they suffer from the same “they want to be like us” myopia the neo-cons do. Because they’ve become like us. And if you think thats advocating “backwardness” then look what we, and the exiles, have been doing to them for the last 4-8 years under the name of “enlightenment”.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 18 2007 6:46 utc | 55

well said uncle

Posted by: annie | Jun 18 2007 8:40 utc | 56

“…adds more support to the claim the US did not create sectarian animus,…”
the historic cultural fault lines among the inhabitants of the Churchillian artifice that is Iraq are inarguably facts
“…but idiocy of occupation made a bad situation worse”
implies competent occupiers would have made a bad situation not worse, but sunshine, lollipops, rainbows and everything
if not, then
despite the best efforts of a well meaning competent occupation force trying to improve things, the victims of the illegal occupation just aren’t civilized enough to know when they’ve had a good thing shoved up their collective wazoo because their fearless leader was apparently a threat, not just to them (although apparently by many accounts, them people were living together in relative peace despite this), but to the entire planet.
Churchill was a great man, he knew them people to be recalcitrant in the 1920s, that’s why he gassed them to save them from the Turks (or whomever).

Posted by: jcairo | Jun 18 2007 12:22 utc | 57

Let me add my wishes for a quick and complete recovery for RGiap.
Then too there is this bit of unsurprising news the U.S. congress from the Sibel Edmonds web-site.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 18 2007 12:32 utc | 58

freier-markt uber alles und Komfort macht frei

Posted by: jcairo | Jun 18 2007 12:33 utc | 59

Uncle #41,
The link was posted solely for information with a “hat tip” to Prison Planet; you and anyone else can take it or leave it. The linked article is on an Iranian based site, which is self-evident. It was posted without personal comment.
Now I am asked by Uncle if I doubted it or not. For the record, I question every article I read and every comment here at Moon, including my own. My guess is that this particular article leaves plenty of room for doubt. That is not to say that the U.S. did not have an instrumental role in the Samarra blast. But for Negroponte to openly ask for top Iraqi government officials to resign while promising lower officials promotions seems simplistic. I don’t know the facts of what happened, even after reading this article.
And what’s wrong with doubt and questioning things? I don’t claim to know all the answers in this world, or even of the particulars regarding the inner workings, thoughts or actions of those in this current U.S. administration. I just know for sure the (rotten) fruits of their labors.
Not many in this world are as fortunate to obtain and hold knowledge free of doubt as many here at Moon frequently proclaim. And if anyone’s knowledge is so complete and so sure, then I beg of you to get on the next flight to anywhere in the Middle East and work with each of the many parties of these nations in peril, and solve the peoples’ problems. You, of course, would know of the best location to start, who to talk to, and just what to say to get into each one’s company and graces. And I am sure with the right knowledge of what attack is coming and when, the personal risks that so often prove catastrophic to others would be minimal.

Posted by: Rick | Jun 18 2007 13:02 utc | 60

completely OT for a change – opinions on clotheslines, hanging laundry to dry in your backyard, like the working-class
just curious

Clotheslines: Righteous or declasse
Judging by the response of the woman interviewed, a more apt headline would have been – Clotheslines: Bane of the ignorant and self absorbed. Harsh words, you say? Bear with me.
“I don’t want to see people’s dirty laundry. We can’t be told what to do.”, says the female upper-class representative.
Laundry is clean, not dirty, when hung to dry by “the working-class.”
It would seem the “upper-class” is either hanging dirty clothes to get that “outdoor fresh scent” (perhaps in the rain to pre-soak) before washing and drying in indoor machines, or servants really are washing the dirty rags on the line and leaving them to dry – which could be very green with the right soap.
Given the opinion of this woman and the chair of the OHBA, I doubt it is the latter. Neither would seem to have that much foresight.
Apparently, wealthy neighbours are calling the interviewee to brag of eco-friendliness, imploring her to view the “dirty laundry” they’ve hung and to get with the program or risk not being chic.
No one is telling this woman she has to look at the laundry drying for free, or that her servants must hang hers outside.
She, however, has no problem telling others what they can do in their own back yards as she is obviously “master of her domain” and all she surveys.
Despite what the fortunately unidentified woman might believe about herself, her lot in life ends where her lot does – at the fence around her husband’s property.
If she wants to tell all the poor souls that border her domain what they can reasonably do with theirs, she should move from a public city to a gated community and crush all opposition to become chair of the board.

Posted by: jcairo | Jun 18 2007 13:25 utc | 61

jeffrey gettleman’s NYT rpt on the ogaden region in ethiopia is now out. he & two other journalists were detained by & had their equipment confiscated by ethiopian forces for some five days last month in an attempt to prevent outside press reports on the subject
In Ethiopian desert, horrors of a hidden war

IN THE OGADEN DESERT, Ethiopia: The rebels march 300 strong across the crunchy earth, young men with dreadlocks and AK-47s slung over their shoulders.
Often when they pass through a village, the entire village lines up, one sunken cheekbone to the next, to squint at them.
“May Allah bring you victory,” one woman whispered.
This is the Ogaden, a corner of Ethiopia that the urbane officials in Addis Ababa, the capital, would rather outsiders never see. It is the epicenter of a separatist war in which impoverished nomads are fighting one of the biggest armies in Africa.
What goes on here seems to be starkly different from the carefully-constructed image that Ethiopia – a country that America increasingly relies on to fight militant Islam in the Horn of Africa – tries to project.
In village after village, people said they had been brutalized by government troops. They described a widespread and longstanding reign of terror, with Ethiopian soldiers gang-raping women, burning down huts and killing civilians at will.
It is the same military that the American government helps train and equip – and provides with prized intelligence.

Posted by: b real | Jun 18 2007 14:22 utc | 62

Andrew J. Bacevich has a good one in LAT: More troops, more troublesCandidates who call for beefing up our armed forces to deter terrorism show a profound misunderstanding of the Mideast.

The Democrats vying to succeed George W. Bush think so. Presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama all promise, if elected, to expand our land forces. Clinton has declared it “past time to increase the end-strength of the Army and Marines.” Edwards calls for a “substantial increase.” Obama offers hard numbers: His program specifies the addition of 92,000 soldiers.
Leading Republicans concur. John McCain has long advocated a bigger Army. Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney are now chiming in. Giuliani wants to expand the Army with an additional 10 combat brigades. Romney says that “at least 100,000” more troops are needed.
This bipartisan consensus — which even includes Bush, who recently unveiled his own five-year plan to enlarge the Army and Marine Corps — illustrates the inability or refusal of the political class to grasp the true nature of our post-9/11 foreign policy crisis.

In fact, this enthusiasm for putting more Americans in uniform (and for increasing overall military spending) reflects the persistence of a second consensus to which leading Democrats and Republicans alike stubbornly subscribe.
This second consensus consists of two elements. According to the first element, the only way to win the so-called global war on terrorism, thereby precluding another 9/11, is to “fix” whatever ails the Islamic world. According to the second element, the United States possesses the wherewithal to effect just such a transformation.

The underlying problem is that the basic orientation of U.S. policy since 9/11 has been flat wrong. Bush’s conception of waging an open-ended global “war” to eliminate terrorism has failed, disastrously and irredeemably. Simply trying harder — no matter how many more soldiers we recruit and no matter how many more Muslim countries we invade and “liberate” — will not reverse that failure. More meddling will evoke more hatred.

Posted by: b | Jun 18 2007 14:44 utc | 63

i’m not done with the book, but allawi’s take on iraq is the assessment of intractable catastrophe resulting from unintended consequences of occupation. the anomie and brutalization of the people living in mesopotamia precludes any obvious cure for very deep social pathologies.
among the more revolting symptoms of orientalism is the transvaluation of experience by the west upon arab society. allawi criticizes the neoliberal and democratizing zealotry of occupation on these grounds. of course, jcairo, another transvaluation occurs among smug “leftists” who insist that, left alone, iraqis would have been just fine (saddam forever!)–a view requiring a chauvinistic generalization of the many people called “iraqi” and a cavalier dismissal of historical evidence of woe in the region.
and i have certainly never said churchill was the creator of these pathologies. there have been many agents throughout history responsible for this calamity.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 15:38 utc | 64

left alone, iraqis would have been just fine (saddam forever!)
w/o the direct protection of the u.s. (quashing the uprising following the earlier invasion; sanctions; etc), saddam would have been gone long ago.

Posted by: b real | Jun 18 2007 15:58 utc | 65

that’s possible, you’re right. in any case it seems, civil warx10.
if we put our heads together and imagine the most preferred response, it would likely be a legitimate multilateral intervention of bush I justified by staes-rights principle backed by u.n. security c. resolutions. ayhkarumba (i opposed such intervention back in the day). ok, anyway. diplomacy was an iffy option, even though saddam two weeks before kuwait liberation said he’d withdraw. probably a no, there. support kuwaiti resistance? well, alsabbah is a dictator and we couldn’t support overthrow of a fine dictator spreading king bashing throughout the region. sanctions? jesus christus. horrible. as we know. no. uhm…the military option and support of shia/kurd insurrection. yup.
oh man, b real. what a bitch. sort of a full circle thingy i’m not any happier w/ than you.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 16:29 utc | 66

and let’s face it, among the “realists'” objections to overthrow, aside from the fear of iranian-led shia iraq, was the concern for intractable civil war. well, whaddya know.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 16:35 utc | 67

un petit r’giap update. i spoke with him again yesterday as did noirette and i think i will let her words do the heavy lifting:

OK I just called him – briefly – I only said, it is Noirette, we are all from Alabama Moon behind you and fight the good fight…he knew who I was and understood all and said
***bless you all. ***
Nurses / docs were hovering, as far as I could judge from background noises.
First they would not put me thru. Anyway…
He sounded very up on things, not that one would expect different. He was saved in the nick of time as he explained.
He sounded good – his voice was strong – that can be judged even with a phone call with a ‘stranger’…
normal, fluid, his intellect sharp, his conversation to the point, as one would expect…
his Aussie accent ..burrr..surprised me
all the best, Noirette.
PS. he really sounded so on the ball, it was hard to imagine dire health threats…
that doesn’t means anything about state of heart, etc.

when i spoke with him he told me stephan had brought print outs of everyone’s well wishes and i know they brightened his spirits. i don’t think he will be commenting immediately as they have him flat on his back and hooked up to all kinds of wires and tubes. he is still waiting for the doctors to present a prognosis and they were either observing the sabbath yesterday or taking it one day at a time.
on a different but related note, i went to a screening of michael moore’s newest – “SiCKO” – last night. a very powerful film that had most of the audience wet-faced with tears. i found myself wishing i had been born in another country and very happy that r’giap is in the good hands of the french. i can’t recommend this film enough. moore did a q&a after the screening and he joked that the insurance industry hasn’t retaliated yet because they are probably feeling confident that couples won’t say “hey, honey, let’s go see that healthcare documentary tonight.” however, the fact that one of the weinstein brothers is lobbying to open it in twice as many theatres as they did f-911 says that they think they have an important and box office worthy film on their hands. i have had less than pleasant moments with moore when i produced a music video he directed, but in this case i could not applaud him more. it could possibly generate the ground swell we have all been hoping for – (as he shared) this is more his purpose for making the film than just taking down the insurance companies. the audience at this screening was composed of film production professionals and an interesting thing he shared that might not be discussed with other audiences was how deeply entrenched the insurance industry is in the media. there is an insurance coverage every film has to have called “e&o” – errors and ommissions – in order for a theatre to be willing to show the film. for sicko they could not get an insurance company to give them e&o coverage until they finally found one democrat owned insurance company in ohio who was willing to do it. however, given the topic of the film there was concern about the future viability of the company and they had to pay $750,000 in premiums. to give a sense of what that means, the e&o premiums on f911 were something aroiund $14,000.
and back to r’giap, if you are reading about this for the first time, if you would like to reach out to him, you can either find one of his old comments to get his email address or email me and i will be happy to send it to you and/or the his phone number at the hospital. his colleague stephan will print out emails and comments here and bring them to him. as i learn more i will be posting and i hope if others are in touch with him, they will do the same.

Posted by: conchita | Jun 18 2007 17:16 utc | 68

thanks conchita & noirette for the update & personal contact on our behalf.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 18 2007 17:43 utc | 69

p.s. my mail is goofed up & cannot send through moa, so my personal regards & solidarity will have to remain telepathic.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 18 2007 17:50 utc | 70

is there a psychiatrist in the house? or maybe an optician? that’s my initial reaction when reading this quote on the secrecy news blog
Senate Seeks Reports on Energy Security, Nuclear Weapons Policy

A bipartisan bill introduced in the Senate would require the Director of National Intelligence to prepare an unclassified report on energy security.
“American dependence on foreign oil has made our Nation less safe,” said Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) in an introductory statement. “Oil revenues have provided income for dangerous rogue states, they have sparked bloody civil wars, and they have even provided funding for terrorism.

yes, dear god, finally!! keep talking democratic senator wyden

“In a sickening phenomenon that I call the terror tax, every time that Americans drive their cars down to the gas station and fill up at the pump, the reality is that a portion of that money is then turned over to foreign governments that ‘backdoor’ it over to Islamist extremists, who use that money to perpetuate terrorism and hate.”

fuck

Posted by: b real | Jun 18 2007 18:54 utc | 71

Thanks, Conchita & Noirette for the update. Now someone just has to convince Barkeep to devote a thread to it 🙂
Mike Moore update – Amy Goodman features him today. I’m so relieved he focused on Insurance Industry. I was afraid he would merely focus on poor care, leaving them even free to take over & destroy absolutely everything, which is what xDems. intend. At end of prog. Amy asks him what most surprised him. He said that in England Drs. pay a fn. of health of patients – a modern update of ancient Chinese who only paid their doctors when healthy, since when ill it meant their doctor had screwed up!

Posted by: jj | Jun 18 2007 19:05 utc | 72

my mail is goofed up
do you want a gmail account? I can invite you if you like. from any working email send me a note.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 18 2007 19:18 utc | 73

“saddam forever” “smug leftists” – expected reflexive response
“At the end of World War I, the League of Nations granted the area to the United Kingdom as a mandate. It (Britain) formed three former Ottoman vilayets (regions): Mosul, Baghdad, and Basra into a single country.” – AKA Iraq
“As the President of the Air Council, he (Churchill) advocated the use of poison gas against tribesmen revolting in what was soon to become Iraq. According to Churchill:” I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes … to spread a lively terror”.”
It is amazing how someone can pontificate about the history of a people or region and how the US would have saved them from themselves (if only the planners of the illegal invasion were competent – sloth emits a misty eyed sigh) – without actually knowing any history.
Except, of course, for that gleaned from apologists for empire as it supports a dearly held belief of…
sunshine, lollipops, rainbows and everything are left behind by the US military

Posted by: jcairo | Jun 18 2007 20:23 utc | 74

jcairo
I don’t know what your problem is, i really don’t. you always object to what i post, but don’t specify what the problem is. i haven’t claimed at all no one knew the history. many of course did but were sidelined by ideologues. i don’t see how this makes me an apologist of “empire.” if by apologist you mean anyone who claims saddam forever is a bad policy, then yeah for your sake, i’m an apologist.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 20:57 utc | 75

jcairo
I suppose it might be nice for once if a good “leftist” like yourself can justify u.s. and western nonintervention in iraq. start w/ the invasion of kuwait. i’d like to hear it.
and “the u.s. murdered hondurans” is too oblique. you can do better.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 21:01 utc | 76

your link is idiotic, imo. it’s a sort of “leftism” anchored to a strategically limited regression of horrors proving the interests of men often include genocide perpetrated by white americans, therefore no agency by white male americans is legitimate. this is a bit of casuistry that would require that b, for example, is barred from offering advice about u.s. politics because his gpa was in the luftwaffe. why stop at wounded knee, anyway? why not ban all attempts at instrumental action by referring to the prehistoric invention of the stone club as a provenance of evil denying forever the intervention of humans to stop wielding it?
also, this sophistry is implicitly racist because it generalizes the formation of will as racially determined.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 21:15 utc | 77

I don’t know if I’m a “good leftist” slothrop, but you are aware, I assume, that Kuwait was disputed territory… and that April Gilespie, Bush I’s ambassador, told Saddam that the U.S., basically, was not going to do anything. (Another issue, but I don’t know about the validity, was that Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields.)
and then Bushuk invaded.
all through this time, Reagan and Bush used their tinpot dictators like potemkin village idiots (i.e. Noriega) to up their poll numbers and look uber macho for the dumb and dumber in the american electorate…and they had new folks to fry in Nicaragua, and a few tons of cocaine to fry the criminal economy in Los Angeles…
anyway, I opposed the invasion because I didn’t think what would come after would be better than Saddam. I also opposed it because I thought Bush was a stupid arrogant fuck. I also opposed it because I believed the guys who said civil war would be the result (I do not claim there were no ethnic tensions, esp. considering Saddam’s power politics.)
I also opposed the invasion because I thought it was the stupidest thing the U.S. could do to “fight terrorism.” — that it would make the entire world less stable and make the U.S. a “rouge state.” I opposed it because of the fuck heads who stole the election. I knew they were up to no good long before the invasion. why the fuck should anyone trust one thing they have EVER done? anyone who does is just a fool or a tool imo.
and one of the BIGGEST reasons I opposed the invasion is because the first CIA black op was the overthrow of Mossedegh because he was going to nationalize the oil fields in Iran. And look what the Iranians got for that bit of “help” from the U.S. — first the Shah and Savik, then the Ayatollah.
both of these regimes are the direct descendants of U.S. interference in Iran…at the time justified by the “commie threat.” — just like now justified by the “terror threat.” both overblown to manipulate and make a few people really stinkin’ rich at the expense of millions in the U.S. and Iran.
the U.S. has a horrible horrible horrible record of the outcome of their interventions around the world. tell me one military action since Truman that has been a good thing and worth it and that has not had blow back worse than the feared event?
Geo Washington was right about “foreign entanglements.” Americans do not understand the rest of the world. If they want others to change, they should be an example of something good, not a facade of democracy to cover rape, pillage and plunder policies.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jun 18 2007 22:09 utc | 78

i agree w/ most of what you say, but if you ascribe to the view of westphalian states-rights as a guide to int’l law (which i’m not sure myself about), then the multi-lateral intervention in the 1st gulf war was adequately justified.
and the kind of isolationism advocated these days has no saliency imo given the threat of 4th gen warfare and problems economic globalization.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 22:17 utc | 79

You’re rightfully wary Slothrop of “given the threat of 4th gen warfare and problems economic globalization”
Given the fact that the USA are being hammered all over the place (despite trillions of Chinese loans) by ragheads with AK47’s and mobile phone technology. The Blowback……… shudder the thought of what the asshats Bush and Blair have wrought.
Nuke ’em soon.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jun 18 2007 22:26 utc | 80

haven’t watched it, but a rightwing “film” debating the merits of canadian healthcare.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 22:42 utc | 81

slothrop, the conservatives in the U.S. do not believe in nato forces, etc… they will tell the rest of the world what to do…that is their attitude. so the other nations can either say no thanks or demand big chunks of the spoils and that still makes western nations rogue states in the rest of the world. just because Bush was able to pay for the war with others’ money doesn’t mean it was justified — why not just buy off Saddam and send him into exile? that would certainly have been cheaper and less bloody than that highway of death. how many Iraqis have americans pols murdered, compared to Saddam. I wonder.
the U.S. cannot win a “war” against an insurgency… just ask the British back in the late 1700s. military spending is the only thing that keeps the U.S. economy going. it’s the only welfare policy that most selfish fucks in the U.S. will support — and even then they have soldiers buying their own freaking body armor.
globalization is a joke if it does not also include some sort of adherence to global justice. the U.S. will not go along with that. the only globalization they care about is the pillage and plunder kind… I don’t think that’s isolationism to oppose these policies. I think it’s being a “good neighbor” to the rest of the world.
really. suharto and east timor. laos. cambodia. chile. guatamala. nicaragua. iran. iraq. saudi arabia. south africa.
do I believe in the sovereignty of nation states? let me just say that any american who says he/she does not would generally not apply that to their own nation state, just to others’. — at least that’s what I’ve seen.
even Adam Smith thought that capitalism was not a replacement for a nation maintaining the welfare of its citizens — and I sincerely doubt he would think it’s a good replacement for nation state autonomy. privitization of everything is a dangerous thing in the U.S. right now. more dangerous than terrorism. in fact, terrorism provides quite a cover for looting the american govt/people while privatizing basic institutions. (military, healthcare, utilities, education, environmental regulations, etc. etc. etc.)
what problems of economic globalization are intractable if the U.S takes a non-militaristic approach to other nations? I’m not totally isolationist anyway. Like Richard Rorty, I would like to see a global village based upon love… but I won’t hold my breath thinking that will happen.
however, I can say that the sort of globalization that makes sense is the kind that empowers via education, not exploits. I really do think the nations of the world have to come together to deal with environmental issues — I don’t think it makes sense to see everything as a threat.
Seeing everything as a threat since WWII is a direct result of the influence of Gehlen and other Nazis who needed to justify their existence in their work with the CIA by overemphasizing a soviet threat. wonder what the world might be like now if the Nazis had not been allowed to determine so much of our foreign policy in the 50s… maybe McCarthy would not have had his little reign of terror. maybe the soviets would have had to answer to their citizens rather than use the U.S. to justify stupidity (ala Lysenkoism and military spending and a failure to acknowledge any value of a supply/demand equation for production.)
maybe they would have morphed into a social democracy like western european nations. who knows. we can only know the consequences of what did happen and use those as guidelines to assess current situations/actions. to me, those past experiences speak to the idea that butter, not guns, is the way to globalize… education for women… microloans… travel between nations, sharing culture via music and food and art rather than destruction.
silly huh? until the profit is removed from war, it’s silly. but it’s not silly in and of itself.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jun 18 2007 22:47 utc | 82

Slothrop, you may enjoy this book.

Posted by: jj | Jun 18 2007 23:16 utc | 83

test

Posted by: conchita | Jun 19 2007 1:58 utc | 84

test

Posted by: conchita | Jun 19 2007 2:00 utc | 85

anyone else having trouble posting?

Posted by: conchita | Jun 19 2007 2:16 utc | 86

conchita – yes

Posted by: Rick | Jun 19 2007 4:16 utc | 87

Social Darwinism

Posted by: Rick | Jun 19 2007 4:57 utc | 88

excellent posts fauxreal.

Posted by: annie | Jun 19 2007 5:51 utc | 89

nitpicking correction, her name is April Glaspie,
wiki seems more or less correct at a quick glance
What is left out is the time of the Saddam-April meeting; it was in the middle of the night – and April had to shed her pyjamas and re do her hair..!
I’m looking forward to SICKO. Moore is a social democrat, and a sort of on the ground chap, this theme is tailored to his talents, and no doubt the film is fitted to the audience.
9/11 was too big a bone, too fraught with difficulties, dangerous for him – all he did was point to Bush incompetence and the link with the Saudis (the second part was sentimentalist BS..), the regular Democrat stance at the time. (They were all down on the Saudis and even at one point positive about Iran, through the mouth of Kerry.) So it did not impact his career, as he toed the conventional line, and his movie, btw, had no measurable impact that I could dope out.
The US media suppress what tax revenues are used for, how they are spent. Because that, really, is the main point. One of them.
Maybe SICKO will light a few bulbs.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 19 2007 12:50 utc | 90

foreign policy puts out their ranking of the most failed states of 2007, highly politicized one at that. how else to explain sudan rating worse than iraq?
besides, it’s only the sixth month of 07 & they think they can call it already? yea right….
Sudan Oil Industry in BP Figures

June 17, 2007 — Sudan oil industry emerges as a small, but steadily growing along the increased importance of Africa as oil supplier. That is what could be easily concluded of BP’s Statistical Review of World Energy, released last Wednesday.
For the third consecutive year, Sudan retains its proven oil reserves at 6.4 billion barrels. Though small, but clearly implies that replenishment is taking place despite eight years of growing production volume.
BP first included Sudan in its annual statistical book, that has been publishing for 56 years, in 1981 putting its reserves at 200 million barrels, that increased to 300 million the following year. And it continued with that level till it joined the club of oil exporters in 1999 with 300 million barrels reserves. The jump came in the following year, when proven reserves topped 6 billion, rising to 6.4 billion barrels in 2004 and continued so till last year.
This increase in reserves matches the growing oil reserves of Africa that stood at 84.7 billion barrels in 1999, moving to 93.4 billion the following year, to 112.3 billion in 2003 and 117.2 billion last year.
With this volume of reserves, Sudan occupies the fifth position in the continent after Libya, Nigeria, Algeria and Angola.
Equally Sudan’s production has grown over the years. From 63.000 barrels per day (bpd) in 1999, to 174.000 bpd the following year, to 211.000, 233.000, 255.000, 325.000, 355.000 in consecutive years and 397.000 bpd last year according to BP’s review. With blocks (3) and (7) now fully operational, it has exceeded 500.000 bpd already this year.

Posted by: b real | Jun 19 2007 14:06 utc | 91

good news about r’giap! stephan reports that he has been transferred out of icu and his physicians are thinking he may not need as long a hospital stay as they originally thought. steph didn’t say how long the stay would be, but it does sound as if he is on the mend. i will post again later if i hear from stephan.

Posted by: conchita | Jun 19 2007 15:22 utc | 92

that is nice to hear, thanks conchita

Posted by: jcairo | Jun 19 2007 15:37 utc | 93

it does sound as if he is on the mend
drinks on the house!

Posted by: annie | Jun 19 2007 17:40 utc | 94

b real – foreign policy puts out their ranking of the most failed states of 2007
This morning I tried to find out how they determain their numbers. But they don’t let you see their raw data or even their “secret formula” on how they mix those.
Basically they say they take the data from lots of (U.S.) press reports. If they do so, that automatically leads to reinforcing the “balance” reflected in U.S. press reporting.
It’s simply bullshit.

Posted by: b | Jun 19 2007 18:38 utc | 95

Thanks conchita.

Posted by: beq | Jun 19 2007 20:02 utc | 96

ya know, slothrop just for the sake of argument, I would be quite willing to go along with your POV just to see if it leads to a solution that you once said you were interested in finding…
having said that, the fact that the US govt is largely populated with white men of dubious motive (same for mine, though not so long or violent, we like to profit too) and has been for a long time does not mean that any criticism of the US govt can be construed as racism
and unless you are saying that list of events from that idiotic link never happened; please, you start at Wounded Knee or in 1848 if you like, and explain in each case how the military actions were well managed and proved beneficial to the people on the pointy end of the stick – through to 1991 and I’ll go from there…
I think you and r’giap are both correct in your arguments, give or take

Posted by: jcairo | Jun 19 2007 23:14 utc | 97

Greetings, comrades at the Moon…just de-lurking to add my well wishes, psychic energies, or whatever else I can for Rememberinggiap’s health and recovery. And a thanks to B. for keeping on keeping on.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Jun 20 2007 0:45 utc | 98

for those among us who read digby and are curious who digby might be. link

Posted by: conchita | Jun 20 2007 3:20 utc | 99

Curiosity about who Digby is led me to stumble on this diary at dkos which is worth reading, even if it misportrays slightly the timing of the judgment discussed (it was issued 8 days ago, not today). That notwithstanding, this seems important enough to delve into and understand, dense though it is.

Posted by: Bea | Jun 20 2007 4:26 utc | 100