Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 26, 2006
Unreal

Needed: A Big Stick is what the Washington Post editors prescribe today.

The subtitle already differentiates the authors from the normal crowd of human beings, those in contact with reality:

Iran and Syria are waging war in the Middle East. Will the West fight back?

It is hard to imagine what news sources these people have.

The last time I checked, and I did check recently, the U.S. is fighting a war against Iraq, Israel just fought a war against Lebanon and Israel is also fighting a permanent war against the Palestinians. Syria and Iran are not waging war.

But it gets better than that:

The assassination [of Gemayel] was a shockingly audacious attack on Lebanon’s democratic forces and their U.S. and European allies.

Pierre Gemayel was probably a decent man, I don’t know much about him, but a man who, being a Christian, claimed Shia Lebanese "may be the quantity, but we are the quality." sounds like a racist to me not like a democrat.

The democratic forces in Lebanon these WaPo editors seem to love are those who support the uphold of an undemocratic system. Parliament seats in Lebanon as well as government positions are distributed by quotas for various religious groups. These quotas are based on a demographic count done back in 1932 and have little to do with todays real numbers. Lebanon does not have a one wo/men one vote system in a true sense. Gemayel and the democratic forces are the ones who cling to this system and do fight against the true democratic one Hizbullah demands.

On Iran the editors write:

Iran meanwhile presses ahead with its barely disguised nuclear weapons program: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad recently promised to increase the number of centrifuges enriching uranium from the current 328 to 60,000.

As Seymour Hersh recently wrote, the program is so barely disguised, that the CIA does think that it does not exist and that the IAEA has found no hint of such a program either. To operate 60,000 centrifuges is of course consistent with Iran’s public plans for civil nuclear energy use.

Coming from their very unreal assembly of facts the writers then demand, not to talk with the Iranian or Syrian government unless the U.S. has some "sticks" to carry into those negotiations – sticks being UN resolutions or sanctions by an "ad hoc coalition" to put pressure on Iran and Syria. The chances for the administration to get such "sticks" are, given the facts, essentially zero and the editorial does not say where they could be found.

That the editorial starting from unreal facts ends with unrealistic demands is not astonishing. But astonishing to me is how people, who, I assume, know the reality, feel the need to write such unreal stuff at all.

If they would argue for giving money to big pharma while having lots of pharma shares, I would understand the need to deceive and to be unreal. But in the case of talks with Iran and Syria, what is there to gain for them by writing such diatribe.

Do the authors really believe that "staying the course" and not to talk about mutal interests with Iran and Syria will further US interests?

Comments

I came across a gem to in the Turkish Press:
US commentators like the Washington Post`s Colbert King point out that Sistani and his followers owe a debt of gratitude to the US for freeing them from oppression under Saddam Hussein.
US soon in Iraq longer than World War II

Posted by: Fran | Nov 26 2006 20:10 utc | 1

funny the link didn’t show up, here another try: Link

Posted by: Fran | Nov 26 2006 20:12 utc | 2

Ever since the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, the word in conservative & Christian fundamentalist circles has been that “World War III has already started”. So it’s just a matter of time before we are called on to come in and straighten things out, isn’t it?

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 26 2006 20:13 utc | 3

Some hopeful news:
US President George Bush does not have sufficient credit to initiate a military strike on Iran, Giora Romm, senior researcher for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, told a forum attended by members of the Foreign Ministry and delegates from the American Jewish community in Jerusalem Tuesday.
 
Romm was a former Air Force pilot, Assistant Director of IDF operations, defense attache to Washington and a former head of the Jewish Agency. He recently returned from Washington, and described how senior American officials were completely preoccupied with the war in Iraq.
 
“Iraq is sitting very heavily on them,” Romm said, adding that the problems of the Iraq war have robbed President Bush of any credibility.
Quoting a senior American official, Romm told the forum, “If Bush does something physical to Iran, he will be impeached.”
 
“Bush has no military credit. Don’t delude yourself by thinking that Bush has a military option (regarding Iran).
link
But clearly JINSA/AIPAC hasn’t given up hope & is still cranking out the propaganda….

Posted by: jj | Nov 26 2006 20:36 utc | 4

Two Irreducible Truths Emerge . . .
As the rubble of Iraq settles into the bloodied mud and sand of that God-forsaken landscape, two irreducible truths come into clear view:
One, America is now irrelevant to the processes in play there. We started it, but it has grown beyond us. Stay. Go. Build permanent bases. Or, helicopter every last trooper outta there — it doesn’t make more than a smidgeon of difference to the forces that have been unleashed in that nation, and the region.
Two, America dare not leave Iraq. It would be an admission that we are a failed superpower; it would be an enthusiastic “Uncle!” yelled to the Chinese and Russians and Indians, saying you go ahead and lead the world economy from here, we are spent.
No Democratic or Republican party politician will say that, or take that step, but that is the what the two trillion Mistah Bush has squandered on Iraq bought us — economic and military irrelevance.
Our military strength is supreme on the planet only because of our nuclear arsenal. Our economic strength is supreme on the planet only because dollars are still sold in oil.
Our “boots on the ground” military is as used up and worn down and shattered as it is possible to get and still show up on the parade ground. It will be years before we can call if fully capable again.
Our economy consists of debt upon debt upon debt, all of it long since bundled into hedge funds betting on fantasies about the future status of this debt or that debt.
The American Empire is over. It would have been over by 2060 in any case, but Mistah Bush killed it in six short years.
Don’t forget, we entered this century with a booming economy, the respect and admiration of the whole world, and a budget surplus.
This never needed to happen.

Posted by: Antifa | Nov 26 2006 23:09 utc | 5

Antifa:

Don’t forget, we entered this century with a booming economy, the respect and admiration of the whole world, and a budget surplus.
This never needed to happen.

It’s stupifying, but true. Even before 9/11 George XLIII had reinstituted the Republicrat deficits.
Why do they hate America?

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 27 2006 1:47 utc | 6

jj:
Hopefull?!!

Speaking to Ynetnews, Romm said he “could see a situation where we would attack Iran and the United States won’t, but I can’t estimate that now.”

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 27 2006 1:48 utc | 7

From your Needed: A Big Stick b :

The assassination was a shockingly audacious attack on Lebanon’s democratic forces and their U.S. and European allies.

No. Israeli’s invasion of Lebanon, murder of Lebanese people, destruction of Lebanese infrastructure, and mining and cluster bombing of south Lebanon was “a shockingly audacious attack on Lebanon’s democratic forces and their U.S. and European allies”.

But the attack fits snugly into a pattern of provocations across the region by Iran and Syria, which appear to believe that American reversals in Iraq have given them the opportunity to create what Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad calls “a new Middle East” — one in which their influence and radical ideology will predominate.

“A new Middle East”… wher have I heard that before? The PNAC? GWB? Condolleezza Rice’s post-partem prognostications?
This is the rovian “paint the opposition with your own worst faults first” plan of attack.

They would make their client Hezbollah the power broker in Lebanon, restoring Syrian suzerainty. They would use Hamas to block any progress toward an Israeli-Palestinian settlement and perpetuate a continuing, if low-grade, war on Israel. And they would continue to bleed the United States by supplying insurgents in Iraq with arms and sanctuary.

To whit :

  • Israel has made their creation “Hezbollah the power broker in Lebanon”.
  • Israel has used Hamas “to block any progress toward an Israeli-Palestinian settlement and perpetuate a continuing, if low-grade, war” on Palestine.
  • The neocons, such as the one who has authored this unsigned Washington Post editorial “continue to bleed the United States by supplying insurgents in Iraq with” a constant confirmation of the insurgents’ worst fears as they flesh out those intentions with screeds like this in the Washington Post.

In paragraph 3 this fifth-column neocon on the fourth-estate :

  • Claims, again, that the present US regime is appeasing the forces of Evil in the middle East.
  • Demands that the US not ever speak to Syria.
  • Demands that the US restate its demand that Iran capitulate in advance on talks centering on its capitulation.
  • Demands that the US apply sanctions now to Iran as it had to Iraq prior to its invasion and occupation of that country.
  • Make plans for punitive actions against Syria.

In the tail end :

  • Paragraph 4 : Talk is a worthless waste of time.
  • Paragraph 5 : We want sanctions against Syria too.
  • Paragraph 6 : Let’s you and him fight, some more.

This is not an “Op-ed”, it is a statement of the editorial position of the Washington Times, I mean Post.
I would say they have gone over to the enemy, but they have only made explicit what every has noticed all along.
They’ve been there done that long since gone.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 27 2006 2:47 utc | 8

One poll said Bush now tracked at 29%, heard someone on tv say the republicans were Bushes #1 enemy now, he said the war must become a non issue before the 2008 elections get under way, the new democrats are in disarray before they even take office, Nouri al-Maliki had rocks thrown at his motorcade today in Sadr City, Al-Sadr has said he will leave the government if Maliki visits Bush on Tuesday, I heard Iyad Allawi spends more time in London than Iraq, perhaps in ill health, King Abdullah says there are now 3 civil wars in the ME and is worried about it spreading, Russia has begun supplying Iran with with state of the art anti-aircraft missiles to compliment their state of the art Russian ship missiles.
Maybe the WaPo is just being sarcastic, riiiiight

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 27 2006 3:52 utc | 9

WaPo art. b- cited is such a bizarre inversion of Reality, only possible by propagandists in the Center of the Empire under the influence of AIPAC. What do sticks mean when you have to beg Iran & Syria to save your bacon??
Here’s a more grounded realistic assessment, that also underscores why Israel in the grips of its own radical right wing is so dangerous to America & the ME generally.
BAGHDAD, Iraq – While American commanders have suggested that civil war is possible in Iraq, many leaders, experts and ordinary people in Baghdad and around the Middle East say it is already under way, and that the real worry ahead is that the conflict will destroy the flimsy Iraqi state and draw in surrounding countries.
Whether the U.S. military departs Iraq sooner or later, the United States will be hard-pressed to leave behind a country that does not threaten U.S. interests and regional peace, according to American and Arab analysts and political observers.
“We’re not talking about just a full-scale civil war. This would be a failed-state situation with fighting among various groups” growing into regional conflict, Joost Hiltermann, Middle East project director for the International Crisis Group, said by telephone from Amman, Jordan.
“The war will be over Iraq, over its dead body,” Hiltermann said.

As Iraq’s neighbors grapple with the various ideas put forward for solving the country’s problems, they uniformly shudder at one proposal: dividing Iraq into separate regions for Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, and then speeding the withdrawal of U.S. forces.
“To envision that you can divide Iraq into three parts is to envision `ethnic cleansing’ on a massive scale, sectarian killing on a massive scale,” Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, said Oct. 30 at a conference in Washington. “Since America came into Iraq uninvited, it should not leave Iraq uninvited.”
“When the ethnic-religious break occurs in one country, it will not fail to occur elsewhere, too,” Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told Germany’s Der Spiegel newsweekly recently. “It would be as it was at the end of the Soviet Union, only much worse. Large wars, small wars — no one will be able to get a grip on the consequences.”

Diplomats and analysts increasingly are urging the Bush administration to reach out to both countries as part of a regional approach to quelling Iraq’s troubles. Former Secretary of State James Baker, leader of a panel preparing a set of policy recommendations for the Bush administration, already has endorsed the idea of seeking the help of Iran and Syria.

“The thing is, because Iran and Syria both have spoiling power in Iraq, if you could neutralize them,” it would ease some of the many pressures within Iraq, Hiltermann said. But he said the two countries may demand a mighty trade-off: for Syria, U.S. help with its biggest stated aim, winning back the Golan Heights from Israel; for Iran, U.S. compromise over its nuclear program.
Sticks…Sticks…
Doesn’t this paragraph tell us that it is Israel that stands in the way of enlisting help of relevant nations to hammer out a settlement, or am I missing something? Civil war could ripple outward

Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2006 5:58 utc | 10

I just noticed as I closed that article, that it also is from WaPo Don’t know if they published it, or if it was just written & sent out by those who subscribe to their services. Their editorial reads like AIPAC’s reply to it, which WaPo dutifully endorses.

Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2006 6:03 utc | 11

Pat Lang also read the WaPo Editorial: War Drums at Washpo

Based on this editorial as “capstone” for many other recent pronouncements, I judge the editorial page of the Washington Post to be a neocon rag.

Posted by: b | Nov 27 2006 6:29 utc | 12

Putting #11 & 12 together, where do NeoNuts leave off & mere AIPAC devotees begin?

Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2006 8:42 utc | 13

This bit by David Sangar in NYT underscores that WaPo just attacking Baker Comish:
WASHINGTON, Nov. 26 — A draft report on strategies for Iraq, which will be debated here by a bipartisan commission beginning Monday, urges an aggressive regional diplomatic initiative that includes direct talks with Iran and Syria, but sets no timetables for a military withdrawal, according to officials who have seen all or parts of the document.Iraq Study Group Weighs Overture to Iran and Syria

Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2006 9:13 utc | 14

Desperation is setting in. The US has ‘no choice’, it has to control Iraq fossil fuel resources, by any means whatsoever.
This article from the Asia Times states that Western oil companies now only control 9 to 10% of World reserves and explains that bi-lateral, ‘private’ contracts, outside of the ‘free market’ (oil as a global pool, all is available to all, highest bidder wins) made by Russia, India, China, and many others, are now dominant.
atimes part 1
atimes part 2

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 27 2006 16:44 utc | 15

Noted this story, tangentially related to Noirette’s #15
Iran poised to sign huge oil deal with China
Just gave me pause, thinking about the frenzy to attack Iran…

Posted by: Bea | Nov 27 2006 17:08 utc | 16

Speaking of America’s failure in Iraq, here’s a good article called Dangers of Imposing Democracy on Other Countries that brings up who really controls all this: international banking interests. There will always be constant wars around the world until the people find a way to get the bankers out of the equation. The bankers profit on both sides and will continue causing the need for war because of this.

Posted by: DS | Dec 12 2006 19:35 utc | 17