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April 17, 2007
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Britain: Journalists Vote to Boycott Israeli Goods
More please … No Gonzo lying to Congress today – hearing moved to Thursday – gives him some time to prepare for this: EXCLUSIVE: Gonzales Contradicts His Own Testimony
As the U.S. tip-toes into the 4GW counterinsurgency tulips the predictable results. Oh, so this is what the surge means — a surge in U.S. casualties. Patraeus’s plan brings the boys out of their hummers and their bases and onto the street. Being so very late into the game I think the resistance boys will see this more as an invitation, as opposed to a threat — and welcome it. To bad nobody has alerted the american public their gettin’ a whole new war, and not just more of the same. Posted by: anna missed | Apr 17 2007 8:27 utc | 3 Baghdad map. Showing ethnic transition and bombings. The map makes clear Shiite encroachment on neighborhoods and perhaps why bridges have suddenly become important. Posted by: anna missed | Apr 17 2007 8:46 utc | 5 The push-back against AIPAC is getting some power:
Oops, I meant to actually post some thoughts on the ‘War on Terra’ in this thread. Oh well, perhaps a link will do … a few unremarkable thoughts Posted by: Outraged | Apr 17 2007 11:22 utc | 7 @Anna Missed Posted by: Outraged | Apr 17 2007 11:30 utc | 8 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6562259.stm Posted by: Raveheart | Apr 17 2007 11:37 utc | 9 if all 26,000 students were armed this would not have happened – according to the logic of the NRA Posted by: jcairo | Apr 17 2007 11:51 utc | 10 Y’know – growing up in the UK – in the days when “bobbies” didn’t carry guns – and snickering (as the Brits tend to do at lots of people because they feel very superior) at the gun-totting Yankee cops – and the general mayhem and madness of the American ‘gun society’ where someone was liable to pull out a concealed gun on you if you got into an argument on the street – I should agree with you. Posted by: DM | Apr 17 2007 11:51 utc | 11 Folks and friends, from my last post (doo doo) you’ll be able to tell I’m a bit new to this (there’s probably somewhere I can introduce myself off this ‘list thing’ – no offence! – but buggered if I can find it), I was lucky enough to stagger across billmon (I know, in my dreams) some moons ago, when, as a Brit who had lived in Warsaw for 3 years, I was heading for the States thinking they all had shit for brains, but you bar-flies put me right (and I’ve been lurking for some time and know you’re not all American). Posted by: Raveheart | Apr 17 2007 12:12 utc | 12 jcairo @ 10 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 17 2007 12:41 utc | 13 Wotcher, Raveheart. Posted by: Tantalus | Apr 17 2007 12:43 utc | 14 @Raveheart Posted by: Outraged | Apr 17 2007 12:43 utc | 15 I think the NRA might want to investigate Iraq to solidify their argument that an armed populace makes for a ‘polite society.’ Politesse is at the behest of the finger on the trigger, n’est-ce pas? Posted by: Tantalus | Apr 17 2007 12:45 utc | 16 Tantalus, any time, at least they have good ol’ imperial measures this side of the pond 😉 Wherever you’re going, be strong and true to yourself, it’s what this country was built on and I, in whatever small measure, have come to bring back. This place used to have a Constition, for founders’ sake!, Do you think our forbears came here for the weather (which sucks, but badly!), let’s re-invent the ideal Republic. As the Constitution insists. (Excuse me, I just got off the boat) Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 17 2007 13:07 utc | 17 Thanks Outraged @ 15 Posted by: Raveheart | Apr 17 2007 13:23 utc | 18 @b Posted by: Outraged | Apr 17 2007 13:42 utc | 20 A Friendly PSA (public service announcement) from your Uncle… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 17 2007 13:51 utc | 21 Many thanks Barkeep Posted by: Raveheart | Apr 17 2007 13:55 utc | 22 U$A21 Posted by: Raveheart | Apr 17 2007 14:17 utc | 23 b,
Coupled with the Return of Citizen K the other day, and Slothrup’s sitting straight up in his coffin… I think the Neocons’ hands are on the pulse of people’s anger and revulsion with Israel and that they are kickin’ out the jams to head it off. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 17 2007 14:29 utc | 24 Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi interviews Seymour Hersh: Cheney’s Nemesis
“I really think he thinks democracy is the answer.” Posted by: ran | Apr 17 2007 17:00 utc | 26 Ran @ 26 Posted by: Raveheart | Apr 17 2007 17:45 utc | 27 a couple articles to give a flavor for the first round of polling in nigeria last w/e. the presidential election is this w/e.
Human Rights Watch: Polls Marred By Violence, Fraud
Posted by: b real | Apr 17 2007 18:36 utc | 28 I don’t think Hersh fell for the Bush pushed democracy thing – whatever democracy means to Bush Posted by: jcairo | Apr 17 2007 18:44 utc | 29 washington post blog reporting that kucinich has published a letter indicating he will begin impeachment proceedings on cheney after the furor dies down over virginia tech. Posted by: conchita | Apr 17 2007 18:48 utc | 30 anna missed 3 Oh, so this is what the surge means — a surge in U.S. casualties. Posted by: annie | Apr 17 2007 18:50 utc | 31 secrecynews: Special Operations Command: A Twenty Year History
Posted by: b real | Apr 17 2007 18:58 utc | 32 “it is a measure that would more easily provide for a much smaller force such as the occupation to be able to conquer, by any means, even genocide, a much larger area. how else can a force of a couple 100 thousand control a city of 6 million“. Posted by: pb | Apr 17 2007 21:49 utc | 33 i don’t sling around nazi references. it seems quite clear there are those who will not be satisfied w/anything from iraq except what they came for. as long as there are iraqis that will never give up, and i assume the invader knows their will be, they are preparing for the inevitable. do i think their desire and intention is to wipe them all out? not neccessarily. but comeon,, we’ve all heard the ‘make a desert call it peace’ plan. so yeah, if they don’t get their submission, this is the outcome and the gating is the preparation for it. i don’t think hitler would have been satisfied w/merely having jews in submission. so no, i don’t think it’s the same. is it as bad. well hell yeah. either one believes the invasion was and is ‘clean’ or you assume it is taking advantage of every single crime warriors sign up for, including false flag operations, instigating the civil war, the whole ball of wax. i think there is an element, not neccessarily including every member of the military, but certainly members of the cia or mossad or whatever intelligence options they have, that is willing to stop at nothing for their aims. Posted by: annie | Apr 17 2007 22:02 utc | 34 I know that some posters here posted, on Steve Gilliard’s New’s Blog, like me, because of his intelligent and emotional views. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Apr 17 2007 22:07 utc | 35 Why is the Peace Movement Silent About AIPAC?
Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 18 2007 1:15 utc | 36 cp- what happened to him? I followed the link and from what I can gather, he had a stroke and also had to have an artificial heart valve? Posted by: fauxreal | Apr 18 2007 1:17 utc | 37 New threat to skilled U.S. workers
And you think the madness of spring, the VT shooting, and the ME is bad now, wait until middle aged white guys start losing their mortgages, marriages, and 401 k’s/life savings. There will be hundreds of VT incidences every frickin day. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 18 2007 1:48 utc | 38 sounds like things are heating up again in somalia after failure of the ethiopians to agree to begin withdrawals from the country. the fighting is reportedly heavy in the north tuesday night.
Posted by: b real | Apr 18 2007 4:59 utc | 40 The “unintentional” apartheid: IDF probing whether Hebron street ‘intentionally’ closed
Haaretz editorial by Amira Hass: The Holocaust as political asset
Hmm – Electronic Attack Squadron CO Relieved
What did or didn’t the guy do? @38 – while the silly detritus of the left keeps fixating on wars elsewhere & racism…yea, screw nationalism, screw Americans…or as Slothrop would say “you just hate Mexicans”… Posted by: jj | Apr 18 2007 9:19 utc | 43 Just saw in a swedish paper that Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait has closed/is closing their borders for iraqi refugees. No mention of other countries, so I guess people can still flee to Syria, Iran and Turkey. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Apr 18 2007 10:59 utc | 44 Interesting (long) read with a global overview (but missing Africa): Imperial Sunset? askod @44
april 16: Somaliland and Puntland troops face off in Harad, north Somalia
in mogadishu, the heavy fighting of last night calmed down by morning today. shabelle is reporting that at least ten were killed.
Posted by: b real | Apr 18 2007 14:38 utc | 46 b,
That has to change. It will not be a moment too soon.
Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 18 2007 15:09 utc | 47 Some center-left blogs have flagged a report by Lawrence J. Korb from the Center for American Progress. He was five days in Iraq on some evaluation mission.
Najaf? The Sunni Scholars? al-Sadr and Sistani?
To use IRAQI money for the occupation – now that would certainly help … speaking of larry korb..military news
has anyone here posted about the 200 deaths from market bombings in iraq today? my god. what if this is just the beginning? Posted by: annie | Apr 19 2007 0:40 utc | 50 y’know, i find all these bombings in sadr city more than a little suspicious given that sadr represents the biggest threat to the US in iraq presently. this morning i was reviewing our earlier build up to vietnam when the cia backed Trình Minh Thế Posted by: annie | Apr 19 2007 1:07 utc | 51 annie : Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 19 2007 2:08 utc | 52 Plan b? Dumbest fucking idea these pinheads have come up with yet, or since strategic hamlets, or since Hamlet. Posted by: anna missed | Apr 19 2007 2:35 utc | 53 And speaking of dumb fucking ideas, anybody watching the unfathomable descent into propaganda PBS series “Crossroads”? So far, puts FOX to shame, like following richard perle all over the globe like a starving child begging for crumbs from the master. I haven’t got so pissed at the TV since dennis miller was on the lenno show wacking off to the codpiece, just after the invasion. If you’re suffering from low blood pressure, I recommend it. Posted by: anna missed | Apr 19 2007 2:48 utc | 54 If you’re suffering from low blood pressure, I recommend it. Posted by: annie | Apr 19 2007 3:10 utc | 55 Oh, it gets better…
Question: As I look over the above post, I find myself wondering — are these three separate short stories, or are we dealing with three chapters of a single, much larger tale? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19 2007 3:21 utc | 56 Crap…I didn’t preview, here’s what should have been in my last post: Question: As I look over the above post, I find myself wondering — are these three separate short stories, or are we dealing with three chapters of a single, much larger tale? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19 2007 3:25 utc | 57 interesting to note that no one here has mentioned the scotus decision today which basically banned abortions beyond the first trimester without taking into consideration health risks for the mother. they have basically said that women are second class citizens. damn the 18 dems who voted for cloture on alito. Posted by: conchita | Apr 19 2007 3:35 utc | 58 From your link $cam:
What we need is a US Senator with Americans’ interest at heart to depose Edmunds and put all of her testimony on record. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 19 2007 4:18 utc | 59 “like following richard perle all over the globe like a starving child begging for crumbs from the master.” Posted by: pb | Apr 19 2007 4:29 utc | 60 Infiltrated security company!? Bombs Rip Through Baghdad, Killing 171
Yes, Conchita. I’ve been checking regularly hoping against hope that there was one person around here who wasn’t a card-carrying woman hater. Having monitored this place for so long, I’m hardly surprised that’s not the case. Do you have any links to the list of the 18. I trust that’ll sink HC’s campaign, as she helped put these woman-burning fascists on the court. Posted by: jj | Apr 19 2007 7:43 utc | 62 PART ONE (Damn typepad and it three link bar)
For some reason all this reminds me of the ghoulishness of the Authentic Happiness movement. In that it places the blame for the suffering squarely on the sufferer, with full knowledge that situational depression comes from being trapped, like one of Martin Seligman’s dogs tied up and waiting for the torturer. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19 2007 7:59 utc | 63 Part Two Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19 2007 8:01 utc | 64 jj Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 19 2007 8:15 utc | 66
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19 2007 8:27 utc | 67 @jj (#62) Posted by: Monolycus | Apr 19 2007 8:38 utc | 68 Some background on the Sadr splinter groups, along with the Global Guerrilla perspective:
Posted by: anna missed | Apr 19 2007 8:47 utc | 69 interesting to note that no one here has mentioned the scotus decision today Posted by: annie | Apr 19 2007 9:48 utc | 70
Posted by: jcairo | Apr 19 2007 10:23 utc | 72 I’m hardly surprised that’s not the case. Posted by: annie | Apr 19 2007 11:09 utc | 73 many are lashing out at the Supremes for this decision completely overlooking the fact that it is law made by a Republican controlled congress headed by a Republican president. The Republicans ran on an anti abortion/no choice platform and were elected. Every Republican woman who voted for this and every other woman who could not be bothered to vote at all are just as much if not more to blame for this predicament than are men. Posted by: dan of steele | Apr 19 2007 11:14 utc | 74 If I were of the female gender I’d call and schedule my next pap smear at my local Senate office building. Imagine hundreds, nay, thousands, of women jamming the offices with bodies and telecommunications systems (read telephone/e-mail) with requests for an exam by their law makers all across the nation in smartmob fashion as protest.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19 2007 11:20 utc | 75 Is The CIA Trying to Kill Hugo Chávez?
Posted by: b real | Apr 19 2007 14:32 utc | 76 Somalia: Mogadishu warlord promoted to chief of police
aideed’s son, hussein aideed, as i’ve pointed out earlier, is a u.s. citizen, ex-marine, a dissident official in the current somali govt, and there is, naturally, some question of how his ties w/ the u.s. factor into his actions.
that was the AFP account (who mispell ‘aideed’). here’s one from the eritrean ministry of information.
Posted by: b real | Apr 19 2007 15:15 utc | 77 Video and (some) text: ‘So Many Wrongs To Right’: Helen Thomas At McDaniel College Mortars folks, mortars …
How many Israeli Generals consult the US Army? mccain’s response to question about u.s. tensions with iran: Posted by: conchita | Apr 19 2007 21:23 utc | 80 b real @76 – Posted by: small coke | Apr 19 2007 22:19 utc | 81 Help! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 19 2007 23:51 utc | 83 melamine tainted corn gluten now found in south african dog food. like the wheat and rice gluten it appears to be from a chinese source. and it seems even more likely that it is being fed to hogs which are then eaten by humans. link to goldy at horses ass Posted by: conchita | Apr 20 2007 0:12 utc | 84 sorry uncle, nothing comes to mind other than not being impressed by watching him operate at his briefings. never seemed to thrilled to be there or have to elaborate outside the main talking points. checking his watch. etc… if you get the chance, punch him for me. 😉 Posted by: b real | Apr 20 2007 2:08 utc | 85 From the Daily Times, April 20, 2007
Uncle (#83), you have a good brain so you probably don’t need suggestions regarding questions for Richard Boucher. I do have these most basic questions regarding Afghanistan: Posted by: Rick | Apr 20 2007 2:51 utc | 86 http://www.waynemadsenreport.com, April 19, 2007 Posted by: Rick | Apr 20 2007 3:09 utc | 87 I don’t know how much credence to give this report Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Apr 20 2007 5:02 utc | 88 One more candidate question. It will of course be brushed aside, but they often visibly squirm in the process. Posted by: DM | Apr 20 2007 8:51 utc | 89 America, in the eyes of the world, in two short paragraphs.
Posted by: DM | Apr 20 2007 9:12 utc | 90 |
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