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November 30, 2006
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Helena Cobban, an experienced Middle East journalist, is concerned that an attack on Iran might come before December 6, the day the Iraq Study Group report will become an official document.

Her reasoning is based on a few ominous signs:

  • the recent sudden resign of "realist" Rice counsellor Phil Zelikow, who might have learned of some coming action that he does not want to be part of;
  • the general time with Congress out of session and changing leadership and no major policy pressure (which may change after the ISG paper) and no more elections for Bush in the way;
  • the unprecedented travel activities of Bush / Cheney / Rice and others in the Middle East;
  • the sudden peace offer by Olmert to the Palestinians which an Arab journalists (explained by Badger) sees as a historic repeat:

In a nutshell, Atwan says the 1991 war was accompanied by a promise to the Palestinians of an international conference to solve their problems (the Madrid Conference), which however produced nothing for them; and the 2003 attack was preceded by the famous Bush promise of a sovereign contiguous state for the Palestinians by 2005. In other words, these promises are attempts to rally Arab support ahead of major wars.

Add to these signs the current fluff of pro-Sunni/anti-Shia outbreaks in Lebanon, Egypt and by Saudi Arabia.

I am not sure that the publication of the ISG report with a measured demand for negotiations with Iran and Syria is something that is perceived by Cheney as limiting the chances to bring on an attack on Iran. It may not have such a weight, but I have to defer to Helena’s experience in analyzing politics on that.

What makes me a bit leaning to her concern are the relative big and fast changes in the $/Euro rate, and the determined upward movements in oil and gold over the last days.

What do these markets know that we do not know?

Comments

If I copy this right, fuel oil in the tank for the furnace, wood in the carport for the fireplace and rice and dried beans in the cupboard are worth more than money in the bank.
I mean, we all know what is coming — but so soon, before Xmas? What a grinchy thing to do!

Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Nov 30 2006 20:55 utc | 1

I’ve thought for a long time that the period between the election and the new year would be the most likely moment for a U.S. or U.S./Israeli strike on Iran — simply because it would be the period when opposition is most disorganized. (Lame duck Congress, new leadership not yet in office, holidays preoccupying public, post-election exhaling, etc.)
In analyzing how Democrats might have prevented the passage of the torture/habeas-stripping/tribunal bill (the Military Commissions Act), I came to the conclusion that it would have been essential right after the Supreme Court’s Hamdan decision to imagine the worst possible, most aggressive action on the part of this administration, and develop a response.
Then I applied the same reasoning to the elections and Iran. I hope I’m wrong; one thing that works against the idea that the attack is imminent is that there are not enough carrier groups in place.

Posted by: Nell | Nov 30 2006 21:25 utc | 2

There could of course be other explanations (Olmert in particular is in a very risky position after the lost war in Lebanon and I imagine that he has to do something dramtical, maybe even peace) but I have been thinking in these terms a bit myself. Flight forward being every compulsive gamblers first choice and all.
So lets explore it:
There are no troops for a ground attack, AFAIK.
So air raids it is. And if there is to be any possibility of shoring up sunni arab support it can not be Israeli air strikes. Besides I think that is pushing the range a bit for the israeli air force.
So US air raids.
What about ship movements? There was a lot of talk in october, but what does it look like now? Or has the US enough air power in the gulf all the time to mount air raids on Iran?
It is still wacko as can be, but then I am not the one worried about my presidential legacy.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Nov 30 2006 21:28 utc | 3

Presumably with the “enduring” bases on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan there is no need for nearby ships; and there appears to be some vulnerability to anti-ship missiles known to be held by Iran. Perhaps getting the ships clear of constrained waterways where they might have been sitting ducks argues for, rather than against, a near-term action.
I still think the biggest deterrent is the troops still in Iraq on an 800 mile supply line through Shia territory.

Posted by: PeeDee | Nov 30 2006 22:13 utc | 4

Helena Cobban, an experienced Middle East journalist, is concerned that an attack on Iran might come before December 6, the day the Iraq Study Group report will become an official document.

>> The United States still has three carrier battle groups in the area, and likely several Ohio– and Los Angeles-class submarines.
>> There has been some chatter on market-and-investment boards covering the same oil and gold upticks, but also (see this) that B-1 bombers stationed at Diego Garcia have been redeployed to an unamed base in the Middle East within the past seven to ten days[Caveat: I haven’t found any other sources to support this].
>> The people still running the machinery of government in America (such as it is) are out of their minds.
>> Full moon (over Teheran, as well as Alabama) is December 5th.
>> For a basic satellite weather image over the region, see this.
>> Current Teheran weather conditions here.
Good night, and good luck.

Posted by: Austin Cooper | Nov 30 2006 22:22 utc | 5

Like Nell, and as I’ve said probably here and surely on Steve Gilliard’s site, I never thought there would be much chances of an attack before the election. On the other hand, there are many reasons that could push Bush to take action between the lost election and the coming of the new Congress in late January. This would be the most dangerous time.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Nov 30 2006 23:03 utc | 7

Oil and gold prices would naturally rise as the dollar tanks.
New moons are used for attacks, not full moons.
My hunch is that Bush is floundering so much now that Iran is off the menu for now. But who knows, maybe the thinking is it’s now or never.

Posted by: biklett | Nov 30 2006 23:20 utc | 8

It certainly helps make sense of the ‘unprecedented travel activities’. Bill Lind also said “The Okhrana reports increasing indications of “something big” happening between the election and Christmas. That could be the long-planned attack on Iran.”

Posted by: Dick Durata | Nov 30 2006 23:22 utc | 9

Here are my thoughts… (worthless as they may be)
1) The dog-and-pony show with the carrier groups is just that. It doesn’t matter where they are. There are a number of other modes of attack that require minimal support. For instance, a cruise missile may carry multiple warheads, and deploy them each at a different location along it’s flight…and it provides BushCo with some plausible deniability ala “We gave cruise missiles and warheads to Israel…they did it!”
2) PeeDee said “I still think the biggest deterrent is the troops still in Iraq on an 800 mile supply line through Shia territory.” and Austin Cooper said “The people still running the machinery of government in America (such as it is) are out of their minds.” Is it not possible, however horrible it sounds, that the PTB are planning on using the troops in Iraq as the new, new Pearl Harbor? We strike Iran “because we had to.” Iran kills all our guys and gals in Iraq. We use that 100-fold 9/11 moment to forever paint Shia extremism (or all of Islam?) as horribly barbaric and, voila, instant pogrom.
3) Something may happen (or may already have happened or be happening) and we’ll never ever know about it. Hit the right target, and the Iranians might be reluctant to talk about it for fear of revealing something.
4) The whole show is total BS, and the PTB are still too afraid of China’s economic response to do a damn thing.
Any way you slice it, I’m so scared I could soil myself! It’s not healthy living under these conditions.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Nov 30 2006 23:46 utc | 10

The raise in the Euro may have more to do with this than covert plans by the Empire:
Although it is provocative

Posted by: pb | Dec 1 2006 0:06 utc | 11

From Uncle’s the war at home dept
NYT/Reuters: Senator Specter: White House will deny Democrats details on spying, interrogation
W.House Will Defy Democrats on Security: Republican
By REUTERS
Published: November 30, 2006

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Bush administration is unlikely to allow the incoming Democratic majority in Congress to learn details about its domestic spying program and interrogation policy, a Republican senator said on Thursday.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, who has criticized the Bush White House’s secrecy about national security issues, said he would welcome detailed congressional oversight of the National Security Agency’s warrantless eavesdropping.
“It would be ideal,” said Specter, whose committee was blocked by the administration this year from conducting a full review of the program, despite an outcry among some lawmakers that the spying was illegal.
“We have to really get into the details as to what the program is, as to how many people they are tapping, what they’re finding out,” he told an American Bar Association conference on national security.
But he said he had “grave reservations” that Congress would end up getting the information from the administration….

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 1 2006 0:16 utc | 12

Is it not possible, however horrible it sounds, that the PTB are planning on using the troops in Iraq as the new, new Pearl Harbor? We strike Iran “because we had to.” Iran kills all our guys and gals in Iraq. We use that 100-fold 9/11 moment to forever paint Shia extremism (or all of Islam?) as horribly barbaric and, voila, instant pogrom.

And instant dictatorship at home. The laws are already in place to incarcerate opposition for indefinite time. Does anyone have anymore info on those incarceration camps Halliburton was rumored to have got the contract on?
Since the war against Iran can not be “won” except with nukes (and I do not think they are that crazy, but what do I know) the goal (if indeed there is a goal) would have to be domestic. And what to do when the opposition won with more then the machines were rigged for? Coup? But at what is essentially the loss of the american empires fighting machine? And then there is the nuke option…
But no, it seams to crazy. I land on some smidgeon of rationality prevailing and no war against Iran, just a lot of vailing and shaking of fists.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Dec 1 2006 2:06 utc | 13

I can’t believe that the military would let the PTB proceed with anything as foolhardy as an attack on Iran right now with all the other trouble they have on their hands and many other trouble spots brewing on the horizon.
Today I saw this article on military.com (excerpt):
Analyst Predicts U.S. Action in Nigeria
InsideDefense.com NewsStand | Christopher J. Castelli | November 30, 2006
Nigeria, the fifth-largest source of U.S. imported oil, is falling apart and will likely require intervention by the U.S. government and the Navy in particular, according to Michael Vlahos, a national security analyst with Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory.
As it struggles with separatist unrest, Nigeria is a place that we re going to be hearing a lot about in a year, he said Nov. 16 during a colloquium at the university.
The situation in Nigeria is literally coming apart, Vlahos told the audience. It s a country that makes Iraq look simple and doable. As Nigeria falls apart, people in the United States are going to become increasingly aware of its role as a U.S. oil supplier, he said.
And the place is just unspeakable, he said. And how we go in there and what we do there . . . it won t work unless we have special capabilities.
Secret assessments prepared for oil companies have concluded the companies will not be able to operate in Nigeria after about two years because they have screwed things up so bad, he said.
http://tinyurl.com/yx7rdo
Yes, I take it with a grain of salt since the analyst was presenting his conclusions to a very friendly audience. Even so, it is a reminder that there are so many potential conflicts that the U.S. may want to or feel compelled to get involved in that I can’t imagine military leaders wanting to shoot their wad on an attack on Iran.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Dec 1 2006 2:07 utc | 14

You folks know that PTB also stands for the geologic Permian-Triassic Boundary layer, signifying a mass extinction event? And that Iran is one of the places on the planet where that boundary layer can bee seen most clearly?
Just sayin’.

Posted by: Austin Cooper | Dec 1 2006 2:21 utc | 15

On the “Gorilla” thread, Anna missed and perhaps others linked to a post by Badger which is really insightful. I then read the previous post on this blog, which was even more insightful. The most important point:

…But the Egyptian and Saudi examples do point to a 180-degree shift in the Arab-regime attitudes to the Maliki regime, from “pro” to “contra”, and Atwan rhetorically asks for the explanation, which has to fall into one of two categories: Either it is a shift sponsored and supported by the US, or it represents an independent “late awakening” of the Arab regimes to their own self-interest. For Atwan, this part is a no-brainer. For one thing, if the Arab regimes are suddenly supporting Arab resistance movements, how come they aren’t supporting the Hamas? Clearly the shift is US-inspired.
The rest of the argument is easy to follow: The US is well on its way to getting the Arab regimes involved in the internal Iraqi civil war, as a way of laying the groundwork and setting the table for their involvement in the coming war with Iran.
(Atwan doesn’t mention the Azzaman reports about the “Hadley program” and the “Amman alternative”. But if his analysis is correct, then something like the Sunni-coup scenario would be a logical next step. The Arab regimes would become involved up to their necks in the Iraq civil war, and unable to extricate themselves when the US attacks Iran).

If this has already been posted, then I apologize — don’t have time or energy now to check all the way back through the thread. But it did jump out at me as being noteworthy.

Posted by: Bea | Dec 1 2006 2:27 utc | 16

Nightly news: “Department of Homeland Security issues a warning about an al-Qaeda internet threat that is supposed to start taking effect within hours…”
Whatever that may mean…

Posted by: Bea | Dec 1 2006 4:01 utc | 17

Youse guys need to relax a little. No such action on the near horizon.

Posted by: SoandSo | Dec 1 2006 5:42 utc | 18

Check SoandSo. Questions now are how to prevent a regional spillover of the conflict & how to isolate & weaken Iran, now that Idiot’s recently deceased “unilateral pre-emptive war” doctrine has hugely increased it’s power by feeding it the Iraqi carcass.
The Era of US Hegemony that began after WWII is over, as well as brief post-Soviet era of xUS as Sole Global Power whose word was god. Neither Saudi Arabia nor China would allow xUS to attack Iran. Quaking of the dollar last week, coinciding w/inking of oil deal between Iran & China signalled xUS vulnerability & warning of what latter would do to the dollar should they stupidly proceed w/attack.
James Baker won on 2 accounts already – moving strategy as mentioned above from “unilateral pre-emptive war” to “containment” & building coalitions w/consensus among members to develop strategy.
Pls. consider this intelligent op-ed by Joschka Fischer.

Posted by: jj | Dec 1 2006 6:41 utc | 19

I don’t know whether an attack on Iran is imminent. However, considering things strictly from a military perspective, I humbly offer the following observations:
1. Any attack on Iran will primarily be an air campaign, since the US does not have the troops to mount a significant land incursion. The Pentagon is struggling to keep 130 000 troops in Iraq (which, apropos nothing, makes Tom Friedman’s idea that sending an additional 150 000 troops to Iraq is worthy of serious consideration ludicrous, and tells you everything you need to know about the man’s grasp of military affairs). Any ground force the US could muster for such an adventure would simultaneously undermine it’s already crumbling hold on Iraq and be too small to make a significant impression on Iran.
2. The number of carrier task forces in the region is irrelevant because the air campaign will be mounted from land bases in Iraq and probably the former Soviet central Asian republics. One of the lessons of Gulf War I is that land based air operations are FAR more efficient than carrier based ones, and with available land bases there is no need for carrier participation. That participation will still occur of course, because every service will demand participation in this and every other military adventure, since failure to participate gives ammo to rival services who want to pad their budgets at the expense of yours. It will mostly be window dressing however.
3. The B-1 bomber is only really suited to the delivery of nuclear weapons, so it seems highly improbable that it would figure in plans for an attack on Iran. Even if the Bush administration is crazy enough to be contemplating the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Iran -an idea with which it has publicly toyed, and which given its record of serial incompetence cannot unfortunately be ruled out- it is very improbable that the B-1 would considered for such a role. Also, given the aircraft’s great range it’s not apparent why it would be forward deployed at bases in the Middle East. Reports that such a deployment have occured should therefore be taken with a huge grain of salt.
4. With modern avionics and precision guided munitions aircraft can operate at night with an effectiveness approaching that of daytime. The phase of the moon will therefore not be factor in timing an attack.
Remember, you read it here first.

Posted by: Lexington | Dec 1 2006 12:14 utc | 20

@Lexington:

4. With modern avionics and precision guided munitions aircraft can operate at night with an effectiveness approaching that of daytime. The phase of the moon will therefore not be factor in timing an attack.

You’ve missed the point there. Can’t speak to your other points, but attacks are launched on moonless nights not because of the pilots but to make it harder for the targets to see you coming. A bright night means that, if the high-tech stuff fails to detect the incoming planes, you can still use a pair of binoculars to aim.

Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Dec 1 2006 13:01 utc | 21

Just a thought, but Zelikow may have quit because his boss (Rice) has increasingly become marginalized by James Baker.
Also, the Pentagon is undergoing change in management – hence its not an ideal time operationally to prepare a highly complex pre-meditated attack. Nothing bars “self-defence” response attacks though.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Dec 1 2006 13:39 utc | 22

Juan Cole has a great post up this morning, in which he assesses that we now have a new Cold War in the Middle East among the Arab states:

Al-Hayat sees the influence of Arab allies of the US on Bush’s policy as decisive. It says that informed sources in Amman report that the Arab diplomats warned Bush against giving Iran nuclear privileges and against giving Syria “Lebanese” privileges, in return for their help in Iraq. These Arab countries likely include Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait and Egypt. That is, there is a new Middle Eastern Cold War between the pro-Western Arab states (Riyadh-Amman-Cairo-Kuwait City) and the Tehran-Damascus axis. The pro-Western Arabs fear the Iranian nuclear program, and they generally support Saad Hariri, Fouad Seniora, and the 14 March Movement in Lebanon against Hizbullah, which is backed by Syria and Iran.
This Middle Eastern Cold War is pushing Washington, allied with the Arab conservatives, into a contradictory stance in Iraq, having installed a Shiite, pro-Iranian government there but remaining unable to work with this new reality on a geopolitical level. The Middle Eastern Cold War pitting the Saudis and Egyptians against the Iranians and Syrians is reinforced by Washington’s other major ally in the region, Israel, which also wants to contain or roll back Syria and Iran.
As is often the case, despite their rhetoric of seeming enmity, the pro-Western Arab regimes and the Israelis have not so dissimilar geopolitical aims in the region, with the disposition of the Palestine Authority really the only major dispute between them. Iraq is caught in the middle of this new Cold War and seems likely to be the major victim of it.
If Bush gets his way, we could see substantial Shiite on Shiite violence in the coming months, of which it is likely the Sunni Arab guerrilla movement will take advantage.

Posted by: Bea | Dec 1 2006 13:40 utc | 23

Hey, I previewed that last post and it was not all bolded… not sure what happened. Sorry folks.

Posted by: Bea | Dec 1 2006 13:41 utc | 24

There is absolutely no chance of the US going to war with Iran any time soon – there are no carrier battle groups in the Gulf, with the Eisenhower group being in the Arabian Sea running combat air support for operations in Afghanistan; the other 3 deployed carrier groups are all thousands of miles away. This means that the Iranians can almost certainly block the Straits of Hormuz with impunity, take Bahrain should they choose to do so, and generally make a huge mess of the US’s Gulf infrastructure from Kuwait to Oman.
The aviation assets in Iraq are already tasked for combat support for ongoing operations in Anbar province, Salah-ud-Din province, Baghdad and elsewhere in theatre; they cannot run radically different operations simultaneously over Iran, where they will be up against some serious air defence systems and a large airforce, and add fire support for embattled US forces in Iraq. The closest central asian airbases are in Afghanistan ( Kabul ) and Kyrgistan , and the assets there are already fully tasked for support roles over Afghanistan; Kabul is a good 800 miles from the Iranian border, so it’s not exactly close, and the Karzai government has been assiduous in developing good relations with Iran as a necessary counter to Pakistan.
The SEAD, AWACS, and other sophisticated aerial assets required for the coordination of a complex operation are simply not present at the moment – and any attempt to put them in theatre will be noticed, noted and acted upon pre-emptively.
The dollar slide is purely to do with economic fundamentals – the markets are insisting on a rate hike for dollar denominated assets and are playing a forcing game with Bernanke, who seems to want to lower US interest rates at the next Fed meeting; this is more of a Black Wednesday situation. The rises in oil and gold are secondary effects of a falling dollar. If the oil markets thought there was a sniff of a possibility of the US going to war with Iran then there would be a serious spike in forward prices as denominated in all currencies, not just the dollar.
The sudden outbreak of positive Israeli-Palestinian moves is a belated payment for some desperately needed Sunni Arab support for the situation in Iraq; there is simply no analogy to the 1990-91 scenario, and it is a reflection of how much on the back foot US mid-east policy is at present. Extracting any kind of success from these moves will be a slow and tortuous process, that will require a degree of calm in the region – a war with Iran will end all that in a heartbeat. There is nothing unprecedented about the current appearance of US principals in the ME – barring al Maliki telling Bush to fuck off till tomorrow morning. The game is about pre-empting or shaping a response to the ISG recommendations – again, an essentially defensive move.

Posted by: dan | Dec 1 2006 14:24 utc | 25

Oil:
(…) … new oil/gas market exchanges denominated in currencies other than US dollars. (…) Planned oil- and gas-market exchanges are being set up not to bolster the current London and New York exchanges, but to stand separate and distinct from, to compete with, them to rival the US-led order.
The new exchanges are either being originally set up to settle transactions in currencies other than the US dollar, or they are being created with the sophistication and autonomy to enable them to switch from US dollars to virtually any other desired currency (or to multiple currencies) when developments might warrant such a switch.
That fact implies the draining of significant portions of the one global dollar-denominated pool of oil to fill the new pools denominated in other currencies, thereby fragmenting from the current global pool (and from the US-led order itself) significant portions of the global supply to fill the new pools. Such fragmentation will in effect put an end to the current order, which has dominated for barely two decades.
The new Shanghai Petroleum Exchange settles transactions in the Chinese currency, the yuan. Russia’s new St Petersburg exchange, slated to come online next year, will settle transactions in the ruble. According to Russian Economy Minister German Gref, Russian products will be offered on the New York exchange until the St Petersburg exchange is operational, at which time Russian products will be shifted out of the New York exchange to the Russian exchange.
Qatar’s new Energy City concept with its integrated IMEX (International Mercantile Exchange), which India has recently joined with the planned creation of a satellite Energy City/IMEX complex in Mumbai, will apparently settle transactions initially in the US dollar, with the capability to switch to other currencies.
asia times
The US won’t attack Iran, breaking my promise to shut up about it, heh. Another reason not mentioned above is that Iran would block the Straits and thereby crash the world economy, Japan going down first.

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 1 2006 17:48 utc | 26

noirette
on iran i’m quite schizophrenic – i instinctively think no empire, no matter how stupid – would dare to prosecute such an exercise – that the failure – even in the beginning would be self evident. that there is nothing to be gained in real terms (outside of propoganda)even for the most wacky of theior strategic thinkers
then you hear a friedman speak & write & you think well he speaks for their elites & it becomes imaginable that they are completely capable of such idiocy – that the generalised war – the long war – is attractive to those – whose policies both in foreign ‘relation’ & on the home front – have been as jimmy carter ( a man who knows a disaster or two)- have been the most catastrophic of all administrations
so some days i await the bombs that will fall on targets in iran & the movement of divisions of the iranian revolutionary guard into iraq – & on other days i see just another bellicose belch from a stinking corpse that imagines itself, human

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 1 2006 18:11 utc | 27

God I love your writing prose remembereringgiap, such passion and clear conveying of thoughts. Thank-you brother.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 1 2006 18:35 utc | 28

thank you uncle – but without your researching skills – i would be without half my clothes – these links you & others provide – are the real meat – especially in times of crises
contrary to the thesis of citizen k – the mountain of research that you, b & others do – even providing worse case scenarios, or sometimes oblique paths, some speculative scholarship, some mediating of the here & now – they fundamentally balance the effect/affect of the horror & make action that much more possible
the access to the information – whatever its basis – after all we are filters ourselves – is of paramount importance
iran being a case in point – i think we have covered the waterfront here at moon from one position & another & it is as the writer f scott fitgerald sd – a sign of a healthy mind to hold contending views in our heads simultaneously

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 1 2006 19:39 utc | 29

RG,
it is as the writer f scott fitgerald sd – a sign of a healthy mind to hold contending views in our heads simultaneously
I think I have come across this saying or something like it but never realized it came from Fitzgerald.
I have only read “The Great Gatsby” and liked it even though I did not glean too much below the surface level. I will definitely check it out again. I always saw him as an enigma – wild-man yet so thoughtful. I also liked Camus – Stranger & also Sisyphus. A little depressing though.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Dec 1 2006 20:31 utc | 30

@The Truth Gets Vicious:
You’ve missed the point there. Can’t speak to your other points, but attacks are launched on moonless nights not because of the pilots but to make it harder for the targets to see you coming. A bright night means that, if the high-tech stuff fails to detect the incoming planes, you can still use a pair of binoculars to aim.
Truth what you are describing here isn’t feasible. There isn’t enough ambient light even on a full moon to spot low flying aircraft with binoculars, never mind the high flying ones, and even if there was the planes are moving so fast at low altitude the most you can hope for is a fleeting glance, making it impossible to direct accurate AA fire. In fact, if you need binoculars to see the target it isn’t close enough to hit with light AA guns anyway.
If you recall the footage of the night bombing of Baghdad in Gulf War I you no doubt noticed that Iraqi gunners made no attempt to direct their fire. They simply fired blindly on fixed axises on the theory (used to some effect during the bombing of North Vietnam) that if you put up enough steel you’re bound to hit something.
@dan:
The aviation assets in Iraq are already tasked for combat support for ongoing operations in Anbar province, Salah-ud-Din province, Baghdad and elsewhere in theatre; they cannot run radically different operations simultaneously over Iran, where they will be up against some serious air defence systems and a large airforce, and add fire support for embattled US forces in Iraq.
The Iranian air force and air defence system in 2006 is unlikely to prove any more effective than the Iraqi one was in 1991. If anything less so because Iraq prior to 1991, unlike Iran today, was free to import large quantities of weapons and equipment from foreign suppliers.
Now as for air force tasking the USAF surely has enough tactical aircraft to support both an attack on Iran and the counterinsurgency campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, even without taking naval aviation into consideration. There might not be enough infrastructure in the region to support all those planes, but in a worst case scenario some of the counterinsurgency sorties will have to be cancelled for the few days that the air campaign against Iran is likely to last. So for those few days the army ratches down its patrol schedule, thus minimizing the probability of contact with the enemy and therefore the need to call in air support.
I don’t really think its going to come to that however. I don’t believe there are enough quality targets in either Iraq or Afghanistan to tie down even a fraction of the airpower deployed there, given the nature of the insurgency. Certainly the regularity with which American pilots in Afghanistan have bombed their Canadian allies points to pilots who are so disengaged and bored that they’ve adopted a “bomb anything that moves” attitude.
If I was conspiracy minded I might find some significance in the fact that Pentagon is reportedly contemplating abandoning Anbar.

Posted by: Lexington | Dec 1 2006 21:12 utc | 31

awesome link noirette #26. keep breaking those promises.
r’giap, you are soo good

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 1 2006 22:03 utc | 32

that was me

Posted by: annie | Dec 1 2006 22:03 utc | 33

Al-Sadr bloc talks of alliance with Sunnis, Christians

(CNN) — One day after suspending participation in Iraq’s government, the bloc loyal to anti-U.S. Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr announced a possible new political alliance with Sunnis and Christians.
Calling the group a “national front,” the head of al-Sadr’s bloc in Parliament — Falah Hassan Shanshel — said the groups would target the U.N. Security Council’s decision to extend the mandate of the 160,000 multinational force in Iraq for another year.
The formation of such an alliance has been in the works for at least two months, said Saleh al-Mutlag, a prominent Sunni politician and vocal critic of al-Maliki.
He called the alliance a nonsectarian, national patriotic front, drawing from different areas of the country and also including secularists, Kurds, Yazidis, Turkmens and clerics.

Members of the alliance are working with insurgents to get them to lay down their arms, al-Mutlag said. He emphasized that a withdrawal table for U.S. troops would convince insurgents Americans won’t stay.
The United States should be talking to members of this grass-roots movement about solving Iraq’s problems, al-Mutlag added, saying he believes the government is the cause of the country’s problems now.
The al-Sadr bloc’s 30 Parliament members and six Cabinet ministers on Wednesday carried out their threat to boycott the government to protest President Bush’s meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Jordan. (Details)
Members of the country’s largest Sunni bloc — the Iraq Accord Front — as well as Christian and independent lawmakers contacted the al-Sadr movement after its boycott to announce their solidarity,
Al-Sadr’s group said it will resume government participation when al-Maliki comes up with a timetable for U.S. troop withdrawal. It also wants better security and improvements in infrastructure.

It was the issue of federalism that put SCIRI and al-Sadr’s people on opposite sides of the camp, with al-Sadr supporters siding with Sunnis in support of a united Iraq, and SCIRI members wanting a Shiite autonomous zone — similar to the Kurds’.

Posted by: annie | Dec 2 2006 8:13 utc | 34

signs of unity against the occupation

“They are telling the ordinary people that if the American forces withdraw from Iraq, this will provoke more violence. We say, since the minute they stepped on this ground, chaos and instability have spread throughout the country. We reiterate that the departure of the occupying forces will restore stability, security and the brotherhood of the Iraqi people” –Saleh Hassan al-Agili
Mr. al-Agili is not a member of the Sunni-led resistance to the U.S. occupation, but one of 30 members of the political party of Muqtada al-Sadr in the Iraqi parliament. This group of legislators includes six cabinet members, and holds critical power in the government of Prime Minister al-Maliki. They asserted their power this week by demanding that he cancel a planned meeting with U.S. President George Bush in Jordan. When al-Maliki attended an abbreviated meeting with Bush, all the Sadrists and two Sunni cabinet members suspended their participation in the government, demanding a firm timetable for the withdrawal of occupation forces.
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Muqtada al-Sadr is reaching out to the Sunni population, in particular to Hareth al-Dhari, the chairman of the Association of Muslim Scholars, for whom the Interior Ministry has issued an arrest warrant. Sadr has proposed some steps that Iraqis can take to repair the bad blood the occupation has fostered between Sunnis and Shiites, with a reduction in violence between Iraqis as the short-term goal and the end of U.S. occupation as their common interest.
To al-Dhari he proclaimed, “Why has the devil made his way between us? This will serve only the colonizers and will harm the hawza (clerical authority). Here is my hand — I put it forward in reconciliation. Will there be a hand reaching out for mine?”
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Al-Sadr has worked intelligently as power has shifted away from the Americans and their shrinking clientele in the Green Zone, and it is a very hopeful sign that he now feels sufficiently empowered to reach out to al-Dhari and the Sunnis. Both al-Sadr and the Sunni Resistance have slowly gained power, legitimacy and de facto control of territory, in spite of the debilitating effect of attacks against civilians by all sides. Although these barbarous actions get most of the press, the Resistance has increased its attacks against U.S. and auxiliary forces to an incredible level of 110-120 attacks per day in recent months, compared with about 20 daily attacks reported against civilians.
The balance of power in Iraq has now evolved to the point that a successful combination between al-Sadr’s supporters and the Sunni population would represent an insurmountable challenge to the U.S. occupation. If al-Sadr succeeds in his overtures to the Sunnis while continuing to expand his influence over Prime Minister al-Maliki or a successor, the outcome could be as simple as a request from the Iraqi government for a withdrawal of U.S. forces, followed by a graceful exit. It is more likely that al-Sadr will have to defend his position against some sort of American coup (Regime Change V or VI), and the U.S. would presumably want to move against him before his challenge is fully formed. Once he has demonstrated an ability to bring Shiites and Sunnis together in opposition to the occupation, it will be over and he will have won.
We are not there yet, but these are the first truly hopeful signs to emerge from Iraq since the U.S. invasion. If al-Sadr succeeds, and Iraq is able to free itself from occupation, it will have undergone one of the most rapid colonial experiences of any country in history, progressing from Western colonization to independence, with all the diverse elements of colonialism compressed into just four or five years: Western looting, investment and privatization; division and forced migration on ethnic and sectarian lines; a succession of four or five puppet governments; construction of foreign military bases; widespread and successful armed resistance; emigration of the professional class; corruption, capital flight and Swiss bank accounts; internment, arbitrary justice, torture and humiliation; and tragic, violent, horrific loss of life.

Posted by: annie | Dec 2 2006 8:44 utc | 35

Lexington:
Unlike the Iraqi airforce in 1991, the Iranian airforce is not going to fly off to a third country to avoid a fight; and unlike the Iraqis, the Iranians have actually had a long time to think about their strategies, observe their opponent in close-up, have shown themselves to be tactically innovative, would face a US military that is already stretched to the limits in its current posture and has traded its strengths at manouever warfare for deeply dug-in static positions with a vulnerable logistics chain, and has substantial stand-off and force-projection options that Iraq lacked. The US military is in a very weak position in Iraq, and if the Iranians want to give them a hiding, inflicting hundreds of casualties per day over an extended period, they can probably do so.
The Iranian air defences are WAY more up-to-date than Iraq’s were, and whilst the US hasn’t done business with Iran for two decades, the Chinese and Russians are selling kit to them like candy. There are persistent reports of Iranian purchases of up-to-date Russian aircraft in the wake of their large 1991 purchases, so whilst the USAF would eventually degrade their position, it would take a huge committment of assets to the task – far, far more than are currently in theatre – think of a Desert Storm level of committment but multiply by a factor of 10, but without the diplomatic and political landscape that gives crucial basing and airspace rights. The USAF absolutely lacks the presence in theatre to even think about starting anything at present.
What the US will have to contend with is a very, very large number of medium and longer range mobile missile systems and battlefield artillery systems pinging static US targets in Iraq and the Gulf region, with the added bonus of some air power and air defence cover ( unlike Hizbullah for example ) to make life difficult for the USAF; there will be the additional problem of trying to keep the Straits of Hormuz open. The US can start a war – but they don’t get the luxury of defining when its over, so the few days of not running counter-insurgency support becomes moot; the Iranians have the advantage – their forces are uncommitted, sizable, reasonably well-trained and not tied down, which gives them options to take initiatives exploiting the over-extended position of the US military in theatre. Remember, the US public cannot tolerate large casualty numbers, the diplomatic landscape is totally at odds with the idea of the US going to war, and the Bush administration is in a politically weak position.

Posted by: dan | Dec 2 2006 12:54 utc | 36

“Remember, the US public cannot tolerate large casualty numbers,”
Would that this expression of American values had some stronger effect on American foreign policy.

Posted by: sm | Dec 2 2006 15:57 utc | 37

@dan:
I’m afraid I don’t share your saguine view of Iran’s prospects.
You can find a summary of Iranian AF inventory here. What on this list would lead you to believe that Iran isn’t going see its AF get shot out of the sky?
The only vaguely modern air superiority fighters on the list are the 25 MIG-29s. The rest is mixed bag of designs ultimately dating from the 1950s (F-5, F-7), 1960s (F-4, MIG-23), and 1970s (F-14, F.1, the last being ex-Iraqi). It’s true that the F-14 is still the USN’s premiere fleet air defence interceptor, but the Iranian examples are early variants dating from the 1970s with comparatively primative avionics that moreover have horrible serviceability because Iran has had no access to spare parts (other than the black market) for almost three decades. Similarly, the fact the Iranians are still trying to keep their decrepit F-4s flying -with even less success than their F-14s- years after they were retired by other AFs is clearly a sign of desperation. It is significant that in spite of having no domestic military aviation industry Iran has taken the radical step of designing and producing its own fighter, the Azarakhsh (which basically seems to be a reverse engineered F-5), though they have not yet appeared in significant numbers. This seems to me to be a clear sign of Iranian frustration at being largely shut out of the global arms market, including having a planned purchase of Russian SU-27s interminably delayed because of American pressure.
It’s true that the Iranians have tried to upgrade their aircraft and some are in a sense “younger” than they appear. The Chinese F-7 for example is obviously derived from the Soviet MIG-21, hence basically a design dating from the 1950s, but has been considerably improved by the Chinese. It still isn’t a match for any American fighter currently flying even on a good day, however.
In short, Iran has an air force struggling to hang on to 2nd rate status and it would be going up against the best air force in the world. The smart money says the Iranians are going to be in a world of pain.
The American advantage doesn’t stop at better aircraft either. History has repeatedly shown that good pilots in good planes can inflict highly assymetrical losses on mediocre pilots in mediocre planes, even when outnumbered by a factor of 2, 3, 4 or even more to 1, and it’s doubtful any country in the world outspends the US on pilot training one for one (though some are probably close or about even). We don’t really know how good the Iranian pilots are (though those F-4s and F-14s can’t be logging a lot of training hours) but we do know they don’t have access to the same quality of facilities and that for the most part their planes aren’t even in the same league.
Finally, we need to consider the force multiplier effect of American dominance of the electromagnetic spectrum and C3I (command, control, communications and intelligence). If an attack on Iran does occur probably the first indication the Iranians will get, even before the bombs start falling, is when electronic jamming blinds their radars (many of which will subsequently be destroyed by ARMs) and their communications network suffers almost complete collapse (except for secure old fashioned technology like land lines). Basically, the Iranians won’t know what hit them until it’s all over.
I think a comparison to Iraq in 1991 is useful. Although you seem to denigrate Iraq’s capabilities, in 1991 it had just fought Iran, a country more than two and half times its size by population, to a standstill after an extremely bloody 10 year war. The Iraqis were “battle hardened”, had loads of operational experience, and had a large, well equipped armed forces. In spite of this the Iraqi air force and air defence system was completely overwhelmed by coalition forces, and the land war turned out to be a one hundred hour rout. The coalition flew over 115 000 sorties and lost only 75 aircraft, for a sortie:loss ratio of about 1533:1. In short, the Iraqis tried to beat the United States at its own game and failed miserably. Coincidentally, in so doing they spawned all manner of neocon fantisies about American military invincibility. To their credit the Iraqis learned from their mistakes and adapted to match their strengths to American weakenesses, a change that has brought the American military to the cusp of a humiliating defeat. But the Iraqi experience in this case has little relevance to the predicament in which Iran finds itself.
For what its worth I don’t think even a “successful” air campaign against Iran -and for the reasons I have outlined here I have every reason to believe it will be successful by conventional measures- is really going to change anything in the long term. As you clearly appreciate the Iranians have shown themselves to be resourceful and tenacious, and an air attack is at best only going to be impose a temporary delay on Iran’s nuclear program. Indeed, to the extent that an air attack further erodes the Bush administration’s international standing, which is already pretty damn close to rock bottom, it could fatally undermine American efforts to maintain Iran’s isolation, which means it would actually end up contributing to exactly the result the Bushites are seeking to avoid.

Posted by: Lexington | Dec 3 2006 5:13 utc | 38

Lexington:
If you look at the link you provided you’ll note that Global Security assumes that Iran has acquired virtually no military aircraft since 1990 – and some of the items that they place as coming into the inventory after that date were actually Iraqi planes that they acquired in the mass airforce defection of 1991. I’m somewhat dubious about this, and there are persistent rumours of up-to-date Russian aircraft acquisitions. Whether they can prevent nuclear sites from being targetted is one thing, whether they can retaliate and share the pain is another; I rather suspect that they can, and it is the acknowledgement of immediate and difficult consequences by the US military that is the central restraining factor.
Whilst I don’t doubt that the USAF is superior in the quantity and quality of its air force, the comparison with the Gulf War is instructive as it reflects the disadvantages that the US would have to work with – no coalition, no moral authority, no positive political and diplomatic landscape, and no insulation for regional allies from legitimate retaliatory action, with key allies such as Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait and the UAE having to make fatal compromises regarding neutrality and its exigencies – predictably, none of these countries is remotely supportive of war. There’s also the small matter of the well-trained, well-equipped and battle-hardened Iraqi forces really not being willing to fight in 1991; I doubt that the Iranians will demonstrate the same lack of willpower.
Again, unlike Iraq, Iran has a plethora of options that it can invoke due to the disadvantageous disposition of US forces combined with its natural strategic advantages – the US has to work a lot harder to replicate the 1991 experience, and it has to do it with significant limitations as far as basing and airspace issues are concerned, little to no third-party contributions, x-factor political and economic risks and an eye to pre-existing negative military positions that are eminently exploitable. Iran also has numerous tactical advantages insofar as they have credible intelligence/forward observer penetration throughout the region, significant static US positions to target with their mobile missile systems, and the option to take the 15-20 minute flight to Baghdad or Balad – the US can start off attacking Iran’s nuclear sites, but they might very quickly find themselves in the position of having to reallocate their resources to defensive measures to protect shipping in the gulf, mobile missile hunting, facilites protection and supply-line protection if the Iranians adopt a “dynamic” approach.
Personally, I’ve always thought that the US going to war with Iran was unlikely – and the trajectory of the past 4 years has rendered whatever advantages the US military had more or less redundant.

Posted by: dan | Dec 3 2006 16:36 utc | 39

I really don’t think they’d do something with any potential to disrupt the economy during December before Xmas.

Posted by: Loveandlight | Dec 13 2006 4:09 utc | 40