Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 14, 2006
Fruit Cake Conclusions

rememberinggiap, a commentator on this blog since its first day, has just received a new computer. His old machine died some month ago. He has/had no money and his fascinating job (read down) did/does not nearly pay enough to get a replacement.

So after Conchita generously raised the awareness, some donors put up the needed money to get r’giap going again and regulars here donated, underlining their solidarity and spreading the burden. A big genuine "Thanks" to all of them!

Billmon once called r’giap a Stalinist fruit cake. The relevant dialog is here, here and here.

Nearly a year later, I today re-ask the question r’giap raised and was rebuked for.

Is the resistance to this stupid War of Terror a genuine native social one, or is this some wacko religious conflict?

My take is the first, Billmon seems to tend to the second view.

The countries and state-philosophies involved are on one side based on pure neo-lib greed (A) and on the other on a secular kind of socialism (Baathism) or a religion sourced duty to share wealth (B), i.e. socialism based on agnostic believe or some holy book.

In which conversion of your personal life, A to B or B to A, would you really be committed to resist?

That is still the much undervalued central question of the fight. But back to r’giap:

He just wrote:

the wonderful tool has arrived & with its maiden ecran – there will be much work done on them

i really, really want to thank all the comrades for their fraternity & generosity – i hope i am worthy of your efforts

here & elsewhere

as conchita knows i have a fascination with the tools of my labour
(perhaps even a little too much) but to be working on something that
only my own failure is exigante is important for me

the conflation of my situation, the sickness being very heavy &
the pure absurdity of events – foreseeable events like the ‘resurgance’
of the ‘insurgents’ in afghanistan – where we have since the whisky bar
been most insistant

the plane affair become a sorry soap instead of the affair of state it is

from bint jbeil to wajiristan – the empire has understood nothing, absolutely nothing

& the mess they are making of it is enough it send us all to
hospital & sometimes it is hard to see through the mess &
sometimes i am unconvinced of friend slothrops sense that finally the
empire knows what it is doing even in chaos

having been more or less a silent witness & overcrowded with
commentary &images during this ÊtÊ – i am convinced of only their
brutality & their stupidity

& it is not flattery to say i come here for sense, common sense

& i find it

Welcome back r’giap. May steel win over gold.

Comments

Welcome back R’Giap.
I seem to remember in the Iron Age, in MSM news that was a few years ago, we used to link BBC stories.
Caught a few minutes of a news on BBC World earlier this evening about a Anmesty Intl report of war crimes in the Leb/Hez/Isr conflict. BBC led with Hez committing war crimes send Katushyas into civilian areas……… switched channels.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Sep 14 2006 21:08 utc | 1

all my heart, b
& cloned – that’s where i find the greatest change in these last ten years – the so called moderate arm of the mass media is not moderate at all & seems to they are so full of fear that they reproduce it
it is in a sense true here with aspects of le monde, in italian papers, it is noticeable really in the country where murdoch own s 70% of all media – that the so called liberal media – in essence two papers in the whole country – the age & the sydney morning herald prefer to engage their ‘liberality’ solely on the questions of ‘lifestyle’ especially as the aspect they pursue the most, unconciously, is their forgetfulness
robert fisk for example is not a radical man, closer to a scholar than a newsman but such is the absence of sense that he appears like a shining sun
again i want to thank all the comrades here from bottom of this most desolate heart

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 14 2006 22:14 utc | 2

Can we break out some bubbly? I’m parched.

Posted by: beq | Sep 14 2006 23:23 utc | 3

good to have you back r’giap. sending much lv your way.
thanks to b for the excellent post and re asking the questions.
a genuine native social one, or is this some wacko religious conflict.
my instinct is that it is both simultaneously. i think there are for sure some wacko religious characters, how could there not be. at the same time i do believe the bulk of the social resistance is definitely native and genuine.
it is different judging those in power with the capability of pulling strings than assessing the intentions of the populace. i do not believe in anyway the majority of people in any middle eastern country are wacko, most people just want to live normal lives and get swept into politics. in other words it is possible a genuine social resistance could have elements of religeous fanatics at the helm, or that those in power can sweep up and convert, control, and take advantage of existing genuine resistance to use to their advantage.
things have degenerated so much since the original fruitcake conversation. i’m sure the sides are more polarized and i doubt they are driven by religion, more likely survival. if by some miracle things calmed down, i have little doubts we could instigate more strife.
more later, i have work to do, that’s just off the top of my head, as usual.
welcome back r’giap

Posted by: annie | Sep 15 2006 0:23 utc | 4

right on, rgiap

Posted by: slothrop | Sep 15 2006 0:42 utc | 5

Yippeee….our fave resident “Pinko Poet” is back 🙂
Hope you’re feeling better – of course, sending the computer was Conchita’s way of squeezing posts out of you, so hope you’re up to it!
@CP – don’t forget that Rupie Murdoch put Blair in power. One of his most impt. tasks was gutting BBC as much as possible, otherwise Murdoch’s ability to manipulate politics & media in Britain is limited.

Posted by: jj | Sep 15 2006 0:49 utc | 6

have tried to email you beq
so i’ll send it here
its appropriate
mon petit japonais beq
i just wanted to send this short email to tell you how much what you sharon & other comrades
have done
in its way a gentle kick in the ass
a tenderness inside the tumult
it’s strange the ways of the world
i’m sure i shared an artforum with anna missed
& refound an old comrade through moon theodor
who i thought was lost into the darkness of abjection (theodor)
who turns out now to be a specialist on speed & is obviouslly
the sincerest & serious of academics
moon provides so much in the hell that constitutes modernity
& what passes for art practice has turned its back on the very real isssues
but i join you arm in arm for the barricades
tendresse et force
christopher/remembereringgiap

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 15 2006 1:22 utc | 7

great to see you back in the hypertext biz again, r’giap
if it keep on rainin’
the levee gonna break
some people are still sleeping
some people are wide awake

Posted by: b real | Sep 15 2006 3:39 utc | 8

For R’giap

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 15 2006 4:34 utc | 9

welcome back, rememberinggiap. welcome back.

Posted by: conchita | Sep 15 2006 5:04 utc | 10

Welcome back r’giap – am looking forward to reading your comments again.

Posted by: Fran | Sep 15 2006 5:12 utc | 11

One more for R’giap
If I had a smurfy Imac, I would retaliate….:~)

Posted by: biklett | Sep 15 2006 6:44 utc | 12

Of course, the war can be simultaneously carried out by native social forces and be a crazed intercommunal conflict–and one can’t really separate religion from “communities,” since in most of the world outside the postmodern West (and apparently religious zealots everywhere), religion is not so much what people believe, but the social group who they belong to. Native “tribes” have issues, often going back generations. The foreign troops/jihadis offer a convenient excuse for both sides (that they are conveniently aligning themselves with the warring sides at present makes it easy for the locals, I suppose): they are either a tool to be used to attack the other tribe or the excuse to the other “collaborationist tribe.”
I suppose this is the danger of bring “moral clarity” into anything: the world rarely divides itself into “good guys” and “bad guys.” Yet, we all try all the same–including with ourselves.

Posted by: kao_hsien_chih | Sep 15 2006 6:48 utc | 13

Was there any doubt he would return? Fruitcakes last.

Food scholars date fruitcake back to ancient Egypt and the Roman Empire. According to some historians, Egyptian fruitcake was considered an essential food for the afterlife and there are those today who maintain that this is the only thing they are good for. In ancient Rome, raisins, pine nuts and pomegranate seeds were added to barley mash, making the fruitcake not only handy and lethal catapult ammunition, but also hearty compact foodstuff for the long campaigns waged by the conquering Roman legions. Centuries later, during the Middle Ages, preserved fruits, honey and spices were added, bumping the status of fruitcake up from granola bar to decadent dessert.

– and congrats on the new ride RG

Posted by: Night Owl | Sep 15 2006 6:58 utc | 14

@ r’giap (#7)Thank you tovarich, I do whatever I can. For you, it’s so easy. A gentle kick in the ass anytime you need it.
😉

Posted by: beq | Sep 15 2006 11:15 utc | 15

I never really got what the “stalinist fruitcake” remark was about before. Billmon can be testy when he feels he’s been criticized by someone he deems his intellectual inferior, or perhaps just a rhetorically unworthy opponent, and I always thought that was the gist of his testiness with r’giap. I don’t share billmon’s view in any case. The stalinist part always seemed gratuitous. Thanks for the clarification.
I came upon Susan Sontag’s essay of 24 September 2001 just now and thought I would pass on the link.

Our leaders are bent on convincing us that everything is O.K. America is not afraid. Our spirit is unbroken, although this was a day that will live in infamy and America is now at war. But everything is not O.K. And this was not Pearl Harbor. We have a robotic president who assures us that America stands tall. A wide spectrum of public figures, in and out of office, who are strongly opposed to the policies being pursued abroad by this Administration apparently feel free to say nothing more than that they stand united behind President Bush. A lot of thinking needs to be done, and perhaps is being done in Washington and elsewhere, about the ineptitude of American intelligence and counter-intelligence, about options available to American foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East, and about what constitutes a smart program of military defense. But the public is not being asked to bear much of the burden of reality. The unanimously applauded, self-congratulatory bromides of a Soviet Party Congress seemed contemptible. The unanimity of the sanctimonious, reality-concealing rhetoric spouted by American officials and media commentators in recent days seems, well, unworthy of a mature democracy.

Clear-sightedness from the get go. As well, I offer for the third, and final time Jan Myrdal’s inrterview with Al-Intiqad. I apologize if you all have already read it, and will stop foisting it upon you in the future.

Of course I feel that the victory of Hamas is important but:
a) I’m a Swede sitting in Sweden, I’m not a Palestinian. I have no real knowledge.
b) It is not for me – or anybody outside Palestine to give that kind of advice.
This is a matter of principle. If Hamas is a true representative of the Palestinian people they have to answer to the Palestinian people and not to well wishers from this or that continent however friendly! Still less of course to politicians in Israel, the United States or the European Union or even the United Nations!
The same goes for Hezbollah.
The question of international solidarity is in fact very simple. We formulated it during the war against US aggression in South East Asia:
– Support the Liberation front on their own conditions!
This is a principle valid for our period. We must remember that this is a long historical period. Imperialism and its genocidal politics began a hundred years before I was born, I’m now 79, I will be 80 next summer. If I said that I hoped to see a decisive popular victory in my time I would be stupid. My grandchildren are around 30. When their great grand-children approach my present age it might be that they will see the end of this evil age!

‘Fruitcakes’, both of them. ‘Stalinists’? I don’t see it. Might as well go straight to ‘Islamofascists’.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Sep 15 2006 14:26 utc | 16

yea, team!

Posted by: manonfyre | Sep 15 2006 17:40 utc | 17

crawling out of my bottle to say welcome back r’giap.missed you.

Posted by: lori laidella | Sep 16 2006 10:36 utc | 18

damn auto fill and tequila

Posted by: onzaga | Sep 16 2006 10:38 utc | 19

Hey! Welcome back rgiap!

Posted by: Rick Happ | Sep 16 2006 11:19 utc | 20

Welcome back r’giap, and my thanks to you for all you have done, and to all the generous comrades who have made it possible for you to do some more
Although there are disagreements here at the MoA, and sometimes sharp words, I find a broadness of perspective and largeness of heart that keeps me coming back

Posted by: mistah charley | Sep 16 2006 16:48 utc | 21