Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 29, 2007
Perspective

Bea’s diligent post is about missing the news on what is really happening in the Middle East.

Today the major media serving, but again missing any real perspective, is this:

Bombing in Israeli resort kills 3

A young Palestinian set off an explosives-laden backpack in a bakery in the Red Sea resort of Eilat today, killing himself and three other people in the first suicide attack against Israel in nine months.

Yes, I do think such a bombing is seriously wrong.

Still I try to see it in perspective. Right now there are some 1,340 Google News links to the Eilat incident. The AP puts out a special – Palestinian Suicide Attacks Since 2001:

During more than six years of Palestinian-Israeli violence, 540 people have been killed in 130 Palestinian suicide bombings.

That’s quite some six years of violence. But look what happened just last year on the other side – Palestinains killed by the Israeli Defense Force:

The number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip tripled this year, according to an Israeli human rights organisation. B’Tselem said 660 Palestinians had been killed during 2006, including 141 minors. The report claimed that at least 322 of those killed were not fighters.

At the same time, B’Tselem recorded a drop in the number of Israelis killed during the year. Palestinians killed 17 civilians, including one minor, and six members of the security forces.

A cursory and incomplete look at Google News results for the last days lists these accounts:

Another Palestinian killed by Israeli troops, Jan 29 – yet unnamed, Gaza

Palestinian militant killed in Israeli incursion into W. Bank town, Jan 25 – Raji Balawna

Palestinian killed in W. Bank as Abbas meets Israeli FM, Jan 24 – Fadel Balawneh

Palestinian girl, 14, killed by IDF fire near West Bank fence, Jan 20 – Da’ah Abed al-Kadr

Palestinian girl dies of injuries, Jan 19 – Abir Aramin

Palestinian killed in pre-dawn Israeli raid on Nablus, Jan 17 – Muhannad Ghandour

Palestinian killed by unexploded Israeli ordnance in south Lebanon, Jan 16 – Ahmed Houeidi

I realy feel bad doing a tit-for-tat accounting of killings here. But the media slant towards Israeli victims of the conflict is terribly biased.

When will AP put up a special: Deadly IDF Attacks in Palestine Since 2001? Who will print it?

How can we live in peace with each other if we are not told, do not see and do not work to see the perspective of both sides of a conflict?

Comments

“Terrorism” in St. Augustine’s City of God
From a late April 1986 interview with Noam Chomsky:
Q: Why is “terrorism” such a useful ideological construct?
Chomsky: First, their conception of terrorism is highly selective.
There’s a wonderful story in St. Augustine’s _City of God_, where
Alexander the Great captures a pirate and says, “How dare you molest
the seas!” And the pirate turns to him and says, “How dare you molest
the world! I have a small ship, so I’m a pirate, a thief. But you have
a big navy so you’re an emperor.” If an emperor disturbs the world,
that’s not terrorism, but if a thief disturbs the seas, that is
terrorism.
-found in _Language and Politics_, p.520
And so it goes…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 29 2007 22:18 utc | 1

b
you anger is related to context, disproportion & to the fact that the palestinians are a ‘non-people’ or untermenschen for the western world
this has been true for the entire period of occupation where criminal killings has been a proud element of israel’s national policy
the use of force of militarised force is commensurate with the extinguishing of not only a possible palestinian nation but it has seemed for the last 20 years – of the the palestinian people
& it seems to me that as the demographic exigencies become more apparent the murderous policy of the state of israel become more blatant & it appears today as exactly the same as aparthied south africa
the palestinians have suffered the most brutal occupation & the pure morality of the cause of their people has been demonised because of its very clear morality & of israels very clear transgressions not only of morality but also of law & most importantly of humanity
the quotidian politics of the einsatzgruppen has become the essential living philosophy of the israeli settlers
& what has happened under bush is that this unpeopling of the palestinian has spread all over the middle east except for a king here & a shah there, a tyrant there & a comprador here
& what needs to be repeated again & again – over & over – it was the policy of the united states & of israel to construct the organisations of islamic fundamentalism – the taliban, hamas, hezbollah arte a wholly american/israel monster – that was used & used effectively against all secular (read socialist or nationalist) generations of leaders. these groups are not old – they are recent creations & it is the argument of many scholars of the middle east that a political & militant islam was becoming a much less powerful movement given the economic & social failure of ayatollah khomeine & his clique of clowns. their argument essentially is that the criminal policies have given this movement not only new breath but has created the means where they can become a destabilising influence
before the us israel ‘moment’ – there were two main bodies – that hadi nfluence amongst political islam – the egyptian brotherhood & of course the wahabite ideology of saudia arabia which in terms of time & space – are the exact mirrors of the evangalical christian movement of north america which has unfortunately much influence in latin america – but essentially they were marginal
now that is not so
we are in the hands of fools who use violence as easily as that of a ukranian using a sledgehammer against the jskullewsskull of the jewish people who ended up in the ravine of babi yar
the deepest shame – is that the current israeli state is more a mirror of the perpetrators than the victims – indeed they do those victims shame

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 29 2007 23:09 utc | 2

rememberinggiap: Your last parsgraph says it all. The Israelis are well on their way to becoming what they say they fear most. A fascist state.

Posted by: Ben | Jan 29 2007 23:41 utc | 3

another kind of violence that rarely is reported is that of the destruction of olive trees and orchards, things that take decades or longer to grow. or homes that go back many generations simply being bulldozed to make way for a wall or a road or because it blocks line of sight for a guard tower. the blatant, in your face theft that humiliates.
power, with no regard to future consequences, have put the Israelis where they are. It is hard to say if they are clever enough to pull it all off.
I have read that there are many US Jews who have recently moved to Israel. for sure they would bring that US ideal of expansion that saw a few settlements grow into the 4th largest country in the world.
life aint fair but it does seem to be even less so for the people of the middle east right now.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 30 2007 0:51 utc | 4

I have read that there are many US Jews who have recently moved to Israel.
really , i haven’t heard this. if you have a link please post it. they must be insane.

Posted by: annie | Jan 30 2007 3:58 utc | 5

Interesting dos, I read just the opposite, Jews Leaving Israel, Returning to Russia..

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 30 2007 4:02 utc | 6

a simple google search brings up many hits on this. here is one to get started
also

Last, Nefesh B’Nefesh provides grants from $8,000 for singles to up to $22,000 for large families. If the immigrants stay at least three years, they do not have to repay the money.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 30 2007 8:10 utc | 7

Looking from the side, from Belsen to Gaza

Amira Hass, who has lived in Gaza, describes it as a prison that shames her people. She recalls how her mother, Hannah, was being marched from a cattle-train to the Nazi concentration camp at Bergen-Belsen on a summer’s day in 1944.” [She] saw these German women looking at the prisoners, just looking,” she wrote. “This image became very formative in my upbringing, this despicable ‘looking from the side’.”
“Looking from the side” is what those of us do who are cowed into silence by the threat of being called anti-Semitic. Looking from the side is what too many western Jews do, while those Jews who honour the humane traditions of Judaism and say, “Not in our name!” are abused as “self-despising”. Looking from the side is what almost the entire US Congress does, in thrall to or intimidated by a vicious Zionist “lobby’. Looking from the side is what “even-handed” journalists do as they excuse the lawlessness that is the source of Israeli atrocities and supress the historic shifts in the Palestinian resistance, such as the implicit recognition of Israel by Hamas. The people of Gaza cry out for better.

Posted by: b | Jan 30 2007 11:46 utc | 8

Quote:
It is not the politics of the Middle East or even so much the Jewish tradition of aliyah — literally, the ascent to Israel — that motivated Yona Klein to pick up his life in Oak Park, Mich., and move to Israel. It is what he feels in his heart as he stands near his new home in Ramat Beit Shemesh.

ha-ha…spirituality my ass…it’s his new house in the midst of “English speaking Jews in secure area” that brought him there as well as $22 000 gift/bribe…

Posted by: vbo | Jan 30 2007 14:34 utc | 9

Why the anger? Here is another article by the indefatigable Amira Hass that explains just one of myriad reasons why. The bracketed notes are my clarifications. Again, sorry to excerpt at such length but this type of information NEVER makes it into the American consciousness, and it is fundamental to understanding the incredible, unimaginable burdens of simply trying to exist as a Palestinian under Israeli occupation. As you read it, factor in the power equation: All permits are controlled by Israel alone. To get the permit in and of itself might require a Herculean effort to travel to the appropriate office, wait in lines for hours or days, etc. But then of course, Israel can simply decide for any reason that a person is a “security risk” and therefore not entitled to a permit, whether one or all. Likewise, Israel can dangle the prospect of a permit in front of someone desperate and require, in return, certain types of information…
Life Under Prohibition in Palestine

All the promises to relax restrictions in the West Bank have obscured the true picture. A few roadblocks have been removed, but the following prohibitions have remained in place. (This information was gathered by Haaretz, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs and Machsom Watch)
Standing prohibitions
* Palestinians from the Gaza Strip are forbidden to stay in the West Bank.
* Palestinians [from the West Bank and Gaza] are forbidden to enter East Jerusalem.
* West Bank Palestinians are forbidden to enter the Gaza Strip through the Erez crossing.
* Palestinians [from anywhere? not sure if any live here] are forbidden to enter the Jordan Valley.
* Palestinians are forbidden to enter [Arab? Jewish? both? not sure] villages, lands, towns and neighborhoods along the “seam line” between the separation fence and the Green Line (some 10 percent of the West Bank).
* Palestinians who are not residents of the villages Beit Furik and Beit Dajan in the Nablus area, and Ramadin, south of Hebron, are forbidden entry to them.
* Palestinians are forbidden to enter the [Jewish] settlements’ area (even if their lands are inside the settlements’ built area).
* Palestinians are forbidden to enter [the central West Bank city of] Nablus in a vehicle.
* Palestinian residents of Jerusalem are forbidden to enter “area A” (Palestinian towns in the West Bank) [“area A” was defined as the portion of the West Bank turned over to Palestinian control under the Oslo Accords].
* Gaza Strip residents are forbidden to enter the West Bank via the Allenby crossing [from Jordan].
* Palestinians are forbidden to travel abroad via Ben-Gurion Airport [in Tel Aviv — the Israeli international airport — this is new to me and would be a major, major restriction if true, which I assume it is. I assume she means Palestinians from the occupied territories. This means their only option for leaving the country would be to travel overland to Amman, Jordan and fly from there. If anyone can confirm this and knows how long it has been in effect, I would be interested to know.].
* Children under age 16 are forbidden to leave Nablus without an original birth certificate and parental escort.
* Palestinians [from the occupied areas] with permits to enter Israel are forbidden to enter through the crossings used by Israelis and tourists.
* Gaza residents are forbidden to establish residency in the West Bank.
* West Bank residents are forbidden to establish residency in the Jordan valley [in the West Bank] seam-line communities or the villages of Beit Furik and Beit Dajan.
* Palestinians are forbidden to transfer merchandise and cargo through internal West Bank checkpoints.
Periodic prohibitions
* Residents of certain parts of the West Bank are forbidden to travel to the rest of the West Bank.
* People of a certain age group – mainly men from the age of 16 to 30, 35 or 40 – are forbidden to leave the areas where they reside (usually Nablus and other cities in the northern West Bank).
* Private cars may not pass the Swahara-Abu Dis checkpoint (which separates the northern and southern West Bank). This was cancelled for the first time two weeks ago under the easing of restrictions.
Travel permits required
* A magnetic card (intended for entrance to Israel, but eases the passage through checkpoints within the West Bank).
* A work permit for Israel (the employer must come to the civil administration offices and apply for one).
* A permit for medical treatment in Israel and Palestinian hospitals in East Jerusalem (The applicant must produce an invitation from the hospital, his complete medical background and proof that the treatment he is seeking cannot be provided in the occupied territories).
* A travel permit to pass through Jordan valley checkpoints.
* A merchant’s permit to transfer goods.
* A permit to farm along the seam line requires a form from the land registry office, a title deed, and proof of first-degree relations to the registered property owner.
* Entry permit for the seam line (for relatives, medical teams, construction workers, etc. Those with permits must enter and leave via the same crossing even if it is far away or closing early).
* Permits to pass from Gaza, through Israel to the West Bank.
* A birth certificate for children under 16.
* A long-standing resident identity card for those who live in seam-line enclaves.
Checkpoints and barriers
* There were 75 manned checkpoints in the West Bank as of January 9, 2007.
* There are on average 150 mobile checkpoints a week (as of September 2006).
* There are 446 obstacles placed between roads and villages, including concrete cubes, earth ramparts, 88 iron gates and 74 kilometers of fences along main roads.
* There are 83 iron gates along the separation fence, dividing lands from their owners. Only 25 of the gates open occasionally.

Posted by: Bea | Jan 30 2007 14:54 utc | 10

How can we live in peace with each other if we are not told, do not see and do not work to see the perspective of both sides of a conflict?
My answer: We cannot.
In line with this thought, I highly recommend the film Encounter Point. It is a powerful and moving film made by a 23-year-old Brazilian filmmaker, Julia Bascha. You can find out when it might be showing near you by visiting Just Vision. This wonderful organization pays tribute to Israelis and Palestinians who are working to transcend and overcome their hatred and reach out to deeply and genuinely understand the humanity of the other. The web site has much to offer as well. It is so refreshing to read of Israelis and Palestinians who are able to relate to the other on a basis of common humanity and dignity.

Posted by: Bea | Jan 30 2007 15:19 utc | 11

dos #7, from your link, thanks

The 50 percent increase in the migration of American Jews since 2003 compares with a world-wide rate of emigration that is at its lowest level since 1988.
The number of Americans moving to Israel is relatively small, about 3,200 in 2006, but
it is now nearly 15 percent of the annual total.

the economist

America has provided a mere 120,000 Israelis since 1948, and still has as many Jews as Israel. A survey two years ago by Steven M. Cohen, a sociologist at New York’s Hebrew Union College, found that just 17% of American Jews called themselves Zionists.

But Jews too young to have watched Israel rout three Arab armies in six days in 1967 are less likely to see it as heroic, morally superior, in need of help, or even relevant. “Israel in the Age of Eminem”, a report written in 2003 for the Andrea and Charles Bronfman Philanthropies, a Jewish charity, concluded that “There is a distance and detachment between young American Jews and their Israeli cousins that does not exist among young American Arabs and has not existed in the American Jewish community until now.” In Mr Cohen’s survey, only 57% of American Jews said that “caring about Israel is a very important part of my being Jewish”, down from 73% in a similar survey in 1989.

As many as 100,000 Russian-Israelis have gone back to Russia, says Rabbi Avraham Berkowitz, the director of the Lubavitch-run Federation of Jewish Communities

Posted by: annie | Jan 30 2007 15:42 utc | 12

A madman

Posted by: b | Jan 30 2007 20:14 utc | 13

Your post at 13 requires a warning, b.
To think that this man has tenure and chair at Harvard Law …words fail me.

Posted by: ww | Jan 30 2007 20:32 utc | 14

The army is investigating the youtube video that was linked here earlier. The one in which a guy claimed to have pimped out a female at Abu Ghraib before she hung herself. Iraq Slogger has the update.
And a few cautions in case the story is not true.
At this point, there is no way to confirm if the video is a true representation or not. The video has no publicly-identifiable source at this point, the primary subject appears almost completely in shadow, and the footage has obviously been edited down into a concise 3-minute package.
Previous soldier/atrocity items have caused great media stir, only later to be proven hoaxes. As Grey noted, “We have seen situations where people post videos and pictures on the Internet pretending or leading people to believe they are U.S. soldiers, when in fact they were not even in the military or they never served in OIF or OEF.”
The most notorious hoaxes of the Iraq war have been that of Jesse Macbeth, London’s Daily Mirror torture photos, and the faked beheading video, though each proved relatively easy to discount once an investigation had begun.
The man allegedly beheaded by Zarqawi had given his full name in the video; the FBI had only to verify he was alive and well in San Francisco to close that case in August 2004.
Photos published by the Daily Mirror in May 2004 purportedly showed British soldiers beating a hooded Iraqi and throwing him into the back of the truck. The Ministry of Defence quickly established that the featured truck had never been in Iraq, though it took a little more investigating to catch the soldiers who’d staged the incident.
In early 2006, soon after Jesse Macbeth became a publicly outspoken “Iraq war vet” willing to detail atrocities wreaked by the U.S. military, DoD verified that he had never even completed basic training.
Since there are no visual clues or names attached to this new video that would immediately rule it out as a hoax, CID will have to do some digging to find out more about its source and main subject. Though Grey declined answering any questions about the approach CID would take to the investigation, circumstances dictate they must start with YouTube.

Who knows if it’s true, or if it’s fabricated, who knows who did it. However, I think it is important to remember that the U.S. isn’t the only faction that can and does use propaganda.
Whether or not the video itself is true, the allegations made have already been mentioned to some degree when the original torture photos came out and when Congress viewed them. So, this may be an attempt at damage control…create a fake video to confuse the issue. Or maybe it’s propaganda from someone who wants to use this issue for their own ends.
If it’s an attempt to confuse the issue, I wonder why it would come out at this moment?

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 31 2007 0:51 utc | 15

Frontline had a show on tonight The Cell Next Door, about the Canadian terrorists and the plot to attack in Toronto. Apparently that was, in fact, a real attack that had been planned. Mubin Shaikh, a fundamentalist muslim, infiltrated the cell because, as he explained, murder is against the Koran and terrorism is bad for all muslims because of the reactions it provokes (and the problems it doesn’t solve.)
Here’s the background from the time.
The program was interesting also because of the parents whose sons had become terrorists. they all couldn’t believe it was their son they were seeing…at least one of them on tv as he was arrested. they all said their sons had been brainwashed (and blamed the use of the internet for this brainwashing…)
anyway, here we often have a tendency to discount any claimed terror cells, etc. as false flags, etc….so I suppose this just so happens to be my night to include perspective of another kind.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 31 2007 3:24 utc | 16

fauxreal- i haven’t looked into that program yet, but i’d remain skeptical of their claims. many of these type of cases, esp when there’s an agent infiltrator involved, are suspect, either fantasy on the part of law enforcement officials who have a shiny new hammer & see nails everywhere, or deliberate manipulations to provide validation for any number of interests. the infiltrator seems to end up being the party responsible for inciting the participant(s) & instigating the activity that finally roots out the “sleeper cell” or individual “terrorist”.
from an article at globalresearch on this case

Only some time after the arrests did the elaborateness of the entrapment scheme become apparent. Early reports made much of an alleged “training camp” session the group conducted in Washago, Ontario in December 2005-one of the leaders of which, Mubin Shaikh, turned out to have been a CSIS mole, who has received $77,000 for his services and claims to be owed a further $300,000. Shaikh seems to have taken some trouble to establish his ‘cover’ role, agitating so noisily for the acceptance of sharia courts in Canada that fellow Muslims urged him to desist. Yet as multicultural chair of Liberal MP Alan Tonks’ York South-Weston riding association, he let the mask slip: according to the association’s website, this “Traveller, philosopher, theologian … is not your ordinary Torontonian. At first look, one might think they’ve encountered an extremist but on second take, you realize you’ve been had!” It would appear that whatever technical expertise the Toronto 17 possessed was also provided by the government: a second mole, an agricultural engineer, “provided evidence to authorities that the conspirators had material they thought could be used to make bombs.”
Most journalists who covered the story found nothing out of the ordinary in the fact that after their arrests the men and youths were subjected to sleep deprivation torture-confined in brightly illuminated isolation cells and woken every half-hour-by authorities obviously desperate for evidence. Nor were they able to remember that three years previously another large group of Toronto Muslims had been arrested on suspicion of plotting similarly lurid acts of terrorism-which had turned out to be no more than products of the active imaginations of RCMP and CSIS agents, Toronto police detectives, and Immigration Canada officials. In that case, an investigation called Project Thread (and re-named “Project Threadbare” by skeptics) led to twenty-four men being arrested as members of an al Qaeda sleeper cell with plans to destroy the CN Tower, blow up the Pickering nuclear power plant, and set off a radioactive dirty bomb. The allegations were eventually dropped, and no charges were laid. And yet the men were held in maximum security detention for months, no statements of exoneration were issued, and seventeen of them were deported, in a manner marked by flagrant illegalities, to countries where the mere suspicion of terrorist affiliations could have very dangerous consequences.
There may then be good reason to suspect that the Toronto 17 are “terrorists” in much the same sense as were the father and son in Lodi, California who, after being set up by a lavishly paid agent provocateur, were talked by FBI interrogators into confessing they had attended an al Qaeda camp in Pakistan (or perhaps Afghanistan or Kashmir) which they located variously on a mountaintop and in an underground chamber where a thousand jihadis from around the world practised pole-vaulting. Or perhaps they could be compared to the infamous “Miami Seven,” members of an oddly un-secretive “Sons of David” cult who are accused of having conspired with al Qaeda to conduct terror attacks “even bigger than September 11” against targets like Chicago’s Sears Tower: the men, who had no visible means of carrying out such attacks, actually committed nothing worse than the thought-crime of swearing allegiance to al Qaeda-an oath that was administered by their FBI agent provocateur.

Posted by: b real | Jan 31 2007 5:42 utc | 17

I suppose that might be so, b real. but doesn’t it seem a bit fantastical to think that no terrorists actually exist?
I cannot recall a show from Frontline that has not been well-researched. Please do watch the program. I’d like to know what other evidence exists to dispute the issues presented on the show.
The article from Global Research thinks that highly placed people in the U.S. govt., not Bin Laden, etc. orchestrated the terrorist attacks on 9-11 and this writer then collapses the idea of a “war on terror” being a bogus concept with events themselves. However, this same writer doesn’t deny that bin Laden has/had lackeys who were used in the event…so, were they entrapped? Are we supposed to assume they were coerced to cooperate in such an attack?
It’s not necessary to deny terrorism in order to think that a “war on terror” is a ridiculous notion. Was the Cole bombing orchestrated by U.S govt people too? Or the African embassy bombing? At what point did terrorism cease to be an action conducted by others and begin to be solely the province of the US govt?
What about the guys in England who planned to detonate bombs in the subway? Was that a lie?
The Global Research writer does not, in fact, dispute things that I saw in the program, and again, the parents of these children did not seem to think their children had been set up in a sting. The article on Global Research discusses the theatrical actions taken by the govt when the men were brought to trial and again makes a giant leap from that action to an assumption that the men were not engaged in any activity prior to their arrest, or even prior to their encounter with Shaikh, that was intended as a terrorist act. However, the program notes that they were initially identified by the contacts these men initiated with people associated with terrorism who lived outside North America.
Maybe they were totally set up. However, the Global Research article doesn’t seem to provide any actual evidence to support its denials. Because Shaikh was paid…is that a basis for an assumption that what he’s said are lies? Aren’t informants regularly paid in some form or another? If they were seeking material to create a bomb, and if their group had been infiltrated, is it entrapment if they are seeking the products on their own for their own stated purposes prior to their arrest?
Maybe I don’t have all the information about this situation.
But I do have to wonder if I am the only person on this board who thinks that actual “terrorists” exist who are not controlled by or “created” via entrapment by the US — their existence fits the understanding (from various sources, not the Bushies, etc.) that current situations are more like McTerror franchises and are not part of one monolithic “al qaeda.”
anyway, yes, please watch the program. I’d be interested to hear your feedback after you see it. Since it aired tonight, it will surely be repeated this week at some other time.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 31 2007 7:31 utc | 18

Olmert approves movement of the wall

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has approved the moving of the separation barrier at least five kilometers eastward from the Green Line in the area of Modi’in Ilit, in order to take in the settlements of Nili and Na’aleh, according to security sources and a brief submitted by the state to the High Court of Justice.
The new route will create two Palestinian enclaves containing about 20,000 people. Nili and Na’aleh together have some 1,500 residents.

Posted by: ww | Jan 31 2007 8:18 utc | 19

Israel Immigration
Not sure if these facts have been posted in answer to the controversy above on immigration to Israel. Immigration is down over all because of decrease from Russia but..

Aliya from North America rose to 3,200 in 2006 from 2,900 in 2005 and just 1,700 four years ago. Immigration from Britain rose to 720 this year from 481 last year. About 2,900 came from France, slightly down on 2005.

Posted by: ww | Jan 31 2007 9:59 utc | 20

fauxreal- i’ll try to catch the program. what i’m pointing out above is that the track record on these terrorist plot stories post-911 that involve an international terrorist conspiracy, esp AQ, is both pathetic & alarming. i’m not trying to argue the context of that author’s article, only that we should exercise extreme caution in accepting the stories that law enforcement officials, whatever the govt, are putting out. nobody sane that i know of is saying that terrorists, however one chooses to define such, do not exist or have intentions toward payback at repressors which can be legitimately called terrorism. but an international organization of terrorists that have seeded sleeper cells across north america & the globe, which collectively seek to destroy the western world because they hate democracy is fantasy. and so it the idea of a “franchise” level seeking the same.
i’ve quoted a lot from r.t. naylor’s book, satanic purses: money, myth, and misinformation in the war on terror, over the past month. naylor is widely recognized in the criminal justice field in north america as an expert on illicit money flows, financial fraud, & criminal enterprises. his latest book covers the results of his investigations & relates his informed conclusions after pursuing the stories that have been put forth re “terrorist financing and the structure and organization of terrorist groups.” as is probably apparent in the extracts i’ve posted previously, naylor found “egregious flaws” in their stories, identified patterns in cases made for prosecution which simply shouldn’t hold up in fair legal procedings, and outlines the changes that have resulted in the u.s. legal system & law-enforcement agencies wrt pursuit of the war on terror (and the war on terror-dollars) & the likely consequences of those decisions.
on UBL and AQ, he writes

The role of bin Laden in various terrorist outrages has been grossly exaggerated; al-Qa’idah is largely a law-enforcement fable akin to the Mafia myth that has long confused public discourse and muddled legislative responses to crime; the notion of an economic war against the West is a fantasy peddled jointly by bin Laden and by the legions of instant “national security experts” whom the purported threat of Islamic Terrorism permitted to crawl out of the woodwork and into TV studios; most stories about the bin Laden terror-treasury are fairy tales retailed by people overendowed with ambition or imagination and underendowed with knowledge of common sense; and the usual portrayal of things like the “underground banking system” or Islamic charities is the result largely of ignorance combined with ethnoreligious bigotry.

my knowledge of the case in toronto is superficial at this point, but what i have read did allude to attempts to make such connections to a larger terrorist structure.
on the danger of terror organizations, naylor writes

Simply put, there is no such thing as a “terrorist organization.” Terrorism is not an objective of political action but one of several means that might be employed by the dangerous, the devious, or the merely disenfranchised to advance political ends.
Furthermore, the term “terrorist organization” functions much like “organized crime” to shift attention away from exploring political, social, and economic conditions that breed the acts, and therefore away from attempting to understand what motivates the perpetrators or what they seek to achieve. Thus is pre-empts a possibly inconvenient or embarrassing answer. Instead the focus is on the evil inherent in the actors (and, by inference, in others of similar genotype).

yes, there are ppl very worked up about the injustices they see being waged against their ideas/interests, but they are not limited to muslims. and, yes, entrapment is a common tactic for taking out individuals & groups perceived as risks, but when the lines of criminal jurisdiction are muddled by the strong presence of political motives, we need to be very sure that the proofs offered up qualify as “beyond reasonable doubt.” and, given this recent history of like cases, that overridding burden should be placed on the accusser, not the detained, whom should still be entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. many people think about doing all kinds of things. i suppose this starts to get into that area of what is deemed to be necessary when up against the ticking alarm clock that will wake up the next sleeper cell in your neighborhood, so that thought crimes are no different than physically following through w/ action.
and i’ve seen stuff on frontline over the years that i’d call mis/disinformation & biased propaganda, whatever their intent. i’ll check it out & try to look further into the case to make more specific comments in the future.

Posted by: b real | Jan 31 2007 18:05 utc | 21

b real
that is also the argument of a european think tank – that released its report this month. that the ‘terrorists’ were dissafected & relatively unpoliticised people, that they had no connection to a q or in fact any formal relation with any muslim organisation. their independence a& their amateurism is marked
& i have thought that since 2001 – in the rest of the world – they have chosen soft targets – phillipines or indonesia (bali), the actions that took place in spain & in london were not expert in either their organisation or their conception. murdochs monster have created a beast that on closer observation reveals no such substantive threat
if you remember the irish national liberation army which must have been all of 10 people – yes they were capable of effecting actions – but they were action stripped of any real signification other than the carnage they mirrored from their colonisers
in iraq it is clear to anyone with eyes & ears that the resistance in a formal & conceptual level is national & not religious whatever andersoon cooper or our own slothrop want to suggest
yes fauxreal – formations must exist – i’d suggest mostly in familial or tribal groupings elsewhere but i believe that their organisational level is very weak indeed
& i would accept that dicum that terrorism is really only the free market of force – that the state does not possess a monopoly on violence

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 31 2007 21:59 utc | 22

the think tank is called – the netherland institute of international relations – they also speak of “radicalising without any external influence – the author of the report is edward bakker
but he speaks more of a search for identity than a search for political sense

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 31 2007 22:11 utc | 23

Contrary to what we hear everyday, I guess NOT EVERYBODY is better off with Saddam gone: Another appeal from the U.N. Refugee Agency:
UN refugee agency issues new appeal for help for Palestinians fleeing persecution in Iraq.

Posted by: Rick | Feb 2 2007 1:48 utc | 24