Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 13, 2007
Irrefutable Evidence

If some Iranians are now really providing weapons to the Taliban, five years after the U.S. joined the Iranian government in fighting them, who did provide the Taliban with weapons between late 2001 and early 2007?

Thousands of RPGs, millions of AK47 rounds and tons of explosives have been used against the U.S. military in Afghanistan in the last years. Nobody claims that Iran provided these. So what country did? Why isn’t it threatened?

Oh – nevermind – the U.S. media will not ask these questions.

At least not while there is some "irrefutable evidence" that the blame for the U.S. defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan can be used to "wack", i.e. kill, Iranians and to grab their oil:

The United States has "irrefutable evidence" that Tehran is transferring arms to Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, a top U.S. diplomat told CNN Wednesday, noting that NATO forces have intercepted some of the arms shipments.

"There’s irrefutable evidence the Iranians are now doing this and it’s a pattern of activity," U.S. Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns told CNN.
CNN, June 13, 2007

Haven’t we heard this before?

[A]ccording to an administration official familiar with briefings the CIA has given President Bush, the Agency has "irrefutable evidence" that the Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in 1998, around the time his Islamic Jihad was merging with al Qaeda.

"It’s a lock," says this source.
Weekly Standard, 09/01/2003

I believe that Iraq is now in further material breach of its obligations.  I believe this conclusion is irrefutable and undeniable.
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell To The United Nations Security Council, February 5, 2003

Speaking to a group of Wyoming Republicans in September [2002], Vice President Dick Cheney said the United States now had "irrefutable evidence" – thousands of tubes made of high-strength aluminum, tubes that the Bush administration said were destined for clandestine Iraqi uranium centrifuges, before some were seized at the behest of the United States.
NYT

Some "irrefutable evidence" …

Though this time even a few official folks seem to have a different view.

Two days ago the top NATO General on the ground in Afghanistan, who certainly knows a bit about the issue, was not convinced:

McNeill, a 60-year-old, four-star general from North Carolina who has fought in most American conflicts since Vietnam, said he had no hard evidence the Iranian government has helped the Taliban. He said munitions, particularly mortar rounds found on Afghan battlefields, "clearly were made in Iran,” but said that does not prove the Iranian government is formally involved.

"If I had the information, I would have no reservation about saying it,” he said.

Just yesterday McCormack, the spokesman of the Department of State, said:

Now the one final linkage that I’m not sure anybody has made, and I don’t think I could at this point, is what exactly is the active involvement of the Iranian Government in those arms moving into Afghanistan.

So what does Burns know that McNeill and McCormack don’t know? Cheney’s direct line number?

Aside form all of this kabuki – selling weapons to a war party is hardly a causus belli.

When the U.S. openly provided weapons to the Taliban to fight Russians in Afghanistan, did Russia threaten to bomb the United States?

Did the U.S. threaten China for helping the Viet Cong?

Does Hamas threaten the U.S. because it finances and trains Fatah’s thugs?

No. So why should Iranian weapons sold somewhere matter at all?

Comments

So why should Iranian weapons sold somewhere matter at all?
something for the pea brains to consume themselves with? terra terra? taliban + iran = big bad terra.
where are the superheros here to save the day?
drumroll please…
and it’s one two three what are we fighting for? don’t ask me i don’t give a damn
next stop big bad iran.

Posted by: annie | Jun 13 2007 22:42 utc | 1

heh…!!
mmmm, who exactly was financing the talibans when the russians were invading??
sooo messed, sooo fkd up… gud help us all….

Posted by: rudolf | Jun 14 2007 4:54 utc | 2

Seeing that the Taliban doesn’t manufacture ANY weapons itself, then literally all of its weapons have got come from some other place. It doesn’t make nearly as much difference where the weapons came from, as it does when they came from there, and how they came from there. All else is cry-baby propaganda.

Posted by: anna missed | Jun 14 2007 5:58 utc | 3

“Poppies will put them to sleep.” The big sleep of doomed empires. Plenty of weapons out there for heroin.

Posted by: Rouser | Jun 14 2007 6:38 utc | 4

Bosnia Linking Arms With Iraq by Vesna Peric Zimonjic, June 13 2007
–quote–
The 39,000-strong Stabilization Forces led by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) until December 2004, followed by the 6,300 European Union Forces (EUFOR) sought to reestablish peace and ensure security. And this meant the destruction of remaining weapons.
But these weapons have headed in other directions. Bosnian daily Nezavisne Novine and Croatian daily Vecernji List have quoted a former Austrian member of EUFOR, identified as “Major Erwin K,” as saying that under United States pressure stockpiled arms and ammunition were ordered sold to Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11.
At least 290,000 rifles were sold to private firms, mostly based in the United States. The guns were finally meant to be supplied to “local security forces” in Afghanistan and Iraq, the military source was quoted as saying.
–end quote–
Anti War.com

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 14 2007 8:05 utc | 5

Afghan Minister Dismisses U.S. Claims

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) – Afghanistan’s defense minister on Thursday dismissed claims by a top U.S. State Department official that there was “irrefutable evidence” that the Iranian government was providing arms to Taliban rebels.
“Actually, throughout we have had good relations with Iran and we believe that the security and stability of Afghanistan are also in the interests of Iran,” Abdul Rahim Wardak told The Associated Press.

Tehran has denied the accusations. Wardak, who is attending a NATO defense ministers’ meeting in Brussels, also played down suggestions that Iranian authorities were sending arms shipments to the Taliban.
“There has been evidence of weapons, but it is difficult to link it to Iran. (They) might be from al-Qaida, from the drug mafia or from other sources,” Wardak said.

Posted by: b | Jun 14 2007 9:57 utc | 6

Remember the “irrefutable evidence” in the Telegraph: Iraqi insurgents using Austrian rifles from Iran?
Oh well

U.S. Army Christopher C. Garver, Director of the Combined Press Information Center for Multinational Corps-Iraq, stated that no such rifles have ever been confirmed recovered by American military forces in Iraq.
“Ever since that article, we have queried our units to see if anyone can find any evidence of those Steyr-Mannlicher sniper rifles,” said Garver.
“To date, we have not found one unit that has any knowledge of that find.
“I can’t tell you that this didn’t happen — the possibility that the cache of rifles was destroyed before being completely documented does exist, though the chance of that happening is small — but we have been able to find no evidence of it.”

Posted by: b | Jun 14 2007 10:43 utc | 7