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September 19, 2006
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Analysis of the U.S.-Iran crisis(pdf) Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 19 2006 5:29 utc | 1 A Hedge Fund’s Loss Rattles Nerves
Uncle $cam, does the idea of “an oil hegemony” make any sense, other than the sense, say of a griffon or a unicorn? Posted by: alabama | Sep 19 2006 7:08 utc | 3 Personally, I prefer the term (oil)”protectorate” as opposed to (oil) hegemon — in that a more well rounded psychological dimension is implied. In my neck of the woods a local contractor has a big sign on his fence that reads “Support Our Troops Protecting The World”. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 19 2006 8:15 utc | 6 Henry Kissinger, once said: “Oil is too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs.” Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 19 2006 8:27 utc | 7 I recall Kissinger also said something similar about Chile & Allende. Posted by: jj | Sep 19 2006 8:33 utc | 8 Uncle, thanks for that Outstanding discussion of geopolitics of Iran. Posted by: jj | Sep 19 2006 8:37 utc | 9 Nonetheless, Scams link spells out comprehensively the stageset for the impending war on Iran, the logic of which parallels the war on Iraq. What Tim O’Donnell brings to the table thats new, is the issue of time, that demand on production from both Iraq and Iran may supersede the “protectorate”. And time is running out. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 19 2006 9:06 utc | 10 anna missed, it’s a well-thought out paper. Prof. Tom O’Donnell misses out Iran’s military capability when he focuses on its small economic ability to respond to a US economic attack. Posted by: jonku | Sep 19 2006 9:48 utc | 11 Interesting… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 19 2006 9:50 utc | 12 I am having a little trouble following O’Donnell’s belief that lack of foreign investment is causing so much trouble for Iran. If Iran is now producing 4 million barrels of oil per day and they can sell it for 60 dollars a barrel, I see some 240 million dollars a day in revenue which translates into over 87 billion per year. Surely they can find a couple hundred million to buy new pipes with that kind of money. Why would they need to get it from the US or anywhere else for that matter? Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 19 2006 9:55 utc | 13 James Kunstler….blog entry Sept 18.06
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 19 2006 10:13 utc | 14
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 19 2006 10:20 utc | 15 H.R. 4752: Universal National Service Act of 2006 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 19 2006 12:20 utc | 16 Tony Judt’s beautiful and acute essay on the state of American liberalism is well-worth reading. One wonders if “liberal” is destined to become yet another of those words, like “freedom” and “democracy”, that have been hopelessly debased by the epigonoi of such noble traditions. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 19 2006 13:49 utc | 17 9/11 redux Posted by: gmac | Sep 19 2006 13:50 utc | 18 The planes hit the buildings, they caught on fire and fell down. Posted by: mistah charley | Sep 19 2006 14:14 utc | 19 Popetastic, (or should that be OpusDeitastic?):
As I thought, it’s all about trying to keep Turkey from joining the EU. Posted by: Dismal Science | Sep 19 2006 14:43 utc | 20 Constantinopel is the gateway of the mores , Europe will never open that gate . ever. Posted by: hemaworstje | Sep 19 2006 15:40 utc | 22 From Uncle’s link:
This from globalresearch.ca on this idea to bring back the draft:
Bring back the draft to stop the wars? I am not sure about that. The elite’s 18 to 42 year old offshoots would surely find a placement at the home front, eg Volunteer Police Service and so on. Posted by: Feelgood | Sep 19 2006 16:22 utc | 23 worstje, Posted by: Guthman Bey | Sep 19 2006 16:28 utc | 24 So some folks kicked the neolib-populist telecomunication billionair Thai Prime Minster Thaksin out of office. Has anybody some insight into Thai politics? Retired Col. Sam Gardiner back in the news . . . Posted by: manonfyre | Sep 19 2006 17:50 utc | 26 Uncle $ – isn’t it traditional for a “reinstate-the-draft” bill to be introduced every year in the US by some right-wing nut job? Posted by: Dismal Science | Sep 19 2006 17:56 utc | 27 Dismal Science, I don’t know about “right-wing nut jobs)”, but the “liberal” wing does so – Conyers, Dingell, someone like that – under the notion that they wouldn’t be so quick to pull the trigger in the Oil Wars if their children had to go fight. Posted by: jj | Sep 19 2006 18:22 utc | 28 It’s also important to note that the neocons are opposed to the idea of a draft in strategic terms. The Rumsfeld military ideal is small, highly trained, and speedy. Get in, kick ass, get out. The reality in our current wars is quite different (getting out appears strangely difficult), of course, but these guys have put theory ahead of reality for 6 years now, and show no signs of slowing down. Posted by: Rowan | Sep 19 2006 19:10 utc | 29 re: Thailand. Looks like it is the King’s Men who done it. Other than that all I know first-hand about Thai politics is that the army runs many of the brothels. Meanwhile one pimp is out eh? Posted by: Guthman Bey | Sep 19 2006 19:24 utc | 30 Well well well it seems Vlad the retailer is adopting some of the philosophy of his namesake Vladimir Illyich. It would be wrong to describe the old soviet form of state capitalism as socialism, so I don’t suppose it would be fair to call Putin a socialist but according to today’s Guardian, Russia is putting the weights on the foreign oil companies to get her energy resources back into state hands.
Reading the last line about ExxonMobil probably being next in the gun really says something about the seismic shift in world geo-politics that has occurred since 2003. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 19 2006 20:31 utc | 31 Who are the Prisoners at Gitmo?
And I ask again, how do we know American citizens are not being hidden in one of these martyr labs? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 19 2006 20:43 utc | 32 Debs, Posted by: Guthman Bey | Sep 19 2006 21:02 utc | 33 Oh c’mon Guthman are you another one who is going to deliberately mis-read what I write. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 19 2006 21:26 utc | 34 But Debs what non-male dominated, multicultural countries are there? As a matter of fact in the global multiculti sweepstakes, the US is faring extremely well. It’s just that somehow its imperialism doesn’t seem affected by it one bit. And, who knows, maybe tomorrow multiculturalism will become the new justification for US exceptionalism too. Posted by: Guthman Bey | Sep 19 2006 21:37 utc | 35 Now
(emphasis added)
Has that sort of attitude has brought the machinery of the facist state to bear upon her?
Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 19 2006 21:46 utc | 36 See Debs, I happen to agree with Putin and gee so does Gorbachev who is now outing himself as a Girlyman:
Posted by: Guthman Bey | Sep 19 2006 22:08 utc | 37 uncle, Posted by: Juannie | Sep 20 2006 0:20 utc | 38 Sorry I don’t have a link – heard it on NPR on the way home. But there’s finally a revolt against Wall St. underway…nope not by the left which has its head so far up its ass it can’t even recognize the enemy. It’s at the LA Times, which was taken over by right-wing Chicago Tribune Co. Those bastards suck 30% profit out of their papers. LA Times only generates 20%. They’re demanding they increase their profits by 7%/yr. which will necessitate huge cuts. Publisher & Editor are refusing to make the cuts. Three local Billionaires have offered to buy it – David Geffen, Eli Broad (developer) & someone else. Will people elsewhere rise up demanding slashing profits & increasing jobs & prosperity? Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2006 1:54 utc | 39 Thai politics 101: Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 2:51 utc | 40 Just in: all four division of the Thai military are loyal to the King. TV and Radio are being restored. Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 3:05 utc | 41 Also, Taksin’s AIS was one of the few companies to have survived the Asian financial crisis due to the lucky purchase of a large number of forward contracts in the months before. At that time, Taksin had financial connections with the #2 guy in the Thai government. Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 3:20 utc | 42 It now looks like troop movements were evident as early as Monday – it is unclear under whose orders they were doing so. Consequently, as early as Monday there were already widespread rumors that there would be military action. Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 3:23 utc | 43 According to Prof. of Thai History on NPR today what “n” above calls fiscally irresponsible polices are providing medical care for the rural poor @rate they can afford ($.75/visit). Terrible idea… Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2006 3:30 utc | 44 According to Prof. of Thai History on NPR today what “n” above calls fiscally irresponsible polices are providing medical care for the rural poor @rate they can afford ($.75/visit). Terrible idea… Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 3:38 utc | 45 err… That should read something like: Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 3:41 utc | 46 I also hear that under the 75c/visit program Taksin forced the public hospitals to purchase drugs from his friend’s pharma company. The public hospital is destroyed under the weight of its own debt – and as I said above – doctors who formerly worked for the public benefit are driven to the private hospitals – owned by the PM. Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 3:46 utc | 47 @n, #45: How is that sustainable? How is that good for a country riddled with debt? How can hospitals support the number of patients they create? Well, there are two parts to the answer. The first part is: charge the rich more and the poor less. You won’t get money out of poor people anyway. The second part is: who says services have to pay for themselves? It doesn’t help the economy to let people get sick. Making sure people have access to medical care — including regular checkups and dentistry — has enough positive feedback on the tax base that it makes sense to subsidize the whole thing. This idea that everything must pay for itself or go is madness. Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Sep 20 2006 3:50 utc | 48 Well, not suprisingly NPR omitted that part of it – but they did say he was suspected of being a bit corrupt, mostly having to do w/his sale of his co. for ~$1B tax-exempt. No elaboration. First time I’ve listened to NPR in ages, guess it’s not something to do on a regular basis, from what you say… Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2006 3:51 utc | 49 Anybody seeing any patternshere? Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 20 2006 3:57 utc | 50 I have … other sources … Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 4:01 utc | 51 Don’t call me a fool – presumably it’s subsidized. At our largest medical system, patients pay $5/visit period, or it was that a few yrs. ago. In Canada I don’t know if people pay anything per visit. Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2006 4:13 utc | 52 The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It – Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 20 2006 4:15 utc | 53 jj – now, I don’t know where you live – but I am guessing you understand that Canada’s model doesn’t translate very well to a third world country, right? Hell, single-payer is a matter of debate here in Canada. Now consider that the average Thai income is taxed at the ~10% marginal income tax rate. Furthermore, property taxes are next to nil. How does the system survive? Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 4:21 utc | 54 Appearently there is a curfew now… people are forbidden to travel in groups larger than 5. Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 4:23 utc | 55 New rumors: Taksin may set up shadow government based in Singapore. Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 4:50 utc | 56 It would be of interest to have an update and augmentation of the facts presented in this survey of recent CIA agents in congress from John Young’s Cryptome. Porter Goss, of course, went on to bigger things, before “dropping the ball” and being summarily fired in a way that, to my knowledge, has still not been adequately explained. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 20 2006 5:38 utc | 57 I’ve been watching Thaksin for the past four years that I’ve lived in Thailand and the difference between his regime and the one we have in the US seems basically a question of the evolutionary states of the two democracies. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Sep 20 2006 5:42 utc | 58 I would say the fact that one can live without money is the work of the King’s policy to support agriculture. Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 12:47 utc | 60 two from today’s znet Posted by: b real | Sep 20 2006 14:57 utc | 62 One of Rice’s most senior aides, counselor Philip D. Zelikow, last Friday made a speech to a Washington think tank in which he appeared to link progress on Middle East peace to securing greater diplomatic cooperation in the struggle against Iran. Posted by: alabama | Sep 20 2006 15:08 utc | 63 n: Posted by: John Francis Lee | Sep 20 2006 15:29 utc | 64 John Francis Lee – ah I must have been bit a tired when I read that.. Posted by: n | Sep 20 2006 15:52 utc | 65 Interesting Harpers interview with the CIA’s Director of the Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program:
Well worth your time … Why nuke Teheran, real man go to Kairo:
Where to post something that fits on every thread… Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2006 18:04 utc | 68
This catches about all what I think of Dafur and other conflicts like it:
@b #67 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 20 2006 18:54 utc | 71 chavez’s address to the un
marcos breaks his silence on mexican election outcome
chavez recently spoke out on the election fraud in mexico, as well
Posted by: b real | Sep 20 2006 19:06 utc | 72 Must be National CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP DAY… Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2006 19:07 utc | 73
more at the link… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 20 2006 20:26 utc | 74 As jj has pointed to on several links…Canada getting closer to Uncle Sam Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 20 2006 22:14 utc | 75 i have been overwhelmed with work and have not had time to even read posts over the last couple of days, but this just came in my email and thought i would share a story of civil disobedience at the u.n. for those here who have been calling for it. hopefully, they will be quoted fully and widely and will inspire the silent to speak out.
Posted by: conchita | Sep 20 2006 23:20 utc | 76 ABC news had the video clips of Chaves’ speech, I was so hoping they would, What a hoot, poor dismayed Martha Raddatz, says there was no response from other members, either in support or outrage, What a hoot, I wonder if they’re going through coniptions about whether to bring on Chomsky…who would interview or debate him? On network TV? Oh my God!! Hegemony or Survival? Ha Ha what a hoot! Posted by: anna missed | Sep 21 2006 1:08 utc | 77 anna missed Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 21 2006 1:15 utc | 78 Conchita – I heard a really good little segment about the UN protests yesterday on Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now show this morning, but not a peep elsewhere. Sad. Posted by: Maxcrat | Sep 21 2006 1:19 utc | 79 for those wishing to hear the entirety of Chavez’s speech, it wil be posted here shortly. It can be a bit difficult to understand as they broadcast the Spanish too loudly to hear the English easily in later parts. He got a standing ovation at the end, in opposition to UN policy. Posted by: jj | Sep 21 2006 1:53 utc | 80 Oops, didn’t go all the way upthread til after i posted – still better to listen to speech… Posted by: jj | Sep 21 2006 2:14 utc | 81 Conchita, Posted by: Rick Happ | Sep 21 2006 2:52 utc | 82 Perhaps the coup in Thailand can be explained by the story of a single citizen: Jaruvan Maintaka
ah, rick. i have just received an enormously important education. thank you very much jony b cool for challenging my thought process, to bernhard for posting the guardian article, and to b real whose keith harmon snow link is indispensable. i just spent an hour listening to a kpfa stream of a panel including Dr. Helan Page (UMass), keith harmon snow, Dimitri Oram, Dr. Elliot Fratkin (Smith College), and Sara Flounders (IAC) discussing the history and geography of sudan and darfur, the root of the conflict, the media circus surrounding it, and how it is all tied into international business. it was a much needed reminder to read and think analytically and to take the time to look beneath the surface. Posted by: conchita | Sep 21 2006 3:17 utc | 84 Wayne Madsen has an interesting post. Wonder if this came from his non-legal mind, or if this is being discussed by Military? The problem is what to do if Nov. Elections are Diebolded. Posted by: jj | Sep 21 2006 3:54 utc | 85 |
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