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June 16, 2007
Open Weekend Thread
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Strategy on Hawaii Stirs New Debate in Tokyo
Naomi Klein: Laboratory for a Fortressed World
Keep in mind, what seemingly works well in the UK and Israel is more times than not, emulated here. These countries, USA, UK, Israel run their proactive authoritative security programs like a pilot programs and exchange results. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 5:07 utc | 2 No Bang for the Buck: (PDF) Military contracting and public accountability Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 5:20 utc | 3 The “superb” U.S. military can’t even guard itself …
Taiwan legislators are still sane: Taiwan Rejects Most of U.S. Arms Package Offered in 2001
Speaking of outsourcing… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 6:54 utc | 6 Oh, and Happy Father’s day to the dad’s! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 7:06 utc | 7 Sadly correct: We Are Losing the Fight Over Iran
Uncle Scam, I think you’ve got it backwards. The U.S. has been a war-based economy since Roosevelt, and if it weren’t for arms sales, the U.S. would probably be a massive corn field… not a bad idea to me, actually, considering what a war economy has done to the rest of the world, not to mention the corrosion in the souls of people in the U.S. Posted by: fauxreal | Jun 16 2007 14:03 utc | 9
Posted by: Rick | Jun 16 2007 14:31 utc | 10 some background on nato expansion explaining the current flap over “early warning” detection in poland. from Gowan’s book Global Gamble:
pretty prescient, written in ’98. Posted by: slothrop | Jun 16 2007 14:50 utc | 11 Rick Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 16 2007 15:07 utc | 12 b real collection: Somalis yearn for Islamic rulers to return and tame the warlords
Bush approval index and gasoline prices: Posted by: Noirette | Jun 16 2007 18:03 utc | 14 bernhard, i have just sent you an email of consequence. Posted by: conchita | Jun 16 2007 18:34 utc | 15 beq, lol, very very clever. Posted by: annie | Jun 16 2007 18:55 utc | 17 How many time-frames have we had so far, predicting the attack on Iran? I’m not succeeding in my search, but didn’t Uncle$ predict an attack early in April? The only reason I remember is that I was traveling that weekend. Posted by: catlady | Jun 16 2007 20:16 utc | 18 @beq: Posted by: catlady | Jun 16 2007 20:26 utc | 19 i wrote to bernhard about this earlier, thinking it might be better if he posted so that it might be more conspiculously posted, but it looks as if he must have missed both my email and my comment alerting him to my email. so on second thought, i think it more important that the community know the purpose of my email to b. Posted by: conchita | Jun 16 2007 22:07 utc | 21 thanks conchita, best wishes to r’giap Posted by: jcairo | Jun 16 2007 22:24 utc | 22 @copeland Posted by: jcairo | Jun 16 2007 22:44 utc | 23 Thank You Conchita for letting us know about r’giap. Posted by: Rick | Jun 16 2007 22:46 utc | 24 Just wanted to jump on and say I was concerned and sending out good thoughts to our ol’ tovarich, r’giap. Godspeed and a healthy recovery. I will be contacting conchita about this most distressing news. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 16 2007 22:54 utc | 25 Uncle$–I’m undoubtedly misremembering (as I often do). I do know that someone brought up some possible nasty thang that had the potential to mess up my flight plans for the weekend of April 7-8. Posted by: catlady | Jun 16 2007 23:54 utc | 27 I also want to send my best wishes to r’giap, for gaining strength with each passing day, and for a complete recovery. Get well brother, I hope to be reading your words here again, once you feel well enough to write. Best wishes to R’Giap. Bernhard has obviously said what he wishes to say to him. That is quite worrisome, as it follows Gilliard’s trajectory precisely. Posted by: jj | Jun 17 2007 1:47 utc | 29 It’s unfortunate that Bernhard wouldn’t provide a separate thread for condolences, as I hate to pollute this one w/worldly matters…yikes what to do..should I post this on a non-related thread or what? Posted by: jj | Jun 17 2007 2:04 utc | 31 stay strong, r’giap! take care that you recover in full & don’t rush it. Posted by: b real | Jun 17 2007 4:03 utc | 33 r’giap, Posted by: Bea | Jun 17 2007 4:30 utc | 34 r’giap darlin’ sweetness i have been worried about you and thought of responding the other day but just didn’t quite no what to say. since i heard a few hrs ago i have been working in my studio or i would have posted sooner. Posted by: annie | Jun 17 2007 5:12 utc | 35 best wishes for a speedy recovery rgiap, you stalinist fruitcake you. Posted by: ran | Jun 17 2007 6:04 utc | 37 @jj: Posted by: catlady | Jun 17 2007 6:45 utc | 38 the enron collapse, the trillions lost in Iraq….and yet, we’re still _just_ comfortably numb enough to wait for the next election ha ha ha ha ha Posted by: catlady | Jun 17 2007 6:48 utc | 39 Seymour M. Hersh interview with Maj.Gen. Tabuga who wrote the first report on Abu Graibh: The General’s Report
Radical Group Pulls In Sunnis As Lebanon’s Muslims Polarize
I just missed conchita’s comment about r’giap yesterday. I am so sorry and channeling good stuff to you comrade. Posted by: beq | Jun 17 2007 12:42 utc | 42 to everyone who has written wishing r’giap well, just wanted to let you know that i have copied your comments into an email to him which stephan will print out and bring to the hospital. he is lying there in icu – just him and lots of wires and tubes and monitors – i know it will make him smile and give him heart to know we are all rooting for him. i’ll be calling him again today and will post updates on how he is coming along. hopefully, soon he will be able to write a comment on his laptop (so glad we gave this to him because he has it with him and has his itunes playing classical) and steph can take to a hotspot and send his thoughts to us. Posted by: conchita | Jun 17 2007 14:39 utc | 43 Conchita, thank you for letting us know, and please keep us informed about further developments if you can. r’giap has my best wishes. Posted by: Alamet | Jun 17 2007 14:54 utc | 44 from Ali A. Allawi, The Occupation of Iraq, on the historic factionalism in iraq. adds more support to the claim the US did not create sectarian animus, but idiocy of occupation made a bad situation worse:
Posted by: slothrop | Jun 17 2007 15:57 utc | 45 interesting too that the divers tribal culture detained modernization. in some of the old 40s-60s modernization, like Daniel Lerner-The Passing of Traditional Society, iraq studies were notoriously difficult given the hostile xenophobia of iraq sunni. Posted by: slothrop | Jun 17 2007 16:02 utc | 46 (i sent you an e mail conchita.) Posted by: Noirette | Jun 17 2007 16:06 utc | 47 Seems Mr A Allawi’s main criticism is that the CPA didn’t carry out the policies of de-Baathification, privatization, democratization, etc far enough. Seems his solution to Iraq’s sectarian animus was to break it down even more than it was. Not that far from what all the formally exiled officials (Chalabi, the other Allawi etc.) seem to be infected with — after living for decades in the secular west. Reeks of elitism. Posted by: anna missed | Jun 17 2007 19:36 utc | 48 Ahmed Rashid, a Pakistani journalist, on Musharraf and DC:
Iraq Contractors Face Growing Parallel War
More at the link, sourced to the Washington Post. Posted by: Alamet | Jun 17 2007 23:07 utc | 50 From the Voices of Iraq:
U.S. copters raid northeastern Baghdad, leave casualties
U.S. warplanes raid southern Kut, wound five
Posted by: Alamet | Jun 17 2007 23:16 utc | 51 Seems Mr A Allawi’s main criticism is that the CPA didn’t carry out the policies of de-Baathification, privatization, democratization, etc far enough. Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 2:52 utc | 52 Found this story from a link on Prison Planet: Posted by: Rick | Jun 18 2007 4:21 utc | 53 re:#53 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 18 2007 5:50 utc | 54 RE#52
Whats wrong with these exiles, is they’re so far out of touch with their native culture, they suffer from the same “they want to be like us” myopia the neo-cons do. Because they’ve become like us. And if you think thats advocating “backwardness” then look what we, and the exiles, have been doing to them for the last 4-8 years under the name of “enlightenment”. Posted by: anna missed | Jun 18 2007 6:46 utc | 55 “…adds more support to the claim the US did not create sectarian animus,…” Posted by: jcairo | Jun 18 2007 12:22 utc | 57 Let me add my wishes for a quick and complete recovery for RGiap. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 18 2007 12:32 utc | 58 Uncle #41, Posted by: Rick | Jun 18 2007 13:02 utc | 60 completely OT for a change – opinions on clotheslines, hanging laundry to dry in your backyard, like the working-class
Posted by: jcairo | Jun 18 2007 13:25 utc | 61 jeffrey gettleman’s NYT rpt on the ogaden region in ethiopia is now out. he & two other journalists were detained by & had their equipment confiscated by ethiopian forces for some five days last month in an attempt to prevent outside press reports on the subject
Posted by: b real | Jun 18 2007 14:22 utc | 62 Andrew J. Bacevich has a good one in LAT: More troops, more troublesCandidates who call for beefing up our armed forces to deter terrorism show a profound misunderstanding of the Mideast.
i’m not done with the book, but allawi’s take on iraq is the assessment of intractable catastrophe resulting from unintended consequences of occupation. the anomie and brutalization of the people living in mesopotamia precludes any obvious cure for very deep social pathologies. Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 15:38 utc | 64 left alone, iraqis would have been just fine (saddam forever!) Posted by: b real | Jun 18 2007 15:58 utc | 65 that’s possible, you’re right. in any case it seems, civil warx10. Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 16:29 utc | 66 and let’s face it, among the “realists'” objections to overthrow, aside from the fear of iranian-led shia iraq, was the concern for intractable civil war. well, whaddya know. Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 16:35 utc | 67 un petit r’giap update. i spoke with him again yesterday as did noirette and i think i will let her words do the heavy lifting:
when i spoke with him he told me stephan had brought print outs of everyone’s well wishes and i know they brightened his spirits. i don’t think he will be commenting immediately as they have him flat on his back and hooked up to all kinds of wires and tubes. he is still waiting for the doctors to present a prognosis and they were either observing the sabbath yesterday or taking it one day at a time. Posted by: conchita | Jun 18 2007 17:16 utc | 68 thanks conchita & noirette for the update & personal contact on our behalf. Posted by: anna missed | Jun 18 2007 17:43 utc | 69 p.s. my mail is goofed up & cannot send through moa, so my personal regards & solidarity will have to remain telepathic. Posted by: anna missed | Jun 18 2007 17:50 utc | 70 is there a psychiatrist in the house? or maybe an optician? that’s my initial reaction when reading this quote on the secrecy news blog
yes, dear god, finally!! keep talking democratic senator wyden “In a sickening phenomenon that I call the terror tax, every time that Americans drive their cars down to the gas station and fill up at the pump, the reality is that a portion of that money is then turned over to foreign governments that ‘backdoor’ it over to Islamist extremists, who use that money to perpetuate terrorism and hate.” fuck Posted by: b real | Jun 18 2007 18:54 utc | 71 Thanks, Conchita & Noirette for the update. Now someone just has to convince Barkeep to devote a thread to it 🙂 Posted by: jj | Jun 18 2007 19:05 utc | 72 my mail is goofed up Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 18 2007 19:18 utc | 73 “saddam forever” “smug leftists” – expected reflexive response Posted by: jcairo | Jun 18 2007 20:23 utc | 74 jcairo Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 20:57 utc | 75 jcairo Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 21:01 utc | 76 your link is idiotic, imo. it’s a sort of “leftism” anchored to a strategically limited regression of horrors proving the interests of men often include genocide perpetrated by white americans, therefore no agency by white male americans is legitimate. this is a bit of casuistry that would require that b, for example, is barred from offering advice about u.s. politics because his gpa was in the luftwaffe. why stop at wounded knee, anyway? why not ban all attempts at instrumental action by referring to the prehistoric invention of the stone club as a provenance of evil denying forever the intervention of humans to stop wielding it? Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 21:15 utc | 77 I don’t know if I’m a “good leftist” slothrop, but you are aware, I assume, that Kuwait was disputed territory… and that April Gilespie, Bush I’s ambassador, told Saddam that the U.S., basically, was not going to do anything. (Another issue, but I don’t know about the validity, was that Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields.) Posted by: fauxreal | Jun 18 2007 22:09 utc | 78 i agree w/ most of what you say, but if you ascribe to the view of westphalian states-rights as a guide to int’l law (which i’m not sure myself about), then the multi-lateral intervention in the 1st gulf war was adequately justified. Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 22:17 utc | 79 You’re rightfully wary Slothrop of “given the threat of 4th gen warfare and problems economic globalization” Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jun 18 2007 22:26 utc | 80 haven’t watched it, but a rightwing “film” debating the merits of canadian healthcare. Posted by: slothrop | Jun 18 2007 22:42 utc | 81 slothrop, the conservatives in the U.S. do not believe in nato forces, etc… they will tell the rest of the world what to do…that is their attitude. so the other nations can either say no thanks or demand big chunks of the spoils and that still makes western nations rogue states in the rest of the world. just because Bush was able to pay for the war with others’ money doesn’t mean it was justified — why not just buy off Saddam and send him into exile? that would certainly have been cheaper and less bloody than that highway of death. how many Iraqis have americans pols murdered, compared to Saddam. I wonder. Posted by: fauxreal | Jun 18 2007 22:47 utc | 82 nitpicking correction, her name is April Glaspie, Posted by: Noirette | Jun 19 2007 12:50 utc | 90 foreign policy puts out their ranking of the most failed states of 2007, highly politicized one at that. how else to explain sudan rating worse than iraq?
Posted by: b real | Jun 19 2007 14:06 utc | 91 good news about r’giap! stephan reports that he has been transferred out of icu and his physicians are thinking he may not need as long a hospital stay as they originally thought. steph didn’t say how long the stay would be, but it does sound as if he is on the mend. i will post again later if i hear from stephan. Posted by: conchita | Jun 19 2007 15:22 utc | 92 it does sound as if he is on the mend Posted by: annie | Jun 19 2007 17:40 utc | 94 b real – foreign policy puts out their ranking of the most failed states of 2007 ya know, slothrop just for the sake of argument, I would be quite willing to go along with your POV just to see if it leads to a solution that you once said you were interested in finding… Posted by: jcairo | Jun 19 2007 23:14 utc | 97 Greetings, comrades at the Moon…just de-lurking to add my well wishes, psychic energies, or whatever else I can for Rememberinggiap’s health and recovery. And a thanks to B. for keeping on keeping on. Posted by: Maxcrat | Jun 20 2007 0:45 utc | 98 for those among us who read digby and are curious who digby might be. link Posted by: conchita | Jun 20 2007 3:20 utc | 99 Curiosity about who Digby is led me to stumble on this diary at dkos which is worth reading, even if it misportrays slightly the timing of the judgment discussed (it was issued 8 days ago, not today). That notwithstanding, this seems important enough to delve into and understand, dense though it is. Posted by: Bea | Jun 20 2007 4:26 utc | 100 |
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