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September 6, 2006
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US puppet Pakistan signs peace deal with al Qaeda, guarantees Bin Laden’s safety and channels US aid to al Qaeda and the Taliban, all with the knowledge and tacit approval of George Bush.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 6 2006 8:11 utc | 2 Why Cynthia McKinney had to lose… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 6 2006 8:20 utc | 3 Columbia Journalism Review: Failures of Imagination @Coleman – as of now, alltogether some 14 donations through paypal and by check amounting to some 40% of the total fruit cake support. Jerome wrote Posted by: Argh | Sep 6 2006 15:46 utc | 7 diversion bomb Posted by: beq | Sep 6 2006 18:19 utc | 8 George Carlin talking about Who really controls America Posted by: gmac | Sep 6 2006 18:32 utc | 9 Argh, best thing to do is send an email to Bernhard and see what can be worked out. Thanks for your help with this. It certainly makes me feel better about the world to see how many people have wanted to make a difference as a community. Posted by: conchita | Sep 6 2006 18:39 utc | 10 froomkin: On Quoting bin Laden
BUSH DIGS UP MOLDY OLD MANUAL OF AFGHAN JIHAD: Tries to make it a reason for why we fight
Posted by: b real | Sep 6 2006 18:58 utc | 12 @bkieft Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 6 2006 20:41 utc | 13 Here’s a link to another car that runs on water scam. Posted by: gmac | Sep 6 2006 21:34 utc | 14 @U$: Posted by: Malooga | Sep 6 2006 22:08 utc | 15 @Malooga, I would think that many here know my patterns by now, (*winks* at paid gov contractors), in that I do not believe everything that I post , I’m more concerned with the data, not the messenger. However, the ‘peak oil scam’ resonates with me at this time. Further, I do not hold to your ideal that of not trusting people whom can’t write coherently because they are unable to think coherently, that is not always the case. Again, some are foxes some are hedgehogs some are “other”. I would add more, but I am running late as it is, ‘for a very important date’…lol Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 6 2006 23:08 utc | 16 Bernhard, could I have an e-mail address? Posted by: Argh | Sep 6 2006 23:40 utc | 17 Go to the “About this site” page for email info. Posted by: Malooga | Sep 7 2006 1:03 utc | 18 Rove withheld crucial CIA leak email for nearly a year Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 7 2006 5:25 utc | 19 “Frog marches” are reserved for little folk like you an’ me, Unca. Rove ain’t little in any sense you want to use the word. Are you still thinking that there’s justice to be had…? Rove will pull a Kennyboy Lay and “die” before he ever sets foot in a detention cell. Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 7 2006 5:36 utc | 20 Sibel Edmonds and William Weaver demolish Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton’s new book By the way, I think that Hamilton must be in the running elevation to the CIA Hall of Fame: he is certainly a triple crown cover-up champion: October Surprise, Iran-Contra, and 9/11 in each of which he found nothing to shake his faith that defending the essential goodness of his cohorts in the governing class trumps the public’s right to know. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 7 2006 5:36 utc | 21 The Islamic Emirate of Waziristan and Greater Talibanistan Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 7 2006 7:12 utc | 22 Such a charming Israeli Prof.. No? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 7 2006 9:42 utc | 23 Does anyone else have the feeling that now that “everybody” wants to go to Tehran, “real men” want to go to Islamabad? Although even true believers in the U.S. are starting to have doubts about the glorious struggle to bring freedom to Iraq as a way to better America’s position in the world, from a Jabotinskian point of view the increasingly likely partition of Iraq into 3 antagonistic mini-states represents a complete success. An encore in Iran (with Khuzestan, Baluchistan and Iranian Kurdistan as possible secessionist provinces) must exert great attraction on the architects of the Iraqi disintegration, even if Saddam’s failed attempt to detach Khuzestan should serve as warning. U.S. special forces are reported to be already deployed in Iran, although not ostensibly to this end. After that, it’s on to Pakistan, which, by pure chance, is now seen to be “harboring” Osama, and which also has an ample supply of restive ethnic groups (Baluchis again, and Waziri’s). That Pakistan has nuclear weapons presumably represents only a minor technicality to be overcome via the same brilliant planning that has characterized the Iraq operation. The true beauty of the project lies in the fact that it can be “sold” to dim-witted Americans as a program for securing U.S. control of strategic energy resources and infrastructures. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 7 2006 10:01 utc | 24 @Unca Posted by: Guthman Bey | Sep 7 2006 13:00 utc | 25 Uncle, thanks for link to Roubini’s recent blogging on US housing bust. Posted by: Dismal Science | Sep 7 2006 14:13 utc | 26 So Blair will leave in 12 month – does this mean an attack on Iran must come before that time? found mike nourse’s classic edit of a bush speech up on youtube – Terror, Iraq, Weapons Posted by: b real | Sep 7 2006 16:29 utc | 28 meh… who cares about secondary crimes of the Bush Crime family: (/snark) Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 7 2006 19:09 utc | 29 interview w/ daniele ganser, author of NATO’s Secret Armies Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe on the theories surrounding who was behind the sept 11 attacks
Posted by: b real | Sep 7 2006 19:19 utc | 30 @Bey
Ruppert has no expertise on the matter at hand. Does anyone here? Do you? I don’t , so I’ll give more weight to the arguments of “smart oil people”, like “Pickens, Simmons, Petrie and Maxwell”. Would Ruppert be more believable if he were less shrill? After all, those “smart oil people” are part of his sycophantic chorus. They do agree with Ruppert, do they not? Isn’t the difference just a matter of when and how emotional each party gets about the subject? Posted by: gmac | Sep 7 2006 19:41 utc | 31 Palast is a left gate-keeper (imho) Ruppert has his gifts and faults (.. the message, and not the messenger, as Uncle Scam said) but is no oil expert. Posted by: Noirrette | Sep 7 2006 20:17 utc | 32 Gmac: wrong. I used that many words precisely to avoid stating that Peak Oil is an established fact, which it simply isn’t. Noone knows today what deep sea drilling will yield. Death is certain, the Hubbertian Peak Oil curve is not. The uncertain future of uncertainty continues (for now). Posted by: Guthman Bey | Sep 7 2006 20:28 utc | 33 American Petrocracy
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Posted by: manonfyre | Sep 7 2006 22:23 utc | 34 How One Christian Couple Rewrites Textbooks For Whole Country Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 7 2006 22:45 utc | 35 @bernhard you’d think. the great imponderable is Gordon Brown was even more of an arselickin globalist corporation lover than the Bliar, but given that he’s had to fight tooth and nail to get his gig with no support, the reverse in fact from Uncle Rupert Murdoch, he may no longer feel as obliged to the pricks as he once was. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 8 2006 6:45 utc | 36
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 8 2006 11:11 utc | 37 @Bey
or Posted by: gmac | Sep 8 2006 12:13 utc | 38 Suicide bombing near U.S. Embassy in Kabul kills 16, including 2 U.S. soldiers Posted by: beq | Sep 8 2006 14:33 utc | 40
Posted by: beq | Sep 8 2006 16:39 utc | 42 Today’s P on the P. Page C1:
Posted by: beq | Sep 8 2006 18:10 utc | 43 Interesting article beq. It makes anyone that questions the official conspiracy theory seem like a crank. Lite on real facts and plays up the loonier aspects as well as being contradictory. All to further cloud the issue. Posted by: gmac | Sep 8 2006 18:55 utc | 44 Yes, gmac, and if that’s the building in Madrid, how long did it burn? Days? Posted by: beq | Sep 8 2006 19:10 utc | 45 you gotta admit though that the article was not bad for the corporate media. granted, the POV was biased, but it didn’t completely make everyone who questions the official conspiracy tale into a nutjob. and it did leave some questions open. no mention of wtc7. Posted by: b real | Sep 8 2006 19:12 utc | 46 Yes, it burned for at least 24hrs and there was collapse, but it was uneven as one would expect because fires do not burn evenly. The steel in the WTC was rated to last a lot longer than it did and for higher temps. But the jet fuel, the jet fuel. Jet fuel is just kerosene and those big fireballs as the planes struck? That is most of the fuel burning off. Posted by: gmac | Sep 8 2006 20:34 utc | 47 We’re on the same page, gmac. What do the Popular Mechanics [oxymoron?] guys say? Posted by: beq | Sep 8 2006 22:26 utc | 48 BYU places ‘9/11 truth’ professor on paid leave Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 8 2006 22:44 utc | 49 BYU places ‘9/11 truth’ professor on paid leave Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 8 2006 22:49 utc | 50 9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply
Posted by: John Francis Lee | Sep 9 2006 1:31 utc | 51 ‘Gaza is a jail. Nobody is allowed to leave. We are all starving now’
Posted by: John Francis Lee | Sep 9 2006 2:30 utc | 52 Michael Berube
and this is just one piece in a lovely essay on how Marx is useful to effective activism in the real world, but needs to be thought through, in this case via Raymond Williams. Posted by: citizen | Sep 9 2006 5:25 utc | 54 jfl – reality brought home. first thought – how dare i complain about some tv-mocu-drama in the face of such tragedy, but the reality is that it all folds into the rest. as dramatic as it sounds, it seems the time has come to truly fight. Posted by: conchita | Sep 9 2006 5:29 utc | 55 thanks, citizen. might be exactly what i need right now. Posted by: conchita | Sep 9 2006 5:31 utc | 56 From Beq’s pejorative Washington Post article (#44): Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 9 2006 6:10 utc | 57 ah HA!! so that’s where citizen k hangs out. berube interesting. Posted by: b real | Sep 9 2006 6:36 utc | 58 Krugman says [not firewalled] inequality is up for grabs in the national discourse funhouse. Good news. Posted by: citizen | Sep 9 2006 7:05 utc | 60 @beq @49 Posted by: gmac | Sep 9 2006 14:42 utc | 61 @Monolycus Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 9 2006 18:17 utc | 62 A tip of my hat to Hyun-shik, who handed me a copy of this video. I haven’t watched it yet (haven’t sobered up yet), but Hyun was impressed enough to burn several copies to hand out to his regulars. Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 9 2006 19:33 utc | 63 A movie that everyone should see, Monolycus, just like they say. I ordered and received a copy several months ago. Posted by: beq | Sep 9 2006 21:09 utc | 64 beq- exactly. most everyone here seems to apply a healthy skepticism to our corporate media’s reporting. why would we not assume that a good portion of the rest of wapo readers have learned to do the same? gotta give the public some credit for not just being uncritical of all input they receive & mindlessly buying into the spin put into an article such as this. as you say, the wapo article brings the subject into the open and actually is not as bad as many previous hatchet jobs. sure, there will be those readers who look at the article & say ‘hey, good enough for me’, but for those who read critically and between the lines, it may very well raise more questions than it answers. Posted by: b real | Sep 10 2006 2:11 utc | 65 Yes, b real. I watched “Loose Change” again this evening and my jaws have been clenched since. So many questions. Posted by: beq | Sep 10 2006 2:47 utc | 66 beq & b real Posted by: gmac | Sep 10 2006 13:21 utc | 67 gmac- i do not expect wapo to ever cover this issue in the manner that an authentic journalism would require (it’s a little late to begin now), so i start from the position that I am not their targeted audience & was basing my evaluation from that view. sure, as carlin says, there are a lot of stupid mf’ers out there, but that’s not the group i’m thinking of. people who can’t think for themselves make lousy jurists, so we don’t really want them on our side anyway. but there are still people out there that do think & do share a healthy skepticism of what their govt tells them. and there are undoubtedly readers of wapo who have not time on the web researching the topic yet can spot contradictions – as you point out – and, reading this particular article, might become aware that there are more than just fringe whacko’s w/ too much time on their hands espousing open skepticism of the official conspiracy story and that, therefore, more info may be suppressed than the corporate media coverage is providing. a distinguished theologian? ex-admin staffers? professors? it just may make some readers go hmmmm enough to seek out more information and, hence, further diminish the marginalization of alternative theories. Posted by: b real | Sep 11 2006 2:52 utc | 68 @ gmac – What b real said. The same goes for my co-workers, one of which a couple of years ago, when I said, “Bin Laden didn’t do 9-11” actually, literally put his hands over his ears and said, “No, No, No, I’m not listening” as he almost ran away. Posted by: beq | Sep 11 2006 11:55 utc | 69 Also wondering if the “great grey mass” may not need the emotional detachment that time will provide. And with everything else coming apart at the seams, maybe it will be sooner rather than later. Posted by: beq | Sep 11 2006 12:13 utc | 70 |
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