Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 02, 2007

Burning the Good Guys

While no higher officer has been charged in the abuses at the Abu Graibh prison, the U.S. Army is seriously going after a commander who was strict with the rules regarding detainees and handled them humanily.

From the LA Times:

A senior U.S. Army officer accused of aiding the enemy when he oversaw detainees at an American-run prison in Baghdad stashed huge amounts of "extremely sensitive" topsecret material in his living quarters that could have devastated the United States' mission in Iraq if it had been leaked, an investigator testified Tuesday.

Another investigator in the case against Lt. Col. William H. Steele said that during an interview, the officer admitted that he empathized with the prisoners he oversaw, who included ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and members of his former regime, and that he had lent them his cellular phone to make private calls.

The NYT and WaPo also have accounts on this. All three pieces start with very damning phrases about the Colonel.

From what I can glean the accusations include:

  • letting detainees use his cellphone
  • having "secret" documents stored where they should not be
  • "improper" contact to a detainees daughter
  • "provided former president Saddam Hussein with Cuban cigars at taxpayer expense"

Earlier reports also named:

  • improper relation with a translator
  • pornographic pictures on his government laptop

Only deep down the pages we learn that the serious charges in the opening paragraphs are quite dubious.

  • When no other telephone was available, the Colonel allowed a juvenile detainee to phone his family with his official cellphone.
  • The "huge amount" of "secret" stuff was on his official laptop within his quarters. If every stored email is a "secret", that may well have accounted to the alleged 18,000 "secret" items.
  • He provided a detainees daughter with materials for her architecture study that she could not get in Baghdad.
  • To provide cigars to Saddam was a policy he inherited from his predecessor.

The two sex-charges from earlier reports have somehow vanished from the recent ones.

Earlier Scott Horton at Harpers reported from his contacts in Baghdad:

Steele was described as a “person of unquestioned integrity,” he was credited with maintaining “strict discipline and order” at Camp Cropper and showed “zero tolerance of prisoner abuse.” Another said he was “a person with a conscience.” One described how he intervened directly to protect a prisoner who had been mistreated by interrogators. He insisted that those serving under him treat the detainees “like human beings.” He “was a constant target of those who like to use rough stuff.”

It seems obvious that this man is getting burned. First he did get top evaluations for his work at Camp Cropper and now even twelve year old accusations he had faced in his civilian life are trotted out against him.

Someone at the Pentagon wants to put up an example here. Whoever is barely friendly with prisoners, may be "aiding the enemy". An accusation that can end with a death penalty sentence.

The message is: "More Abu Graibhs, less humanity."

Rumsfeldian policies seem not to have ended with Sec Def Gates rule.

Posted by b on May 2, 2007 at 06:47 AM | Permalink

Comments

Jeeze, just when I thought nothing could make my jaw drop you come up with a classic, "you can't make shit like this up"!

Heck, if a modern Joseph Heller was writing about Iraq, this would be right out of "Catch 22", although, with Iraq it would be "Catch 86"

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | May 2, 2007 11:02:48 AM | 1

There was the petrodollar recycling bubble, the Japanese real estate bubble, the Far Eastern investment bubble, the telecommunications bubble, now we have the Universal Bubble the stock market going up and up due to its own impetus. Nobody knows where to park the fiat dollars so the stock market is the latest receptaculum. The real estate bubble also seems to have burst. But then there is the other most splendid bubble, the Apocalyptic one. Everybody seems to be sucked into it, the financial forecasters , the Fundamentalists, the Muslims, the Atheists, the Zionists, the American goverment, the Europeans, everyone of them seeing catastrophe, the catastrophe that will validate every opinion the opinions based on readings of sacred texts be they religious or economic or environmental. Nothing comes true so destruction will be the solution. The guillotine was invented for that purpose.

Posted by: jlcg | May 2, 2007 11:08:47 AM | 2

What happens when civility springs up between people playing roles as enemies?

They stop hating each other, and start to figure out ways to stymie their real enemies.

Posted by: citizen | May 2, 2007 11:11:33 AM | 3

The guillotine was invented for that purpose

I wonder what they will use this time around.

gosh jlcg, you do have a cheery outlook.

Posted by: dan of steele | May 2, 2007 11:25:11 AM | 4

stashed huge amounts of "extremely sensitive" topsecret material in his living quarters that could have devastated the United States' mission in Iraq

wonder if this is 'evidence' is of the same nature as someone else's

Posted by: annie | May 2, 2007 11:56:08 AM | 5

odd.. it cut of my post @ the reference to Westhusing, the ethics Col. who suicided.

Posted by: annie | May 2, 2007 11:59:49 AM | 6

@4
The guillotine is a swift mode of killing. It was a great improvement upon the wheel. If you are curious about the wheel consult Joseph de Maistre in his Soirees de Petersburg. He describes the method with enormous moral power. In summary it consisted in breaking methodically the bones of an unfortunate and allowing him to die of circulatoty collapse due to the destruction of muscle and other soft tissues besides the bones. Such a horrible method was superseded by the guillotine established by the French Revolution. So it was progress like so much other progress emanated from rationality. I am against capital punishment abortion and any sort of killing. Even the bugs are protected in my house.

Posted by: jlcg | May 2, 2007 12:08:57 PM | 7

Here are the original

charges:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
RELEASE No. 20070426-01
April 26, 2007

Charges announced
Multi-National Corps – Iraq PAO

Baghdad - Lt. Col. William H. Steele has been charged with offenses under the provisions of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.

These charges are merely an accusation of wrongdoing. Lt. Col. Steele is presumed innocent unless and until he his proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of any alleged offense.

CHARGE I: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 104

Specification: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, did, between on or about 1 October 2005 and 31 October 2006, aid the enemy by providing an unmonitored cellular phone to detainees.

CHARGE II: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 134

Specification: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, did between on or about 31 October 2006 and 22 February 2007, having unauthorized possession of classified information, violate Title 18, United States Code, Section 793(e), by knowingly and willfully retaining the same and failing to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States.

CHARGE III: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 133

Specification 1: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, did, between on or about 20 October 2005 and 22 February 2007, knowingly and wrongfully fraternize with the daughter of a detainee, wherein such acts constituted conduct unbecoming an officer in the armed forces.

Specification 2: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, did, between on or about 1 December 2005 and 11 December 2006, knowingly and wrongfully provide special privileges to and maintain an inappropriate relationship with an interpreter, wherein such acts constituted conduct unbecoming an officer in the armed forces.

CHARGE IV: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 92

Specification 1: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, did, between on or about 18 February 2007 and 21 February 2007, violate a lawful general regulation, to wit: paragraph 7-4, Army Regulation 380-5, dated 29 September 2000, by wrongfully and knowingly storing classified information in his living space.

Specification 2: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, did, between on or about 1 September 2006 and 21 February 2007, violate a lawful general regulation, to wit: paragraph 4-32, Army Regulation 380-5, dated 29 September 2000, by improperly marking classified information.

Specification 3: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, having knowledge of a lawful order issued by the 89th Military Police Brigade Deputy Commander, did, at or near Camp Victory, Iraq, on or about 22 February 2007, fail to obey the order.

Specification 4: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, did, between on or about 18 February 2007 and 21 February 2007, violate a lawful general order, to wit: paragraph 2e, Multi-National Corps-Iraq General Order Number 1, dated 16 December 2006, by wrongfully and knowingly possessing pornographic videos.

Specification 5: In that Lieutenant Colonel William H. Steele, between on or about 1 October 2005 and 31 October 2006, was derelict in the performance of his duties in that he willfully failed to fulfill his obligations as an approving authority in the expenditure of Field Ordering Officer funds.

From the hearing the press reported about one can glean this:

Charge 1 - let detained kids phone their parents. (question: where this freshly detained kids who needed to tell their parents where they were?) (wouldn't one first have to determine if these kids were "enemies" before charging helping the enemy?)

Charge 2 - had some papers/documents he shouldn't have had (question: something like "Abu Graibh like pictures?) (question: as an LtCol he should have automatic "secret" access and "top secret" access to most stuff related to Iraq - what was he not allowed to know?)

Charge 3.1 - "fraternized" by giving a college kid books and software to do her study - when he met the girl the girl her mother was there too so he stayed within the cultural rules - the girl said there was nothing else.)

Charge 3.2 - screwed(?) with an interpreter (most likely a female civilian) and did her some favours - can we call that the Wolfowitz charge? What's Wolfowitz' defense?

Charge 4.1 - took a workplace laptop and/or backup CDs to his quarters (both in Camp Cooper)

Charge 4.2 - there is a thick book of rules on how to handle and mark classified stuff (at least in the German army) - he may well have broken some of these (I did in my time)

Charge 4.3 - no idea what's behind it - probably skipped on some general camp regulations?

Charge 4.4 - watched porn on his PC - no real soldier EVER does this so they have him there

Charge 4.5 - that's the "bought Saddam cigars and hair dye" which is what his predecessor did and something his boss did know about

Posted by: b | May 2, 2007 12:54:46 PM | 8

In Irish history lessons, they say the invading occupiers "became more Irish than the Irish themselves". This applies to the Normans, Scandanavians and NOT the British. It is abundantly obvious that Steele is a hindrance to the goal of fucking Iraq and the oil producing portion of the ME to the wind.

Sack him.

I bet Gates is only learning about guy in the last few days.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | May 2, 2007 2:22:19 PM | 9

Cuban cigars?

Posted by: beq | May 2, 2007 3:08:01 PM | 10

beq,

Cuban cigars are very popular among soldiers overseas. though they are banned in the US they are easy to find everywhere else. NATO bases have them for sale in the Brit and Canadian stores and there are no restrictions on US military buying them. One simply can not ship them to the US. Since it is a coalition after all there are bound to be outlets in the Green Zone where you can buy a nice box of Cuban cigars

Posted by: dan of steele | May 2, 2007 3:15:14 PM | 11

this is a very strange affair, indeed

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 2, 2007 4:01:15 PM | 12

@jlcg, thanks for pointing me toward Joseph de Maistre. I found the following while looking him up. seems to fit in this thread somehow. from Limited, Inc

"I believe that you are all too clever not to have more than once meditated on the fact of the hangman. What is this inexplicable being who prefers, before all the other agreeable, lucrative, honest and even honorable jobs in the world crowding upon the mind which muses on human force or dexterity, that of tormenting and even putting to death his fellows? That head, that heart, are they made like our own? Don't they contain something peculiar and strange to our nature? For me, I can't doubt it. He is made like us on the outside; he is born like us; but he is an extraordinary being, and in order that he exist in the human family there had to have been issued a decree, a fiat of the Creative Power. He is created like a world. See what he is in the opinion of men, and understand, if you can, how he can ignore that opinion or confront it! hardly has authority chosen his residence, hardly has he taken possession of it when his neighbors recoil, giving him the blind eye. In the middle of this solitude, this sort of vacuum formed around him that he lives alone with his female and his little ones, who make known to him the pleasing sounds of the human voice. Otherwise, he would known nothing but shrieks... a lugubrious signal is given, an abject minister of justice comes to knock on his door and tell him he is needed. He gets up, he goes, he arrives at a public place entirely filled with a palpitating, dense crowd. They throw him a poisoner, a parricide, a blasphemer. He grasps the wretch, stretches him out, ties him to a horizontal cross. He lifts his arm, while a horrible silence surrounds him, and one hears only the cry of bones breaking under the iron rod and the screams of the victim. He unties him, carries him to the wheel. The broken limbs dangle in the spokes. The head hands miserably, the hairs stand up, and the mouth, like a urnace, only gargles, at intervals, some bloody words to call upon death. He finishes, our hangman. His heart is beating, but it is with joy. He applauds his own work, he says in his heart: no one runs the wheel better than me. He climes down, he extends his bloody hand, and justice tosses him some gold coins which he carries off, making a passage through the ranks of the horrified audience that yield to him as he passes. He goes back and sits at his take and eats. Then, he goes to bed and sleeps. The next day, in waking up, he reflects on anything else than what he did yesterday. Is this a man? Yes. God receives him in his temples, and permits him to pray. He is not a criminal, yet no language would consent to say that he is virtuous, honest, estimable, etc. No moral praise is due him, for all such praise supposes a human relationship, and he has none. Yet all grandeur, all power, all obedience rests on the executioner. It is the horror and the tie of all human association. If you take this incomprehensible agent from the world, in that instant order is turned into chaos, thrones are thrown into the abyss, and society disappears."

Posted by: dan of steele | May 2, 2007 4:06:16 PM | 13

but given the rotten & rotting jurisprudence of the empire, i am not surprised that some of its practitioners are ambivalent or deeply ambivalent about what they are doing

hair dye? quelle crime!

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 2, 2007 4:11:58 PM | 14

@dan of steele, #13:

I wonder if Joseph de Maistre's writings were source material for Gene Wolfe in Book of the New Sun. Severian, the main character, is "a journeyman torturer who is exiled from the Seekers for Truth and Penitence (the guild of torturers) for committing the one unforgivable act: showing mercy to his victim by allowing her to die and thereby avoid further anguish."

link

Posted by: catlady | May 2, 2007 4:29:01 PM | 15

Yep, you can't make this shit up. The woeful double standards exhibited here are entirely consistent with this item (from DNow today).

In Alabama, federal authorities have revealed they have broken up a militia plot to attack a group of Mexicans living in a small town north of Birmingham. Last week six members of the Alabama Free Militia were arrested in a series of raids. The Birmingham News reported police uncovered truckloads of explosives and weapons, including 130 grenades, an improvised rocket launcher and 2,500 rounds of ammunition. The six men appeared in court on Tuesday. Despite the violent plot, police did not accuse the men of terrorism. Instead police charged them with conspiracy to make a firearm, which carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. The Anti-Defamation League said the weapons seizure was the largest in the South in years.

Just a little harmless fun, don'tcha know.

Posted by: PeeDee | May 2, 2007 6:21:57 PM | 16

Great post, dan of steele. Thanks for the link!

Posted by: Argh | May 2, 2007 6:25:10 PM | 17

dan - Thanks.

Posted by: beq | May 2, 2007 6:52:22 PM | 18

The US Military is a treacherous organization to work for.

Posted by: Scorpio | May 2, 2007 11:48:32 PM | 19

More burning the good guys:

U.S. inspector general for Iraq under investigation

Stuart Bowen, the U.S. special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction whose office has uncovered abuse of both Iraqi and U.S. funds, is under investigation himself, a White House spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

"Complaints against Mr. Bowen are being looked at by the integrity committee of the PCIE (President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency), said spokeswoman Emily Lawrimore.

She gave no details about the investigation or the nature of the complaints against Bowen, who heads the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, or SIGIR.
...
The council, created in 1992, is comprised of presidentially appointed inspectors general and headed by Clay Johnson, the deputy director for management of the White House Office of Management and Budget.
...
Bowen was appointed as inspector general of the Iraqi Coalition Provisional Authority in January 2004, remaining in that role after the creation of SIGIR.

His office produces quarterly reports to Congress about Iraq reconstruction efforts. His latest report said seven of eight rebuilding projects that costing about $150 million had previously been declared successes, were now in disrepair or had been abandoned.


Posted by: b | May 3, 2007 3:09:53 AM | 20

You know the worst part about the Americans trying Lt. Col. William H. Steele is that the Iraqis will not now be able to kill him.

I'm sure that makes you unhappy b. I know you do wish the May number will top 112, so you can see the headline "U.S. May deathtoll in Iraq exceeds record".

I know that you favor Iraqis killing Americans.

Because it saves lives.

And now the Americans have whisked one of their murderers out of that total.

Probably only a temporary setback though.

I'm sure you won't be disappointed with the month's totals when they do come out.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | May 3, 2007 9:36:14 AM | 21

Why is there hate in your words JFL?
Why do you try to turn my argumentation upside down?

And for the record I seriously hope Lt. Col. William H. Steele comes home to tell his side of the story before his fellow officers make him have an "accident".

Posted by: b | May 4, 2007 2:12:47 AM | 22

There's no hate in my words b. I'm only quoting your own words back to you, trying to bring you to your senses.

Posted by: | May 4, 2007 3:47:09 AM | 23

At alternet there's an excerpt from Howard Zinn's new book A Power Governments Cannot Suppress. I saw it at Truthout.

A good deal of the excerpt deals with Sacco and Vanzetti, tried and executed for the robbery of a shoe factory in South Braintree, Massachusetts, and the shooting of a paymaster and a guard.

But Zinn says that's not what their trial was really about :


Worst of all, they were anarchists, meaning they had some crazy notion of a full democracy in which neither foreignness nor poverty would exist, and thought that without these provocations, war among nations would end for all time. But for this to happen the rich would have to be fought and their riches confiscated. That anarchist idea is a crime much worse than robbing a payroll, and so to this day the story of Sacco and Vanzetti cannot be recalled without great anxiety.

Zinn quotes a pamphlet found in Vanzetti's pocket the day he was arrested :


You have fought all the wars. You have worked for all the capitalists. You have wandered over all the countries. Have you harvested the fruits of your labors, the price of your victories? Does the past comfort you? Does the present smile on you? Does the future promise you anything? Have you found a piece of land where you can live like a human being and die like a human being? On these questions, on this argument, and on this theme, the struggle for existence, Bartolomeo Vanzetti will speak.

And he recounts the real reason for Eugene Debs' imprisonment :


When Eugene Debs and a thousand others were sent to prison during World War I, under the Espionage Act, was it because they were guilty of espionage? Hardly. They were socialists who spoke out against the war. In affirming the ten-year sentence of Debs, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes made it clear why Debs must go to prison. He quoted from Debs' speech: "The master class has always declared the wars, the subject class has always fought the battles."

And now the world has so changed that we clamor for the subject class to fight and die more quickly, in the hopes that the master class will end their war?

Posted by: John Francis Lee | May 4, 2007 9:28:49 AM | 24

When chrisnuts read Army press releases: Lt. Col. Steele's Tragedy

As the act unfolds, he makes his fatal mistake, providing the phone. He gets sloppy because his mind is lustily involved elsewhere, and forgets to return files. Then he tries to cover it all up by not following a direct order from his superior officer. And everything crashes.

Steele falls far, from warrior to traitor, and we leave him at the final curtain alone in his cell in Kuwait, torn between feelings of guilt and failure ... and thoughts of her.

What was Steele's fatal weakness? It lies in one of the minor charges against him, "possessing pornographic videos."

Steele didn't fall for money or false allegiances. He fell to lust, a sex addict whose addiction caused him to make a series of bad choices and live a life of secrets and lies.

Lust fueled by pornography destroyed Lt. Col. William Steele as it does millions of greater and lesser men every year. What he didn't know is that there is a life free of this addiction.

Posted by: b | May 4, 2007 1:13:15 PM | 25

b @ 25

I thought I would grab the last comment from the site you linked to before it gets deleted.

Shame on you for taking this in an entirely inappropriate direction for your own inappropriate goal. Do you believe everything you read? Don’t flog Bill Steele so you can flap your tongue about something you know little of nothing about! Steele’s family and friends stand by him now as ever. I am one of Bill Steele’s friends. I’ve known him for twenty-five years. I have broken bread with him and, shared salt with him in good times and bad times. I’ve consistently served in the same units with him and overseas in combat with him. While he’s not the most popular of officers he’s been doing a very unpopular job. He holds soldiers to doing the right thing at the right time. He’s a professional law enforcement officer and an advocate of keeping the peace. He was doing his job. If he goes down it’s because the government is protecting someone in authority above Steele and hiding another scandal.

This situation is as similar as the September 2003, case against Capt. James J. Yee, the Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo, Cuba wherein all charges were dropped. Steele got too close to knowing and understanding something about the details of the mysterious deaths of several of the detainees that died and transmitted his discoveries to the Red Cross and other U.S. Government authorities. Steele knows something about the lawsuit filed in 2006 by the two FBI agents undercover as American contractors that recently reported prisoner mistreatment. We're going to find that -- like Yee's case -- all the classified and illicit materials etc were items planted in Steele's belongings. Legal council has all ready indicated that the charges of inappropriate relationships with Iraqi women amount to no more than normal business and have nothing to do with sexual relationships. Steele is in a country where Woman’s Right’s were non-existent until recently. It is not hard to see where that trend leads.

Shakespearian? Not at all! It’s Cromwellian.

The complete Idiot’s Guide to the Bible should contain a warning in the inner flap: Not for use by anyone who has no understanding of “Literal Inerrancy” and believes everything they read. Quoting a book that was written in another time and another era for another people is totally inappropriate. He who thinks he knows the mind of God knows very little.
Aver | 05.02.07 - 12:57 pm | #

Posted by: dan of steele | May 4, 2007 3:43:20 PM | 26

dos..exactly my point in 5 and 6.

Posted by: annie | May 4, 2007 4:21:05 PM | 27

This type of exclusion, or for that matter, inclusion of ppl in an ingroup, is typical of sects, where allegiance, loyalty, professed belief, and behavior which is either commandeering or submissive in some pecking order is required.

Naive ppl often need instruction to get it right because the cues one must use are subtle, enmeshed in a network of face-to-face interaction, hidden principles, status that is not spelled out. Unwritten rules can trip one up.

The rule of law in ‘democracies’ is designed (or was) to quash familial, proximal, sect-type functioning in favor of a framework that would permit a great many ppl to interact on an ‘equal’ footing with an unambiguous rule book.

The actions of a Steele conform in part to the old rule-book.

The present US Gvmt. and its shadowy, formless backers, has shown over and over again not only that the body of law - much of it set up in the US itself, freedom, justice, negotiation, etc. including International ‘law’ - no longer pertains.

However, it is impossible for them to state so directly thru pride, hubris, and expediency. That ensures that they become even more ‘sect-like’. The ‘double standard’ is in itself a source of both power and pleasure for those who grasp what is going on.

(The Nazis did not need or want these difficulties. Nor did the USSR communists.)

Once entered on, it is a supremely seductive path, heady and thrilling. For the participants, it seems to guarantee domination, immunity, resting on a tale of ‘rightness’, ‘morality’ of ‘inevitability’, all of it wrapped up in a bright shiny package that ensures they will come out on top.

The good guys are archaic remnants, prime material for scape-goating, vilification, exclusion.

Posted by: Noirette | May 5, 2007 11:27:41 AM | 28

Bill Steele is a good person. He is being railroaded because of the Donald Vance incident.

We now know the Army in Iraq is not only pursuing a failed agenda, they have now turned to cannabalizing their own Officers.

What a sad day for the U S Army.

Posted by: Mo Lubee | May 8, 2007 6:33:43 PM | 29

Wow, Bill Steele is a good person? WTF!! How can you defend someone you don't know? Bravo, it was humorous to read through all of this, but I know of this mans true nature, or atleast how it was 14 years ago. As far as I am concerned, he got off easy. Now he's just getting what he should have years ago, and hopefully he gets it for years to come in Leavenworth, or where ever they send him. They are only downplaying the charges because he IS a high ranking officer. As far as I am concerned, he can burn in hell. Those of you who blindly defend him can join him.

Posted by: wasted youth | May 11, 2007 7:35:20 AM | 30

wasted youth,
How can you condemn someone you don't know? As in "Those of you who blindly defend him can join him."

Do you know anything we do not know and which is of relevance to the discussion you are welcome to share.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | May 11, 2007 11:45:40 AM | 31

I read a bit about the Donald Vance incident and Steele should be punished for that alone.

It is hard for me to have sympathy for any jailor as they are almost always mean and evil people even if they don't start out that way.

Posted by: dan of steele | May 11, 2007 12:25:07 PM | 32

Dan of Steele - you know jack diddly squat about Vance. He's a glory hound trying to line his pockets. Steele, on the other hand, does need to stand trial for the charges. He's not a nice guy at all.

Posted by: JiminyCricket | May 21, 2007 3:39:48 PM | 33

do tell Mr Cricket,

Vance seems to have got a pretty rotten deal while in Iraq. If everyone who has gone to Iraq to make a little extra Jack were to be treated the same way, we would have to build a lot of new prisons there.

and yes, I know nothing about Steele nor Vance except what I read in the papers.

btw, my nick is in no way affiliated with the good Lt Col.

Posted by: dan of steele | May 21, 2007 4:53:24 PM | 34

In response to "wasted youth" (so nice to be anonymous)
"Wow, Bill Steele is a good person? WTF!! How can you defend someone you don't know"...

You need to make sure you know the facts before you babble, my friend. I've known Bill Steele for years. I knew him when he was a Reserve Captain working as a full time Deputy Sheriff here in Spring Hill, Florida. I knew him when our local Sheriff's Department sought retribution for his attempt to arrest a drunk driving deputy from a neighboring county. I knew him when they through that crap trumped up nonsense out of court. I knew him when he when he belonged to our local civic association and served on our Fire District Oversite Committee, and I knew him when he spent endless hours of his off-duty time helping flood victims when we got hit with a hurricane.

Yeah, I know Bill Steele, and I know the military brand of "don't rock the boat" retributory justice on a stick he faces. Bill Steele is an honest man being railroaded,
to cover the asses of his superiors, period.

Posted by: Mo Lubee | May 22, 2007 3:44:18 PM | 35

Mr. Mo Lubee...you obviously are one of the few people who like LTC Steele. Rest assured that those who have served with and under him in the military are less than impressed.

Posted by: JiminyCricket | May 24, 2007 3:56:52 PM | 36

Rest assured that those who have served with and under him in the military are less than impressed.

ha! like you are soooo believable mr cricket.

Posted by: annie | May 24, 2007 4:26:34 PM | 37

Annie, why are you defending Billy boy? You must be the interpreter he was screwing. Nobody else likes the guy.

Posted by: JiminyCricket | May 25, 2007 4:09:26 PM | 38

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