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April 5, 2007
Ahmadinejad and Passover

Even though some spin-masters will not agree, the release of the British marines and sailors by Iran is an obvious victory for Iran.

This was badly handled by the British: Blair was furious and tried to play hardball. He ran to the UN Security Council only to be asked "What borders are you talking about?" Then he wanted the Europeans to put up economic pressure: "What for?" they ask.
Only when the Iranian top negotiator gave an interview to UK’s Channel 4 and talked about an obvious diplomatic solution did Blair climb down.

The U.S. freed one Iranian, and 5 others detained in Iraq were given access to the Red Cross and probably to Iranian diplomats too. Of course there was no call from Bliar to Bush to make this happen …

An interesting sidenote is again the difference in reporting in various media.

Is Ahmadinejad’s mentioning of Passover regarded as not welcome by some?

In his press conference, Ahmadinejad said, "On the occasion of the birthday of the great prophet [Muhammad] … and for the occasion of the passing of Christ, I say the Islamic Republic government and the Iranian people – with all powers and legal right to put the soldiers on trial – forgave those 15," he said, referring to the Muslim prophet’s birthday on March 30 and the Easter holiday. "This pardon is a gift to the British people," he said.
Christian Science Monitor: Lessons learned: Iran’s release of British prisoners

"On the occasion of the birth anniversary of the great prophet of Islam, and on the occasion of Easter and Passover, I would like to announce that the great nation of Iran, while it is entitled to put the British military personnel on trial, has pardoned these 15 sailors and gives their release to the people of Britain as a gift."
BBC: Excerpts: Ahmadinejad announces release

But then came the theatrical flourish, the rabbit up his showman’s sleeve. "On the occasion of the birthday of the great prophet [Muhammad] … and for the occasion of the passing of Christ, I say the Islamic Republic government and the Iranian people, with all powers and legal right to put the soldiers on trial, forgave those 15," he said, referring to the Muslim prophet’s birthday on March 30 and the Easter holiday. "This pardon is a gift to the British people."
The Guardian: Ahmadinejad switches guises from demagogue to showman

The gesture, which Ahmadinejad termed a "pardon," was being made to mark the prophet Muhammad’s birthday on March 30 and the upcoming Easter holiday, he said.
Washington Post: Iran Releases 15 Captive Britons

On the thirteenth day of the crisis, President Ahmadinejad kept a global audience in suspense for nearly two hours with a rambling monologue about religion and Britain’s history of meddling in his country’s affairs. Then without explanation he announced that his 15 British captives would be set free as a “gift” to mark the Prophet Muhammad’s birthday, Easter and for good measure the Jewish festival of Passover.
London Times: Iran captives ‘freed’ after costume drama

"On the occasion of the birth anniversary of the great prophet of Islam, and on the occasion of Easter and Passover, I would like to announce that the great nation of Iran, while it is entitled to put the British military personnel on trial, has pardoned these 15 sailors and gives their release to the people of Britain as a gift," Ahmadinejad said.
LA Times: Iran frees 15 British sailors and marines

"On the occasion of the birthday of the great prophet (Muhammad) … And for the occasion of the passing of Christ, I say the Islamic Republic government and the Iranian people – with all powers and legal right to put the soldiers on trial – forgave those 15," he said, referring to the Muslim prophet’s birthday last Saturday and Easter, next Sunday.
Ynetnews: Ahmadinejad says Iran to free British soldiers

This reminds one of the distorted "wipe israel off the map" translation – something Ahmedinejad has never said.

There is a good fact filled comment on this and the general Iran issue in the Guardian.

In other news some Brits were not so lucky: Roadside bomb hits British troops in Basra

Four British soldiers have been killed in a roadside bomb attack in the Shia stronghold of Basra in southern Iraq.

The deaths bring the number of British soldiers killed in Iraq this week to six, making it one of the deadliest for British forces since the US-led invasion in 2003.

Comments

The British handled it badly by not taking a harder line. Iran has a history of hostage taking and now they will feel emboldened to do it again….now that they know they can get concessions.

Posted by: PoliticalCritic | Apr 5 2007 11:52 utc | 1

@Political Critic – sure, nobody was killed – how sad for you …
BTW: who was the fist guy that gave the Iranian concessions in a hostage crisis?

Posted by: b | Apr 5 2007 12:35 utc | 2

troll alert at 1 O’Clock.
Meanwhile there’s a war in Basra Basra. I wonder if Political Critic welcomes the British withdrawal from Basra, whenever?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Apr 5 2007 14:14 utc | 3

opps for the double Basra

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Apr 5 2007 14:15 utc | 4

Even though some spin-masters will not agree, the release of the British marines and sailors by Iran as an obvious victory for Iran.
As I posted previous, they were to be freed, that was certain, even if Bush (and a torn Blair for internal reasons, off and on..) would have liked more ructions, TV drama coverage, hype, hysteria, etc.
What did the Iranians demand or get in return? Their demands, as I read it, were a sort of afterthought from a position of power. The Iranian diplomat freed was kidnapped two months ago in Baghdad, now he has been released (from Swiss press that kept his name confidential.)
So, who kidnapped him to begin with? Heh? Iraqi ‘insurgents’? Not! This aspect is studiously ignored. But that was just a token demand – a sort of chip, which needs to be negotiated in these kinds of games. Just giving in is not good enough in these power dances. But Iran would have freed the Brit soldiers in all cases.
So, this whole story is a sop for the Tv and the press, agit prop of one kind or another, a scenario played out; Iran would never be so dumb and foolish to give the ‘West’ a casus belli of the ‘kidnapping’ type.
Of course Iran will be made out to look weak (released the Brits post haste!) but really they are calling the bluff…this kind of crap is really dumb. Millions world wide are sniggering.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 5 2007 16:19 utc | 5

Shows what a little respect can get you, hmmm?
BTW, when is Muhammad’s birthday? It isn’t celebrated, is it?

Posted by: Jake | Apr 5 2007 17:13 utc | 6

What it did was show to the world how the Iranians dealt with captives — treating them kindly, supplying cigarettes, allowing visits from UK reps, even giving them new clothes when they left — compared to America’s treatment of captives in general and the five Iranian diplomats in specific whom I can pretty well surmise are not being supplied with cigarettes, visits from their own country’s representatives, probably being waterboarded, held incommunicado in rat-infested dungeons, set up in butt pyramids for photos, and most likely won’t get new clothes when they leave, if they ever leave.
You bet there’s a clash of civilization going on. Point is, who are the civilized ones? At this moment, Iran has won big time.

Posted by: Ensley | Apr 5 2007 18:08 utc | 7

@Noirette – the name of the relased guy was published as was his capturing by a Iraqi special command unit under US orders.
@Jake
Mawlid-un-Nabi (Muhammad’s birthday – Muslim)* March 31st
Palm Sunday (Christian) April 1st
Passover (Jewish) April 3rd – 10th
The Muslim calendar are moon based, so the dates change over the years. Is actually quite a conicidence that doesn’t happen very often.
Actually Muhammed’s birthday is celebrated in the Muslim world. One explanation of the slow Iranian reaction (and a hint that it was probably not and act ordered from far above) is that there were some two weeks of holidays for the Muslim new year, norouz or newroz, in Iran plus Muhammed’S birthday.
(This is btw also a sound explanation for some Russian engineers at the reactor site flying home for that time – why stay in Iran when nobody works for two weeks – some took this as a sign of a russian drawdown in Iran)

Posted by: b | Apr 5 2007 18:15 utc | 8

You can always judge the winner in such political events i.e. image contests — by how loud the wingnuts wail. And they’re screaming bloody murder over this one. Nothing challenges their modus-operandi like a successful resolution through diplomacy. They not only lost their ability to show how tough and virile they are, they’ve been made to look juvenile, immature, and (god forbid, the worst of all possibilities) impotent. Haha, a point drivin home mercilessly by the chowing down, lighting up, hand shaking, (I’m on vacation) ecstatic British troops themselves.
“The horror, the horror, the horror”.

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 5 2007 18:35 utc | 9

Interesting piece by Sky News: ‘We Gathered Intelligence’

The captain in charge of the 15 marines detained in Iran has said they were gathering intelligence on the Iranians.
Sky News went on patrol with Captain Chris Air and his team in Iraqi waters close to the area where they were arrested – just five days before the crisis began.
We withheld the interview until now so it would not jeopardise their safety.

The operation was mainly to investigate arms smuggling and terrorism but Captain Air said it was also to gain intelligence on Iranian activity.
He told Sky Correspondent Jonathan Samuels: “Basically we speak to the crew, find out if they have any problems, let them know we’re here to protect them, protect their fishing and stop any terrorism and piracy in the area,” he said.
“Secondly, it’s to gather int (intelligence). If they do have any information, because they’re here for days at a time, they can share it with us.
“Whether it’s about piracy or any sort of Iranian activity in the area. Obviously we’re right by the buffer zone with Iran.”

Or in the buffer zone or beyond – depends on where the British MoD defines where the border is – now that may change conveniently day by day …

Posted by: b | Apr 5 2007 18:47 utc | 10

hell in the stae i’m in – id like to be a hostage of the iranians & get their showbags which seem to include nice grey armani like suits & other little packages – that the british seem to be thankful for
& that whining weed of a man – blair bleating & barking outside no 10 is nothing so much as some second rank actor in dad’s army – under the circumstances i’d much prefer arthur lowe, tony hancock or someone more substantive

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 5 2007 19:06 utc | 11

& in an act of greater generosity i think the british sailors ought to donate their suits to the media mullahs at foxcnnskybbc where any idea of style is somewhere up senator mccarthy’s arse

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 5 2007 19:37 utc | 12

sky is really something – i have not seen much of it – well old rupert has such a monopoly of mendacity – the entire stench of mendacity – that he is able to elaborate it for each culture he engulfs & encercles

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 5 2007 20:22 utc | 13

So would anyone like to comment on the wildly varying reports? Is any one of them accurate?
Personally I usually trust the GUARDIAN but they differ from the only reliable American paper nowadays, the L.A. TIMES. Which is correct?

Posted by: hopping madbunny | Apr 5 2007 22:12 utc | 14

well as i sd madbunny – the young sailor got some wonderful new suits & gifts from the emporiums of tehran
on the other hand tony blair got egg all over his face & whyatever is left of his cerebral cortex was squeaking latterly today (after he had a call from majordomo cheney who was busily masturbating in the rose garden waiting for beautyboy david gregory to ask him a question or two) about the devlish interference of the iranians in basra. very unconvincing – but then he has been unconvincing as anything else other than a smalltime priest from some sussex parish
in iran – there is not a great deal of difference of opinion between ahmadinejad & the republican guard & the moderates – khatami – if anything the moderates have thought that the president did not take full advantage of the situation
but what is crazily clear is that the neocons are chaping at the bit – i heard bolton last night & between him foaming at the mouth he was screaming about the weakness of blair & the need to deal with these people firmly – militarily – bush is maddder than a meataxe & i’m convinced they will attack iran at the nearest available opportunity

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 5 2007 22:43 utc | 15

Interestingly on this one, I am now getting my comments unseen, like b before me, on Pat Lang’s blog, Their propaganda line maintains that the West is degenerate and morally weak, that Western soldiers are cowards and not to be feared, that Westerners fear death above all else.
Every takfiri and jihadi in the world, whether actual or potential will take note and his or her behavior will be influenced by this message.
The poorly conceived campaign in Iraq is, nevertheless, quite real. It is being fought by soldiers whom we Americans value highly. Their safety will be directly affected by what has happened in this incident.

If American folks like PL have lost “it” over this, God Bless the Planet.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Apr 5 2007 23:05 utc | 16

CP,
I swear its all the rejoicing, the confessions, the probable deal making, but mostly the rejoicing of the British troops that really gets under the skin (of even PL). Its totally deflating for soldiers of “the greatest generation” ilk to see supposed prisoners acting this way. Like what ever happened to the graveness of name, rank, and serial number, or escaping as #1 priority. The Iranians have played this one better than Chris “Jesus” Ferguson, I half expected to see the prisoners off on a Wally World tour bus gawking in the sights around Tehran. Some behavior for an Axis of Evil mainstay — compaired of course to the Abu Ghraib west. Rather brilliant.

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 6 2007 0:42 utc | 17

the televised scenes were a farce. The Brit-15 knew so. SO DID THE IRANIANS. Maybe Monty Python might have farced it better, but thats the kind of farce we’re talking about.
So what this about name, rank & serial number. NOBODY GOT HURT OR HARMED. WHAT MORE COULD ANYBODY ASK FOR.
Cheers to the 15 Brits. They are the true “world masters”.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Apr 6 2007 2:15 utc | 18

I haven’t seen much about this in my usual blogs but it seems like the ‘bungled’ message Pelosi delivered to Syria from Israel about negotiatons was a deliberate setup. I have little hope that it might wake Pelosi (my House rep.) up about her Likud-Zionist stance, but it might give her pause.

Posted by: biklett | Apr 6 2007 2:25 utc | 19

biklett, don’t know if you read talkleft but btd posted this earlier today.

Posted by: conchita | Apr 6 2007 2:49 utc | 20

@CP, I checked PL ~last night & was disgusted w/his discussion of this, even apart from the comments, but thanks for weighing in w/that. It infuriated me that he didn’t even mention that it was in retaliation for all the Iranians that US kidnapped, including botched attempt to nab their Head of Intel(or Deputy Head) in Irbil.
A story, perhaps not unrelated to Admin threatening to assault Iran, is this one – Rosie O’Donnell’s staff (on ABC “The View”, owned I think by Barbara Walters) has contacted Prof. Stephen Jones about appearing on the show!!! Unfortunately, she has to get approval from ABC. Stay tuned…when elites are ready to out this, we know they’ve had it. I don’t know if I posted it, or y’all noticed my post if I did, but someone recently leaked the blueprints for WTC bldgs., so engineers & physicists can begin calculating Exactly how much energy would be required to pulverize them. It speaks Volumes, many of them, that they refused to release building blueprints to any of the official panels studying how they collapsed from a mere airplane fire. If those guys had any integrity, they would have refused to say word one w/out that info, since it’s all so much arm-waving in their absence.

Posted by: jj | Apr 6 2007 3:03 utc | 21

Boo!
Al-Sahab Expected To Release New Bin Ladin Video
Pretty good timing for a dead guy, and just in time, for Ostara, er, uh, Easter.
It rises from the dead on the third day.?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Apr 6 2007 3:39 utc | 22

Mossad/IDF disagrees w/P-L-:
Israeli experts who have been involved in prisoner swaps say that England handled the crisis with Iran “in an exemplary manner.”
The British threatened Iran with a very big stick: movement of troops and additional sanctions.
On the other hand, Iran was given the means to climb down from its position. Both sides got what they wanted.
The experts say, cautiously, that the release of the British servicemen could have a positive influence on Israeli concerns.
Israeli experts laud U.K. over handling of Iran prisoner crisis

Posted by: jj | Apr 6 2007 4:45 utc | 23

Jony b cool,
From British officials:

“Second, the seized personnel lost no time in admitting to having trespassed and in apologizing for their mistake. The old military practice of giving name, rank and number, and no more, has obviously been abandoned.”

While this drives the warhawks crazy, what drives them over the edge is that they’re also trapped in their own rhetoric — in that they are prohibited from criticizing the soldiers for all their canary antics — because it would be seen as not supporting the troops!

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 6 2007 7:20 utc | 24

Ahmadinejad took a Quentino Tarantino screenplay and turned into an episode of Barney.

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 6 2007 7:54 utc | 25

lol anna missed!

Posted by: annie | Apr 6 2007 8:33 utc | 26

am :
The old military practice of giving name, rank and number, and no more, has obviously been abandoned.
Would that the entire “military practice” were abandoned!
But the lies of nobility, of honor, of bravery, of glory are still told by cynical, manipulative old liars and still believed by the naive and credulous young.
War. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 6 2007 9:39 utc | 27

anna missed @ 24,
agreed.
the warhawks must be bugging out right now. Between KSM & the Brit-15, heres one war they cannot possibly hope to win: GWOF – global war on farce.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Apr 6 2007 10:02 utc | 28

i imagine the 15 british are lying through their debriefed dents
perhaps they would like to have experienced what occurs at bhagram, at abu ghraib, at guantanamo – or in any building throught iraq & afghanistan

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 6 2007 17:34 utc | 29

b at 8, thx i did not see that only read the swiss press
9/11. – jj at 21.
I don’t know Rosie or ABC but looked at some clips.
All this is very scripted. She plays the role of dissident or maverick, and does it well. Why exactly ABC planned this is a bit murky, but lets not forget that their no. 1. policy is to keep and acquire viewers. 9/11 *truth* has become a movement likely to attract people, as the media storm around Rosie shows. O Reilly or such calling for her hanging (or whatever it was) is grist for the mill. Rosie, as dark and a bit fat, outspoken, a lesbian or feminist (? no clue, read that somewhere) makes a perfect counterpoint to Miss Blondie twitterin’ on about Al-Q and evil Iran, etc. In fact, Rosie provides a distraction, something new, attractive to viewers, etc.
What Rosie is putting forward are talking points that – and there I listened carefully, and even read her blog – are calculated to appeal to the widest public possible. Her snappy one liners or small spaces for sounding off (planned, nobody argues really) what are by now traditional points – mostly the existence of false flag ops (duh!) and the fact that WTC 1 and 2 and 7 were destroyed by controlled demolition, as put forward by Steven Jones, who imho is a cook. Rosie has no beliefs of her own as visible, these are to be squashed in any case, she is not a person but a figure – she has been briefed, through one or the other method. (Semantic analysis, or just JOE, who knows this stuff, right Rosie, he’s in contact… and on the internet.. these are the main things that ppl are interested in..etc. )
9/11 truth goes mainstream on the tee-vee.. it is game over, nothing will ever happen, except as support for whatever OTHER movements want to get rid of Bush or whatever.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 6 2007 18:55 utc | 30

Mawlid-un-Nabi (Muhammad’s birthday – Muslim)* March 31st
Palm Sunday (Christian) April 1st
Passover (Jewish) April 3rd – 10th

Just re-reading Joseph Campbell’s “Occidental Mythology”; which points out that at least the dates of Passover and Easter had long-standing significance: “The festival of Passover, which was first celebrated 621 B.C. in commemoration of the Exodus, occurs on the date of the annual resurrection of Adonis (also called Dumuzi, Tammuz, Attis, Mithra, Dionysos), which in the Christian cult became Easter.”

Posted by: PeeDee | Apr 6 2007 21:45 utc | 31

blair – this blathering, barking, bellowing jackanape of a man who would be better suited to offering little sermons in sussex as a cloying clergy for the pretentious parish for the sons & daughters of engineers
there is not even a hint of nopbility in this man
bush had him down well – yo blair
bush is a man who has beeb buggered since he’s been borne – so it is right to expect nothing, absolutely nothing
but the tradiotion of social democracy is no small thing & for it to end up in the hands of a clown such as this – un unmitigated english summer holiday camp clown – that is to say , there is nothing funny about him at all – even the smallness of the man is a creation of some form of crudity
when i hear him speak – i develop an instant parkinsonian response which doesn’t leave until i watch one of those hoods in the ukraine who imagines himself a president or a prime minister
& the people with their velvet, their yellow, their orance & their cedar revolutions which have been imagined inside the meagre mind of mr murdoch – sometimes on the saddest of days i believe the people merit their masters of such mediocrity
wail if you must mr blair – but between a miltary base at bhagram or even a prison in belmarsh – i would much prefer to be under the firm but sane rule of tehran

Posted by: r’giap | Apr 6 2007 22:44 utc | 32

@PeeDee -31- and all these festivity dates are of course based on the spring solstice – “successful” religious cults always adopt to the “unbelievers” habits.
Each Easter Hamburg has huge Easter-fires along the river beach. These are build by regional townships and compete for size. The local Christian priests of the townships will bless the piles before those are burned … adoption of an old Germanic cult …

Posted by: b | Apr 7 2007 8:22 utc | 33

i like those fires, along the riverbank.

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 7 2007 8:58 utc | 34