Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 11, 2007
Just Another Speech

Watching CNN-Intl. – "Bush Speech – The World Reacts" – this 30 minutes before the speech starts – weird.
8:40pm – blogtime

Top headline on whitehouse.gov: President Bush Marks Fifth Anniversary of No Child Left Behind
8:46pm

WaPo "preview": Bush to Warn That New Iraq Campaign Could Be Bloody – well – with 700,000+ dead Iraqis and 3 million refugees, wasn’t this bloody enough yet?
9:03pm

Bush on:

GWOT, terror, al-qaida, Sunni insurgence is responsible, situation
in Iraq unacceptable, "where mistakes have been made, responsibility
rests with me" (consequences?), failure not an option, 9/11,

Baghdad is key, not enough troops – too many restrictions for them,
Iraqis will deploy in Baghdad, 9 areas, more than 20,000 additional
troops, imbedded with Iraq, mission: help Iraqi troops, difference:
clear and HOLD insteead of just clear,

green light to fight secterians in their neighborhood (Sadr?), time
to act, Iraq government will act, (lame performance – insecure Bush
look – earnestness not earnest), spend Iraqi money,

embeed US troops – 1 US brigade for each Iraqi divisions,  al-Qaeda
is in Anbar, wants Islamic "empire", 4,000 additional US troops to
Anbar, Iran provides weapons to Insurgents (any proof?), additional
Carrier Strike Group, diplomacy with Saudi and Egypt against Iran, Rice
to go to ME,

idiology struggle, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Palestinian territories,
bloody and violent year ahead, Iraq democracy will not be perfect,

consulted with Congress (?), withdrawl would increase need to stay,
will adjust to circumstances, Sen. (Ind., Israel) Lieberman adviced,
dangerous times, "advance of freedom calling of our time", "ensure our
liberty", "sacrifise and resolve", "defide pessimists", "course for new
century" – end speech.

20 min speech form WH library – first impression – LAME
(9:25pm)

Dem response speech (Sen. Durbin):
Bush was wrong, is wrong,
acting against Generals, Iraqis should take over – US should leave,
redeployment will force Iraqis to act
(9:30pm)

CNN has sound, but no pictures, of protests at WH

Obama on: Bush: "no strategy", no military solution, phased
redeployment, setting benchmarks for Iraqis, secure Iraqi borders,
talking about Bush sending 15,000 or 20,000 more troops when Bush just
talked of 25,000+ – (why?)
(9:40pm)
Edwards (D): huge mistake, only political solution, should talk with Iran
Graham (R): Iran would be winner,  support Bush, Gen. Petraeus will do good
McCain
(R): excellent speech, new strategy good (what strategy?), no guarantee
for success, war is winnable, going to be tough, increase in casualties
likely, Petraeus + Lieberman good, …
Feinstein (D): Escalation, disappointed by speech, Iraq has never known democracy (wrong)
Warner
(R): speech based on advise, Bush will brief us, objective analysis
needed after briefing, imploding of Iraq would be desaster

CNN: One more comment from each, we have only limited time today, we’ll be right back, ADVERTISMENT!!!

10 second statements:
Graham: Petraeus will ask Congress for more – give it to him
Feinstein: Iraqis have to take over – US out, Israel-Palestine
Warner: biggest challenge since 29 years
Edwards: we don’t know what’s going to happen
(10:03pm)

Speech text via NYT
Whitehouse powerpoint via WaPo

Comments

I had thought that descriptions of evil were easier than descriptions of good or blessedness. Satan is the roundest character in Paradise Lost, Smerdyakov is fuller than Alyosha, the torments of Inferno easier to produce than the joys of Paradiso. However now I have come to realize that there are horrors that are so horrible that they become ineffable. they are like an ecstatic trance indistinguishable from a mystical experience. The horror can be counted as units but the total acquires a quality that no words or images can represent them faithfully.

Posted by: jlcg | Jan 11 2007 2:13 utc | 1

b thanks for the quick summary… and for the bits of info ahead of the rez’ commentary…
jlcg – powerful comment… really powerful.

Posted by: crone | Jan 11 2007 2:35 utc | 2

LAME is the exact most appropriate adjective you could have landed on.
LAME LAME LAME.
I really pity those 20,000 young souls.

Posted by: Bea | Jan 11 2007 2:36 utc | 3

Meanwhile, there is news that Bandar may replace Al Faisal as the next Saudi foreign minister.
That’s Bandar, the current Saudi National Security Advisor who “strongly supports Cheney’s views of a military response to Iran.”

Posted by: Alamet | Jan 11 2007 2:37 utc | 4

I missed the speech, oh darn.
however, I just heard Suzanne Malveaux, or however you spell her name, who is the WH correspondent for CNN. As she spoke, I heard protestors behind her. Chanting. banging drums. ringing bells outside the white house.
They could not be missed.
Malveaux noted the protestors “were angry” about Bush’s troop increase (which has already begun?)
An additional battalion of roughly 800 troops from the same division are expected to arrive in Baghdad Thursday. Eighty percent of the sectarian violence occurs within a 30-mile radius of Baghdad, so that is where most of the additional troops will be concentrated.
It is the first small wave of troops in a new White House strategy that is expected to put more than 20,000 additional U.S. troops on the ground in Iraq and likely require new call-ups of the National Guard.

I think another trip should be in order. It wouldn’t take as much planning as the one just finished. It could be for a few days. A weekend. by bus, even. sleep on the way there. sleep on the way home.
byo bells and finger cymbels. yell at Bush outside the grounds of the White House.
maybe it wouldn’t change a thing. didn’t change a thing when I was in the midst of the marchers in DC before the invasion, but it did some good for me to be part of a presence that said Bush did not have our support for his insanity.
better than blogging about it.
what say any of you? the rest of the world needs to know someone here will not go along with the powers that be.
Now McCain is lying.
McCain and Bush will have their surge, it seems. they will continue to deny that this invasion was a massive demonstration of hubris by severly deluded egoists. and now these same egoists will not admit their wrong actions. more will die to spare Bush any humiliation, any need to face the reality of what he has done.
So Bush needs people to yell at him as he hides in the white house, to let him know he’s not fooling anyone.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 11 2007 2:48 utc | 5

@Alamat – thanks for the head ups on that
@jlcg – full ack

Posted by: b | Jan 11 2007 2:50 utc | 6

United for Peace & Justice has march planned for Jan 27-29
many protests planned across the country for tomorrow
http://unitedforpeace.org/

Posted by: crone | Jan 11 2007 2:52 utc | 7

thanks crone.
I went with my local UPJ group for the Washington march, and they continue to have vigils here, tho I stopped attending after the invasion began…what was the use at that point…
I got the email for the march here, but I want to go to DC and yell in Bush’s ear with others on the sidewalk. when we’re all dispersed across the country, it’s easier to ignore us.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 11 2007 2:58 utc | 8

for me the question is – has he stalemated kennedy? what can be done to stop this runaway train now that the first 1000 (more or less) are already on their way?

Posted by: conchita | Jan 11 2007 3:00 utc | 9

fauxreal, in lieu of dc you can always yell in the ear of your local reps and senators so that they stand up to him.

Posted by: conchita | Jan 11 2007 3:02 utc | 10

maybe bush’s sacrifice can be to offer himself in exchange for green zone hostages.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 11 2007 3:05 utc | 11

I want to go to DC and yell in Bush’s ear with others on the sidewalk.
I’m in. Just say when, where.

Posted by: Bea | Jan 11 2007 3:16 utc | 12

So, what do you think? Has Bush just started a new war – with Iran… actual conflict to start soon?
The expanded reference to Bush’s Iran comments in the NYT:

“In some of his sharpest words of warning to Iran, Mr. Bush accused the Iranian government of “providing material support for attacks on American troops” and vowed to “seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies.”
He left deliberately vague the question of whether those operations would be limited to Iraq or conducted elsewhere, and said he had ordered the deployment of a new aircraft carrier strike group to the region, where it is in easy reach of Iranian territory.
While Mr. Bush has previously vowed to work diplomatically, largely inside the United Nations to stop Iran’s nuclear program, in this speech he said nothing about diplomacy.”

Posted by: crone | Jan 11 2007 3:18 utc | 13

President Addresses Nation, Discusses Iraq, War on Terror – June 28, 2005

Some Americans ask me, if completing the mission is so important, why don’t you send more troops? If our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them. But our commanders tell me they have the number of troops they need to do their job. Sending more Americans would undermine our strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight. And sending more Americans would suggest that we intend to stay forever, when we are, in fact, working for the day when Iraq can defend itself and we can leave. As we determine the right force level, our troops can know that I will continue to be guided by the advice that matters: the sober judgment of our military leaders.

Posted by: b | Jan 11 2007 3:27 utc | 14

Anyone catch this little tidbit from the speech?
“We also need to examine ways to mobilize talented American civilians to deploy overseas – where they can help build democratic institutions in communities and nations recovering from war and tyranny.”
So not only is he going to send more military troops, but he’s also going to look for ways to send civilians to sacrifice their lives over theere.
I read something about it in this comment but it didn’t register till tonight.

As a government worker, I have problems with the changes that have taken place. Since the government has talked about, on numerous occasions, actually ordering civilian employees into Iraq if they don’t get enough volunteers, the extra onus of being potentially subject to UCMJ is, to put it mildly, disturbing.
Back when I was in the Army, I, of course, had to accept UCMJ, and I never did like how it worked (later, as a civilian, I did a stint at JAG, and liked it even less.). The fact that the government could both order me to serve in a war zone and be subject to UCMJ is more than undemocratic.
People generally point to Contractors’ excesses- to include murders- as the reasons that this change is good. I prefer to point to the fact that, for example, under UCMJ, disrespecting an Officer is illegal. So, as a civilian, if I am not properly differential to an Officer, I can be charged…
Instead of making contractors and civilians liable to UCMJ, the government should realize that this is EXACTLY why we shouldn’t have armed contractors in the war zone. Our government civilians, at least, have taken an Oath to the Constitution. The contractors have none.

We are negotiating with insanity. The problem is that (we) the Democrats seem to sincerely think that an appeal to reason could prevent these psychopaths, and in doing so, it makes them (us)just as crazy.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2007 3:30 utc | 15

Troop Surge Already Under Way

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 10, 2007 — President Bush’s speech may be scheduled for tonight, but the troop surge in Iraq is already under way.
ABC News has learned that the “surge” Bush is expected to announce in a prime time speech tonight has already begun. Ninety advance troops from the 82nd Airborne Division arrived in Baghdad Wednesday.
An additional battalion of roughly 800 troops from the same division are expected to arrive in Baghdad Thursday.

Congress? Who/what’s that? …

Posted by: Bea | Jan 11 2007 3:40 utc | 16

Something to make you smile following the “surge speech”.
From http://americablog.blogspot.com/
OK I know it’s easy for me to smile seeing as how I live thousands of miles away from Washington DC.
But go ahead try it. Here ’tis
Chris in Paris was telling me that Bush’s “new” plan for victory in Iraq reminded him of an episode of the hysterical BBC comedy “Blackadder.”
With a little sleuthing, Chris was able to find the episode in question. The relevant part begins about 2 minutes into the video – I’ve transcribed the dialogue.
GENERAL: Now, Field Marshal Hague (A British WW1 disaster of a leader – my comment) has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.
CAPTAIN BLACKADDER: Ah, would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy, sir?
CAPTAIN DARLING: How could you possibly know that Blackadder, it’s classified information?
CAPTAIN BLACKADDER: It’s the same plan that we used last time, and the seventeen times before that.
GENERAL: Ex… ex… ex… actly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard. Doing precisely what we’ve done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they’ll expect us to do this time!
There is, however, one small problem.
CAPTAIN BLACKADDER: That everyone always gets slaughtered in the first ten seconds?
GENERAL: That’s right. And Field Marshal Hague is worried that this may be depressing the men a tad. So, he’s looking to find a way to cheer them up.
CAPTAIN BLACKADDER: Well, his resignation and suicide would seem the obvious.

Posted by: crone | Jan 11 2007 3:53 utc | 17

crone #13 et al…
Does this answer the question: You don’t deploy Patriot missiles against rebels: is it Iran?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 11 2007 3:53 utc | 18

Keith Olbermann on the speech.
Gotta love him.

Posted by: Bea | Jan 11 2007 3:54 utc | 19

@Bea – the 82nd is the tactical reserve for Iraq currently in Kuwait – the 5 additional brigades for Baghdad and 2 marines regiments for Anbar are the strategic reserve the US has.
Some will note that the US now has no foot-soldier reserve left to intervene wherever and act on it.

Posted by: b | Jan 11 2007 3:54 utc | 20

Congress? What has Congress done to stop this? The majority of American people? Saying
‘no’ on a phone call from a stranger is pretty easy. So is voting Democratic in an election. Both are attempts to abrogate responsibility. “But I voted for the Democrats, and I’m told they’re opposed!” Sorry kids, you fell for the bait-and-switch. Find me a major Democratic leader who actually wants a withdrawal now, and doesn’t mouth platitudes about “victory” and “getting the job done right” and, well, I might vote Democratic.
The reason the Democrats cannot oppose this war is that they DON’T oppose the war. They oppose some of the tactics. They’d prefer to “win” as if “winning” was possible from the moment of invasion. They might oppose this particular tactic, sure. But they cannot oppose the logic behind the tactic, and therefore will offer little better than “we’d do it better if we were in charge! Yeah, we’d totally win and the troops would be home in 6 months!”
The great irony is that the primary opposition to escalation was removed as a direct consequence of the Democratic victory. That would be Donald Rumsfeld, whose vision of a sleek, small, elite military was directly opposed to the idea of “more boots on the ground.” Not that Rumsfeld was wise or good in any way. Just that his ideology prevented this for three and a half years. Bye, Donny. Never thought I’d miss you.
So go on. Call your senators and representatives. They don’t fucking care what you think any more than Georgie does. It’s their JOB not to care what you think. It’s their job to support the American empire. (especially my representative, Rahm Emmanuel, who has done as much as any Democrat to let this come to pass.)

Posted by: Rowan | Jan 11 2007 3:56 utc | 21

thanks anon — @18
I believe the diary at dKOS affirms what most of us fear… Iran is on Bush’s agenda… and as in the past… he won’t tell us anything until the bombs start dropping…

Posted by: crone | Jan 11 2007 3:58 utc | 22

what: March on Washington
when: Sat. January 27th, 2007
where: Assemble on the Mall,
between 3rd and 7th Streets, at 11 am.
March at 1pm.
More details here
it’s time for another one.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 11 2007 4:04 utc | 23

Find out where a response rally to the Bush speech will take place on Thursday near you here

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 11 2007 4:09 utc | 24

For those who missed it, text posted @NYT & elsewhere. I can’t listen to whole thing, but hearing bits later, I realized it was declaration of War on Iran & perhaps Syria. It’s setting up the tripwire. He gave the game away when he said he would hold ongoing “bi-partisan negotiations” – & who was the “Dem”. Why “My Joey” (Lierbernut) of course. He’ll talk to NeoNuts anywhere, anytime…and that’s it. We’re in Seriously Deep Shit…
Here’s my question for Barflies? When they hit Iran, will Billmon return to posting?

Posted by: jj | Jan 11 2007 4:30 utc | 25

hey, when they hit Iran, will any of us be reading?

Posted by: crone | Jan 11 2007 4:32 utc | 26

#18 was me, sorry..
Thanks Rowan, been saying that for years, most of my friends thought I was being extremist in my views of the “opposition”. Some are now telling me I was right, that it doesn’t matter to the dems what WE THE PEOPLE think. Others are silent when I bring it up, and in addtion get a deer in the headlights look in their eyes. No one tells me I’m crazy anymore.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2007 4:33 utc | 27

Tonight you could see Bush’s signature moment, in a major speech, where he typically throws a sliver of truth into what is otherwise a vast swamp of lies. The tiny moment of truth was loaded with his trademark mockery; his eyes changed, turning smiling and twinkly, his face suddenly screwed up, as if the joke on us all was almost too much to contain. It’s the facial expression with which he betrays his twisted soul.
He basically said that victory in Iraq would not be what our fathers and grandfathers conceived victory to be.
Bush’s speech was nothing but his usual drumbeat of fear and misinformation, a horror show of repetition; and it was an act of psychological warfare aimed straight at the American people.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 11 2007 5:27 utc | 28

It seems, every time Bush makes “Just another Speech” thousands of people get killed.

Posted by: pb | Jan 11 2007 5:31 utc | 29

“he won’t tell us anything until the bombs start dropping…”
He will, he can’t help it. He’ll say something infantile like; Fuck Ahmadinejad “were takin’ him out”.

Posted by: pb | Jan 11 2007 5:52 utc | 30

pb and Copeland are right, he enjoy’s this shit.. He’s a sadist.
I made a comment way back and stand by it. “Brutal truth be known, I would be willing to bet the farm, he has murdered and tortured people himself, with his own hands, in in cold blood.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2007 6:02 utc | 31

“I would be willing to bet the farm, he has murdered and tortured people himself, with his own hands, in in cold blood.”
Did anyone notice one of the black hoods worn by the executioners,…The eye holes were kind of close together.

Posted by: pb | Jan 11 2007 6:10 utc | 32

Uncle,
I mean, this is really simple. The Democrats are ostensibly in control of both houses of Congress. If they fail to stop this, then they: a) did not want to stop this, or b) did not have the power to stop this. Either one makes the recent election a sham. The former makes the Democratic party a sham. The latter makes our entire system a sham. It’s probably both.
Was it you who had the thing about voting as a fetish for power in society? I really liked that metaphor.

Posted by: Rowan | Jan 11 2007 6:10 utc | 33

actually, I think there’s a third explanation about the actions or not of democrats, and it has to do with politics, long term. nasty, too, because it means more people are killed.
however, if the dems oppose this thing and stop it, bush and (more importantly) McCain can say “if only we’d had the chance to ‘surge’ we could have fixed Iraq.” if the dems stop this, they become the whipping boy for bush’s failure and the republicans can continue to say they were right…if only…
however, if bush gets his surge and nothing basically changes except for the names and numbers of those killed for no good reason, then the republican party will have let bush make them irrelevant for a few decades.
if you were a politician, which would you do?
politics is nasty…I wouldn’t want to do the job. sometimes people don’t give enough credence to the “miserable sons of a bitches” tactics from all sides of the pol. spectrum (including the “good guys” like the greens.)
I don’t want the above scenario to play out, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 11 2007 6:52 utc | 34

Uncle $cam #15: “The problem is that (we) the Democrats seem to sincerely think that an appeal to reason could prevent these psychopaths, and in doing so, it makes them (us)just as crazy.
Who is “we”? Speaking only for myself, I am not a Republican or a Democrat or anything pertaining to a political party or persuasion. I am just me.

Posted by: Rick | Jan 11 2007 6:53 utc | 35

fauxreal & bea,
I might try and drive up to DC also. Keep in touch.

Posted by: Rick | Jan 11 2007 7:00 utc | 36

@ fauxreal #34
I think you have truly spoken to the heart of the problem. The democrats are fenced in because the right has already framed this as a win/lose situation for the US. to oppose the war is to hate the US and be a quitter or loser.
the dems have to reframe the discussion, they have to say that all the objectives of the invasion have been met, they have to point out over and over again that we are only there to secure cheap oil for the big seven oil companies, they need to point out who is profitting from the war and who is paying.
that they don’t do any of the above things tells me the dems are either incompetent or complicit. certainly not a very optimistic outlook from me I admit.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 11 2007 7:28 utc | 37

Part of Phase II ?
IRAN – IRAN – IRAN
Since when does Bush need the CIA to support the Lebanese Government?
“non-lethal presidential finding” ???
A lot of bad signs coming together, like dark clouds approaching before the storm hits.

Posted by: Rick | Jan 11 2007 7:29 utc | 38

dan of steel:…they [dems] have to point out over and over again that we are only there to secure cheap oil for the big seven oil companies, they need to point out who is profitting from the war and who is paying.”
When pigs fly

Posted by: Rick | Jan 11 2007 7:35 utc | 39

@Rick – thanks for that link:
CIA gets the go-ahead to take on Hizbollah

The Central Intelligence Agency has been authorised to take covert action against Hizbollah as part of a secret plan by President George W. Bush to help the Lebanese government prevent the spread of Iranian influence. Senators and congressmen have been briefed on the classified “non-lethal presidential finding” that allows the CIA to provide financial and logistical support to the prime minister, Fouad Siniora.
The finding was signed by Mr Bush before Christmas after discussions between his aides and Saudi Arabian officials.

Prince Bandar bin-Sultan, the former Saudi Arabian ambassador to Washington, is understood to have been closely involved in the decision to prop up Mr Siniora’s administration and the Israeli government, which views Iran as its chief enemy, has also been supportive.
“There’s a feeling both in Jerusalem and in Riyadh that the anti-Sunni tilt in the region has gone too far,” said an intelligence source. “By removing Saddam, we’ve shifted things in favour of the Shia and this is a counter-balancing exercise.
Prince Bandar, now King Abdullah’s national security adviser, made several trips to Washington and held meetings with Elliot Abrams, the senior Middle East official on the NSC.

Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former clandestine CIA officer, said that such a finding would involve “various steps and types of non-military activity” agreed to by the Lebanese. “It takes two to tango. You’re only those things that the Lebanese themselves would want you to do,” he said.

That is a death sentence for Siniora – colaborating with the CIA against Hizbullah will not win him any friends.

Posted by: b | Jan 11 2007 8:17 utc | 40

Fauxreal, your calculation fails to take into account that Donkey Party clowns support invading Iran – see AIPAC…this is the tripwire…these are empty words…just sayin’ so they can pull out the sound bites when running next time…gee golly willikers I tole him…yawn…Elections in ’08? W/what currency? Will the dollar exist after blowing up Iran? The “amero”??

Posted by: jj | Jan 11 2007 8:18 utc | 41

A pathological pattern has become evident in the behavior of the President; and there is no doubt now that his intention is to keep upping the ante. After Kennedy’s recent speech and Durban’s response to the Bush speech, I believe Democrats will stand together; they are really left with no other choice. I believe a constitutional crisis is building. When the crisis does come to a head, some Republicans will likely vote with the Majority, whether out of statesman-like conviction, or panic, when the shit hits the fan.
Cutting off an irrational, erratic, accumulation of executive power will present itself as the only option. When Pelosi announces that Bush himself is setting the stage for impeachment, she should simply say “Read your Constitution”, and then follow up by reading those articles which invest war making powers with the legislative branch.
It is finally a question of security. An executive who has become mentally unstable and unresponsive to counsel cannot be allowed to continue in office. This is elementary.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 11 2007 8:26 utc | 42

I think maybe some Democratic Congressmen–two or three,perhaps, but not more–should go to Iraq and get blown to bits by a well-timed, well-placed IED, preferably in the very heart of the green zone itself. Then they should report back, posthumously, to their surviving colleagues and advise them about the militancy, the skill, and the hardness of the insurgents. They might even–for miracles do occur–begin to encourage their surviving colleagues respect the insurgents, and even to wonder what it’s thinking about.

Posted by: alabama | Jan 11 2007 8:53 utc | 43

On the Charlie Rose Show tonight, Tom Ricks said of all the military people (in Iraq) he’s talked to — not one — was in favor of this new plan.
There’s so much wrong with this current plan, it’s hard to know where to begin. But the one thing that stands out to me, and it’s no doubt from General Petraeus’ primer on counter-insurgency, is that after the neighborhoods are “cleared” the U.S. troops will remain with their Iraqi counterparts on these so called “mini bases” aka police stations, in the neighborhood. Besides the fact that I’ve NEVER seen a U.S. soldier interviewed say anything close to trusting the Iraqi soldiers (its usually outright contempt) — So I can’t imagine the trepidation they must feel on the prospects of living with them, off their mega bases and into some neighborhood hovel with members of the militias they were shooting at all day. Not to mention the logistics of language, resupply, billits, equipment maintance, etc, a nightmare in the making, on this simple part of the plan alone.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 11 2007 9:27 utc | 44

Frontline interview with Michael Ware, Time correspondent in Baghdad: INSIDE THE INSURGENCY

When [I’m brought blindfolded into their houses to meet with them], I’m in a living room, and we’re sitting, and there’s kids playing, and there’s toys in the corner, and the wife’s out the back making the food, and … the kids [are] joking and playing. These are ordinary men with ordinary family concerns, but to their minds there’s a foreign occupier on their soil. And on a number of occasions these guys have said: “Ask an American soldier to imagine he’s in the Midwest, in the USA, and a foreign occupying army is in his small hometown, and on his main street is a foreign tank and barbed wire and bunker positions with foreign troops who are searching the women of his home, and who at any moment can storm into his mother and father’s house and turn it upside down. Ask him to understand that,” they’d say to me. That is the bulk of the insurgency in Iraq. …
Then there’s another element which is small but so nasty it sometimes can dominate. These are a group of men whose commitment cannot be questioned, to whom death is something they seek rather than just accept. These are men who can do the most barbarous things one can imagine and not even blink, and who will sit with you afterwards over tea or there with a handful of lamb and rice as they’re putting it into their mouth, talking to you about what it’s like as you’re severing a head or the particular forms of torture that they prefer, or sharing their complete lack of empathy for the civilians that they watch their own bombs kill. … For these men, you look into their eyes, you sit with them, and you’re peering into a very dark soul. …

Posted by: b | Jan 11 2007 10:06 utc | 45

Was listening to John Dean tonight, he said, –please pause for a moment after reading this- “The president already has the funds to continue, so it doesn’t matter if the dems make a show of halting funding” He went on to say, –paraphrasing–, there is so much money in the DOD budget and in his (Bush’s) control that they can afford to shuffle around projects and pull whatever they need to carry on the plans.
Let that sink in …

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2007 12:02 utc | 46

Has it begun?
Three explosions jolt southern Iran – agency

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2007 12:23 utc | 47

Uncle – sounds harmless – this isn’t: U.S. forces raid Iranian consulate in Iraq

U.S. forces raided the Iranian consulate office in the northern Iraqi city of Arbil on Thursday and arrested five employees, the official Iranian news agency IRNA said.
There was no immediate comment by the U.S. military on the raid which came hours after President George W. Bush vowed in a speech to interrupt what he called the “flow of support” from Iran and Syria for insurgent attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq.

“Around 5.00 a.m., after disarming the guards they (U.S. troops) broke into the office, without giving any explanation and arrested five employees,” the official IRNA news agency reported, adding that documents and computers were seized.
It said Iran had sent a protest letter to the Iraqi Foreign Ministry.

Posted by: b | Jan 11 2007 12:33 utc | 48

Re @ anna missed #44:
after the neighborhoods are “cleared” the U.S. troops will remain with their Iraqi counterparts
Promising Troops Where They Aren’t Really Wanted

American generals have acknowledged that the twinning of American and Iraqi units, and the sharp increase in American advisers, will serve the dual purpose of stiffening Iraqi combat performance and providing American commanders with early warning of any Iraqi operations that run counter to American objectives. In effect, the advisers will serve as canaries in Mr. Maliki’s mine, ensuring the American command will get early notice if Iraqi operations threaten to abandon the equal pursuit of Sunni and Shiite extremists in favor of a more sectarian emphasis on going after Sunnis alone.

a more sectarian emphasis – such a nice euphemism. US troops babysitting Iraqi troops to prevent ethnic cleansing of Sunnis. And when they receive that early notice, then what? Achieve “balance” with CIA support for Sunnis elsewhere: Lebanon.
from b’s (and rich’s) link @40:

Bush administration officials have spoken of their desire to promote “mainstream” Arab states and have even spoken of the existence of a “Sunni crescent” in the Middle East. But there is tension between this policy and the support for Nouri al-Maliki’s Shia-led government in Iraq, which has links to Shia death squads and Iran.
“The administration is reaping its own whirlwind after Iraq,” said the intelligence source. “For 50 years the US preferred stability over legitimacy in the Middle East and now it’s got neither. It’s a situation replete with ironies.”

U.S. out of Iraq! Bring the troops home!

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 11 2007 12:37 utc | 49

I believe it has…
U.S. forces raid Iranian consulate in Iraq: Iran agency

aLSO,
US Forces Raid Iranian Government Representative’s Office In Iraq
Multi-national forces in Iraq arrested staff members after raiding the Iranian consulate
The operation was conducted in the country’s Kurdish region.
This last link above brings up the question, did Jr. stiff the kurds yet again, in his speech last night?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2007 12:47 utc | 50

New tactic – new idiocity: ‘Gated communities’ planned for Baghdad

The military’s new strategy for Iraq envisions creating “gated communities” in Baghdad — sealing off discrete areas and forcibly removing insurgents, then stationing American units in the neighborhood to keep the peace and working to create jobs for residents.
The U.S. so far has found it impossible to secure the sprawling city. But by focusing an increased number of troops in selected neighborhoods, the military hopes it can create islands of security segregated from the chaos beyond.
The gated communities plan has been tried — with mixed success — in other wars. In Vietnam, the enclaves were called “strategic hamlets” and were a spectacular failure.

The gated communities model is an updated version of the strategic hamlets model used in Vietnam. There, people were moved to villages the military thought it could defend, or were moved to entirely new villages.
“It didn’t work,” Crane said. “They ended up locking up the insurgents with the population in these new hamlets…. It actually helped the Viet Cong with recruiting.”
But the strategy worked when used by the British in Malaya in the 1950s, successfully cutting off the insurgents from the population and from their supplies, Crane said.

In addition to setting up barriers and checkpoints, the military will issue identification cards that will allow residents to be inside the secured area.
However, Iraqis have resisted using identity cards and would probably object to an official census, said Kalev Sepp, a counterinsurgency expert at the Naval Postgraduate School who expressed skepticism about the plan.

Malaysia was a fight against a destinct small ethnic minority. In Baghdad this will fail.
When the Green Zone only has 16 reliable translators (Baker-Hamilton), who will translate between GI’s in the street and Iraqis? 5 brigades -> 15 batallions -> 45 companies -> 135 platoons -> at least 270 additional translators needed …

Posted by: b | Jan 11 2007 13:07 utc | 51

@ fauxreal #23. I’m an hour and a half from d.c. Let’s talk about it.
‘Course I’d have to clean my house.
😛

Posted by: beq | Jan 11 2007 13:13 utc | 52

Pepe Escobar

… The basic fact remains that Bush’s escalation is designed to smash Muqtada’s Mehdi Army. That can only mean, in practice, a mini-genocide of vast masses of unruly, extremely dispossessed Shi’ites: the coming battle of Sadr City, which the Pentagon has been itching to launch since the spring of 2004. The Pentagon is actually declaring war on no fewer than 2.2 million (poor) people. A sinister symmetry still applies: the Pentagon will attack dispossessed Shi’ite masses – just as the Israeli Defense Forces attacked dispossessed Shi’ite masses in southern Lebanon in the summer of 2006.
There’s more. Bush’s escalation, according to his own speech, will ensure there will actually be two major battles on two different fronts: the battle of Sadr City, against Shi’ites, and the Great Battle of Baghdad, as the Sunni Arab muqawama (resistance) has been dubbing it. A tangential taste of this second front was provided this week by the day-long fight in Haifa Street between coalition and Iraqi forces against militants.
Muhammad al-Askari, the military adviser to Maliki, justified the bombing of Haifa Street as crucial to the killing of “50 terrorists”. Anyone familiar with the Sunni Arab resistance knows they would never be dumb enough to concentrate 50 top fighters in a single Baghdad street in full view of US firepower. The battle of Haifa Street actually fits into Maliki’s preferred developing pattern: systematic ethnic cleansing of Sunni areas by the heavily militia-infiltrated, and US-trained, Iraqi army.
Grabbing those oil fields by the horn
Washington’s successive divide-and-rule tactics – facilitating a possible genocide of Sunnis, contemplating a mass slaughter of Shi’ites, betting on a regional Sunni/Shi’ite war – never for a second lose sight of the riches of Iraqi. For Big Business, an Iraq eaten alive by Balkanization is the ideal environment for the triumph of Anglo-American petrocracy.

A new Iraqi oil law will most likely be voted on in Parliament in the next few weeks, before the arrival of Bush’s 21,500 men, and it should be in effect in March. The law is Anglo-American Big Oil’s holy grail: the draft has been carefully scrutinized by Washington, Big Oil and the International Monetary Fund, but not by Iraqi politicians. The profit-sharing agreements enshrined by the law are immensely profitable for Big Oil. And crucially, the law prevents any Iraqi government from nationalizing the oil industry – as the majority of Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) member states did. In essence,it’s a game of “if you nationalize, we invade you – again”. So the law fulfills the early-2003 neo-con boast of “we are the new OPEC”

The overwhelming majority of Iraqis, Sunni and Shi’ite, want the US out, and as soon as possible. A rape of Iraq’s oil wealth enshrined by a Parliament-approved oil law would certainly lead to national unrest. For the moment it’s fair to assume the US is taking no chances in its backroom deals, as the SCIRI’s support for the new law, via Vice President Adil Abdul Mahdi, is practically assured. Da’wa must be in the process of being bribed to death.
But Muqtada is another story. He is close to some Sunni factions. They are getting closer. And crucially, they agree on being Iraqi nationalists who want the Americans out. There’s a very strong possibility of the Sadrists joining the muqawama in the event the oil law is approved. Thus the preemptive, two-pronged Bush escalation on the war front – against both Muqtada and nationalist Sunnis.

In Iraq, there are only two stark, inevitable options for the White House: cliocide, as in mass slaughter (of Sunnis and Shi’ites alike); or defeat (which is all but assured). Bush has chosen the first option. The upcoming battle of Sadr City will signal the descent of Iraq into absolute, abysmal, irreversible chaos. Bush, in imperial-Rome mode, can then call the desolation victory, and retire. Provided, of course, the oil law is in the bag.

Read the whole thing.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 11 2007 13:21 utc | 53

AP is reporting that at least ONE Iranian has been hurt or killed, NPR is also reporting this, and also has a little tidbit about how a small group of U.S. troops had a standoff with another small group of Kurdish troops – with ‘cocked weapons’. NYT’s

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 11 2007 13:24 utc | 54

Following crone, there is humor all about, smile!
On topic all the same, as if Sarkozy becomes president of France, F foreign policy is going to take a very sharp turn into neo-con land. It will be subtle, efficient, quick – people will be caught flat-footed. Anyway.
A decrepit, wildly popular rock star, Johnny Hallyday, has just moved to Switzerland for fiscal reasons. Narcissitic, blunt, opinionated, he has complained bitterly about the money France steals from him. He is the first to admit it. People like Isabelle Adjani and Aurelie Mauresmo sweetly murmur that they have come to Geneva because of the tolerance of the Swiss – Aurelie who is a lesbian or the tranquility of the parks – Isabelle, who doesn’t even own a dog. They should be roped in to write tourist brochures, personally signed, bien sur.
This event has created several very entertaining storms that will have far reaching consequences. Le Pen must be toasting himself and the intrepid Marine with his favorite tipple, no doubt a traditional vin du terroir – none of that foreign muck for him.
Let me explain! Segolène Royal has hired as conseiller Arnaud de Montebourg, a populist kook who fancies himself as a crusader. Several press articles stated, or did not directly state, or retracted that they did state, or hinted that, and so on, Sarkozy supported Hallyday’s decamping. Sarkozy has a very interesting collection of friends, Johnny amongst them. So, big deal, Nico, or Sarko, told Jojo ‘it’s your problem man’ or ‘go for it!’ No doubt the little one, the precious darling, Jade, an adopted Viet baby, will love the sparkle of the snow. (Err, what snow?) Sarko’s foolishness unleashed Arno’s tongue and he made a virulent speech about the slimy rapacious Swiss. Rousing, certainly, but also completely inaccurate, amazingly ignorant, defamatory, over the top in spittle and hate. Clueless Sego probably watched from the wings, tugging at the lapels of her white tailleur jacket, or tapping her cultured pearls, anniversary gift from Francois.
This is lesson number two in how to lose an election. If you add up French nationals of voting age who live in Switzerland and work in Switzerland or France, who live in France and work in Switzerland, who live in France or Switzerland and study in Switzerland, the list can go on, and on, who live in the frontalier region, which really is a territory that is very shall we say spécial, and have strong ties, such as a loving Swiss husband, or that coool Swiss health insurance, to CH, and add in a few voting-age dependents, such as Madames who do not work as Monsieur’s salary from Credit Suisse is sufficient for a villa with turrets and magnolia and even a honey colored maid – its more than a million people, half of whom had in mind to vote for Sego, and all of whom are experts in fiscal law.
Every single last man and woman jack of them is pissed as all hell. Newspapers and radio have been battered with calls and email and letters to the newspapers occupy full pages, everybody loves Johnny, even if they despise his music. Rallies are planned! Demos! (Johnny himself is in hospital at present – having something removed. Jade has the sniffles.) Now, Sego groupies hate Sarko, they will never vote for him. Never.
Le Pen – now didn’t he make some good propositions about fishing and maritime law?

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 11 2007 13:51 utc | 55

Thanks for all the posts about the Speech. I didn’t see it. The posts are better.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 11 2007 13:55 utc | 56

New Bush Iraq Plan Fails to Bolster American Confidence

Jan. 11, 2007 — – Americans broadly reject President Bush’s plan for a surge of U.S. forces into Iraq, with substantial majorities dismissing his arguments that it’ll end the war more quickly and increase the odds of victory, an ABC News/Washington Post poll finds.
Indeed, rather than Bush bolstering public confidence, the national survey, conducted after his address to the nation on his new Iraq strategy, finds that a new high — 57 percent — think the United States is losing the war. Just 29 percent think it’s winning.

Democrats, start your engines.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 11 2007 14:26 utc | 57

what happened to the other 14% ?

Posted by: crone | Jan 11 2007 14:52 utc | 58

Quote:
For these men, you look into their eyes, you sit with them, and you’re peering into a very dark soul. …

This is just charade…we are peering into a very dark souls of those bastards in Abu –Graib prison and those who are raping, killing and put on fire 14-year old girls…etc. These people are fighting for their freedom. It’s well known when people are fighting for their freedom “in front of their own home door step” they have no deep psychological problems with killing etc. Those who are fighting in a foreign country do have problem…big one.

Posted by: vbo | Jan 11 2007 15:13 utc | 59

Rowan wrote: The reason the Democrats cannot oppose this war is that they DON’T oppose the war. They oppose some of the tactics. They’d prefer to “win” as if “winning” was possible from the moment of invasion. They might oppose this particular tactic, sure. But they cannot oppose the logic behind the tactic, and therefore will offer little better than “we’d do it better if we were in charge! Yeah, we’d totally win and the troops would be home in 6 months!”
In the same vein – The Dems in opposition appeared somewhat to oppose the war, made suggestions about tactics, most of which hinged on Bush incompetence at gathering Int’l support (models, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan) as if Bush himself was at fault, and e.g. Kerry would have galvanized the cowardly French (he speaks it after all!), or on the fact that the troops were not ‘supported’ enough, be it military matériel, tours, health, pay, etc. etc.
Better, more, support, care, was needed. Even the mothers of fallen soldiers veered between calling it all senseless, pointing to pre-war lies (huh, obvious lies at the time) and calling for superior ‘support’, more ‘democratic’ efforts (Bush daughters as rooftop snipers?), etc. The only one who seriously proposed a sort of draft was Kerry. Republicans prefer Blackwater and hiring Mexican mercenaries. You buy what you need.
In some ways, the Democrats are more ‘fascistic.’ They are more one-Volk and egalitarian, more attached to a ‘nation state’, more isolationist (e.g. economically) than the Republicans, who prefer biz as usual, globalisation, technological superiority, individualism, natural supremacy of the rich, easy dominance, etc. The Democrats prefer cohesion, communal caring and effort, affordable medicare and young people who will march and die. For, yes, the Homeland. The more the better. Nationalist, semi-socialist…the US will prevail.
It is a good cop bad cop game, that strives to represent, turn by turn, the various strands of mainstream US opinion.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 11 2007 15:16 utc | 60

The Democratic Party has benefited from a widespread disaffection and distrust of the Bush administration—its wars, corruption, mismanagement, and lies—with votes falling into Democratic hands not because of what the Democrats have done or even promised, but because they are not Bush and company. Bill Fletcher and others have called this the “I am fed up” vote. Beyond this, if we examine what the Democratic Party stands for, who leads it, who it represents, and what it is likely to do, it is hard to be optimistic.

In short, with the Democratic Party’s electoral triumph we may expect a small increment in the minimum wage, some other modest economic policy actions that serve middle America and the poor, and a brake on the Bush program of service to a tiny elite and regressive environmental policy. The Bush takedown of the Constitution will probably be halted, but reversals of the serious encroachments via the PATRIOT and Military Commissions Acts will face the veto, plus traditional Blue Dog and New Democrat defections. Impeachment is already off the table and investigations that will take place may be useful, but may be compromised by the Democrats’ bipartisanship proclivities.
The Democrats may exercise a modest drag on the military budget, but the party has long been supportive of a militarized state and party funding, pressures to prove their “national security” credentials, and fear of charges of failing to support our troops are likely to sharply constrain Democratic initiatives here and as regards Iraq. They are likely to follow along with something like the weak, conditional, slow withdrawal proposals of the Bush appointed “bipartisan” Iraq Study Group. As regards Israel and Palestine, the Democrats have been virtually captured by the Lobby and we can expect nothing from them in this crucial area where U.S.-Israeli policy feeds hostility to this country as well as Israel. Given Israel’s eagerness to get the United States to attack Iran, here again the Democrats are likely to offer nothing constructive and will provide little brake if Bush-Cheney decide that another war might serve God’s and the Bush administration’s interests. This country and the world still desperately need a party in the United States that will support non-violent and non-imperialistic alternative policies, something that the victorious Democrats do not provide.
edward herman: Democratic Betrayal: Breaking promises again

you can either have an economic model based on perpetual growth, or a living economy based on sustainability, protecting our biosphere, & securing the best chance for survival of future generations. it’s time to dump the business party. it’s time to dump empire. (provided it’s not already too late.)

Posted by: b real | Jan 11 2007 15:58 utc | 61

If I recall correctly, even Saddam’s people were not able to operate safely in Sadr City — and the Codpiece expects our troops to take and hold it?
But then, if I grasp the drift of other posts in this thread, although Bush might like to have Muqtada’s head in a box, it’s not really about Iraq all that much but Iran.

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jan 11 2007 16:12 utc | 62

See this post on AMERICAblog:

Bush invaded Iran last night
by John in DC – 1/11/2007 10:00:00 AM
Last night, Bush sent US forces to attack the inviolate territory of a foreign diplomatic mission, the Iranian mission in northern Iraq – legally, the land of a foreign nation – and took the Iranians hostage. It’s hard to see under international law how this is legal, let alone how this isn’t an act of war. And it’s beyond ironic that we appear to have condoned the very action that we condemned Iran for – attacking diplomatic missions in violation of international law.
But what’s most troubling about this is the transparency of what Bush is up to.< He's trying to provoke a war with Iran, either by forcing Iran to strike back, or by discovering secret Iranian diplomatic documents that would prove their complicity in helping the insurgents in Iraq. We just invaded Iran last night, folks. Foreign embassies and diplomatic outposts are legally the foreign soil of the country represented. We invaded Iran. This is an act of war.
Only problem with Bush’s plan? How exactly are we going to fight a war with Iran? Our generals told us we didn’t even have enough troops to meet the needs of Bush’s new escalation plan (the plan called for 32,000 more troops, the generals said we only have 22,000 or so available, that’s it.) So where exactly will we get the troops to fight a new war with Iran, at the same time we’re fighting a civil war in Iraq, and fighting an increasingly bad civil war in Afghanistan? Our worst nightmare would be Iran calling Bush’s bluff and invading Iraq. So, why is it then that this is exactly what Bush is trying to provoke?
It’s increasingly looking like Bush is more interested in provoking the coming Rapture than solving the multiple crises in the Middle East.
From AP:
Iraqi officials said Thursday that multinational forces detained as many as six Iranians in an overnight raid on Tehran’s diplomatic mission in the northern city of Irbil….
The forces stormed the Iranian mission at about 3 a.m., detaining the five staffers and confiscating computers and documents, two senior local Kurdish officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information….
A resident living near the mission said the foreign force used stun bombs in the raid and brought down an Iranian flag that was on the roof of the two-story yellow house.
This is incredibly serious. Bush may have just given every country in the world justification for attacking US diplomats, attacking US diplomatic posts and embassies, and taking our diplomats hostage. Then again, he already gave the world a green light to torture our soldiers, so why not add American diplomats to the mix.
At some point, we are a country of laws. That is supposed to be what differentiates us from the Irans and the Al Qaedas and the Saddams of the world. This is an incredibly serious breach of international law. It’s also an act of war. A war we can’t afford. Someone needs to stop this man before he kills again.

Posted by: Bea | Jan 11 2007 16:30 utc | 63

gates announced plans to increase the size of the military by 92,000 bodies (65,000 army / 27,000 marines) over the next five years. how likely that they can continue to have volunteer forces w/ such unpopular wars?

Posted by: b real | Jan 11 2007 16:39 utc | 64

UN treaty on Consular Relations (pdf)

Posted by: the Ghost of Saddam Hussein | Jan 11 2007 17:09 utc | 65

beq- oooh! that would be a wonderful “reunion.” but please don’t think about cleaning your house — then I might feel like I have to clean mine. no pressure, pls. 🙂
dan- maybe from a distance you don’t hear the constant framing that goes on 24/7 on cable tv. when I was waiting in the airport for those 4 extra hours, CNN played in the background and over and over again the democrats were taken to task about a recess for a football game that a republican wanted…after an entire term of republicans working a three day week and purposely avoiding their duties to check presidential power and represent their constituencies. Barack Obama is under constant attack because his name sounds like Osama…because he has “Hussein” as his middle name…simply because he is muslim. the xenophobia of the american people should not be underestimated, nor the failure to get beyond spin. sometimes common sense wins out, in spite of, not because of politics.
jj- I don’t know that the dems are a block. the republicans aren’t, and since they are no longer the majority, they seem to feel more freedom to differ, at least on this most important issue of Iraq. carter has at least tried to open a dialog about the influence of aipac, etc. and the religious right and their agendas that block any reasonable hopes for solutions to issues related to Israel. I’m not too optimistic about any advance in that area any time soon however.
again, it seems that sometimes wisdom is achieved only after the ritual sacrifice of the young, as tho again and again humans must move through stages of consciousness from fear and trembling to humanity.
vbo- as seems usual for me, I always question the absolute dichotomies. surely there are souless eyes on any side in a war. surely the theocrats in Iraq who would impose sharia and honor killings on females without one hint of regret do not deserve your rationalizations. the muslim world has been fed as much propaganda as the west. that so many can seemingly believe the west uniformly supports a christian crusade is one example (covered somewhat in an old Metal Firtina thread on moa.) the showing of the protocols of the elders of zion as a documentary on egyptian tv is another…the international jew, that sort of thing. they’d find good company with Henry Ford, devoted fascist.
noirette- the dems are more fascist? according to what definition of the term? traditional U.S. politics don’t support that claim at all, imo, but then again, it’s just two different opinions at work here. however, I don’t think Eco’s “Eternal Fascism” is embodied in the democrats. Nor is Russ Bellant’s useful discussion on What is Fascism.
but the term gets tossed around so much, it can easily lose its power. one item or another, to the exclusion of the majority of identifiers does not compose fascism. democrats have been the party to embody homosexual and women’s rights, greater separation of church and state, and so on.
no doubt both parties are in the grasp of corporations, and this will be the undoing of any progress, just as it was in the early 20th century in the U.S. as unions were destroyed and whites and blacks were lynched for being uppity toward their corporate masters.
throughout american history, however, the politicians have always worked to maintain the status quo…the whole reason for the Senate, in fact, to make change gradual..sometimes glacial. if only global warming could work in the politicians’ hearts and minds.
and onward – gated communities are craziness. the talk of putting Iraqi forces in charge of the green zone is also craziness, considering Maliki’s own shite militia and his indebtedness to other ones to maintain his little bit of power. the situation is simply a mess that the US cannot fix. you broke it you own it is ridiculous proposition in this case because Iraqis own Iraq. Until the US accepts this, more will die for no reason. The Iraqis, sorry to say, must work out their destiny after the US has undone their civilization. The tragedy is that their civilization was undone, of course, and not the working out of their destiny. How much harder it is to recover from such devastation with previous progress intact.
That there are those on both sides of the aisle who seek the same for Iran speaks to the insanity of this idea as well. They will undermine the student movement, an internal and indigenous response to the hardliners that will suffer from US/Israeli meddling.
so on to the volcano pyre and preparations for the sacrifice of children to devouring Ares Enyo Perun Teoyaomicqui Tyr.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 11 2007 17:10 utc | 66

oh, and one more clarification. since the start of talk of invading Iraq, Charlies Rangel was the person who called for a draft. His rationale was that the poor unfairly take on the burden of war and their children die so that the middle classes can give Johnny and SUV to park behind his frat house.
I agree with Rangel that a draft would do more to wake up the selfish middle class more than any suffering in Iraq. the point is not to increase the troops, but to increase the shared sacrifice. since the national guard is regularly deployed overseas now would seem to make such exemptions less attractive.
however, in the event of a draft, no doubt the homosexual population of the US among draft-age persons would skyrocket, since criminal offenses and mental problems no longer seem to be an exemption. than again, some in the military want to embrace homosexuals who wish to serve their country in the military. would the religious right win this fight at this time? doubtful to me.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 11 2007 17:18 utc | 67

Anna Missed is correct. US troopers are a short ride away from hell. ABC News indicates that Baghdad will be split into 9 sections. Iraqi and US troops will be housed in “joint security stations” scattered throughout the neighborhoods.
US Marines in Vietnam operated Combined Action Programs (CAP) with a squad of Marines and one Navy Corpsman in a village; “We Are All Alone In Indian Country”. It was touted as a success but in the end it didn’t matter. I Corps is a tropical rural paradise compared to the dusty fetid slums of Iraq.
The only Iraqis the troopers can half way trust are the Kurds. But, none of the promised Kurdish troops will show up in Baghdad. They are needed to protect Kurdistan. In short order, the zones around the security stations will become free fire zones. In Ramadi, the troopers can only get into forward operating bases at night. The day belongs to the Insurgents.
Patrols into to the slums will be sniped. Counter fire strikes will be called in creating vast piles of rubble in front of Al Jazerra’s cameras. If the Mahdi Militia is attacked, the US will be fighting both major branches of Islam. Sooner or later, the “stations” will be overrun.
The only logical purpose to destroying Baghdad has to be to provoke retaliation to get the draft and the green light to invade Syria and Iran.

Posted by: Jim S | Jan 11 2007 17:19 utc | 68

@fauxreal
Barack Obama is under constant attack because his name sounds like Osama…because he has “Hussein” as his middle name…simply because he is muslim.
You are right about the spin(I was really horrified to see it still continuing when I briefly watched CNN this weekend), but it seems it has even brainwashed you (LOL! Obama is Christian, not Muslim. His grandfather was Muslim; he is not.

Posted by: Bea | Jan 11 2007 17:35 utc | 69

oops. I was reading right wing propaganda via Digby on that bit about being muslim. since I could care less if someone is muslim or christian or whatever, as long as they separate their belief from their pledge to defend the constitution, i.e. with no religious test and with a respect for all faiths or lack of… (tho when will an avowed atheist be elected in the U.S.? — if I were to wait till then to cut my fingernails, I would look like Howard Hughes in Lost Vegas.)
anyway, I don’t pay attention to someone’s religion unless they try to make it a test of their “americanness.” –or unless they think the constitution should be amended to follow their religious beliefs.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 11 2007 17:45 utc | 70

Auguries, not in his precise words:
1) “In the past there have been restrictions which limited US forces.”
The gloves are off, and no one else will be consulted on what US military can do where or when.
Erbil consultate is a good start, and tell Kurds nothing.
2)”Networks in Syria and Iran are supporting and arming the insurgents. We will go after these.”
No borders mentioned. Hezbollah in Lebanon, Erbil are just the start. Surely US can provoke Iran into belligerence, through the banks or the military, and, if not, well we may just bomb or have our friends bomb them for good measure. But we won’t mention Saudi support for certain combatants here and elsewhere.
3) “Expand the army and marines overall. I will be meeting with Congress.”
I want a draft. That will be a “bipartisan” announcement.
4) “We need to send more civilians.”
???? Anyone have a clue?
Seems to me there were a couple other glancing comments that started me muttering at the screen again. But these are quite enough.
Looks like the “new” plan is to go for a full battle of Algiers, while engaging a few outside players militarily. Forget hearts and minds. Nasty, brutal, bloody, with all distinction between civilian and combattant erased, ultimately totally undermining any authority of the US, even were it to win the military campaign, and confirming its colonizing intentions.
Is it all intended to send a message to the rest of the world that this is what happens when others refuse to accept Cheney/ B43/ US gifts at face value?
No mention any of these points in the postgame commentary that I heard. Perhaps I left augury school too early?

Posted by: small coke | Jan 11 2007 17:48 utc | 71

bush has headbutted the gates of hell completely open
baghdad will become unimaginable, all too unimaginable
jim s point about the burning of baghdad has a truth contained within it – that we are witnessing not a de-escalation but rather the slow stepping into a generalised war & yes i think it is their intention to organise a draft (there was a hint of it in the barbarous one’s speech) & as much as i think it would be madness even for them – they are clearly working on an invasion of iran
i still claim this is in its way just one step in the long war with china – & the control of the oil in the middle east has an apparent urgency for this administration that they seem prepared to lose everything – because lose everything they will
what we have sd here for years – even conservative commentators can observe they are witnessing the defeat of their beloved empire before their eyes

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2007 17:48 utc | 72

climate change & the upcoming reality of that is forcing their hand, i do believe. the elite are going for the “last man standing” option.

Posted by: b real | Jan 11 2007 18:04 utc | 73

senator byrd on cspan in the senate clearly crying – & repeating again & again, “enough, enough, enough, enough mr bush”

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2007 18:08 utc | 74

& on aljazeera international – they are saying that american troops are on the ground in somalia & have an admission by this administration

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2007 18:32 utc | 75

small coke @ 71
4) “We need to send more civilians.”
???? Anyone have a clue?

This refers, I believe, to State Dept people – civilians – and those in other govt agencies who the decider thinks should be helpin’ out.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 11 2007 18:35 utc | 76

r’giap @75:
The Pentagon denies claims that there are American troops on the ground.
Isn’t that reassuring?

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 11 2007 18:44 utc | 77

DEMOS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TONIGHT. PLUG IN YR. ZIP TO FIND NEAREST DEMO

Posted by: jj | Jan 11 2007 18:46 utc | 78

Calling ANTIFA….Where are you….your incomparable presence is urgently requested my dear….

Posted by: jj | Jan 11 2007 18:50 utc | 79

Oops…and DeA- pls. weigh in…

Posted by: jj | Jan 11 2007 18:51 utc | 80

4) “We need to send more civilians.”
???? Anyone have a clue?

this is referencing the ‘work draft’ or whatever they called it to get all civilians between 18 and 35 to register w/the feds there work qualifications. ugh

Posted by: annie | Jan 11 2007 18:56 utc | 81

Live on C-Span3
SecDef Gates: “If the Iraqis fail to live up to their committments” –
get this – “we will have to revisit our strategy.”

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 11 2007 19:00 utc | 82

As for conditions inside Iraq, Ms. Rice said it is essential to get Americans “out of the embassy, out of the Green Zone,” the heavily fortified sector in Baghdad, and into the countryside to help the people build their country. “As important as Baghdad is, not everything rests on Baghdad,” she said.
Mr. Gates said it would be obvious fairly soon if Iraqis are indeed living up to their obligations, and that the depth of their commitment would be a factor in how long the temporary American troop increase would last.
At the same time, he said that Iraq would continue to be a very dangerous place, at least as long as Americans are, in effect, “the prisoners of anyone who wants to strap on a bomb and blow themselves up.” But given the enormous stakes, Mr. Gates said, “failure in Iraq is not an option.”
NYT
So: I’m an American, cowering in the green zone. This is not a good thing–it contributes to “failure in Iraq,” and that’s “not an option”. So it’s “essential” that I “get out of the green zone”. At which point, it’s true, “anyone” will “strap on a bomb” and “blow themselves [sic up”. And me too.
Let me admit that I’d really rather not go there myself, but I’d feel much better about the prospect if Ms. Rice and Mr. Gates would go to the green zone themselves and venture out into Baghdad. Let them show me how, and I will follow the leaders. Not with an entire army of bodyguards–that’s not available to the likes of little old me–but with a driver in a humvee. And let them cruise around for a while, and get to know some of the folks in that town. Let them stop here and there for a cup of tea–that sort of thing.

Posted by: alabama | Jan 11 2007 19:08 utc | 83

reuters: Security Council has no questions on Somalia raid

The 15-nation Security Council raised no questions or objections on Wednesday after a U.S. diplomat briefed the U.N. body on an air strike by Washington against an al Qaeda target in Somalia.
“There was no discussion of this particular issue and I have no comment on that,” Russian U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, the council president for January, told reporters after a closed-door meeting on Somalia.
“Nobody. No reference, except the United States itself,” said Chinese Deputy U.N. Ambassador Liu Zhenmin.

if the united states says there’s an international terrorist conspiracy in somalia, that’s good enough for the u.n. security council, right?
now what

Posted by: b real | Jan 11 2007 19:09 utc | 84

yes, i think that is something i would like to see – all the elements of this criminal administration & all their pal profiteers – taking a long promenade in the streets of baghdad, or kirkuk, or baqba, or mosul, or tikrit – tapping shoes on their head as they walk amongst the people
yes, a tea or two – & bring along all the old friends chalabi, al hakim, wolfowitz, perle & bremer to carry some cakes to share with the people who are enjoying their liberation

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2007 19:22 utc | 85

small coke #71, re 4)
from 3/04 ‘Special skills draft’ on drawing board

A targeted registration and draft is “is strictly in the planning stage,” said Flahavan, adding that “the whole thing is driven by what appears to be the more pressing and relevant need today” — the deficit in language and computer experts.
“We want to gear up and make sure we are capable of providing (those types of draftees) since that’s the more likely need,” the spokesman said, adding that it could take about two years to “to have all the kinks worked out.
The agency already has in place a special system to register and draft health care personnel ages 20 to 44 in more than 60 specialties if necessary in a crisis. According to Flahavan, the agency will expand this system to be able to rapidly register and draft computer specialists and linguists, should the need ever arise. But he stressed that the agency had received no request from the Pentagon to do so.

Posted by: annie | Jan 11 2007 19:24 utc | 86

faux, ‘fascist’ in its careful quotes, mine, was a bit of a stretch, I was referring to the more egalitarian, populist strand that the dems. espouse, which is usually the one that leads to popular approval of genocide. And investment in it. The term in itself has become debased… a bossy supervisor shouts an insult and he is a fascist, etc. Still it echoes with meaning.

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 11 2007 19:27 utc | 87

this thread is getting a bit long but I would like to clarify one thing to fauxreal.
I do see the framing, I do watch CNN from time to time, I hear a collection of news on Armed Forces Radio and I sometimes listen to Limbaugh while driving home (very often I find myself shouting at the radio when I do that) and I also see BBC television. they are all very consistent in framing the issues. the BBC does have a bit of counter balance sometimes on a show called Hardtalk but that has become ever more rare.
my complaint is that the democratic party has been completely unable to counter this and I can not believe they are that inept. Howard Dean takes the right on sometimes but he doesn’t go outside of some pretty strictly defined parameters. But he was quickly brought back under control. Some believe AIPAC exerts tremendous influence over our political process, this might be true but how did the republicans get into power without AIPAC?
I guess what I am saying is, if we hope that the democrats will get us out of this mess we have a lot of work to do. the party leadership has to go and this has to happen at all levels. the present bunch is quite happy to go along with the status quo. some like Kennedy have been playing the game so long that they can easily come up with hot air proposals and great speeches that rally the faithfull and make them feel proud to be on the right side all the while knowing full well that nothing will come of it and completely ignoring everything that is not covered in corporate media. for example, why has no one commented on the naked agression toward Somalia? how is it possible that one nation can fly missions over another country, blast the hell out their people, commit ground troups and no one notices? wtf? has everyone gone mad?
we can do this with netroots. the internets could render the big old political machines redundant. we might really be able to have a democracy after all.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 11 2007 20:11 utc | 88

word dan of steele
and
A new AP-Ipsos poll found approval for Bush’s handling of Iraq hovering near a record low – 29 percent of Americans approve and 68 percent disapprove.

Posted by: crone | Jan 11 2007 20:35 utc | 89

I swear I just got this link to this article which says it all a lot better than I can.
I will apologise to Uncle $cam in advance if he already pointed us there. I obviously wasn’t paying attention and a friend turned me on to it tonight.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 11 2007 20:46 utc | 90

@small coke…

4) “We need to send more civilians.”
???? Anyone have a clue?

One has to have an “Eastern Front” to post unruly civilians from State that might be otherwise inclined to leak problems to the press or be insufficiently enthusiastic about the genius of policy. To difficult and expensive to just fire them; making examples of them much more effective.
@annie…

from 3/04 ‘Special skills draft’ on drawing board

So the draft could selectively pick out Muslims, or Arab speakers, because of their “skills”; and here I was wondering what all those lists were for… what a great way to deal with unemployment.
A “selective” draft just like Stalin’s – to Siberia… brilliant.

Posted by: PeeDee | Jan 11 2007 20:48 utc | 91

pee dee, the possibilities are endless. truck drivers, plumbers, chefs, teachers.. all our lilypads need staff and citizens to win hearts and minds.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 11 2007 21:15 utc | 92

@ faux #24 – SO and I just made signs and we’re going downtown.

Posted by: beq | Jan 11 2007 21:32 utc | 93

pee dee, that was me @ #92, here’s more from rolling stone

The memo then proposes, in detail, that the Selective Service be “re-engineered” to cover all Americans — “men and (for the first time) women” — ages eighteen to thirty-four. In addition to name, date of birth and Social Security number, young adults would have to provide the agency with details of their specialized skills on an ongoing basis until they passed out of draft jeopardy at age thirty-five. Testifying before Congress two weeks after the meeting, acting director of Selective Service Lewis Brodsky acknowledged that “consultations with senior Defense manpower officials” have spurred the agency to shift its preparations away from a full-scale, Vietnam-style draft of untrained men “to a draft of smaller numbers of critical-skills personnel.”
Richard Flahavan, spokesman for Selective Service, tells Rolling Stone that preparing for a skills-based draft is “in fact what we have been doing.” For starters, the agency has updated a plan to draft nurses and doctors. But that’s not all. “Our thinking was that if we could run a health-care draft in the future,” Flahavan says, “then with some very slight tinkering we could change that skill to plumbers or linguists or electrical engineers or whatever the military was short.” In other words, if Uncle Sam decides he needs people with your skills, Selective Service has the means to draft you — and quick.

Posted by: annie | Jan 11 2007 21:45 utc | 94

r’giap @74
Byrd stood up in the Senate chamber on CSPAN in 2003, 2 days before Congress voted to authorize war with Iraq. “I was fooled in Vietnam by Gulf of Tonkin, and voted to approve that war. I won’t be fooled again, and my colleagues should not be fooled either. I will vote against this authorization and so should everyone in Congress.”
He spoke longer, but that was what he said, referencing the Constitution, proper roles of branches of government, history, etc. He was passionate then. I felt a sudden respect for him, esp as it was clear that his colleagues would ignore his warnings and give Cheney/ Bush exactly the cover they were seeking.
Easy to imagine how absolutely distraught Sen Byrd must feel now.
Reminds me of that old chestnut: Those who don’t study history repeat it; those who do study history get to watch others repeat it.

Posted by: small coke | Jan 11 2007 21:56 utc | 95

@ annie #94
personally, I think that is a great idea.
IF all americans benefit from our foreign conquests then it is only fair that all americans share the work to make it so.
I am guessing bankers will be needed too, and insurance agents, and judges and lawyers.
It seems as if it is a black mark these days to be anything other than pro-war. I wonder if that would change once everyone of us is eligible to actually go and fight one. would the fighting keyboarders lose some of their bravado?

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 11 2007 22:01 utc | 96

hamburger
aljazeera says the pentagon has confirmed american troops(advisers) on the ground in somalia

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2007 22:52 utc | 97

Interesting public discussion forum on the Bush speech here.
h/t Helena Cobban

Posted by: Bea | Jan 11 2007 22:53 utc | 98

the parallel moment tonight is that of nixon & kissinger bombing hanoi/haiphong
this illegality – the illegality of both the invasion & the occupation passing without comment
still arguing details when the people of iraq are being stomped into the ground & if the arab nation does not take more steps to defend her then they will be next in line
in the life of an empire – this moment is the most frightening – when it has lost all authority, any authenticity & is fighting for its own survival is the point at which it becomes most dangerous

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2007 22:59 utc | 99

dan of steele – thanks for your recent posts and the link @90.
r’giap – you mean they lied yesterday? I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jan 11 2007 23:09 utc | 100