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January 31, 2007
Manifest Tragedy

William Pfaff, a longtime foreign affairs columnist, has a long thoughtful piece in the current New York Review of Books: Manifest Destiny: A New Direction for America. I recommend to read it in full.

As it touches on some discussions we had about a policy of nonintervention being effete and naive, I excerpt some parts and add emphasis to some thoughts that caught my attention.

It is something like a national heresy to suggest that the United States does not have a unique moral status and role to play in the history of nations, and therefore in the affairs of the contemporary world. In fact it does not.

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This is a national conceit that is the comprehensible result of the religious beliefs of the early New England colonists (Calvinist religious dissenters, moved by millenarian expectations and theocratic ideas), which convinced them that their austere settlements in the wilderness represented a new start in humanity’s story.

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The nobility of the colonies’ constitutional deliberations following the War of Independence, and the expression of the new thought of the Enlightenment in the institutions of government they created, contributed to this belief in national uniqueness.

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A claim to preeminent political virtue is a claim to power, a demand that other countries yield to what Washington asserts as universal interests
. Since 1989, when the end of the cold war left the United States the "sole superpower," much has been made of this, with discussion of a benevolent (or even inevitable) American world hegemony or empire—a Pax Americana in succession to the Pax Britannica. While such ideas have not been explicit in official discourse, they seem all but universally assumed, in one or another form, in policy and political circles.

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The UN is a faulty embodiment of international authority because it is an indiscriminate assembly of all the governments of the world, and should, [Rice] argued, be replaced as the ultimate world authority by an alliance or coalition of the democracies. This is a theme frequently promoted in conservative circles in Washington.

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[B]oth the professional foreign policy community and American opinion generally seem to assume that the international system is "naturally" headed toward an eventual American-led consolidation of democratic authority over international affairs.

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The Bush administration and its sympathizers thus see themselves supporting the dominant force in history’s development. If history’s natural trajectory is toward democracy, US policy is simply to accelerate the inevitable.
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However, it is in the nature of political relationships that an effort to translate a position of material superiority into power over others will provoke resistance and may fail, possibly in costly ways. In the present case, it implies the subordination of others, notably the other democracies that are expected to accept US leadership in a new international order, and may resist this for a variety of well-founded reasons.

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It seems scarcely imaginable that the present administration could shift course away from the interventionist military and political policies of recent decades, let alone its own highly aggressive version of them since 2001, unless it were forced to do so by (eminently possible) disaster in the Middle East. Whether a new administration in two years’ time might change direction seems the relevant question.
Yet little sign exists of a challenge in American foreign policy debates to the principles and assumptions of an international interventionism motivated by belief in a special national mission. The country might find itself with a new administration in 2009 which provides a less abrasive and more courteous version of the American pursuit of world hegemony, but one still condemned by the inherent impossibility of success.

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The intellectual and material commitments made during the past half-century of American military, bureaucratic, and intellectual investment in global interventionism will be hard to reverse. The Washington political class remains largely convinced that the United States supplies the essential structure of international security, and that a withdrawal of American forces from their expanding network of overseas military bases, or disengagement from present American interventions into the affairs of many dozens of countries, would destabilize the international system and produce unacceptable consequences for American security. Why this should be so is rarely explained.

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A noninterventionist policy would shun ideology and emphasize pragmatic and empirical judgment of the interests and needs of this nation and of others, with reliance on diplomacy and analytical intelligence, giving particular attention to history, since nearly all serious problems between nations are recurrent or have important recurrent elements in them. The current crises in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine-Israel, and Iran are all colonial or postcolonial in nature, which is generally ignored in American political and press discussion.

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A hard-headed doctrine concerning the responsibilities of people themselves may seem unacceptable when the CNN audience witnesses mass murder in Darfur, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Rwanda, and Bosnia. However an interventionist foreign policy in which the US aggressively interferes in other states in order to shape their affairs according to American interest or ideology is not the same as responding to atrocious public crimes.

The latter may be relatively simple to deal with, as in the case of Charles Taylor, onetime president of Liberia, responsible for several rapacious and exceptionally bloody West African conflicts, now being tried for war crimes in The Hague.

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The United States was fortunate to enjoy relative isolation for as long as it did. The conviction of Americans in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries that the country was exempt from the common fate has been succeeded in the twenty-first century by an American determination to fight (to "victory," as the President insists) against the conditions of existence history now actually does offer. It sets against them the consoling illusion that power will always prevail, despite the evidence that this is not true.
Schumpeter remarked in 1919 that imperialism necessarily carries the implication of

an aggressiveness, the true reasons for which do not lie in the aims which are temporarily being pursued…an aggressiveness for its own sake, as reflected in such terms as "hegemony," "world dominion," and so forth…expansion for the sake of expanding….

"This determination," he continues,

cannot be explained by any of the pretexts that bring it into action, by any of the aims for which it seems to be struggling at the time…. Such expansion is in a sense its own "object."

Perhaps this has come to apply in the American case, and we have gone beyond the belief in national exception to make an ideology of progress and universal leadership into our moral justification for a policy of simple power expansion. In that case we have entered into a logic of history that in the past has invariably ended in tragedy.

Comments

My view is that the American empire has existed for two hundred years. It began away from the great centers of power, gradually but steadily increasing in size and power: the Louisiana purchase, the Texas annexation, the Mexican conquest, the Gadsden purchase, the Alaska purchase, the interventions in Hispaniola, the interventions in Central America, the excision of Panama from Colombia, the acquisition of Puerto Rico Cuba and the Philipines, the acquisition of the Carolines and the Marianas, the Monroe Doctrine, the enormous success in both general wars and finally the blossoming of a culture that has inserted itself in the most remote places of the Earth. Our present predicament is not that of building an empire but of maintaining it. It is probably too expensive to keep it but for an empire it is impossible to renounce to its position as leader.

Posted by: jlcg | Jan 31 2007 16:44 utc | 1

well, pfaff is as good a policy wonk as there ever was. but this,

The current crises in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine-Israel, and Iran are all colonial or postcolonial in nature

undercuts the core of his argument against “interventionism.” these crises (as well as the sahel famines, etc.) implicate an overarching problem unacknowledged by pfaff: decline of modern state. the postcolonial states–the fiction of disparate sovereignties constructed by euro-conquests–are dissolute, kept together only by murder and money. the failure of the state system militates in some happy ways to northern elites who form a virtual capitalist class. but the decline of the saliency of the state is horrendous for somalia et al. they cannot resolve the burden of their histories–histories confiscated by colonialism–by reference to the logic of state sovereignty. the abstraction of the state can no longer serve this purpose for them. so, I find pfaff’s agreement with his mentor keenan that the state is a refuge from ideology and soteriology and conflict, a bit arrogant in a world in which the state-system is disintegrating.
basically, for pfaff: saddam forever!

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 17:19 utc | 2

When an empire can’t expand anymore, it tends to fail and fall. And I suspect that the fall’s pace is most of the time directly tied to the pace of expansion.
Make of that what you want.
Bottom line still is that Americans, including American leadership, have no fucking clue about long-term historic tendencies, and have no idea how to run an empire or how any empire that wish to last should work.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Jan 31 2007 17:20 utc | 3

@slothrop but the decline of the saliency of the state is horrendous for somalia et al. they cannot resolve the burden of their histories–histories confiscated by colonialism–by reference to the logic of state sovereignty.
Somalia just had started to regain something of a state sovereignty again last year. A Islam driven central state – not a western democracy – but at least some peace and unity after 15 years of brutal anarchie.
But then the empire stept in and a U.S. financed Ethiopian proxy-force drove the state out again – the anarchie is back.
It was the U.S. empire – plain and simple – that dissolved the Somalian state. To then blame the Somalies that “they cannot resolve the burden of their histories”> is quite an achievement.

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 17:54 utc | 4

Fitting Chalmers Johnson is discussing his new book at TPMCafe: Empire v. Democracy

By the time I came to write Nemesis, I no longer doubted that maintaining our empire abroad required resources and commitments that would inevitably undercut, or simply skirt, what was left of our domestic democracy and that might, in the end, produce a military dictatorship or — far more likely — its civilian equivalent. The combination of huge standing armies, almost continuous wars, an ever growing economic dependence on the military-industrial complex and the making of weaponry, and ruinous military expenses as well as a vast, bloated “defense” budget, not to speak of the creation of a whole second Defense Department (known as the Department of Homeland Security) has been destroying our republican structure of governing in favor of an imperial presidency.

We are on the brink of losing our democracy for the sake of keeping our empire. Once a nation starts down that path, the dynamics that apply to all empires come into play — isolation, overstretch, the uniting of local and global forces opposed to imperialism, and in the end bankruptcy.

So my own hope is that — if the American people do not find a way to choose democracy over empire — at least our imperial venture will end not with a nuclear bang but a financial whimper.

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 17:58 utc | 5

I agree w/ your assessment of somalia, afaik. bush et al. are a gang of evil morons. be that as it may, what to do about a world state system under collapse cannot be evidently solved by a retreat into the useless abstraction of the state. this is even more the case for the former 3rd world. and pfaff doesn’t directly consider this reality in this piece.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 18:07 utc | 6

chalmers johnson at tomdispatch – preview of Nemesis. i linked to him last night on the sacrifice thread in a different context, but he is even more relevant here.

Posted by: conchita | Jan 31 2007 18:22 utc | 7

I for one don’t think the “world state system” is “under collapse”, though the empire would like that to be the case it be and tries its best to break the system.
Pfaff writes exactly about that:

The most coherent and plausible official articulation of such reasoning was offered in the summer of 2003 by Condoleezza Rice, then President Bush’s national security adviser, speaking in London at the annual meeting of the International Institute for Strategic Studies. She said that the time had come to discard the system of balance of power among sovereign states established by the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648. The Westphalian settlement ended the wars of religion by establishing the principles of religious tolerance and absolute state sovereignty. The UN is a faulty embodiment of international authority because it is an indiscriminate assembly of all the governments of the world, and should, she argued, be replaced as the ultimate world authority by an alliance or coalition of the democracies. This is a theme frequently promoted in conservative circles in Washington.
In the past, she said, balance of power may have “sustained the absence of war” but did not promote an enduring peace. “Multipolarity,” she continued, “is a theory of rivalry; of competing interests—and at its worst, competing values. We have tried this before. It led to the Great War….”
Foreign policies of power balance were, of course, a response to the rise of nation-states of varying weight and ambition, which, in order to preserve their independence and protect their national interests, had no alternative to policies that “balanced” their relations and alliances with others in order to contain rival interests and conflicting ambitions. The only apparent alternative to such a policy is submission of all to a dominant power. Rice’s seeming confidence that such conflicts and rivalries would not create problems in some new international organization of the democracies would seem very optimistic.

So why should this system collapsing? I don’t see that coming.

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 18:37 utc | 8

Interesting tit-bit supporting C. Johnson view of probable militray dictatorship in the U.S.

Vice President Cheney and senior military officials attended a Republican policy lunch yesterday, which turned into a raucous debate about the various resolutions, according to a party leadership aide. Bush will meet with GOP senators on Friday as the White House continues to try to tamp down opposition.

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Why would “senior military officials” attend a closed discussion of the representatives and senators of one party? Intimidation?

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 18:41 utc | 9

jclg @1, chalmers johnson is quite clear on the conflict between empire and democracy and cites great britain as an example of a country choosing democracy over empire:

We are on the brink of losing our democracy for the sake of keeping our empire. Once a nation starts down that path, the dynamics that apply to all empires come into play — isolation, overstretch, the uniting of local and global forces opposed to imperialism, and in the end bankruptcy.
History is instructive on this dilemma. If we choose to keep our empire, as the Roman republic did, we will certainly lose our democracy and grimly await the eventual blowback that imperialism generates. There is an alternative, however. We could, like the British Empire after World War II, keep our democracy by giving up our empire. The British did not do a particularly brilliant job of liquidating their empire and there were several clear cases where British imperialists defied their nation’s commitment to democracy in order to hang on to foreign privileges. The war against the Kikuyu in Kenya in the 1950s and the Anglo-French-Israeli invasion of Egypt in 1956 are particularly savage examples of that. But the overall thrust of postwar British history is clear: the people of the British Isles chose democracy over imperialism.
In her book The Origins of Totalitarianism, the political philosopher Hannah Arendt offered the following summary of British imperialism and its fate:
“On the whole it was a failure because of the dichotomy between the nation-state’s legal principles and the methods needed to oppress other people permanently. This failure was neither necessary nor due to ignorance or incompetence. British imperialists knew very well that ‘administrative massacres’ could keep India in bondage, but they also knew that public opinion at home would not stand for such measures. Imperialism could have been a success if the nation-state had been willing to pay the price, to commit suicide and transform itself into a tyranny. It is one of the glories of Europe, and especially of Great Britain, that she preferred to liquidate the empire.”
I agree with this judgment. When one looks at Prime Minister Tony Blair’s unnecessary and futile support of Bush’s invasion and occupation of Iraq, one can only conclude that it was an atavistic response, that it represented a British longing to relive the glories — and cruelties — of a past that should have been ancient history.

Posted by: conchita | Jan 31 2007 18:51 utc | 10

well b, I suppose the place to start is why you believe the state system is not declining.
for example, notwithstanding gaullist dreams of french/german leadership of europe against american power, europe is much too fractious to develop a consensus that would include military integration. only nato, led by u.s. can hope to do that. really, the attitude you have that european disunity and euro-dissolution is a triumph, is really a luxury provided to you by american-led security in the postwar era. elsewhere, this dissolution of the state-system is resulting in chaos requiring multilateral responses to mitigate the insupperable umnravelings of the state.
the van creveld boiok on the decline of the state is excellent, as is castell’s new millennium and brzezinski’s out of control. to name a few.
we’re not all europeans, you know. iraq isn’t benelux. iraq isn’t anything. that’s the problem pfaff doesn’t engage.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 19:01 utc | 11

This quotation from Helena Cobban’s new interview with Imad Moustapha, the Syrian Ambassador to the US, seems pertinent to include on a thread entitled “Manifest Tragedy” in a discussion of empire overextending its reach:

“Look , they don’t even seem to be able to control Haifa Street, which is just a kilometer or so away from the Green Zone. How on earth do they hope to control the whole country?”

Posted by: Bea | Jan 31 2007 19:03 utc | 12

but, i regret to admit, the monstrous venality and outright stupidity of bush et al. obviate every reasonable response to every conceivable crisis we collectively face. the imminent/ongoing war against iran is shocking, criminal. bush must be stopped.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 19:13 utc | 13

to add to my #11: euro states enjoy economic and scattershot political unification because of u.s. military led security. ditto for taiwan, japan, korea, israel. it’s ok if you can deal w/ growing inequities and the dismantling of the welfare state. elsewhere, the state’s decline is catastrophic.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 19:18 utc | 14

slothrop – a consensus that would include military integration. only nato, led by u.s. can hope to do that. really, the attitude you have that european disunity and euro-dissolution is a triumph, is really a luxury provided to you by american-led security in the postwar era.
On the first issue – the European militray is quite integrated. But there is no enemy, so any further integration would be useless. Ever heared of Eurocorps? Those are nine full combat brigades plus the assorted usual additions – certainly not insignificant in todays environment …

The Eurocorps was created in 1992 as the concrete implementation of a political will that has developed since the 1950’s.
The Eurocorps comprises military contributions from its five framework nations: Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg and Spain. The Headquarters, in which soldiers from the member states and also from Austria, Canada, Greece, Italy, Poland and Turkey participate, is located in Strasbourg, France.

On the second issue, my alledged attitude that european disunity and euro-dissolution is a triumph. Where have I “triumphed”?
Then of course I don’t see that disunity – I see lots of efforts to make the EU, a project already some 50 years old, better and more responsive to the will of the European people. Certainly this deserves and gets lots of discussions, but only few want to abandon the project at all. So what “disunity”?
And “euro-dissolution” is quite meaningless to me – so I have no idea what you are saying there. If you mean the currency, well it’s the most used currency (in actual notes) in the world. Quite a dissolution …

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 19:37 utc | 15

i meant the dissolution of the european state. afaik eurocorps complemnents nato.
in any case, according to someone like brzezinski, in the choice book, europe combining to challenge u.,s. military power is unlikely for forseeable future, i.e., no multipolar order in imminent. further, what you perceive as econ and marginal political cooperation is luxury owed to decades of u.s. “security.” I don’t like the arrangement, but this is the reality afaik.
But there is no enemy, so any further integration would be useless.
as i say, this is a luxury you have because of what we here persist in calling american “imperialism.”

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 19:54 utc | 16

@slothrop – lots of afaik – maybe you should catch up a bit?
Eurocorps is designed to (and can) act autonomous … but it can act within nato too of course – that’s the idea …
Where did I ever say that I agree with Brzezinski?
Why should Europe challenge the U.S. military? There is just no reason to do so – if the u.s. wants to walk off the cliff, why bother? Just get into a good position to take the best pictures …
The “luxury you have because of what we here persist in calling american “imperialism.”?
What luxury? What was the benefit for Europe?
The “B team” leading an arms race with the USSR in the 70s/80s? Where was the benefit for Europe in that? Feeding the U.S. military/industrial complex with buying Starfighters and Patriots?
What’s the benefit for Europe in the U.S. invading Afghanistan, Iraq, bombing Iran, the dissolution of Yugoslavia … I haven’t seen any benefit … not for Europe nor anybody else in this world – except of of course the U.S. military/industrial complex …
The Russians at least are feeding my heater for a fair price … payed in Euros by the way …

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 20:34 utc | 17

b @ 17: What luxury? What was the benefit for Europe?
I wonder if this is what slothrop is implying. From Pfaff:

The Washington political class remains largely convinced that the United States supplies the essential structure of international security, and that a withdrawal of American forces from their expanding network of overseas military bases, or disengagement from present American interventions into the affairs of many dozens of countries, would destabilize the international system and produce unacceptable consequences for American security. Why this should be so is rarely explained.

I.e., because the US took on the burden of “defense”, Europe had the luxury to use its wealth to provide for its citizens universal health care, free education, long vacs, all the goodies of the welfare state, etc. This seems to be a common view in the US – I’ve heard this argument from members of my own American family.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 31 2007 21:06 utc | 18

eurocorps troops are drawn from nato. i’m sure you’d agree eurocorps willingness and ability to respond to operations the size of kosovo or afghanistan (regardless whether these operations are moral)would be unlikely in the extreme. as i recall, britain is not a member partly because eurocorps is so impotent.
also, regardless what i think about the merits of u.s. power and regardless of the merits of your supersilious finger-wagging, european econ power, achieved by the decline of state sovereignty, is the product of american power. and will continue to be for some time so long as w doesn’t fuck things up.
just get into a good position to take the best pictures …
why is it only me here who must remind you that you better watch what you wish for. u.s. failure, achieved by bush, is a disasater for you too, my friend.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 21:11 utc | 19

I don’t even understand the controversy in the view the defeat of american power in iraq/m.e. and elsewhere is bad. I think much too often the view here is that this power is inherently evil, rather than the particular use of this power by bush is evil. the u.s. must lead, whether it wants to or not, a coalition of developed countries to intercede in the chaos of the postcolonial meltdown–a crisis created by europe.
b, your attitude somewhat reminds me of the belgian and french troops who nervously boarded flights out of kigali claiming their business in rwanda was over. incredibly cynical.
and then the usual reply: it’s america’s fault.
works every time.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 21:24 utc | 20

@slothrop – eurocorps troops are drawn from nato – no your -afaik- f seems quite limited there – they are drawn from NATIONAL troops – German, French, Belgium, Spain etc.
Your understanding of Nato is quite different from the European understanding … as for the Brits – there are good reasons why Bliar is called a poodle …
european econ power, achieved by the decline of state sovereignty
I am sure the “decline” of the state sovereignty somehow explains why Germany is exporting more than any other country in the world – for some decades already … it’s just that I am not able to get it … sorry for my poor capabilities …
and will continue to be for some time so long as w doesn’t fuck things up.
ok – why not nuke Europe – freedom fries will be available thanks to Idaho potatoes anyway …
u.s. failure, achieved by bush, is a disasater for you too, my friend.
Sure – we could not sell Airbus planes to Iraq or Afghanistan without the U.S. – we couldn’t even buy oil or carpets from them without the U.S. – we couldn’t even vacation there or greet Iraqi and Afghan tourists in our countries without bush …
thanks for that lecture – now how about arguments?

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 21:28 utc | 21

slothrop
read robert fisk – his recent & large book – which i am rereading & finding that your discourse especially on iraq mirrors exactly the words spoken by the british colonial & military elite. exactly. i will give you chapter & verse if you like & i am not suggesting an aleatory relationship – that you have with this discourse but that what you imagine is postmodern is simply another way of dominating
& your absence of specificity allows you to say the empire is nothing & then the empire is all (it is to them that you consistently argue are the only ones that can provide security for all the world) – so the empire is all & then it is nothing. there are no crimes for you – i don’t even know if you can conceive of acts. your idea of the postmodernity is not simply wrong it constitutes a form of feint – of distracting attention – from the crimes of the empire & of the necessary resistance to it
& the absence of specificity in your argument allows you to be too free with what facts – you do use but i think the question i find the most important because it is the most hidden in your postmodernity – is its profound racism. the arabs are nothing, they never were, they are crazy, they adore chaos, we in the west are the only ones to give order etc etc etc – such nonsenses & not least nonsense because they are well dressed in the theological language of a certain kind of social science – sometimes i feel it is something you are doing to be provocative, to open spaces that need to be opened – then at other times i feel the contrary – that in fact it mirrors a level of hermetic casuitry divorced from those simple & complex exigencies that we call war & peace

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 31 2007 21:39 utc | 22

@Hamburger – because the US took on the burden of “defense”, Europe had the luxury to use its wealth to provide for its citizens universal health care, free education, long vacs, all the goodies of the welfare state, etc. This seems to be a common view in the US – I’ve heard this argument from members of my own American family.
I’d challenge anyone claiming that to deliver some proving numbers – I have looked and didn’t find any – to the contrary – the Europeans poured endless billions into defense for no good reason but U.S. perceived threats about the USSR.
Read up on Willy Brandt.
The European redistribution model (it’s NOT about “welfare”, but fair sharing) was based on taxing the rich more to deliver a share to the poor. That is in danger now but lots of folks are fighting back.
It has nothing to do with any useless (see Iraq) U.S. “cover” at all.
Ask the Japanese and European central bankers how much was lost for them when Nixon closed the “window” to convert the “gold backed dollar” to actual gold.
The U.S. essentially lived on lones from Europe and Japan for years and then defaulted on them. The continental Europeans did evade the trap – the Brits did not (Soros anyone) – the Japanese payed with a hefty recession.
I’m sure the Chinese have a plan when that issue comes up again …

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 21:40 utc | 23

Fitting the theme, the “billmonesque” IOZ writes

The idea of “nation-building” is a euphemism for half-hearted attempts to Vichy-ize subordinated nations. When you hear Condoleeza Rice talking about overthrowing the old Westphalian notion of sovereign states; when you hear her talking about abandoning extant international institutions–flawed though they may be–for variously described coalitions of “democracies”; what you’re hearing is the description of an essentially medieval-feudal worldview, with the United States as monarch and the rest of the “democratic” world as a collection of fiefdoms paying tithes and raising armies when called upon to do so. Those in the not-so-democratic world, of course, are fair game.

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 21:42 utc | 24

b,
My comment in #18 below the Pfaff quote is not my view but rather a commonly held belief among Americans.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 31 2007 21:51 utc | 25

@Hamburger – My comment in #18 below the Pfaff quote is not my view but rather a commonly held belief among Americans.
Yes, I did recognize that and didn’t mean to attribute that to you personally in any way. I understood it as being something you quoted and did not agree to – sorry if that was misunderstood in the way I cited it.

Posted by: b | Jan 31 2007 21:58 utc | 26

well, after some minor checking, i was right about eurocorps. no matter.
everybody has a bad day, and i’ll disregard your hackneyed accusation i am a racist. in my view, what is most orientalist about your view of the present crisis is the romantic insistence the “arabs,” just as much as your monolithic “empire,” are uncomplicated by political and ideological diversity. everyday, i find the opposite is true. but such a view of matters is necessary for someone like you who needs to convince himself the hobbesian nightmare in the m.e. created by europe after all is no longer the business of europe, and is in fact preferred if it humiliates the u.s.
i deplore my fucking country’s use of power as much as you. but, only the cooperation of the industrialized north can hope to mitigate what is fast becoming a humanity-threatening war. as to whether the unlikely witness of events proves the magnificent destruction of your chimerical “empire,” i guess we’ll soon see. my hunch is your cranky isolation will be as rattled as mine, should the delicious failure of the u.s. come to pass.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 22:09 utc | 27

racism, in the sense slothrop that i have reread many many of your posts & i find tthat your conception of the arab people & especially of the iraquis is mostly framed in a perjorative way
& i was not being snide with the fisk reference – i read last night arguments for staying in iraq by the british elites that are exactly the same as your arguments – again i will reference thos if you like

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 31 2007 22:14 utc | 28

arab people & especially of the iraquis
an amazing contradiction. the pejoration here in your conception is the daily unwillingness of arabs in iraq to be either arab or iraqi. i of course would be a racist if i said this sad state of affairs is caused only by the people who live in that wretched place. of course, i’ve never said this. i think an assortment of ottoman sultans, gertrude bell and a little man named georges-picot are as much to blame for the originary deception of identities as much as any american infantryman.
ahhhh, but the pleasure to be german and nothing else. now, how do you suppose such existential comfort is maintained, if not by denying the same pleasure to everyone else? this is why europe will never be able to get its collective shit together to right its wrongs in the old third world.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 31 2007 22:46 utc | 29

On this date in 1797 Franz Peter Schubert was born. In the midst of all troubles let us remember him and his greatness. Few people have had such intimate contact with the sublime.

Posted by: jlcg | Jan 31 2007 22:59 utc | 30

My comment in #18 below the Pfaff quote is not my view but rather a commonly held belief among Americans.
the US took on the burden of “defense”, Europe had the luxury to use its wealth to provide for its citizens universal health care, free education, long vacs, all the goodies of the welfare state, etc.
hmm, perhaps my parents generation may have felt like this.
more common amoung the masses might be the idea that if we weren’t spending our treasure on foriegn offensive intervention we could afford to enjoy the benefits of our labor w/free health care and other social programs, like the europeans do. i think there is more than a little european envy floating around out there.
personally i haven’t heard the other view, i don’t doubt it wasn’t a common thought at one time or still isn’t in other parts of the country or otherhouseholds, just saying its new to me.

Posted by: annie | Jan 31 2007 23:37 utc | 31

iraq isn’t benelux. iraq isn’t anything.
Slothrop, you simply could not be more wrong. You really should read up on your Middle Eastern history before you make these sweeping assertions. You are wrong about how Iraqis think of themselves, wrong about the country of Iraq, and profoundly wrong about the fact that only the West can resurrect something viable out of that mess. All of these attitudes are just utterly dismissive of the people who live there, and their incredibly rich, thousands-year old history there in that land which is the cradle of civilization — as if they were somehow subhuman.
I don’t have time or patience now to link to sources to disprove it. Perhaps tomorrow, or if I get really inspired perhaps I can come up with a post. For now, please please don’t dig yourself any deeper into this hole. It is not a pretty sight.

Posted by: Bea | Feb 1 2007 1:07 utc | 32

From charles tripp’s intro history of Iraq:

Some of those who have ruled Iraq owed their existence to the formation of the state itself, such as the officers who had served under the sharif of Mecca during the First World War and who formed the backbone of the new Iraqi army in the ig2os. Others emerged from the economic changes that touched all sectors of Iraqi society during the twentieth century, such as the great landlords under the monarchy. Still others, such as the Kurdish or Shi’i leaders, or the rural clans that came to dominate the Iraqi security forces, are rooted in older communities, drawn into the field of distinctively Iraqi politics which has nevertheless changed them in significant ways. Thus the state has frequently been captured by distinct groups of Iraqis, but it has also played a role in reconstituting social identities through the logic of state power. In neither case has the process been complete. Nor has it always been clear which logic is the dominant one – that of state power, or that of the group which happens to be in the ascendant. It is this very ambiguity in the history of the relationship which is characteristic of the modern history of Iraq.
Equally distinctive has been the fact that neither the state as an abstraction, nor the groups or individuals who have commanded it, have [5] managed to ensure that the multiple histories of the Iraqis are subsumed into a single narrative of state power. Despite the material resources available to them and their sometimes ferocious methods, Iraq’s rulers have had little success in forcing the histories of Iraq’s various communities to conform with their own timetables and objectives. Indeed, the logic of the political survival of particular regimes has often dictated otherwise. Authoritarianism and skill at exploiting the fracture lines within the population, as well as restrictive understandings of political trust, have kept hierarchies of status and privilege intact. This has subverted the very idea of a national community in whose name successive governments have claimed to act.

good book. pithy overview.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2007 1:20 utc | 33

b – very nice post for discussion today as well as comments.
You might want to expand on this point that SF writer Charlie Stross said. Namely, US officials, e.g. Kissinger, interfered with and tried to block various European attempts to integrate their militaries, and attempts to save money by having common standards for equipment, etc.
Charlie Stross thought that such US actions were only going to slow the inevitable integration.
IIRC, Stross also said that the US was pretty hostile to the idea of the EU and other countries plans to build a new, vastly improved, GPS system which would be under civilian, not US military, control. The “Galileo” project is going ahead, though, with lots of support (R & D & money) from China and many other countries.
Good story here from the BBC
Europe is building its own satellite-navigation system called Galileo. BBC News looks at why such a network is deemed necessary when we already have the US Global Positioning System (GPS).
and Wikipedia
Galileo positioning system

Posted by: Owl | Feb 1 2007 1:22 utc | 34

so, you tell me, bea, which enforced “abstraction” of iraq do you prefer? heshemite strongman excluding shia majority? georgian pasha excluding shia majority? how bout ba’ath sunni tyrannical oppression of shia majority? how bout persian occupation marginalizing sunni minority?
you tell me.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2007 1:28 utc | 35

What I prefer is not an abstraction at all. Iraq for the Iraqis, and let them decide what to be.
Period.

Posted by: Bea | Feb 1 2007 2:27 utc | 36

As a Canadian I was brought up on the narrative that under the UN (the body that represents the community of all nations), a multinational armed force can do good in the world.
This makes sense to me, that in the case of a failed state devolving into civil war or a dispute between two nations or another similar conflict, and equally as important in the case of a natural disaster or refugee crisis, the community of nations can take multilateral action.
That is a decision that can be made by the UN. It is as plain as the nose on your face that it is not a decision that can be made by a single country. In fact, speaking in moral and legal terms, the unilateral approach taken by the US in the recent Iraq invasion seems a likely candidate for a UN-sanctioned mission to end that US aggression.
slothrop has a strong belief it seems in the right and the obligation of the United States of America to intervene in other countries.
You can say that the UN has no teeth, that it has no military of its own, but you can’t say that US actions are more legitimate than those of the countries of the world acting together. That is simply the schoolyard slogan of might makes right.
If the UN decides not to act against Saddam, how is it slothrop that the USA can justify its attack on the legitimate government of a sovereign country?

Posted by: jonku | Feb 1 2007 2:41 utc | 37

how is it that the USA can justify its attack on the legitimate government of a sovereign country?
In terms of international law, there is no possible justification whatsoever. Everyone should realize this. In terms of international law, every action the US has taken since invading Iraq is probably considered 100% illegal — a crime against humanity in every sense of the word. I am not a legal scholar so I don’t want to assert this as fact without checking it, but I would be very very surprised if it were wrong.

Posted by: Bea | Feb 1 2007 3:08 utc | 38

What I prefer is not an abstraction at all
a wish which is not defended by any history i can find.
jonku. i do not defend bush’s illegal invasion. he is a goddamned texan. a pig. i’m defending rather multilateral arrangements pressing to guide hat replaces the arbitrary colonial order disintegrating before our very eyes. iraq’s history proves the preservation of iraq by status quo tyrrany is unacceptable and dangerous, even though “legitimate.” something must be done about this inevitable problem.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2007 3:10 utc | 39

slothrop, he’s not a texan – that’s all manufactured. he’s from effing connecticut and summered in maine.
“the colonial order disentegrating before our very eyes” – like we had nothing to do with it. it all goes right along with the neocon plan for prolonged chaos – that’s what’s being done about it. it wasn’t our business and it’s still not our business.

Posted by: conchita | Feb 1 2007 3:39 utc | 40

he’s a goddamned texan.
saddam forever!

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 1 2007 3:46 utc | 41

Racism, my ass…How are the Iraqi elite suffering? This is a Western Elite war on the Iraqi “serfs”, just as they’re waging war on the “serfs” domestically. This is a Global Class War.

Posted by: jj | Feb 1 2007 4:09 utc | 42

Don’t forget the abstraction of the superpower that leeches off the oil wealth of subjugated countries, after it plunges such nations into civil war. Wouldn’t Iraqis rather do without the reduction to chaos that the Occupying Power seems to be imposing? Bush wants a free hand to kill both Shi’ite and Sunni; that’s what I gleaned from his State of the Union. The President want 92,000 more Imperial Troops for the next Five-Year-Plan. He wants a specialty, special-needs conscription to expand the mercenary armies he already has.
Those in Washington who are pushing this military juggernaut forward don’t give a tinker’s damn about European colonial history; and I don’t know why Slothrop obsesses about this. This is about Manifest Destiny and Manifest Tragedy. It’s a very American imperialism, that flatters itself endlessly and is willing to pull down the whole world and everything in it, if it can’t persevere in its own interests. General Pace answered not long ago that America could fend off an attack from two major quarters, even while caught overextended in Iraq. “It wouldn’t be pretty, but we could do it”, he said. The lack of prettiness would refer not just to the immediate mountain of corpses, but would likely include a radioactive shroud encircling the Earth.
Slothrop warns of the gruesome fate that will befall the Iraqis if the Occupying Power stops buggering them, and takes its war machine and other toys and goes home. What is terrifying is this present culture of aggression and entrenchment, this loop of means and ends spiraling out of control.
I worry about my country if we can’t cut off this process of unending escalation and expose and condemn America’s political rhetoric of empire.

Posted by: Copeland | Feb 1 2007 4:16 utc | 43

Molly Ivins died today.She was such a great lady.A real loss.

Posted by: R.L. | Feb 1 2007 5:05 utc | 44

Thanks, R.L. I just stopped by to post – were stuck in the dumper, but now w/out our finest voice
How utterly disgusting – idiot in Oval Office issued a statement…

Posted by: jj | Feb 1 2007 5:53 utc | 45

You just know Bush laughed and laughed when he heard about Molly passing.

Posted by: R.L. | Feb 1 2007 6:04 utc | 46

pfaff’s piece is worthy of a good chomskyan critique but neither chomsky nor malooga are here tonite to do it justice, and i myself am too beat at the end of a long day to get much worked up over such intellectual rhetoric. a couple of items i will point out though that do bug me enough to let them stand unchallenged, especially since pfaff has taken on the righteous tone of calling out bush’s critics for “their failure to question the political and ideological assumptions” of the current u.s. foreign policy, and positioning his own self as above the “larger intellectual failure” to grasp the postwar policy guiding the nation.
pfaff lives in a different world than i do, able to overlook things that i cannot. important things. like the fact that this empire was constructed on stolen lands, soaked in the blood of genocide upon genocide. how can the man talk of manifest destiny w/o mentioning its victims? surely his is a viewpoint from a position comfortable w/ intellectual failure. otherwise, how can pfaff write a statement such as this:

During the first century and a half of the United States’ history, the influence of the national myth of divine election and mission was generally harmless, a reassuring and inspiring untruth. During that period the country remained largely isolated from international affairs. The myth found expression in the idea of a “manifest destiny” of continental expansion — including annexation of Mexican land north of the Rio Grande — with no need to plead a divine commission.

on please. spare us the cornbread whitefella history. engaging, enveloping, & exterminating sovereign nations who just so happened to have lived on that very landmass for upwards of 10-20,000 years is not the result of a “generally harmless” influence. there were more than 500 nations on the north american continent at one time. an conservatively estimated 600,000 american indians still in the area of the united states in 1800 (thornton, american indian holocaust and survival: a population history since 1492, 1987). and pfaff has the gall to opine that “the united states was fortunate to enjoy relative isolation for as long as it did”? is this man a fool? not one single treaty that the fledgling empire made w/ any of those nations & peoples were ever kept, and pfaff has the nerve to complain about the bush administration “renouncing inconvenient treaties and conventions”? pfaff is indeed a fool. his is the white man’s history that wishes us to believe their official rhetoric. that empire began w/ the racist woodrow wilson, who wished “democracy” upon the world. tell me, was the monroe doctrine “generally harmless”? was the roosevelt corollary? do not these too count as international actions? and please – “the utopian global visions of Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt”? how can one take this fellow serious? i’m having a hard time at trying. wilson’s rhetoric of “democracy” was a cover for stability, in case anyone hasn’t learned by now. talk of democracy was the packaging, not anything wilson’s administration would honestly even tolerate, as they amply demonstrated in their own backyard and across the globe. but pfaff either still falls for the rhetoric of “spreading democracy”, or expects us to. likely the former, imo, b/c he internalizes their “political and ideological assumptions” so effortlessly, apparently w/ “little or no critical reexamination.” does babybush really think that “history’s course is moving toward universal democracy”? no. babybush does not think, for one. he decides. babybush doesn’t really believe that there is a collosal struggle between democracy and extreme islamic fundamentalists.
not sure about pfaff though. what to make of his stmt that “[w]ar tends now to be driven by nationalism and religious or political ideology”? this must be why he continues to make profound ommissions in his analyses on u.s. activities on the continent of africa. he seems to buy the “humanitarian intervention” rhetoric as willingly as he does that of “democracy building.” if pfaff has written of geostrategic interests in these regions, please point me toward them. otherwise i am led to conclude that the man — the man — is truly living on a different planet than i am. pfaff lives in a country ran by an administration responsible for “reintroducing torture, and arbitrary and indefinite imprisonment, into advanced civilization.” aside from the question of advanced from what, has not the prison system w/i the united states long been recognized as an international sponsor of torture, instructing military and paramilitary squads in its finer tactics across the globe? and does not the u.s. prison complex house political prisoners, ideological opponents rotting away for years, at the state’s discretion? did not some of our abu ghraib apples ripen their skills w/i the penal institutions back in the homeland? advanced civilization. yea, right. like the saying goes — it was either dostoevsky or vine deloria, can’t remember — you can tell our civilized a society is by the number of prisons & policemen it has.
pfaff? pfft…

Posted by: b real | Feb 1 2007 6:29 utc | 47

yikes — should read: “has not the govt of the united states long been recognized as an international sponsor of torture, instructing military and paramilitary squads in its finer tactics across the globe?”
told ya it’s been a long day

Posted by: b real | Feb 1 2007 6:36 utc | 48

Molly Ivins,
She could make me laugh, especially when I’d start feeling nothing else but mad and bitter. She was a lion.
May we each take up her flag.

Posted by: citizen | Feb 1 2007 7:00 utc | 49

Yesterday here on TV :
Quote:
THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES
Baby It’s Cold Outside – Should we be worried about the threat from organised terrorism or is it simply a phantom menace being used to stop society from falling apart? This three-part documentary series explores how the idea that we are threatened by a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. According to this series, at the heart of the story are two groups – the American neo-conservatives and the radical Islamists. Both were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world. These two groups have changed the world but not in the way either intended. Together they created today’s nightmare vision of an organised terror network – a fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. Part one of the program looks at the origins of the neo-conservatives and the radical Islamists in the 1950s. The rise of the politics of fear began in 1949 with two men whose radical ideas would inspire the attack of 9/11 and influence the neo-conservative movement that now dominates Washington. Both these men believed that modern liberal freedoms were eroding the bonds that held society together. The two movements they inspired set out, in their different ways, to rescue their societies from this decay. But in an age of growing disillusion with politics, the neo-conservatives turned to fear in order to pursue their vision. They created a hidden network of evil run by the Soviet Union that only they could see. (From the UK, in English and Arabic, English subtitles) (Documentary Series) (Part 1) PG (Rpt) CC WS

What b real said.
USA created much more problems world wide then it solved…They have their hands in all the bloody meddling around the globe. And for simple reason of expanding their Empire. Simple as that. They used UN as their service for decades and NATO too.
World is just getting sick of it. As I said they gained some credit after WWII but they have spent it to almost last
cent…

Posted by: vbo | Feb 1 2007 11:50 utc | 50

secrecynews: U.S. Democracy Promotion Efforts Face New Resistance

U.S. Government-funded non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that work to advance civil society in developing countries are encountering new obstacles that impede their progress, according to a recent staff study for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
“Increasingly, governments around the world have tightened their controls on foreign NGOs by passing laws to restrict their ability to work independently from government approval,” wrote Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN) in a transmittal letter.
There is a “backlash against democracy assistance,” as the National Endowment for Democracy put it in another study, which is appended to the pdf version of the Senate report.
“In extreme cases, democracy promoters are being harassed by authorities. In some nations governments have been able to persuade their citizens that the work of NGOs and the financial assistance provided to them by the USG is a form of American interventionism,” Sen. Lugar observed.
“Thus, in some countries opposition to pro-democracy NGOs is cast as a reaffirmation of sovereignty,” he wrote.
The new Senate study assessed the current status of programs in Africa, Asia, Central Europe and Latin America, and proposed principles and recommendations to guide further work of this kind.
See “Nongovernmental Organizations and Democracy Promotion,” Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff report, December 22, 2006.

from the rpt’s section on latin america

…most disturbing are problems in Venezuela, which has taken a turn for the worse under the leadership of President Hugo Chavez, particularly regarding the separation of powers between the legislative, judicial, and executive branches. Pending legislation by the Venezuelan National Assembly to regulate and control the ability and work of NGOs is worrisome. Under Chavez, who was re-elected December 3, 2006, Venezuela has demonstrated a blatant disregard for independent civil
society actors, any form of political dissent, and frowns on even the limited participation of civil society groups through organizations like the Organization of American States (OAS).

can you believe that nonsense? and their recommendation for LA is to strengthen NED and USAID. there is a lot of good analyses and documentation on exactly what these two agencies have done in venezuela since chavez was first elected. one recommendation is eva golinger’s book the chavez code, which uses documents rcvd thru FOIA requests to track exactly how washington uses these agencies to fund regime change in caracas.
from her website, here are descriptions of
NED

Officially created on November 6, 1982, the NED was established by statute as a non-profit organization, yet its financing is approved by Congress and included in the chapter of the Department of State budget destined for the U.S. Agency for International Development-USAID. In order to maintain the illusion that it is a private organization, the NED also receives very small donations from three associations, which are also indirectly financed by federal contracts: the Smith Richardson Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation. The majority of the historic figures linked to clandestine CIA actions have at some time been members of the Board of Directors or the Administrative Council of the NED, including Otto Reich, John Negroponte, Henry Cisneros and Elliot Abrams. The present Chairman of the NED Board of Directors is Vin Weber, founder of the ultraconservative organization Empower America, and campaign fundraiser for George W. Bush in 2000. NED’s president is Carl Gershman, an ex-Trotskyist gone awry, and once a member of the Social Democrats, USA who later joined the growing club of neo-conservative and Reagan-Bush “hawks”.
NED offers small grants to foreign “non-governmental organizations (NGOs)” that act in line with U.S. foreign policy. Many of these NGO’s are also funded by USAID, which has a lot more money, but because of USAID’s lack of transparency, we cannot discern exactly which of these NGOs also receive USAID funding and how much they receive.

USAID

The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) functions as an instrument of CIA penetration into civil society, by enabling the “legitimate” funding of millions of dollars to promote U.S. foreign policy abroad and influence internal politics of foreign nations while avoiding Congressional scrutiny.

Posted by: b real | Feb 1 2007 21:09 utc | 51

@b real – 47 – I certainly agree to your critic on Pfaff avoiding the actuall history. But he still is right on current history – so disregard him totally on skipping some for presentation reasons seams, to me, overblown.

2006 personal savings fall to 74-yr. low

The
Commerce Department reported Thursday that the savings rate for all of 2006 was a negative 1 percent, meaning that not only did people spend all the money they earned but they also dipped into savings or increased borrowing to finance purchases. The 2006 figure was lower than a negative 0.4 percent in 2005 and was the poorest showing since a negative 1.5 percent savings rate in 1933 during the Depression.

The savings rate has been negative for an entire year only four times in history — in 2005 and 2006 and in 1933 and 1932.

For December, the savings rate edged down to a negative 1.2 percent, compared to a negative 1 percent in November. The savings rate has been in negative territory for 21 consecutive months.

That is not a healthy empire …

Posted by: b | Feb 1 2007 21:22 utc | 52

b- i only pointed out those aspects that frustrated me most. no doubt that there are useful points in there. unfortunately, we do not get the story tellers we would like to have in such influential publications.

Posted by: b real | Feb 1 2007 21:36 utc | 53

Guardian comment: Upping the anti
The charge of anti-Americanism against critics of the Bush administration glosses over the real menace of US military power recklessly wielded.

If you are looking for historical parallels for the contemporary United States, look at and think about Wilhelmine Germany. My grandfather, a Lancashire builder, came back from a holiday in Germany in 1910 and said: “There’ll be war. The boys don’t just play soldiers, they drill.” The men around Wilhelm II, and the Kaiser himself, were not wilfully wicked. They had simply enjoyed too much success since 1860 and now enjoyed too much pure military power: divisions, artillery and, perhaps, unlike the United States, high skills at soldiering. To have a gun is to want to use it. To win in conflict is to expect always to win.
The United States, for all its vein of intense religion, attracts politicians fascinated by immoral acts justifiable only by two other Wilhelmine expressions, Realpolitik and Machtpolitik.

So, fools have been on a great spree, but American society, so patriotic, so fundamentally deferential to money and power talking patriotism, is not shaped to stop them. For American life contains another poison – nicely cultivated fear: “the Russians are coming”, “the Present Danger”. There are reactions and pendulum swings, of course. Remember how anarchic and disrespectful the US seemed at the time of Vietnam and we will shortly enjoy another interlude of sense. But drum and trumpet and “Present Danger”, which gave Vietnam its successor, will be at hand.
The real world out there is, in fact, dangerous, but a country so self-preoccupied that, on the last figure I heard, only about 12% of citizens held passports, is ill-equipped to understand the complexity of those dangers or to be tolerant of the dull incremental process of diminishing them. “Anti-American” we are not; but darkly worried about America we certainly should be.

Posted by: b | Feb 2 2007 7:32 utc | 54