Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 29, 2007
Neocon Barack Obama

When Obama held his big Foreign Policy speech last Monday, I didn’t bother to read it. But yesterday the Washington Post editors lauded it. A good reason to get suspicious and today Robert Kagan has fun with some damning Obama quotes:

Obama talks about "rogue nations," "hostile dictators," "muscular alliances" and maintaining "a strong nuclear deterrent." He talks about how we need to "seize" the "American moment." We must "begin the world anew." This is realism? This is a left-liberal foreign policy?

Kagan works for McCain, who probably would have little chance in a run against Obama. So there is his motive for some selective quoting. But in fact Kagan is right. Reading the speech now, there is some stuff I could support, but I find the basic philosophy behind it very wrong.

Obama wants a bigger Army even while he wants to pull out of Iraq. The U.S. has to have enough to fight two war and defend the "homeland" he says. Wars against whom and why?

No President should ever hesitate to use force – unilaterally if necessary – to protect ourselves and our vital interests when we are attacked or imminently threatened.

"Imminently threatened vital interests," what might those be? Who will define those?

Why should, as he says, more in the U.S. military learn Arabic, Mandarin, Hindi, Urdu, or Korean. Do those languages reflect his hit list?

We have heard much over the last six years about how America’s larger purpose in the world is to promote the spread of freedom – that it is the yearning of all who live in the shadow of tyranny and despair.

I agree. But this yearning is not satisfied by simply deposing a dictator and setting up a ballot box. The true desire of all mankind is not only to live free lives, but lives marked by dignity and opportunity; by security and simple justice.

Delivering on these universal aspirations requires basic sustenance like food and clean water; medicine and shelter. It also requires a society that is supported by the pillars of a sustainable democracy – a strong legislature, an independent judiciary, the rule of law, a vibrant civil society, a free press, and an honest police force. It requires building the capacity of the world’s weakest states and providing them what they need to reduce poverty, build healthy and educated communities, develop markets, and generate wealth.

Only the methods are currently wrong he says. But the U.S. mania of "spreading freedom" and "democracy" is just the same.

How does he know other people do want this "freedom"? Do they want it the way he understands it? Will he ask the Chalabi’s of his time to find out?

I can not even see logic in the argument. Is "opportunity" a "universal asperation"? Dignity, security, justice, food, water, medicine and shelter can certainly be secured by a benevolent dictatorship – they don’t require "democracy." Especially when the alternative is the U.S. Army "spreading freedom." Indeed, talk to some homeless folks in our streets and ask them how "democracy" has delivered on Obama’s list.

Maybe I am falling for Kagan’s trick here, but I do get some very disturbing feelings whenever I read such idealism.

Obama lauds the US troops in Djibouti for distributing food and it sounds so nice. But Djibouti is the place U.S. Air Force AC-130 gunship recently started to kill civilians in Somalia. To fight for U.S. "interests" is the only reason why U.S. troops are there and it is what they do.

Maybe such rethoric is needed to get the votes for becoming President. But maybe Obama really believes in what he says. What would then be the difference between him and the neocons?

Those, you might remember, are mostly former idealistic lefties too.

Comments

It’s all Woodrow Wilson.

Posted by: Rowan | Apr 29 2007 17:00 utc | 1

there is a lot resting on people’s trust in obama’s integrity. whether that he is worthy of that trust is questionable.

Posted by: annie | Apr 29 2007 17:12 utc | 2

There is no revolution permitted within the system. Every candidate for office, across the land, is filtered and vetted ahead of time by “the business interests of the community” to eliminate any systemic reformers.
Those who well understand that the way things work needs to continue working without abatement are then funded by the business community unto election, and typically endless reelection. This is how it is in every city, county, State and at the Federal level in America. What’s good for business is good for America.
Populist talk is always wonderfully received, but there are only two sons of bitches who actually did it big in the past hundred year stretch — Huey Long and Jimmy Carter. They both walked around (quite literally) meeting folks and garnering genuine grassroots support, which landed them in office largely free of the many strings that business monies attach to candidates.
Obama is no son of a bitch. Like Hillary, he’s well vetted and filtered and funded by the usual sources. The key difference between these two is Obama’s populist credentials, which he is swiftly eroding with this kind of speech.
America is at a fork in the road, a dividing point in its 230-year career of Manifest Destiny. Never mind our plans for two wars at once. We will not be permitted to wage endless resource wars around the globe — the civilized world is already applying economic restraints on that option. Economic realities applied from abroad, and cropping up at home, are crimping the Empire’s style already. There will be no need for other nations to militarily confront us — just to stop lending to us, even if it hurts them. That still hurts less than open warfare.
America’s grand choice is not being discussed as such right now, but it is moving like a hidden tsunami through the unwashed multitude.
As, and when, America is effectively denied world conquest both economically and militarily during this next decade, the essential choice people here will be making, in a thousand different ways, will be centered on “Who Are We?”
Are we organized as a nation in order to conquer and grab and get what we want from this man’s world? Are all our widows and orphans just collateral damage to be ignored and set aside?
Or are we organized as a nation in order to make and invent and improve our people’s lot?

Posted by: Antifa | Apr 29 2007 17:24 utc | 3

Watching the Democrats is good fun these days, because they make Republicans look bad, and I take pleasure in watching Republicans look bad (hardly a sign of strong political thinking).
But Democrats are not going to change our foreign policies or our defense policies. They are not going to withdraw our troops from Iraq, and thinking that they might do so is wishful thinking.
In fact it’s worse than weak thinking; it’s irresponsible thinking.

Posted by: alabama | Apr 29 2007 17:58 utc | 4

what antifa sd

Posted by: r’giap | Apr 29 2007 19:05 utc | 5

Seventy years ago this week Guernica was bombed by scientifically minded Germans that wanted to find out what would the result of flattening a city by bombing be. A few years later scientific Americans flattened the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki for the same scientific purpose. Those cities had not been touched by the war so the effect of a nuclear bomb could be studied in all its scientific purity without contamination from extraneous events. There you have what the reality based society accomplishes, it does not want to be confused by complex data, let’s bomb and study. I make these remarks because there is among the ‘reality based thinkers” the idea that somehow science is a good without realizing or not wanting to realize that science like any other human activity has to be sheperded with the GOOD on sight. Science is not enough, science is not more than a technique somewhat distant from plumbing but not by much.

Posted by: jlcg | Apr 29 2007 19:11 utc | 6

Ah, and there is the opposite camp that science is bad. It is just a tool like a hammer. I can build you a house with it or beat your head in…

Posted by: jcairo | Apr 29 2007 19:21 utc | 7

The main difference is that Obama seeks to do all of this in a larger cooperative framework that takes the interests, concerns, and views of other nations into account, not just in a listening way but in an adapting way. So, no Iraq war as a demonstration effect, no scuttling of treaties, and so on. Instead, war only in response to real threats, reform of international institutions, a real quest for legitimacy, etc. That’s the difference, as far as I can tell anyway.

Posted by: O Utis | Apr 29 2007 19:42 utc | 8

US elections (at the Prez level) are largely a kind of county fair for testosterone. The loudest willy-waver wins by bragging as fulsomely as possible about Amurka’s superiority of arms (justified by its benevolent mission and manifest destiny). It really helps if he’s an ex-soldier and has killed a fairly large number of Furriners. A manly interest in huntin’ and fishin’ never hurts. Football metaphors are always good for some extra votes. All same as when Teddy R was elected, advised (just like W) to make over his personal image into a Western outdoorsman icon. Wave a gun and talk about he-man stuff like Defending the Women and Children (those same ones that your gov’t is quite happy to see starving on your streets, but when did a little reality ever interfere with a good fantasy?). How FDR ever managed to get into the WH is a mystery of history… this may explain why Hillary spends so much time channeling Maggie (the Iron Lady shtick) — gotta talk tougher and meaner than the boys to play in their sandbox/clubhouse.
The world’s cop? ha. More like the world’s frat house.
[sorry for the unrelenting negativity — in a really sour mood. time to get outdoors.]

Posted by: DeAnander | Apr 29 2007 20:09 utc | 9

Science is not childless. Its offspring is applied science, or technology.
The thing that causes problems as it solves problems as it causes problems as it solves problems as it . . .
You’d think this can go on forever, but no. A Singularity approaches . . .

Posted by: Antifa | Apr 29 2007 20:33 utc | 10

DeAnander: FDR being elected is hardly a mystery. The Great Depression made it easy for the nominee from the opposite party to win. He didn’t come out of nowhere, he was the Governor of New York.
The true mystery is how people continue to romanticize his failed economic policies. It took the worst war in the history to pull the country out. I shouldn’t be surprised, two hundred years after Adam Smith people still believe in exploitation theory.

Posted by: nemov | Apr 29 2007 21:00 utc | 11

It’s the The White House Putsch
Nuff said,…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 29 2007 21:26 utc | 12

Looks like Ron Paul and Gravel were banned from the upcoming debates. This race was decided long ago..it’s all a show at this point.

Posted by: JJ | Apr 29 2007 21:33 utc | 13

it’s always just a show, professional wrestling, else no paperless voting machines would exist.

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 29 2007 22:27 utc | 14

From the cliff’s edge I don’t see us taking more than a step in one direction or the other – a huge leap away from the drop just isn’t going to happen. As long as this next step is back and not forward we’ll have bought some time. The ultimate result might be the same, and it doesn’t mean a lot of lives might not still be destroyed, but if we go over the cliff, pretty much everybody is going to be dragged with us.
If an Obama administration would be the same as Bush/Cheney minus only the messianism, petulance, paranoia and desire for absolute and perpetual personal power it would still be a significant improvement.

Posted by: mats | Apr 29 2007 22:31 utc | 15

not significant enough for me

Posted by: annie | Apr 29 2007 23:22 utc | 16

nemov- can you explain what “exploitation theory” is? and also, can you list the causes of the depression…I believe they went back quite a few years before FDR.
Is “exploitation theory” another phrase for “social democracy” — that failed experiment in europe that provides them with a higher standard of living for Americans, that has world agencies noting that France has the best medical care system in the world…one that Great Britain was studying to see how to make something work…
anyway, I’ve never heard of “exploitation theory” and I would appreciate it if you could provide me with some data that explains this. Is it like “intelligent design?”

Posted by: fauxreal | Apr 29 2007 23:52 utc | 17

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The exploitation theory is the Marxist theory that profit is the result of the exploitation of wage earners by their employers.
It rests on the labor theory of value which claims that value is intrinsic in a product according to the amount of labor that has been spent on producing the product. Thus the value of a product is created by the workers who made that product and reflected in its finished price. The income from this finished price is then divided between labor (wages), capital (profit), and expenses on raw materials. The wages received by workers do not reflect the full value of their work, because some of that value is taken by the employer in the form of profit. Therefore, “making a profit” essentially means taking away from the workers some of the value that results from their labor. This is what is known as capitalist exploitation.

wikipedia

Posted by: annie | Apr 30 2007 0:01 utc | 18

I read the speech and it feeds most of the delusions that got us into the political fix we’re in. Matt Stoller wrote that the whole thing was framed around national security issues, and was otherwise disappointing. Antifa has the right ideas about what’s going on. I hope we don’t see a transparently scripted outcome for the Democratic nominee as primary elections approach. I have read a comment somewhere that said that Obama has “a subtle mind”; and I believe that he does. The country could do a lot worse; but I am worried about the Big Institutional Money that’s lined up behind him.
Those psychological experts who put together election strategy may be thinking that Bush/Cheney have alarmed Americans to such a degree, that what is required now is a soft-spoken voice, the calming reassurance of an integrated personality, a comprehensive and comprehensible intellect, and rhetoric that doesn’t rise rabidly to jingoistic bait.
Probably we will hear snide comments that Obama (Manchurian Candidate) is just a little too perfectly tailored to this psychological profile, with every “i dotted” and every “t crossed”. But of course, if he actually wins the nomination and becomes the Democratic candidate, he’s not going to be packaged as one of those mild-mannered guests on Sesame Street, who sings a duet with Big Bird. Not for the most part.
No. If Obama becomes a contender, I can see where the suits in the DLC Party Machine will want to take him. Only a deranged party, catering to a deranged public, would nominated Hillary. She is serving as a Scarecrow. Obama is the 21st Century hip, black (which makes him even hipper), handsome, intelligent and sophisticated New Jack Kennedy. Neoliberalism your day has come. I think Obama would sweep the General Election against any Republican opponent.

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 30 2007 0:05 utc | 19

Obama, Phony Anti-War Candidate: Kucinich, the Real Deal

This is not a man of peace: this is an imperialist bent on further expansionism. Obama pratters on about the need to avoid “bullying” other countries – but bullying is precisely what armies, navies and air forces are all about. Obama talks sweetly but wants to carry an even bigger stick than George Bush. All he promises is that he will be more judicious and thoughtful in using that bigger stick. History shows such promises are never sincerely made, and are never, ever kept.
Barack Obama is busy trying to prove that he is a statesman. There is no reason to doubt that he wants to run the American state, and for the Americans to run the world. All Obama really promises is to be a better, smarter imperialist – one with a much bigger military, if anybody decides to disagree. That’s the definition of an imperial statesman.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 30 2007 0:07 utc | 20

quotes from nationalist statesmen
vs our current dreamers

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 30 2007 0:30 utc | 21

I shouldn’t be surprised, two hundred years after Adam Smith people still believe in exploitation theory.
Smith Did Not Have a Labour Theory of Value for Commercial Society

I admit that reading this particular Blog (Cannonfire), I am no wiser as to its role or what it is about. Buried in an article about Abraham Lincoln and his alleged statements about corporations, I found a repetition of the usual claim that Adam Smith ‘believed’ in the labour theory of value, which has the singular virtue that it is widely believed, but no other. It is not true, especially when it is linked, as in this case, to Karl Marx.
big clip…
He speaks here of the commercial age and not the ‘rude’ hunting age, because this definition applies after the division of labour ‘has thoroughly taken place’, and he makes the logical assertion that in this state each person supplies from his own labour only a small part of his needs and, necessarily, he must obtain what else he needs from others. In these circumstances their richness or poorness depends on the labour of others each can command by what they can ‘purchase’ from what their own labour can purchase from the products they own and which they can supply to others in exchange for the products owned by them. It is the command of other people’s products through the exchange of products that people already own (irrespective of what they cost in labour), or what they can get for what they can trade, irrespective of the supposed labour ‘embodied’, so to speak, within them, that constitutes Smith’s theory of exchangeable value. It is no longer a labour theory of value.

hmmmm

Posted by: annie | Apr 30 2007 0:30 utc | 22

oh crap

Posted by: annie | Apr 30 2007 0:31 utc | 23

poor annie.
😉

Posted by: beq | Apr 30 2007 0:51 utc | 24

Has anyone noted that when Obama answered a challenge from Gravel about nuclear bombing being immoral and about our evasion of treaty commitments to reduce the U.S. arsenal, Obama said:
“I’m not planning to nuke anybody right now, Mike.”
WTF, is this guy batshit too!?
it’s at the very end of the 6:23 vid

Posted by: citizen | Apr 30 2007 1:00 utc | 25

On “value”
It’s important to note that since WWII, starting with Britain, the meaning of “value” as defined by governments has switched to mean “that which can be used to fund a war or a war debt.” Marilyn Waring has made that much clear in her writings.
This is why one can say that a mother who raises, cleans, feeds, etc. a family without getting paid for it creates no value, but a trader who executes trades all day long creates immense value. This is why people talk of the exchange theory of value, because they see exchange as NOT labor, somehow a transcendent activity that has nothing to do with the body. Clearly, however, an economic logic designed under the aegis of paying for war as the great VALUE, will also quickly push the world into perpetual war, because that’s what such an economics is designed (yes designed by people) to enable.
In short, the question is not whether labor is the only thing that creates value. The question is what do you value?

Posted by: citizen | Apr 30 2007 1:16 utc | 26

It seems like you’re making a mountain out of a molehill, citizen. I saw that exchange on TV; and Gravel couched the question in a very out of control, immature way, as “Who are you planning to nuke?
Obama deflected it with humor. What else could he do?

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 30 2007 1:22 utc | 27

Deflected it with “humor”… letting slip the unstated intentions of all the “top tier” as Mike called them.
“Oh then we’re safe for awhile,” retorted Mike.
From the very first paragraphs of the speech that b linked…

We all know that these are not the best of times for America’s reputation in the world. We know what the war in Iraq has cost us in lives and treasure, in influence and respect. We have seen the consequences of a foreign policy based on a flawed ideology, and a belief that tough talk can replace real strength and vision.
Many around the world are disappointed with our actions. And many in our own country have come to doubt either our wisdom or our capacity to shape events beyond our borders. Some have even suggested that America’s time has passed.

… it is clear that Barack’s (and Hillary’s) chief “misgiving” about the conduct of the war in Iraq is that it has been unsuccessful.
That the threat of US armed intervention has been devalued as a consequence, that now the resort to “nukes” may have to be made… if the US is to remain the sword with which to make the world safe for American corporations and to smite Israel’s enemies.
But there is one thing that they are thankful and indebted to the “opposing” Neocons for : they have put the bestial, the unthinkable, what had been banished to the furthest recesses of the American mind, squarely on the table.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 30 2007 1:57 utc | 28

Remember the daisy ad that Johnson used against Goldwater?
Mike ought to ressurect that one, run it up the flag pole and see if anyone salutes.
Obama and Hillary as Early Barry Goldwater.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 30 2007 2:08 utc | 29

Copeland,
It’s only “funny” if you fail to think it through.
But it only happens if you fail to think it through too – if you fail to see the fried people, the dead cities, and the generations of genetic poisoning. I’m horrified by this kind of looseness with horror, this kind of humor. It’s a psychopathic moment.
Children who say this kind of thing are often lucky, because their parents might talk to them till they grasp the horror of what they said. Who will tell Obama? Or any other candidate who keeps “all options on the table”?
No one.
We’re better off with a President revolted by the matter, not one entertained.

Posted by: citizen | Apr 30 2007 2:48 utc | 30

Copeland,
FWIW, I agree with you: I am making a mountain of a molehill.
It’s just that I think that if this molehill get’s to be the President’s, it will grow. A stitch in time, and all that.

Posted by: citizen | Apr 30 2007 3:02 utc | 31

Doesn’t this say enough?
Well, in a word, no. There’s more, so much more.
In short, from distilling the comments thus far in this thread, it seems clear that there is a consensus of opinion that there very well may be a power above and beyond the groomed show dogs, whom are trotted out for us to admire and be entertained by.
VanityFair report:(pdf)
Washington’s $8 Billion Shadow
SAIC

One of the great staples of the modern Washington movie is the dark and ruthless corporation whose power extends into every cranny around the globe, whose technological expertise is without peer, whose secrets are unfathomable, whose riches defy calculation, and whose network of allies, in and out of government, is held together by webs of money, ambition, and fear.
You’ve seen this movie a dozen times. Men in black coats step from limousines on wintry days and refer guardedly to unspeakable things.
Surveillance cameras and eavesdropping devices are everywhere. Data scrolls across the movie screen in digital fonts. Computer keyboards clack softly. Seemingly honorable people at the summit of power—Cabinet secretaries, war heroes, presidents—turn out to be pathetic pawns of forces greater than anyone can imagine. And at the pinnacle of this dark and ruthless corporation is a relentless and well-tailored titan—omniscient, ironic, merciless—played by someone like Christopher Walken or Jon Voight.

The McLean, Virginia, offices of Science Applications International Corporation a “stealth company” with 9,000 government contracts, many of which involve secret intelligence work.

The MIC.
Only decades later; richer, a hundred fold more savvy and technologically advanced. And they have and will maneuver, exploit, direct, massage, manipulate, coerce, blackmail and murder. They have done it for decades. And they, as evidenced by this very longrunning project, indeed, comprised of a grandiose plot to try to control the world.
Or they will destroy it trying.
They decide. They decide, whom will be the favored show dog for your consumption. That is until they decide to do away with the state-of-the art multiplex theater known as reality. The grand experiment of America .

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 30 2007 3:27 utc | 32

citizen,
I was born in 1946. When I came into this world all the options were already on the table. I remember the Cuban Missle Crisis, sitting around the TV with my sisters and my parents, the atmosphere was heavy with mortality. I was just a kid, but I “got it”. But maybe, just maybe, Obama wasn’t making light of megadeath or the imagined specter of smoldering cities and people. Perhaps what he found funny was Gravel’s suggestion that he (Obama) would reduce the earth to a charcoal briquet at the drop of a cowboy hat.

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 30 2007 3:41 utc | 33

goddamn typepad… it was in the preview.
The MIC (Military Industrial Complex).

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 30 2007 3:47 utc | 34

I’d be so much more assured that you were right if he hadn’t said “right now.”
But with that blithe phrase, I saw in him so many of my contemporaries and their post-Cuban Missile Crisis oddly disciplined habit of imagining nuclear strikes as just another way to kick some ass.
Some lighthearted epistemes on human value that have come out of the University of Chicago:
The Manhattan Project
The Chicago School of Economics
John M. Olin Program in Law and Economics
— Barack Obama?

Posted by: citizen | Apr 30 2007 4:02 utc | 35

Another throw away: Politicization of DOJ – Josh Marshall Breaks Through the Bull while the poster highlighted a different, but simular empahasis, within it, I’d like to hightlight this one:

This, I think, is an example of, a lot of people say, ‘Well, they’re political appointees.’ There’s a difference, though, between being a political appointee and putting a political operative in charge of a U.S. attorney’s office.

As I have said before, it matters not one wit whom they pick, (personally, I believe Obama would be filled with bullet holes before he could ever be sworn in ) But I digress, even if Bush leaves office in 2009 it largely won’t matter: They have purged and stacked the CIA and NSA with “sleeper cells”; they have infiltrated and permeated the Pentagon ; they have appointed loyalists for a lifetime to the Supreme Court; they have appointed operatives for a lifetime to the State Department (and appointed for life to the Justice Department in non-administration positions They have been appointed to Federal Prosecutor positions (let’s remember: the real scandal is not the Federal Prosecutors who were fired, but the ones who weren’t fired because they’re loyalists). They continue no matter whose in office. And like a network, the route around what they perceive as blocks to their agenda. They have Trillions of (our) dollars and an army of think tanks and methodical industrial scientist’s (mostly compartmentalized)on need to know basis who’s job it is to calculate and antiseptically analyze how to control and manage the population.
The purpose of a system is what it does. By enforcing the boundary of illegal memes. They Rule.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 30 2007 4:20 utc | 36

But “everybody knows the dice are loaded,” as Leonard Cohen sings. “Everybody knows that the captain lied.” Everybody knows there will be no accountability for those who authored this desecration: (Not from the democrats or anyone else they will continue the plans*) Bush and his dithering outrider, Tony Blair, two murderous mountebanks dripping with self-anointed piety. Bush will retire with his millions to putter about on his fake ranch, while Blair, robed in ermine, will ascend to the House of Lords — and no doubt to a plum post with the Carlyle Group or some other fine purveyor of backroom grease. So it will be with the other perpetrators, like Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Paul Wolfowitz: nothing but riches, honors, security and respect, until death drags them howling to the pit where they’ve sent so many countless thousands.
And the next pick will step in –as if off the bench of a pro game– fresh and ready to continue the game; even into overtime, if Bush nukes Iran on his way out.
*But that’s another story.
It wont be Gravel. I suspect he’s a plant, –a potted one at that…lol –(pun intended).
From another board:
Gravel’s presence in the race accomplishes several strategic features:
(1) Divides the “far Left” vote and saps support for Kucinich and potentially Edwards.
(2) Provides comic relief and soundbites to generate attention for the Democratic field
(3) Positions Clinton & Obama as center Right
(4) Provides Clinton with her opportunity for a “Sister Souljah Moment” when you hear her linked with “George Soros MoveOn.org Michael Moore blah blah blah blah blah.” [*Note: During her presidency, Hugo Chavez’s assassination will provide Hillary with her long-sought Neocon Street Cred, or at least her attempt to appease the Neocons.]
Gravel may also parallel the 1980 campaign of John Anderson ; however, I still predict that the spoiler of the 2008 Presidential race will be McCain/Lieberman’s National Unity Party or Giuliani/Gingrich. Gravel won’t allow himself to be accused of being the spoiler that Nader was accused of being in 2000 (but wasn’t; Gore won, and the Supreme Court’s decision in Bush V. Gore had nothing to do with Nader). It’s extremely likely that Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack — a long-time friend of the Clintons — was drafted by the DLC (or the Clintons) to announce his Democratic candidacy for President for the sole purpose of creating the most artificially early start of a Presidential race in U.S. history. Vilsack’s announcement provided an opportunity for Hillary, Obama & others to announce their candidacies early also, without taking any heat for being the first to announce so early. Vilsack’s campaign lasted only a few weeks before Vilsack dropped-out and formally announced his endorsement of (surprise) Hillary Clinton.
Gravel’s candidacy also echoes the 2004 run of Al Sharpton, who promoted many of the same positions and accomplished similar strategic effects on the 2004 candidate field.
Kucinich has already lost it for many with his gun ban proposal among other issues. Like it or not. Americans love their guns. And he’s just to weird, with his trophy wife and freakish manners. This will not be a race about ideals.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 30 2007 5:20 utc | 37

I remember the Cuban Missle Crisis, sitting around the TV with my sisters and my parents, the atmosphere was heavy with mortality.
I remember that too. That was in the days of Mutually Assured Destruction. Now the Neocons in Washington and Tel Aviv have conned themselves into thinking they can fight an asymmetric, a “limited” nuclear war. That a nuclear war can be “won”.
Their hired hands, their smooth and trendy spokespeople, Barack and Hillary, are trying to convince us of the same thing. Hey, just give us a chance to prove our theory. Trust us, it’ll be a cakewalk.
I remember someone screaming that you cannot petition the lord with prayer. Well I don’t think you can do so either.
I KNOW you cannot win a nuclear war.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 30 2007 5:22 utc | 38

I remember someone screaming that you cannot petition the lord with prayer.
jim morrison?

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 30 2007 5:59 utc | 39

“. . . me, I expected it to happen
I knew he’d lost control
When he built a fire on Main Street
And shot it full of holes.”

~ Memphis Blues Again, Bob Dylan

Posted by: Antifa | Apr 30 2007 6:20 utc | 40

$cam:
These “everyone knows…” soliliquies strike me as advance absolution. It all went down because “everybody knew” nothing could be done.
The deck was staked against us.
The fix was in.
The Illuminati were in control.
Do you have b-o-r-n to l-o-s-e tattooed on your knuckles?

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 30 2007 6:47 utc | 41

Do you have b-o-r-n to l-o-s-e tattooed on your knuckles?
Nah, love on one hand and hate on the other...
.lol

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 30 2007 7:19 utc | 42

me too.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 30 2007 7:39 utc | 43

Among other things stacked against the non-illuminati is the melting ice of Greenland and West Antarctica and the increasing motherlode on East Antarctica. Standard geology says that after glaciers lighten their load on land said land quakes. Barnyard physics says that quakes under ice push more ice off the land. Only the former owners of the Penninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company seem to anticipate this.
Is anyone here willing to say that glaciers leaving land does NOT result in quakes? Or that quakes won’t result in more quakes?
How real is real estate?
How prepared is FEMA?
What determines market forces?

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 30 2007 9:13 utc | 44

cool site plushtown

Posted by: annie | Apr 30 2007 9:21 utc | 45

thank you annie, very much, but the questions remain, and I’ve mentioned ice slides before here and no one ever responds directly about inevitability of glacier lightening and quakes. No one’s responded at other sites also, but I like you guys best, so I make this offer here first.
I’d gladly pay $1000 for solid evidence that I’m wrong about impending earthquakes under ice caps. (I’d gladly pay trillions if I had it.) For that matter, I’d gladly pay $1000 for scientific or historical evidence disproving any of my assertions via big-eyed bloviators on my website. If you want explanations of meanings of any so that you can attack them with certainty of easy money, e-mail me (click plushtown below for site)
Oh, re Rowan’s #1 comment above, analogy to Woodrow Wilson, he’s right,

Posted by: plushtown | Apr 30 2007 12:19 utc | 46

Great site plushtown. It’s got a great “feel” to it.
About the ice caps. The idea is the ice melts and then elastic rebound occurs and accompanying that there are earthquakes, right?
And then the earthquakes shake more ice loose and that makes more earthquakes and so on?
Sounds reasonable. No idea how anyone could prove it will NOT happen 🙂 Think your thousand bucks will stay in your pocket.
It’s amazing how I look at those cute little creatures and instantly give them personalities. Reminds me of Lamb Chop. And Pogo. Very creative. Something from nothing. Good stuff.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 30 2007 14:08 utc | 47

this is related to this thread, so i’ll post it here. note: the book has been around for a while – this review, however, is new & the message is, always, crucial for understanding things.
carolyn baker: SUPER-IMPERIALISM: The Shameful Legacy Of Liberal Democrats

Professor Michael Hudson, an independent Wall St. financial economist, has written an extraordinary book entitled Super Imperialism: The Origins and Fundamentals Of U.S. World Dominance. I first heard of Michael Hudson when browsing Bonnie Faulkner’s “Guns And Butter” website, and as I listened to him, I knew that I needed to read Super Imperialism for many reasons, not the least of which is that I am not an economist and am only beginning to educate myself on how the money works in the domestic and world economies. For this reason, I have been reluctant to write a review of Hudson’s book; I am still learning, as are many of my readers, about dysfunctional and oppressive economic systems and how they work, as well as learning about how a healthy economy might function to meet the needs of its citizenry without harming them or the ecosystem. That said, as an historian, I believe that in order to fully appreciate the current tyranny of centralized financial systems, it is necessary to understand how they evolved within the past six decades.

In the current milieu of blatant neo-conservative world domination rhetoric and behavior, it is oh so tempting to believe that the Republican Party and political conservatism have been historically at the forefront of an imperialist foreign policy. What is crucial to understand is that from an historical perspective, the economic imperialism engineered by the United States was overwhelmingly the brain child of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

Posted by: b real | Apr 30 2007 15:39 utc | 48