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January 6, 2007
Open Thread 07-003
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we’re baaaaaaaaacccck! Posted by: bertold brecht brigade | Jan 6 2007 21:44 utc | 1 US marines killed Iraqis one by one in Haditha: report Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 6 2007 21:49 utc | 2 Welcome back amazons!
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 6 2007 22:01 utc | 3 Report from Berlin: Posted by: bertold brecht brigade | Jan 6 2007 22:50 utc | 5 hey, me here. it cannot be overstated none of this, none of us could be experiencing this miracle of onlineness becomes reality without you know who. w/the same determination he applies to our home here he has applied to showing us his home. i, in my naivete assumed this was going to be a much more laisse faire event. ah .. this was no blind leading the blind, it was him… leading us, showing us history thru his eyes. it only became apparent to me a thousand steps in that every step was orchestrated , carefully planned. and we were not an easily conforming group in any sort of lockstep (he said something about herding cats more than once!!) we looked more like a straggling assortment of farm animals, me the taggler, always last in line (i slow, i see, i suffer) different drummers, different paces, but all same heart this group of ours. Posted by: bertold brecht brigade | Jan 6 2007 23:10 utc | 6 askod has to leave soon to go to the landing pod at hamburger’s. boooo hooo. Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 6 2007 23:30 utc | 7 as ever and more than ever, words fail me but what everyone else said and special thanks from me to b for helping me negotiate in the flea market this morning. Posted by: bertold brecht brigade | Jan 6 2007 23:34 utc | 8 One of the astounding things I have noticed about meeting online people before is how exactly the same people are once the initial shock wears off. They really do talk in the same way. Fit into the same patterns, for better or worse. Better seems to be the case this time. Posted by: Rowan | Jan 6 2007 23:58 utc | 9 extree! extree! Posted by: bertold brecht brigade | Jan 7 2007 0:44 utc | 10 ahem. Maybelline forever strong shade #40 force et tendresse. Posted by: bertold brecht brigade | Jan 7 2007 0:51 utc | 11 for the record. some of the trip was about the exhale, as well. Posted by: fauxreal of the bbb | Jan 7 2007 1:12 utc | 12 Maybelline “forever strong”….. Posted by: Maxcrat | Jan 7 2007 1:13 utc | 13 I am putting a call out to all the wonderful people commenting here. One of our loveliest commenters is experiencing the loss of a loved one. Grief and the comforting of someone experiencing bereavement must be so carefully undertaken, I am suddenly aware that I know so little about Christian culture and what is appropriate to say and not to. Posted by: Amurra | Jan 7 2007 1:23 utc | 16 amurra Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 7 2007 1:34 utc | 18 Amurra #16: Is this someone you know personally, or have developed a connection to through blog commenting? Is this person American or long-time resident in the U.S.? Posted by: Maxcrat | Jan 7 2007 1:52 utc | 19 wise words, maxcrat. and thank you, amurra. you are a kind soul. my guess is that is all a matter of time. Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 7 2007 2:12 utc | 20 the independent reports that the psa law in iraq is being drafted by the u.s. and will come before the iraqi parliament within days. the provision will give big oil companies 30 year contracts to “modernize” iraq’s oil industry allowing them to take up to 75 per cent of the profits will last until they have recouped initial drilling costs. after that, they would collect about 20 per cent of all profits – twice the industry average for such deals.
bought and f**king sold. Posted by: conchita | Jan 7 2007 3:15 utc | 22 Conchita: more stuff for “their own good” Posted by: Rick | Jan 7 2007 3:40 utc | 23 It’s certainly not done as well as Billmon’s “compare-n-contrast” literary style, but even US conservatives are starting to have trouble swallowing the cognitive dissonance that resonates like a death knell from the Republican Party. No amount of selective amnesia is going to wipe away the vile hubris formerly displayed by the likes of such tools as Michael Ledeen or Charles Krauthammer. That these people who have been so incredibly, consistently and demonstrably wrong are still paid to write their “informed opinions”, while people like Bernhard, Billmon, Jérôme, Badger, Justin Raimondo (aw, Christ… I could go on and on… and that’s not even mentioning the sensible contributors here) are still plugging away in relative obscurity… well today, I’m feeling a little bitter about it.
There’s a lot of bold-sounding initiatives in a short space of time (but we’re getting used to that, right?). Let’s take a closer look at just one of the proposals being rushed through; namely, the War Profiteering Prevention Act of 2007 (introduced by Senator Patrick Leahy [D-Vt]).
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So, you see? Everything’s covered. These things happen… mistakes… blah, blah, blah. Now is the time for us to begin the process of healing by… well, forgetting anything happened. Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 7 2007 5:55 utc | 24 Amurra- to our fellow moonbeam who has lost a loved one- may she find comfort in the community of friends, both here and where ever she locates her corporeal self. it is hard to say goodbye, whether for the moment or for a lifetime. don’t know if anyone is watching this or if they even care but a small shitstorm descended over Poland the last month or so regarding an arch bishop who has finally admitted to colloborating with the commies against his own church. Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 7 2007 15:56 utc | 29 dismal science and other gardeners: i finally had a chance yesterday to clean up and mulch my garden in preparation for the onslaught of winter. hard to believe i am still waiting, but it was over sixty degrees in new york yesterday. weird. so in my roof garden i found many things still green and some even still blooming – roses, honeysuckle, nurembergia, clematis, snapdragons. i also found my daffodils beginning to poke above ground. if my little rooftop biosystem is this messed up, the world is in a sorry place. Posted by: conchita | Jan 7 2007 21:03 utc | 30 @dan – watched that and I had expected him to stay anyhow – good he resigned – it will hopefully reduce the power of the vatican over poland a bit … Feds pushing for Internet records
You know, it’s ‘for the children’…/sarcasm Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2007 22:30 utc | 32 sometime ago there was discussion here about the effects of global warming on animals and migration habits. this article from the vancouver sun talks about what is being seen in canada. animals and birds are confused and staying north and not adopting their usual hibernatory habits. wildlife experts are concerned about the consequences when there the temperature finally plunges. Posted by: conchita | Jan 8 2007 0:16 utc | 33 kunstler (from b’s link): yet, marvelous to relate, the whole toxic, entropy-laden, creaking, reeking cargo of shit-and-deceit that comprised this system just managed to keep rolling along for another year without collapsing under its own stinking, fantastically stupid weight Posted by: Dismal Science | Jan 8 2007 2:19 utc | 34 @conchita Posted by: crone | Jan 8 2007 3:11 utc | 35 i’ve always been happy with our small little blog.you all are the cream of the crop in my opinon.every once in a while though,the point has been raised that we could use more posters.anyway daily kos is updating its blog links.so my question is should we be added to the list?in one repect i think the moon has the best info. and i would like to expose others to this info.on the other hand i would hate to get to much attention.then again out of the visitors we do get, we seem to only retain the good ones so far as i can tell.i would never do something like this without hearing from the rest of you.so let me know what you think.conchita you read kos what do you think? Posted by: onzaga | Jan 8 2007 3:15 utc | 36 I’m back in Oregon, missing alles des Moonkinder. Not sure what time my body thinks it is; chased the sunrise for 10 hours today, even got ahead of it for a bit at the furthest north point of our arc. At that point, the woman in the window seat told me she thought she could see a comet off our left wing tip. It was really bright, with a distinct tail–I found myself wondering, since I hadn’t heard any news recently about bright comets, if it was Venus being distorted through the plastic of the window. Best candidate may not be so, since it’s mostly visible in southern hemisphere. It was quite bright. I’m not enough of an astronomer to confirm, can anyone help? Posted by: catlady | Jan 8 2007 3:59 utc | 37 Interesting opinion in the Independent:
Posted by: Bea | Jan 8 2007 4:25 utc | 38 onzaga, i understand what you mean about the “riff raff” factor of dkos, but i agree that we seem to retain only the good ones, so i think it would be a potentially good thing. but really the decision is bernhard’s to make. i’m sure he will be up in a couple of hours hamburg time and will weigh in. Posted by: conchita | Jan 8 2007 4:27 utc | 39 glad you had a safe landing catlady (life of the party) we miss you. faux leaves in an hr 🙁 Posted by: Rick | Jan 8 2007 4:55 utc | 42 there are about 1,000 currently serving military signers to a petition for appeal for redress to be delivered to congress in mid-January. the action is being compared to 1969, when 1,366 active-duty service members signed a full-page ad in the nyt calling for an end to the vietnam war. because they are petitioning their congressional representatives the uniformed signers should not be subject to reprisals within the military. the appeal consistes of three simple sentences with a powerful message:
petition signers include 75% enlisted and 25% reserves and spans ethnic lines and ranks and includes a good number of colonels. Posted by: conchita | Jan 8 2007 7:16 utc | 44 @Amurra & friend, Posted by: citizen | Jan 8 2007 7:43 utc | 45 Britons to be scanned for FBI database
Posted by: Bea | Jan 8 2007 8:09 utc | 46
Posted by: ww | Jan 8 2007 8:33 utc | 48 BINGO Posted by: jj | Jan 8 2007 9:53 utc | 49 Iraqi trade union leaders who met recently in Jordan suggested that the legislation would cause uproar once its terms became known among ordinary Iraqis. Posted by: jj | Jan 8 2007 10:15 utc | 50 The Strait of Hormuz: It’s Not That Bad, It’s Worse
This is the good news. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 8 2007 12:28 utc | 51 Exxon secrets… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 8 2007 14:40 utc | 52 MSNBC TV : Gas Odor comming from Manhattan somewhere Posted by: Alert! via Uncle $cam | Jan 8 2007 14:59 utc | 53 For those who have not read this article before, please do: Posted by: Rick | Jan 8 2007 14:59 utc | 54 CoverUp : Iraqi Court Drops Charges Against Saddam… Posted by: the Ghost of Saddam Hussein | Jan 8 2007 19:52 utc | 55 Laura Rozen: Cheney’s Dead-Enders
Intelligence Personnel shake-up meant to pave the way for attack on Iran – Raw Story
Many more details available in the full story. Posted by: Bea | Jan 8 2007 20:52 utc | 57 Very insightful piece on the politics and economics of oil in the Iraq war. H/T Helena Cobban.
Posted by: Bea | Jan 8 2007 21:04 utc | 58 here’s a companion piece to Bea’s #58 link.
Posted by: b real | Jan 8 2007 21:32 utc | 59 Clear as day:
Bingo — Doesn’t the rush to execute Saddam, and release the video to stress that Sadr’s forces were taunting him, now make perfect sense? Driving a wedge between the two powers whose uniting, should it occur, would gravely jeopardize the passage of the hydrocarbon law? Posted by: Bea | Jan 8 2007 21:36 utc | 60 Comet confirmation: Posted by: catlady | Jan 8 2007 21:36 utc | 61 Comet confirmation: Posted by: catlady | Jan 8 2007 21:38 utc | 62 at the risk of arousing bob m.’s ire, i cannot help myself and must post this link to the most recent update on the paulson-wanta story. paulson flew to israel in a rush and we can be relieved that cheney not he has been in control of the money bags since. recommend donning tinfoil and sense of humour first before linking. i do wonder if bev marcus is moonlighting as a copywriter for them. the reality is though, for all of her hyperbole and teeth-gnashing, bev is right about the black boxes. wonder if these guys are too…. Posted by: conchita | Jan 8 2007 21:53 utc | 64 Who cares about my ire? If you want to believe in fairy tales go ahead. Every source that guy quotes is just a varying version of his own website. It’s impossible to understand this guy’s feverish reasoning as to exactly why the financial world is so threatened by this Wanta guy, and why — if the world was so threatened by it — Cheney would hesitate to put a hit out on the guy. Why do “several media sites” even need to be paid off to keep a secret? They seem to enjoy carrying the regimes dirty water in every other case. Posted by: Bob M. | Jan 8 2007 22:53 utc | 66 bob m., i did mention a sense of humour. obviously, whoever is writing the stuff on this site lacks lucidity. however, it is (nearly) laughable, except that you are right there are large, ominously large, things to worry about. my guess is this is a prime example of they might be referring to when they say the “loony left”. it seems unlikely that there is a kernel of truth at the heart of it, but one never knows. as i read it, i was mildly amused by the tone and since it came in my email i thought why not give others something to shake their heads at. Posted by: conchita | Jan 9 2007 0:00 utc | 67 Just Curious. Posted by: Ms. M. | Jan 9 2007 0:22 utc | 68 TypeFuck went really nuts on that one! Posted by: Ms. M. | Jan 9 2007 0:25 utc | 69 More on Somalia airstrike here… Posted by: Rick | Jan 9 2007 0:45 utc | 71 DEBKAfile: Three US Norfolk-based amphibious assault ships set out for Persian Gulf Saturday Posted by: Rick | Jan 9 2007 1:06 utc | 72 chavez announced plans today to nationalize venezuela’s electricity and telecommunications companies. the nyse immediately stopped trading of cantv. nationalizing electricity seems like a good idea, not as certain about the telecommunications. somehow i can’t get excited about the idea of government controlled tv networks. Posted by: conchita | Jan 9 2007 1:10 utc | 73 My purpose here is not to dispute Global Warming, but to keep things in perspective as I read so many posts here about the warm winter. Posted by: Rick | Jan 9 2007 1:43 utc | 74 Closing the ‘Collapse Gap’: US 2007 vs USSR 1991 viz.
(nicked off C Stross’s blog) Posted by: Dismal Science | Jan 9 2007 1:48 utc | 75 re Rick’s at #74–indeed, and Denver is getting socked again too. Posted by: catlady | Jan 9 2007 2:43 utc | 76 @catlady (post 76): I expect extreme weather, hot and cold and really windy, all over the world…” Posted by: Rick | Jan 9 2007 3:16 utc | 77 Bush Senior Early CIA Ties Revealed
Also see, Dallas police seal off book depository building guess whose there… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2007 3:54 utc | 78 WTF:
re rick’s links on u.s. shooting up bogeymen in somalia, the nbc rpt says the target may have been “leader of al-Qaida’s East Africa cell … Fazul Abdullah Mohammed”
so here you’ve got an american army officer who was an “AQ trainer” turned parrot. polly wanna raghead …ACK!. Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2007 4:58 utc | 80 oh hell, al-Fadl is listed as an associate of fazul right under ali. keep your ducks in a row. i mean parrots. ACK! Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2007 5:14 utc | 81 b real, Posted by: Rick | Jan 9 2007 5:20 utc | 82 and another source is wadih el hage
and, upon further thought, i realize that the listing w/ ali mohammed i posted is just a list of people who can be associated w/ fazul, not necessarily that they have provided intel on him. that is one of the only tactics that the u.s. has “successfully” used to pursue their terrorists – guilty of conspiracy thru association, of any reach. even having an arab-sounding name, in some cases. Posted by: b real | Jan 9 2007 5:56 utc | 83 Somalia: Ethiopian Fighter Jets Bomb Southern Region Posted by: Rick | Jan 9 2007 6:21 utc | 84 Familiar Routine, eh? Posted by: Rick | Jan 9 2007 6:32 utc | 85 With re: to #55
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2007 8:02 utc | 86 thanks b,i just went over and put in my 2cents.and a most wonderful review.so we’ll see what happens when they start their review of suggestions.either way thanks for being here for all of us. Posted by: onzaga | Jan 9 2007 11:05 utc | 87 re b’s #79
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2007 14:38 utc | 88 |
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