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December 29, 2006
Keep’em Coming
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Is GOP Rep. ‘fueling’ Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy theories? Posted by: annie | Dec 29 2006 7:49 utc | 1 @annie – no, I am sure was Iranian!
Senator Joe Lieberman (I, Israel) has an OpEd in WaPo:
So they’ll snuff him today or tomorrow:
It’s going to be quite a mess after that … Heard this on the radio this morning. Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Dec 29 2006 8:48 utc | 5 Near the border with Canada, and my tulips are all trying to grow. Posted by: citizen | Dec 29 2006 9:25 utc | 6 oh my Posted by: annie | Dec 29 2006 9:40 utc | 7 Dug this nugget out of site annie linked to — Posted by: jj | Dec 29 2006 10:22 utc | 8 My bad. Even nbc is reporting it. Posted by: jj | Dec 29 2006 10:28 utc | 9 Turning Saddam over to the “Iraqi government” to be executed is final proof of the moral hypocrisy of the U.S. government. Being 100% pro-life, I especially worry that international watchers may not be present to insure the former leader is not tortured before execution. I wish the mass media would compare the death/destruction in Iraq under Saddam and under U.S. occupation. Posted by: Rick Happ | Dec 29 2006 10:54 utc | 10
Also see my last post in ot here, and as TTGVWYCI points out in the comment below my post there (#63 and 64) wheather these projects work as advertised or not the tax payer wind up paying for them. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 29 2006 11:35 utc | 11 No one seems to know Saddam’s execution date for certain: So when do the mass murderers running the US hang? Posted by: ran | Dec 29 2006 16:04 utc | 13 How about Sadr? He’s certainly fomented enough rebellion and disorder. Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 29 2006 17:52 utc | 15 Senator Joe Lieberman (I, Israel) Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Dec 29 2006 18:16 utc | 17 I hoped they would not (will not) hang Saddam. Even Human Rights Watch is against it, and that is saying a lot. It makes a travesty of justice everywhere. The court case was a farce, a total shambles. Victor’s petty justice, evil grins, tinny gavels, self-satisfaction, a disaster. Posted by: Noirette | Dec 29 2006 18:36 utc | 18 http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/12/my-sources-tell-me-that-seymour-hirsh.html“>angry arab Posted by: annie | Dec 29 2006 19:09 utc | 19 Official: Saddam to be executed tonight Posted by: Rick Happ | Dec 29 2006 23:02 utc | 22 A very recommendable piece by McClatch writer Hannah Allam:
“The Americans want him to be hanged respectfully,” al-Nueimi said. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 29 2006 23:26 utc | 24 Quantitative difference RG. Posted by: Jethro | Dec 29 2006 23:57 utc | 25 Just posted this at TheLeftCoaster, and thought folks here would like a peek: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Dec 30 2006 0:36 utc | 26 Imminent Jethro. annie has packed her stethoscope and handcuffs, fauxreal a selection of scarves, and I have two new shades of nail polish. Posted by: beq | Dec 30 2006 1:14 utc | 27
Posted by: annie | Dec 30 2006 3:13 utc | 28 What bad luck for Saddam. Gerald Ford would have pardoned him. Posted by: R.L. | Dec 30 2006 3:55 utc | 32 final message to the iraqi people Posted by: annie | Dec 30 2006 3:55 utc | 33 So Saddam is dead now. Well that ought to be a lesson for dictators that cozy up to USA. Remains to see what they will learn from it. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Dec 30 2006 4:01 utc | 34 “saddam hussein was hanged in baghdad.” Posted by: pb | Dec 30 2006 4:06 utc | 35 potential criminal cases against Iraqi government officials
Posted by: annie | Dec 30 2006 4:31 utc | 36 CNN will also reportedly be showing video of the execution. Posted by: annie | Dec 30 2006 4:47 utc | 37 Juan Cole at Salon on the execution. Posted by: fauxreal | Dec 30 2006 5:07 utc | 38 ..and CNN is getting phone calls from people asking to see the execution. Posted by: fauxreal | Dec 30 2006 5:08 utc | 39 Josh Marshall says it for me: Posted by: fauxreal | Dec 30 2006 5:14 utc | 40 Wikipedia Page for Saddam Hussein’s Execution Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2006 5:15 utc | 41 It makes my skin crawl to hear anyone call the U.S. “the homeland.”
Philip Martin has been a Marine for 2 years. Posted by: annie | Dec 30 2006 5:18 utc | 42 I dont think I ever heard that phrase “homeland”, used to describe the U.S.A. for my entire life (by anyone). Up until talk by the administration after 911. The first time I heard the phrase used, it was a good thing I had’nt just eaten, because I would have surely barfed on the spot. What these people get off on appropriating such an already discredited characterization to then identify the country to itself is beyond me. More than anything, what I really hate about it is the pretention that folklore and culture could be imposed from above, down upon the people. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 30 2006 6:05 utc | 43 Bush signing statement claims he can search our mail without a warrant
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2006 6:30 utc | 44 43 and 42 and excuse if I missed a # on the Homeland concept and it’s strangely quick introduction so shortly after 9/11. Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Dec 30 2006 6:46 utc | 45 The term Homeland is indeed old. Here is a paper from 1998, by Iklé, in The Washington Quarterly: An argument for Homeland Defense. Very, shall we say, prescient. Posted by: Noirette | Dec 30 2006 14:38 utc | 46 If anybody is interested I’m currently taking apart the whitewash spread over the murder of Lady Di. Posted by: John | Dec 30 2006 15:26 utc | 47 about oil… Posted by: Noirette | Dec 30 2006 16:00 utc | 48 Raptor, Rapist, Rapture: The Dark Joys of Social Control in Thomas Pynchon’s Vineland Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 30 2006 20:35 utc | 49 I consider the term “Homeland Security” to be an admission that renamning Department of Defense to Department of Colonial Affairs was a little too much. If you specifically has one departement for defending the homeland then the old department of defense is obviously defending something else. Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Dec 31 2006 0:20 utc | 51 If anyone isn’t watching any of State Funeral I recommend it, just to experience the juxtaposition of Saddam’s hanging & Operation Wreck Iraq w/it…. It’s in the Rotunda, w/military honor guards, I mean little tin soldiers…interesting bookends on a moment in history. One attendee grasped it completely – they collapsed as it was beginning – don’t know who. Hopefully R’Giap will weigh in… Posted by: jj | Dec 31 2006 1:22 utc | 52 uncle, thanks for notbored’s take on pynchon
Posted by: slothrop | Dec 31 2006 2:43 utc | 53 Nice to see slothrop, after all of 3 years, you are taking time to count the “niggers”. Posted by: Ms.M. | Dec 31 2006 2:49 utc | 54 sorry jj but this night i saw an important documentary on the range of psychiatric ‘disorders’ that are occurring all over iraq because of the occupation & the free trade in medication Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2006 2:51 utc | 55 i don’t know what the the fuck you’re talking about, ms m. Posted by: slothrop | Dec 31 2006 2:53 utc | 56 i’ll admit also, the use of that word, anywhere, is revolting to me. Posted by: slothrop | Dec 31 2006 2:57 utc | 57 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 31 2006 3:48 utc | 60 @r’giap #55
I believe, but have yet to find time to track down concrete scientific evidence of this, that these changes transfer to genes, and are then capable of being passed down to the next generation(s). I do not think we have even the slightest inkling of what types of incredible damage we do when we place whole peoples in situations of extreme trauma such as those currently found in Iraq or Palestine, or, for that matter, those found during the holocaust. A study I saw some years ago found that something on the order of 70% of Palestinian children in the occupied West Bank suffered from PTSD — and that was a few years back when things were relatively better. God knows what it is now. Posted by: Bea | Dec 31 2006 4:00 utc | 61 @Bea: Posted by: Ms.M. | Dec 31 2006 4:14 utc | 62 “Can social scientists redefine the “war on terror”?”
I’m still processing this article, I have no comments at the moment however, I’m sure I will have much to say with regards to social/cultural anthro’s study of ‘terror’ later, perhaps tommorow. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 31 2006 4:50 utc | 63 from insurgent american
the latter book, in case you weren’t aware, was edited by a distinguished MoA alumna 😉 Posted by: b real | Dec 31 2006 6:29 utc | 65 b real, Posted by: citizen | Dec 31 2006 6:59 utc | 66 I mean Goff’s Sex & War Posted by: citizen | Dec 31 2006 7:05 utc | 67 @Unca (#63) Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 31 2006 7:15 utc | 68 What Bea’s link may confirm, and its most profound ramifications. Where the cultural becomes the material in all its implications. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 31 2006 9:26 utc | 69 Looks like John McCain is looking way too hard for his own Teddy Roosevelt moment. Warmongers remorse, bigtime. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 31 2006 10:04 utc | 70 oh r giap the news about psych. patients is so dreadful – the worst off are those who are forgotten first, like autistic children, the mentally handicapped, psychotics, you know many have died. suicide. often. and the drugs don’t help much (imho) – in any case many are fake or watered down – street drugs. the dignity of the ordinary iraqis impresses, in a way afghanistan is worse off, with its longer war-past, heroin, etc… Posted by: Noirette | Dec 31 2006 15:42 utc | 71 Brin:SINGULARITIES AND NIGHTMARES: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 31 2006 18:26 utc | 72 bea & noirette Posted by: r’giap | Dec 31 2006 19:04 utc | 73 Reuters: Posted by: Bea | Dec 31 2006 20:13 utc | 74 Noirette & Monolycus,
94% overwhelmed… Posted by: citizen | Dec 31 2006 20:37 utc | 75 @citizen (#75)
So… reading a bit into Mr. Noah’s analysis a bit, the 1974 attempt to avoid a potential “Constitutional crisis” might have led directly to the unitary executive that we see today. Interesting. Let’s move on.
I’m not sure how to properly summarize the view you’ve expressed here, Mr. Cheney. Your former boss was “almost alone” in his opinion while representing the will of a democratic republic… and it’s laudable that he went against the majority’s wishes anyway? Is that what you’re saying? Or are you saying that without a back room pardon, we might have faced and resolved the potential Constitutional crisis to which Mr. Noah alluded, and that we’d have a precedent on the books that would not permit you to profiteer to the degree you most obviously have in the present? Is that the “healing” you are talking about? Or is this simply peremptory doubletalk that gives lip service to the will of the people while simultaneously thanking the powers-that-be for handing you a “get out of jail free” card you might need to cash in later yourself? Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 1 2007 8:48 utc | 76 Ding, ding, ding!! And the winner, in the first round, by knock-out is…Monolycus! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 1 2007 10:54 utc | 77 here is a shout out to John Francis Lee. Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 1 2007 13:25 utc | 78 all societies from the remote isolated ethnic groups in the Amazon to the large industrialized nations of Europe, Asia & the Americas have to deal lwith the never-ending sttrugle to sustain & manage their “sense of well being”. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Jan 1 2007 15:00 utc | 79 Re remembering Giap’s 55, about trauma, PTSD and drug use in Iraq: Posted by: Alamet | Jan 1 2007 19:12 utc | 80 |
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