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November 17, 2006
OT 06-108
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They use 2000 pound bombs because they don’t know who or where their tragets are, so they err on the side of killing everyone and everything anywhere near the position of military aged males with waepons. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 17 2006 6:28 utc | 2 A project of dispossession can never be a noble cause
Military may ask $127B for wars
@b #3 – Thanks for this link.
Posted by: Bea | Nov 17 2006 8:48 utc | 5 It takes a Billmon to comment on this:
Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 17 2006 13:54 utc | 7 Israel dismisses new peace plan
I hope we can somehow magnify Spain’s realization of the enormity of the situation in Palestine. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 17 2006 14:07 utc | 8 Jihadis have infiltrated the US government.
Posted by: lonesomeG | Nov 17 2006 15:46 utc | 9 Senate Backs White House Plan for India Nuclear Deal
Posted by: Bea | Nov 17 2006 15:58 utc | 10 Oops -sorry. That last paragraph above was mine, not the paper’s — forgot to close my blockquote tag after the first one. Moving too fast… Posted by: Bea | Nov 17 2006 16:00 utc | 11 Another correction — I should have written “changing” laws, not “breaking” them… Freudian slip I suppose. Posted by: Bea | Nov 17 2006 16:02 utc | 12 @bea – India nuke deal – best source on this stuff is the ArmsContolWonk (search for India). Bea, Posted by: biklett | Nov 17 2006 16:55 utc | 14 U.S. Searching for Americans Abducted in Southern Iraq
The really interesting questions are: Chief among lessons for the war in Iraq, President Bush said, was that “we’ll succeed unless we quit”. Pathetic propaganda, but it is worse to believe it. If US troops were still in Vietnam, the war of liberation from the foreign colonizers would still be ongoing. The valley on the Central Coast where I spent a year was retaken by the communists two years later in 1972 once US troops were gone. Pacification, Vietnamization, Death and Maiming were all for nothing. Posted by: Jim S | Nov 17 2006 18:21 utc | 16 @Jim – nobody wants to colonize Iraq – controlling the oil would be just enough. B: Posted by: dan | Nov 17 2006 18:44 utc | 18 The effects on employment will be the real mess:
greg grandin on da chicgo boy in chile: Milton Friedman and the Economics of Empire
Posted by: b real | Nov 17 2006 19:12 utc | 20 Student stunned by taser gun at UCLA has retained a high profile civil rights lawyer and plans to file a brutality law suit. Posted by: Bea | Nov 17 2006 19:13 utc | 21 So now another mercenary gets his ticket punched in the pacified Shia south. Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 17 2006 19:40 utc | 23 following up on bea .. here is a link to the youtube video of the event: Posted by: bianco | Nov 17 2006 19:40 utc | 24 i suppose if there is a positive in gates getting rumsfailed’s old job, it may be pink slips for both camobone & boykin. wayne madsen writes:
of course, the living dead do continue to keep coming back to kill again Posted by: b real | Nov 17 2006 19:40 utc | 25 More covert war on the nets…
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 17 2006 19:48 utc | 26 in these times: Stunning Revelations: The untold story of Taser-related deaths
Bolivia: Land reform or clash?
Posted by: b real | Nov 17 2006 20:02 utc | 27 U$, Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 17 2006 20:53 utc | 28 “We’ll succeed,” Bush added, “unless we quit.” Posted by: pb | Nov 17 2006 23:19 utc | 29 CIA confirms Ron Suskind’s quote (that I posted here earlier in the week) that Bush signed secret torture directive. Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 17 2006 23:35 utc | 30 Watch your Southern Border: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 18 2006 0:40 utc | 31 what a great TGIF guffaw. thanks, U$, that’ll keep me laughing all weekend. Posted by: catlady | Nov 18 2006 0:57 utc | 33 Comment on Palestinian Loss of Land
The reduction of Palestine to the Concentration Camps scattered in the West Bank and the Gaza in black and white. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 18 2006 2:46 utc | 34 Faux :
Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 18 2006 2:53 utc | 35 WooHoo! Let’s have that constitutional crisis…Bush’s numbers are so low, the country will not back him. Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 18 2006 3:25 utc | 36 Cuba Wins Legal Battle against US Firm
and, in news that is sure to light up some type of allegorical synapse in anti-communists paranoics everywhere, cuba beats venezuela in the world dominoes championship
world championship b/t only four countries? hey, if the u.s. can call the mlb finale “the world series”, which features only one country, i say why the hell not!
and wrt the article i posted yesterday on the chavez opposition openly calling for public unrest & a military golpe after the december election,
the nation (via venezuelaanalysis): Letter From Venezuela: The Land of Chavismo
Posted by: b real | Nov 18 2006 5:24 utc | 37 General Michael Aoun, the Lebanese Christian leader and probably the best friend Hezbollah ever had: Posted by: jony_b_cool | Nov 18 2006 5:25 utc | 38 Always nice to start the day with a guffaw. Thanks uncle$ 🙂 Posted by: markfromireland | Nov 18 2006 6:44 utc | 40 For West Bank, It’s a Highway to Frustration
Well, Afghanistan it is obvious … and on Iraq even Blair may get some grip …
The Homeland Security Discount Vacation
Reminder: This is NOT a sanction for being Venezuela-friendly. Nor is this a neo-feudal attempt to bind the poor to the land. Get back to work. Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 18 2006 9:03 utc | 43 Don’t know about this story… I’ve not heard of thisislondon.co.uk before. I kept having to check to make sure I wasn’t reading “The Onion’s” take on the concept of the “nanny state”. Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 18 2006 9:17 utc | 44 Not so hard to believe from the “black sphere” infested U.K. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 18 2006 9:28 utc | 45 Ah, so any contribution that has my name attached to it in any thread will get singled out for irrelevant harassment? I thought it was just a single poster’s undisclosed personal issues with me, but apparently there’s a number of regulars here who enjoy hissy fits and non sequiturs in lieu of communication. I don’t. Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 18 2006 9:40 utc | 46 @ b real Thanks for the link to the taser article which I have just sent to a local parliamentarian whose reasonably onto it. The NZ police are currently about 3 months into a 12 month ‘Taser Trial” They don’t carry guns and were looking for something better than the pepper spray they have had for the last few years. Even though the trial has been confined to three predominantly polynesian police districts – in the hope that no whitefellas will be tasered unjustly or with unfortunate results before the government pronounces the trial a success they have got themselves into a considerable amount of strife already as this article reveals: Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 18 2006 9:45 utc | 47 aw c’mon Mono, anna missed agrees with you. everyone knows that there is more video surveillance in the UK than any other place in the world. and they want even more. it is no accident that “1984” is set in England. Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 18 2006 10:00 utc | 48 I do’nt think so Monolycus, the U.K. is indeed the most watched culture on the face of the earth. Slothrops chauvinism, and thats what it is in this case (in that other thread), belies in many ways the modes of resistance that s(he) would in an other context promote. Would Guy Debord as Sam Curtis pointed out, not see the value (in exchange) of “boycott”, at least as a sign? I would think so. All the rest is thin skinned rancor that any student of philosophy should come to expect as part of the process. There is no warm fuzzy in the world of ideas. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 18 2006 10:08 utc | 49 There have been a few posts touching on the current “worse than anyone could possibly imagined the Israelis would get”, situation in Palestine in this thread and even a link to a Counterpunch article but since I haven’t seen any mention of this horrifying story from the latest Counterpunch here is a link to the scariest nasty of the month. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 18 2006 10:50 utc | 50 @Monolycus – here is the “nanny” story on BBC The last thing I want is another attention-starved pissing contest to spring up, dan. I’m rapidly becoming accustomed to receiving cheap shots that are not germane to anything I have actually said when I’m trying to make benign contributions, so I interpreted your reference to the other thread as an unprovoked swipe at me, anna missed. If I was wrong, I sincerely apologise. There might not be any “warm fuzzies” in the world of ideas, but I am seeing fewer and fewer legitimate ideas and more and more hypocritical personal projections. Offense is most definitely taken in those cases where offense is most definitely intended. I’ve never been amused by schoolyard psychology, and have absolutely lost my patience for it in this place, which I had previously presumed to be above that. Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 18 2006 11:09 utc | 52 @b (#51) Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 18 2006 11:12 utc | 53 Monolycus Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 18 2006 11:39 utc | 54 “crappy teacher” – bingo Posted by: gmac | Nov 18 2006 12:39 utc | 55 @dano'(#54) Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 18 2006 16:51 utc | 56 Oops. I should add, in the interest of redressing what someone “on that other thread” said about my “naivete”; I’ll admit most of my ideas are a patchwork of things I’ve learned from the piles of graphic novels in my apartment, anachronistic roleplaying, and Buffy: Vampire Slayer. Rather than compile all my views into a tidy weltanschauung, I’ve searched for an expression of my belief(s) accommodating the endless transformation of my experiences and accumulated knowledge. I’ve previously offered “social movementarianism” as an awkward description of such an adequate expression of life in all its richnes, fullness, completeness, uniqueness, and totality. And my strategy was dismissed by our resident “uncracked nut” for reasons I cannot totally understand, but it had something to do with my so-called “bourgeois” mystification of reality blah blah–that I possess the comfort (based on my class privilege, I guess) to be anything I want to be, whenever I want and that it is harmful to believe this is true for everyone else. Posted by: MonoLycus | Nov 18 2006 17:53 utc | 57 just one question. what are black spheres? i have to admit i don’t spend much time in bars these days so new york may be rife with them, but i haven’t seen one yet in limited exposure. are they like the black lights of the 60s/70s? Posted by: conchita | Nov 18 2006 18:03 utc | 58 Don’t want these jewels of wisdom to get lost in the “am not/are too/I know you are but what am I?” PeeWee Hermanesque hunt for the bicycle of structration theory nirvana among the MoA bourgeoisie who are not allowed to talk about politics (but what about the lumpen proles who couldn’t give a shit? ohwell) unless they do so by using obfuscating jargon for ideas that are easily communicated (and what about those lumpen proles again?) in simple language that is not meant to exclude, but that’s the purpose of jargon anyway, at least that’s what I thought when my advisor wanted me to study at Duke or Yale and yuck stanley fish because unions well understand the distribution of power as do women or blacks or others who are not the norm by which all others are judged and today’s theory is tomorrow’s lamarckism but that’s okay but not okay to use as a bludgeon against those who do not agree which leads me to- Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 18 2006 18:08 utc | 59 Uncle Scam’s video at 31. Posted by: Noirette | Nov 18 2006 18:10 utc | 60 Some interesting things by The Next Hurra on how the Femocratic party is organized. re: conchita’s black sphere question- me too. Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 18 2006 18:29 utc | 62 THE NURSERY RHYME POLICE – PARENTS TO TAKE LESSONS IN READING AND SINGING!! Posted by: Noirette | Nov 18 2006 18:57 utc | 63 Two paragraphs from a NYT portrait of an MP captain show the essence of the US “problems” with the war on Iraq
1. graph – US intervention with the civil society (seal and clear is inevitably brutal to the civilians in that area) does lead to more violence noirette in 60, about uncle’s video in 31, thank you for giving words to what i was feeling. another barfly mentioned it in an email last night and i responded that i found it amusing but not so much as something else written yesterday. i thought it was due to connection issues last night – things were running slowly and except for the final frames i only got the audio on the link. your comment gave voice to my skepticism. Posted by: conchita | Nov 18 2006 19:23 utc | 65 Can someone explain to me why the nursery rhyme classes are wrong, exactly? I’m feeling a little slow today. Before you try to explain, though, please keep in mind: –> It is accepted neuroscience — substantiated by examples — that certain types of learning are only possible in the early parts of your life (for example, children who do not learn any language at all before roughly the age of six will usually never really learn how to speak) (The human brain undergoes two substantial physical changes, one at age six when the high-speed growth in size stops, and one at puberty when the hormones wash over everything. If you’re looking for a physical difference between humans and other animals, the post-birth brain enlargement is a biggie.) –> The current belief — don’t know if it’s substantiated to the same degree or not — is that rhythm and music are vastly important to humanity’s ability to reason; not having read much of the research beyond the synopsis, I can’t say whether it has to occur in the first six years (or some other period) but it would not surprise me. So the research at least superficially supports the idea that exposing small children to music and language will make them smarter adults. The BBC article — the other one wouldn’t load for me — says these classes are not compulsory. What’s the problem, please? (I’m not being sarcastic, I just don’t see the problem.) Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Nov 18 2006 19:29 utc | 66 I read an odd little bit about Rumsfeld in this week’s New Yorker, Jeffrey Goldberg writing about “Cakewalk” Adelman:
What a weird image–Rummy’s litany to solidify his “program”? Posted by: catlady | Nov 18 2006 20:25 utc | 67 noirette and conchita: Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 18 2006 20:41 utc | 68 Black Spheres that I know first proliferated during the corporatisation of the gambling culture when every casino room had at least a couple of ‘black spheres’ in the ceiling. Their purpose was to conceal a vid camera so that it was impossible to tell which way it was pointed ie who was being surveilled. Is that the black spheres which have distracted the bar flies from their various ego-centricities? Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 18 2006 20:42 utc | 69 Why even worry about the fuckers in the middle east particularly the Palestinians who are being bombed, starved, beaten and genearlly fucked into submission by the culture to which we all belong when there are far more imporatnt issues at hand. . .like one’s status in a virtual group? shit. . . .! Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 18 2006 20:46 utc | 71 this thread is about dead but in case anyone is still around, I just read an interesting post over at Booman Tribune which speaks of how the netroots movement intends to deal with the democrats and the fissures that have already opened in that party. Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 18 2006 23:53 utc | 72 b: Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 19 2006 0:25 utc | 73 jfl, i second your appreciation of b’s next hurrah link – learned a lot there – and dos the booman diary has me looking for the full matt bai article on the netroots. my little contribution is the diary by renarf at dkos about richard dreyfus talking about the importance of impeachment on bill maher last night. stealing from her transcription of their conversation:
dreyfus also makes a strong case for teaching and studying civics and the diary includes links to the show and a speech dreyfus gave at the press club. his emphasis on taking action in order to preserve a democratic form of government resonated strongly with me. Posted by: conchita | Nov 19 2006 1:08 utc | 74 conchita: Posted by: John Francis Lee | Nov 19 2006 1:48 utc | 75 After I pressed send on my silly #71 post I realised that a/ putting out the fire with gasoline wasn’t a go and b/ it was goin to come across as a cheap shot at Monolycus which it wasn’t intended to be. So I apologise hopefully in a way which won’t prolong or resurrect the bullshit. Sorry Monolycus I wasn’t having a go at you. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 19 2006 2:09 utc | 76 jfl, i do not disagree. as b has been saying and as the election of steny hoyer confirms, just removing bush and cheney from office does not de facto translate into getting the u.s. out of iraq or israel out of palestine. it could very well be a media circus that only serves to distract from the other critical issues. there is a part of me though that cannot resist the concept of dethroning bushco. Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 19 2006 2:32 utc | 77 that last was i. not sure why typepad decided not to remember my info today. Posted by: conchita | Nov 19 2006 2:35 utc | 78 For those who can’t figure it out, #57 was not me. It was my stalker, who has discovered yet another unacceptable boundary to cross by signing my name to posts I didn’t write. Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 19 2006 4:51 utc | 79 slothrop, this is way over the line. will you please stop this? Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 19 2006 5:06 utc | 80 slothrop, i am probably the only idiot here who thought that monolycus was parodying you. i wondered why he couldn’t just let it go. so now i ask you – why can’t you just let it go? honestly, i don’t believe you are a troll, but this is what a troll does in a virtual community – derail discussions and cause infighting. i don’t want you to leave nor do i want monolycus to leave. do you have any thoughts about a solution here? Posted by: conchita | Nov 19 2006 5:35 utc | 82 jj- did you catch this announcement last week?
Posted by: b real | Nov 19 2006 7:26 utc | 83 @Debs is Dead (#76) Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 19 2006 8:23 utc | 84 A sane view on Dafur – somone is finally mentioning the real victims, i.e. the nomads:
Allawi is pimping himself/being pimped as “strongman to lead Iraq” by the neocon London Times: Allawi shapes up as Iraq’s iron man
Also in the London Times war criminal Kissinger is preparing the ground for more pressure on Iran: Iran despises weakness
Olmert seems a wee peeved at Lieberman (no, not that one) for letting the cat out of the bag… Israel should kill Hamas leaders, walk away from road map peace plan: deputy PM
Wonder where they came up with that idea for a “Final Solution”? Can’t see how that might end badly.
Turns out IEDs are low on the list of things you need to watch out for when your partner is scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with new recruits. Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 19 2006 13:43 utc | 88 Hmm. Try cutting and pasting the URL for the “Fury at American contempt for British war dead” story. Typepad doesn’t seem to like it. Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 19 2006 13:46 utc | 89 Human Shield………….. hopefully others will follow this example and shame the Israelis.
Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 19 2006 13:59 utc | 90 gmac, Posted by: Juannie | Nov 19 2006 23:02 utc | 94 thanks, Juannie. Apparently it is my forte as is watching phlyes phuque (curling) and drinking a yucky chemical soup bearing C2H5OH (Molson’s).
Posted by: gmac | Nov 19 2006 23:53 utc | 96 Used to be Labatt’s IPA but now it’s Wollover’s organic IPA. Never curled growing up but could skate and stickhandle by about the time I could walk. Posted by: Juannie | Nov 20 2006 0:04 utc | 97 s-s-s-shudder-r-r, Labatt’s. They make a Guinness that is downright heretical although I didn’t mind JL Classic. Posted by: gmac | Nov 20 2006 0:36 utc | 99 |
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