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December 9, 2006
Another Weekend OT
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Col. Pat Lang (he is again blocking me from commenting đ ):
Ack B- what did you say that sent him over the edge? One gets the feeling that he is quite rigid, tryrannical, …etc. – the things one traditionally associates w/anyone who spent their life in the military structures… Posted by: jj | Dec 9 2006 19:23 utc | 2 @jj – not even sure what it was the last time – before I challenged him when he said Iran does build nukes and I asked for proof (none available of course).
Posted by: annie | Dec 9 2006 20:49 utc | 4 The facts on the ground will change much faster than the US policy can develop. Boyd’s OODA loop analysis predicts that the faster guys win …
Clearing the road of advance to the Green Zone I’d say. Two weeks and it’s done. What is missing yet are heavy mortars and anti-air stuff – I’m sure those will be available just in time … Democratsâ New Intelligence Chairman Needs a Crash Course on al Qaeda
No comment on that, just desperation … is this a big deal on the news in Hamburg? Posted by: fauxreal | Dec 9 2006 21:27 utc | 7 b, Posted by: anna missed | Dec 9 2006 21:32 utc | 8 @faux B: Posted by: Ms. M. | Dec 9 2006 22:38 utc | 11 its not clear why anyone still thinks the US will attack Iran before GWB’s term is over. Its a little surprising that PL does. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Dec 9 2006 23:02 utc | 12 How Many More Will Die for Bush’s Ego?
Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 10 2006 0:26 utc | 13 @ Ms. Manners (#11): We need a mooncam, maybe? Posted by: beq | Dec 10 2006 0:39 utc | 14 Ah so, for Pat Lang the only legitimate dissent can come from those w/military background. Then he should so label his blog. Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2006 0:48 utc | 15 Iraqis Near Deal on Distribution of Oil Revenues – NYT p. 1 Posted by: Bea | Dec 10 2006 1:04 utc | 16 jj, Posted by: anna missed | Dec 10 2006 1:26 utc | 17 Corruption, crime inside Homeland Security
Transportation Security Administration employees, including federal air marshals, found themselves arrested for stealing from passengers, child pornography, money laundering, and drug smuggling. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 1:33 utc | 18 Pappa 41 will be doin a lot a weepin’ and a wailin’ either way. Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2006 1:49 utc | 19 better watch yourself, uncle, could be misslaura of dkos. Posted by: conchita | Dec 10 2006 2:40 utc | 22 Secret American talks with insurgents break down
No comment…lol Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 2:43 utc | 23 @conchita Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 2:47 utc | 24 The question was asked at another board, “Was There an Analysis of the Military Vote for the ’06 Mid-Terms?”, and the recent comments on Pat Lang made me curious to bring it here. Does anyone know? Wonder if if would be a question for PL from those whom are not banished from his site.
Also see, Gaza doctors say patients suffering mystery injuries after Israeli attacks Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 3:14 utc | 25 can you imagine, what could be accomplished if we/they were to put the time, energy, research and money into peace as they do war and destruction? Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2006 3:24 utc | 26 If you click on this link tonight you can see a photo that will be sure to warm the hearts of Bush, Condi, Olmert, and all their neocon ilk (not)… Posted by: Bea | Dec 10 2006 3:31 utc | 27 Another great post from Glenn Greenwald:
I can’t really do this long and thoughtful post justice in a little excerpt… it says much more than this. It’s well worth taking the time to read it all. Posted by: Bea | Dec 10 2006 4:05 utc | 28 @Uncle #25 Posted by: Bea | Dec 10 2006 4:10 utc | 29 And as they are now quite openly admitting, neoconservatives hate Jim Baker for three reasons — Israel, Israel and Israel…. Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2006 5:06 utc | 31 Press continues to smear McKinney after “election”
BTW, her so-called “loss” was just another instance of the power of the Israeli lobby smear job and diebold cheat. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 5:23 utc | 32 No wonder they’re shrieking. Did anyone see this? Baker, who famously said “Fuck the Jews. They don’t vote for us anyway.”, proposed another Madrid Conference W/OUT ISRAEL – go to your room little brother, the adults will now convene to settle the nightmare you’ve created… Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2006 5:30 utc | 33 bea:
What struck me at the time was the striking resemblance of the neocon eruption to that of the KKK amidst our previous major imperialist adventure at the turn of the last century.
In the article previously cited several times here in this thread Paul Craig Roberts cites the same Muracvchik screed and goes on to quote Anthony Sullivan (no citation) :
The allusion to the depths of the sea, and thence to millstones and to those who would give scandal is very well taken. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 10 2006 5:35 utc | 34 Oil and Israeli “interests” are now like oil and water. Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2006 5:56 utc | 35 On the heels of jj’s above #35…
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Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 8:24 utc | 36 jj: Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 10 2006 8:25 utc | 37 Robert Parry uses Gary Webb’s suicide to illustrate the sorry state of the US media.
Gary Webb’s Death: American Tragedy Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 8:47 utc | 38 South American leaders aim for EU-like body
Posted by: b real | Dec 10 2006 9:28 utc | 39 Note that while the U.S. colonial master says it is decided, the Afghans say it is not:
Good read on the oil situation in Iraq from the Financial Times. Latent in the article is a new ripple that finds that oil deals are being initiated by the Chinese and the Russians (they have no security worries) that are cutting western interests out. Part of the ISG panic surely is that the loss of control and security have cut out the western oil interests, which bank on a strong centralized government for legitimacy, investment, and insurance while the Russians and Chinese dont seem as fazed in dealing with fractionalized (and sectarian) elements, being (themselves) state run I suppose. The product here of long term sectarian insecurity then is the other non-western interests move in anyway, cutting the long term western interests out, in the short term willingness to work in the chaos. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 10 2006 10:23 utc | 41 What happens if either the Russians or the Chinese pony up that IMF money (to the Iraqi government) that mandate these new “oil laws”? Posted by: anna missed | Dec 10 2006 10:39 utc | 42 Interestingly enough, taking b’s#40 and b real’s #39 along with my #38 a curious picture emerges. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 10:48 utc | 43 opps, that should have read, “Bush sr.talked Reagan into making Carlton Turner the Reagan admininstration’s first Drug Czar”. Abit Loopy over here from not much sleep… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 10:57 utc | 44 A [SHORT] HISTORY OF THE WAR ON DRUGS “History is merely a list of surprises. It can only prepare us to be surprised again.” (Kurt Vonnegut) Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 11:19 utc | 45 Frank Rich: The Sunshine Boys Canât Save Iraq
Anthony Shadid again manages to write a long A1 piece on Hizbullah without ever mentioning the disfranchise of Shia through the Lebanese weird “democracy” rules. b: Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 10 2006 12:30 utc | 49 Britain stops talk of ‘war on terror’
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Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 10 2006 13:46 utc | 51 Gideon Levi on Gaza: Elbow to elbow, like cattle
Ze’ev Schiff: Gates testimony / Preserving nuclear ambiguity
And the show goes on… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 15:49 utc | 53 Gates knows that weapons are in themselves ideology free and can be dropped anywhere and countries do not have friends only interests. Posted by: jlcg | Dec 10 2006 15:51 utc | 54 Today’s fun fact: The left hand [in Saudia Arabia and arabic culture] is considered unclean and reserved for hygiene… Do not point at another person and do not eat with the left hand. (Source: http://www.cyborlink.com/besite/saudi-arabia.htm )
Posted by: Austin Cooper | Dec 10 2006 18:06 utc | 56 John Francis — Posted by: Elie | Dec 10 2006 18:11 utc | 57 Sounds like the demo was even bigger than the one last week. Then AP put the numbers at “800,000-1,000,000” and the opposition at 1.5 million.
Well, what would you shout after having bombed by Israel warplanes with U.S. bombs … Feeling down from all these gloom and doom posts about impending disaster and ongoing catastrophe? Here is a post to inspire and uplift you and restore your faith in humanity, even if only for a brief moment:
What a remarkable man, and what a remarkable speech. Posted by: Bea | Dec 10 2006 18:50 utc | 59 Re Palestine. Here is a 30+ min. video from Nablus – it is a little different from what is usually shown. It is in English, Spanish, Hebrew, with Spanish subtitles. Nothing to do with Uncleâs post about arms; the reality of the occupation, on the ground. As it shows no atrocities, not even a death, it is suitable for educational purposes, or âsending toâ certain people. Iâm always looking for this kind of thing… Posted by: Noirette | Dec 10 2006 19:22 utc | 61 Surely the Baker report is an American-Americano (translating a French expression which I like, une affaire Franco-Francaise, meaning just BS internal French politics) in the sense that it purports to lay out a centrist or consensual position, and as mentioned above, open up discourse, consider possibilities within that frame? Posted by: Noirette | Dec 10 2006 19:28 utc | 62 Sigh… Links do not like me. Posted by: Bea | Dec 10 2006 19:34 utc | 63 Devastating criticisms of micro credit, from libertarian and socialist perspectives: Posted by: Noirette | Dec 10 2006 20:02 utc | 64 Noirette (#62): Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2006 20:03 utc | 65 disclaimer: haven’t had time to read here as thoroughly as i would like, so if this has already been posted, please excuse me.
Now it will be left to be seen who picks up the torch she is handing off. Posted by: conchita | Dec 10 2006 20:23 utc | 66 @Noirette #64 Posted by: Bea | Dec 10 2006 20:25 utc | 67 Re Microcredit – The man who started it, Grameen(sp?) Only Loaned to women ‘cuz the guys threw it all away in pursuit of idiotic ego trips, while the women used it in productive pursuits. It was great. Threw Patriarchy in the Garbage. Of course, once the Patriachal Predator Elite finds something that works it twists it to its own purposes. Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2006 20:30 utc | 68 p.s. but since “libertarian” means patriarchal-libertarian & similarly socialist, they have to destroy any threats to male control. Posted by: jj | Dec 10 2006 20:34 utc | 69 bea, if you would like something inspirational, try bigpicture-tv. a host of inspirational human beings and lessons there. Posted by: conchita | Dec 10 2006 20:37 utc | 70 thank you bea for the positive injection. Posted by: annie | Dec 10 2006 21:25 utc | 71 jj, Posted by: Rowan | Dec 10 2006 22:29 utc | 72 Noirette @62 That has failed for the moment … It looks like that has now been admitted . . .
Seems like Bush-pere’s group are also very worried about the balloon that once was the US budget. Posted by: small coke | Dec 10 2006 22:49 utc | 73 Anybody else here, besides me, see this:
as the opening shot in the Baker vs the “Lobby” coming war? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 10 2006 23:06 utc | 74 Yes, Pinochet is gone. He never fully admitted he was responsible for the torture, murder, child-napping and rape that marked his repulsive regime. Posted by: fauxreal | Dec 11 2006 1:46 utc | 75 $cam :
The Oil Lobby is Greedy and Bad and Getting What it Deserves! The Oil Lobby and the ISG should be consigned to the trash bin of history! Emanuel Rahm D (Il) is on the Job! Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 11 2006 1:56 utc | 76 upstream @47, rick happ pointed to billmon’s query on juan coles blog
while the context there is the state dept, by example of one of the key agencies on the intel side – the cia – it’s my impression that the united states govt has been lacking in their in-house near east linguist abilities from time immemorial, or for the past three decades at least. soon after the announcement of rumsfled’s cut-n-run & the naming of gates as his replacement, i quoted a passage from bamford’s body of secrets that illustrates some of this.
i see little to convince me that the u.s. diplomatic front places any more emphasis on having representatives who know the language & culture. hell, we send mercenaries…i mean missionaries…i mean ambassadors to nations in latin america that don’t even know a lick of espanol. hell, i pretty sure that it’s a requirement that before you attain any position in this govt that you can’t speak sensibly & aren’t capable of listening anyway. cognitive dissonance does not make good soldiers for carrying out elite policy. Posted by: b real | Dec 11 2006 4:15 utc | 77 I take it that ‘b’ and ‘b real’ are different people? Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 11 2006 4:56 utc | 78 JFL — b and b real are different people. citizen and citizen k are different people. Posted by: not that paris | Dec 11 2006 7:36 utc | 79 @65 & @71 Posted by: jony_b_cool | Dec 11 2006 7:48 utc | 80 “I don’t see why we need to stand idly by and watch a country go Communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people.” Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 12 2006 2:50 utc | 82 Is there no limit to stupidity? Posted by: fauxreal | Dec 12 2006 5:01 utc | 83 After reading that, fauxreal, America really is bankrupt. Perhaps it should be simply shut down, and the entire population minus the Native Americans should be relocated to other countries for re-education. After the Native Americans clean up the mess these Euro White Boys have made of things, perhaps they’ll invited us back a few at a time, in small numbers so they can keep a close eye on us & teach us to do things right… Posted by: jj | Dec 12 2006 8:13 utc | 84 This is interesting. Maybe Jerome will comment on it tomorrow @his place. Posted by: jj | Dec 12 2006 8:35 utc | 85 @jj – 84 – Monbiot on torture: Routine and systematic torture is at the heart of America’s war on terror
Olmert: Iran seeking to develop nuclear bomb, ‘like America, France and Israel’
@ jj (84) – I got an email last week from an engineer I used to work with. He’s excited about his new job. He wrote:
[my bold] Posted by: beq | Dec 12 2006 12:32 utc | 88 jj:
Basically the multinationals took Russia to the cleaners after “the Fall of Cummunism”. They get a percent of the profits but, just like a Hollywood Movie… there are no profits. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 12 2006 12:49 utc | 89 Japanese follow Shell on Sakhalin
Shell and Japan to Russia : Posted by: John Francis Lee | Dec 12 2006 13:52 utc | 90 @beq (#88) Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 12 2006 13:58 utc | 91 No wonder there are so many folks in prison: Justice on Katrina time – Hundreds, if not thousands, languish behind bars without their day in court.
And it’s not only Katrina that is the culprit here … Of course, it’s class warfare. It’s been this for decades. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Dec 12 2006 16:39 utc | 93 O’ it’s coming Clueless joe, it’s coming and they know it…until then, it’s grab all you can. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 12 2006 16:49 utc | 94 jj at 65 (Iraq), yes you are right, all sectors. Iâm at present fixated on oil. I hadnât thought about the firing of the Army in those terms, interesting. Posted by: Noirette | Dec 12 2006 17:34 utc | 95 The Bush Administration as Global Jailor
Further, the sub rosa is everything we seem to be doing abroad merely models what we do in State, I.E., at home and visa versa. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 12 2006 18:12 utc | 96 Just saw new German numbers of people in prison today. An all time high since the reunion of east and west: 91 in 100,000 Germans are imprisoned – definitly not good. But then the U.S. number is 730 in 100,000. The Bush Administration as Global Jailor
Further, the sub rosa is everything we seem to be doing abroad merely models what we do in State, I.E., at home and visa versa. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 12 2006 18:33 utc | 98 Pinochet died yesterday, not to long after the death of the architect of his regime, the dear Miltie Friedman. What’s not discussed is that the disastrous economic deforms they put in place are still there screwing everyone. Is Chile a model for what they plan to do here? Notice that Bu$hCo is doing in a modest way what Pinochet did wholesale – kidnap people, torture them, keep them in secret prisons, murder some. Still on a trial basis domestically, just enough to lay down the legal foundation to do it wholesale after they’ve destroyed the dollar, providing them w/justification for releasing “new currency the amero” as they officially turn us into third world nation by merging w/Mexico. Posted by: jj | Dec 12 2006 19:42 utc | 99 |
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