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August 8, 2006
WB: Whose Line Is It Anyway?

Billmon:

[T]he spectacle of Israel’s political and military establishment dancing anxiously on the diplomatic sidelines, hoping the U.N. Security Council will step in with a timely ceasefire, while their Arab enemy impassively declares his willingness to keep on fighting, is a sight I truly never expected to see.

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Hezbollah backs decision to deploy Lebanese army in south

Lebanon will deploy its army in the south of the country after the Israel Defense Forces’ withdrawal from the area, the Lebanese cabinet agreed Monday night, in a decision supported by all the ministers present, including the five Shi’ite ministers who represent Hezbollah and Amal.
The decision marks the first time since 1982 that the Lebanese government has decided to impose its sovereignty in the south of the country.
Lebanese officials are hoping that in the wake of the night’s decision, the United Nations Security Council will agree to the amended U.S.-French draft resolution that calls for the withdrawal of the Israel Defense Forces from the country.
Political sources in Jerusalem said in response to the Lebanese cabinet decision that Israel was waiting to see how the decision fit in with the Security Council deliberations. The proposal, the sources said, was outlined in an interview Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora gave to The Washington Post on Monday.
For the purpose of the deployment, the Lebanese defense minister Monday announced the mobilization of reservists. All Lebanese soldiers who were discharged in the past five years will be called up for duty.

Posted by: annie | Aug 8 2006 4:57 utc | 1

billmon, Ze’ev Schiff “now he’s saying just the opposite ” link is dated 7/08.

Posted by: annie | Aug 8 2006 5:21 utc | 2

from the above link. i keep reading this part over and ober.

Al-Aridi hinted that Lebanon was expecting positive reactions to its decision.
He also added that, following the deployment of the army in the south of the country, Hezbollah would remain in the area “as a party that represents an entire segment of the population.”
Al-Aridi stressed that the organization would remain a partner to decision-making in the country and that the deployment of the army was designed “to reap the fruits of Lebanon’s military achievement.

Posted by: annie | Aug 8 2006 5:30 utc | 3

Monbiot (quite late, I said this two weeks ago): Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong

Since Israel’s withdrawal from southern Lebanon in May 2000, there have been hundreds of violations of the “blue line” between the two countries. The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) reports that Israeli aircraft crossed the line “on an almost daily basis” between 2001 and 2003, and “persistently” until 2006. These incursions “caused great concern to the civilian population, particularly low-altitude flights that break the sound barrier over populated areas”. On some occasions, Hizbullah tried to shoot them down with anti-aircraft guns.

But there is no serious debate about why the two soldiers were captured: Hizbullah was seeking to exchange them for the 15 prisoners of war taken by the Israelis during the occupation of Lebanon and (in breach of article 118 of the third Geneva convention) never released. It seems clear that if Israel had handed over the prisoners, it would – without the spillage of any more blood – have retrieved its men and reduced the likelihood of further kidnappings. But the Israeli government refused to negotiate. Instead – well, we all know what happened instead. Almost 1,000 Lebanese and 33 Israeli civilians have been killed so far, and a million Lebanese displaced from their homes.
On July 12, in other words, Hizbullah fired the first shots. But that act of aggression was simply one instance in a long sequence of small incursions and attacks over the past six years by both sides. So why was the Israeli response so different from all that preceded it? The answer is that it was not a reaction to the events of that day. The assault had been planned for months.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2006 5:33 utc | 4

Annie
My interpretation of the Lebanese government statement is that Hezbollah has agreed to become the Lebanese army. Since the “official” Lebanese army is only in name and anyway is mostly made up of Shia, why not get the “real” fighting force – the force that has held up the mighty IDF as the legitimate Lebanese army.

Posted by: ab initio | Aug 8 2006 5:56 utc | 5

Hezbollah has agreed to become the Lebanese army.
or the lebanese army has agreed to become hezbollah.
i am still reeling from the Schiff artcle. it seems so yesterday.
The Prime Minister’s Office argues that the IDF has yet to submit an operational plan for expanding its ground assault beyond “cleansing” a narrow strip along the border of Hezbollah positions. If the IDF does not have a proposal, why should government ministers, most of whom have no military experience or background, offer up such a plan?
As per usual, Sunday’s cabinet meeting resembled a debate club in that not one vote was taken. On Saturday night, the prime minister finally convened his “forum of seven,” which also did not resolve to undertake a clear, operative plan.

is this anyway to run a war? who did they think they were dealing with when they started this thing.? this is almost unbelievable. it’s hard to believe they are so inept.
Israeli Soldiers Find a Tenacious Foe in Hezbollah
apparently

Posted by: annie | Aug 8 2006 6:10 utc | 6

The Israelis are “programmed” to consider the Arabs to be neolitihic Untermenschen. It was inconceivable to them that their enemy had gained parity — or even that it had outsmarted them. Therefore, such scenarios were not gamed, pre-invasion.
Israel made its move thinking it had the best pieces, the best position on the board and the best player. They probably thought they could beat Hezbollah blindfolded.
Right now, Israel and the Bush White House are staring open eyed at the debacle of a completely transformed Middle East. The Lebanese polity was in formation – and Hezbollah assumed the mantle of responsibility for keeping the South secure against Israel’s proven enemy. Having achieve evidence of its capabilities, it is only natural that Hezbollah will now become part of the greater defence of Lebanon. This is how armies are formed, out of pure self interest, on the basis of efficacy.
It is also how polities are fractured. We can begin looking at real estate listings in Israel – quite a few people are seeing the writing on the wall, so to speak. The cucoon of security that the Israelis lulled themselves into has been burst in a most disagreeable manner, by an idiot cabinet led by a psychotic IDF chief and a clueless head of state.

Posted by: SteinL | Aug 8 2006 6:18 utc | 7

That should be: … Lebanon’s proven enemy. (Hmmm – Freudian pink slip to me).

Posted by: SteinL | Aug 8 2006 6:21 utc | 8

Informative link annie.
Punching above their weight indeed.
The the war nerd has some interesting ideas along these lines as well.

Posted by: ran | Aug 8 2006 6:24 utc | 9

He was interviewed at an army-run hotel in Kiryat Shemona this week as he returned to his unit, though he still can’t fight because he lost feeling in his trigger finger.

From the WaPo article annie linked to above.
This neatly encapsulates what the war nerd was driving at.

Posted by: ran | Aug 8 2006 6:31 utc | 10

Asia Times gives us a rundown on the behind the scenes. Dangerously ugly stuff.
“The difference between the US and Europe on how to handle the Middle East is stark,” a Finnish diplomat said during a recent private meeting in Washington. “In the US your political parties worry about the Jewish vote – in Europe, political parties worry about the Muslim vote. It’s just that simple.”

The draft resolution finesses the divide between America’s call for the deployment of an international force and France’s call for a ceasefire – saying that there should be a “full cessation of hostilities” prior to the tabling of a second resolution, which will deal with the more difficult political issues posed by the Israeli-Hezbollah war.
In truth, a number of UN diplomats concede that the battle between the US and France inside the Security Council only diverted the attention of both countries from the conflict in the Middle East. Getting Arab nations to sign on to the resolution was postponed in order to get the resolution agreed to. Nor, it seems, were the Lebanese consulted at all during the process.

A spokesman for Hezbollah in Beirut was even blunter, saying that the resolution was “dead on arrival”. He added, “The French caved in to American and Israeli pressure. Israel gets to stay on our land. We are required to disarm. Why isn’t an international force deployed in northern Israel? Our arms get cut off and the US gets to fly cluster munitions into Ben Gurion [Airport in Tel Aviv]. Just who do they think is winning this war?”
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For now, Condoleezza Rice is hailing the US-French draft as a symbol for US-European cooperation. But for many European diplomats, agreement on the draft resolution has only papered over a deepening rift between the United States and its European partners, with some European diplomats muttering that America’s real goal is to induce the Europeans to wade into Lebanon on the side of a defanged and humiliated Israel.

There are more difficult days ahead – particularly when the US and France square off in the coming week over the draft of a second resolution. With nearly everyone now wondering whether the US position in the Middle East is unraveling, one UN diplomat said the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict may spell the end of an era in which the US and Europe established a tradition of diplomatic cooperation: “We might as well face up to it. Sooner or later the United States is going to have to choose what is more important – its strategic alliance with Europe, or its friendship with Israel.”
No matter what the answer to that question might be, the very fact that it has been asked means that the real loser in the current Middle East conflict is the Atlantic alliance.
The loser in Lebanon: The Atlantic alliance

Posted by: jj | Aug 8 2006 6:34 utc | 11

@ran – I remember reading The War Nerd when that article came out, and when I read this:

So they shouted, “Charge!” and the first Merkava steamed over the border.
Guess how far it got. Ten meters. Ten goddamn meters. Then KABOOM! A Hezbollah mine or shaped charge turned it into a very expensive oven, with four crew killed. Another IDF soldier died trying to rescue them. So within a few minutes the IDF had lost eight men. As far as I know, Hezbollah’s losses were zero.

I realized that the Hezbollah was ready and waiting.

Posted by: SteinL | Aug 8 2006 6:53 utc | 12

ran, war nerd/great site, i bookmarked it.
he talks about how the IDF is going to “expel Hezbollah from Southern Lebanon.” Christ, Hezbollah IS Southern Lebanon. You might as well try to expel ants.
b. quite late indeed

Posted by: annie | Aug 8 2006 7:03 utc | 13

Haaretz art. underscores above art. from ATimes.
“The diplomatic process has run aground,” a veteran political commentator at the UN said Monday.

Meanwhile, sources at the UN said on Monday that U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who was supposed to arrive in New York Tuesday, had postponed her arrival in the city. UN sources also said U.S. President George W. Bush’s address Monday was a clear-cut expression of opposition to substantial changes in the draft proposal.
Bush told reporters at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, that he was adamantly opposed to Lebanon’s demand to amend the proposal to include a demand for an immediate Israeli withdrawal from South Lebanon.
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Unconfirmed reports said the French are prepared to make changes to the draft proposal. “It is not by chance that the French president has not been heard over the past two days,” the diplomat said.

Posted by: jj | Aug 8 2006 7:21 utc | 14

The Arab nations are realizing their new found power. They have the U.S. by the balls in Iraq – unwisely, the WH has chosen to challenge the Shi’ites in Lebanon, while being at their mercy in Iraq. Even Sistani has declared his opposition to the action in Lebanon, stating that anyone supporting it is an enemy of Islam – and that’s hard phrasings from an otherwise cagey phrasemaker. His followers had no trouble understanding that they were supposed to begin diligently watching the occupiers in their midst (as if they haven’t been, over the last three years).
It could be that what is being gamed in military academies around the world will soon become actual fact:
The Retreat from Baghdad. Scenario definers: a popular uprising against the Coalition’s presence in Iraq boils over into armed opposition. The Coalition must withdraw towards Kuwait and Jordan. Outcomes?

Posted by: SteinL | Aug 8 2006 7:41 utc | 15

Israel is losing media war wide and large (not only in Arab world), so things are just getting hot and urgent for them and USA. There is nothing to save you once you lose media war…this world is all about images created…To make a balance west media is now showing “good old” program about anti-Semitism…and Holocaust…but it’s not going to work…people daily watch those gruesome pictures from Lebanon (no matter text that cover it) and it’s not going to stop. Same with Palestinians. You don’t have to love them to decide between kids throwing stones and armed solders and bulldozers…People have this kind of judgmental thinking implemented in their gins.
Hezbollah is not going to retreat and this means more casualties in Lebanon and more war crimes done by Israel.

Posted by: vbo | Aug 8 2006 12:21 utc | 16

I should also point out that contrary to what Billmon believes, the US-French ceasefire offer isn’t even an acceptable ceasefire offer to Hezbollah or the Lebanese government. But you have to pay attention to details. In a Mercury News article, you’ll find this passage:

Mohamed Shatah, senior adviser to the Lebanese prime minister, said Lebanese officials were engaged in an “around-the-clock” effort to persuade U.N. Security Council members to address their concerns before the council votes on the resolution, which could come Monday or Tuesday.
Shatah said a major concern is that the resolution, which calls for a “full cessation of hostilities,” requires Israel to drop all offensive military actions – implicitly permitting actions in its own defense. Throughout the current conflict, Israel has claimed it acted in self-defense after Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers on July 12.
“Defensive action appears to be a description of everything that Israel does,” Shatah said.
Shatah also said the timeline for a second U.N. resolution authorizing a stronger multinational peacekeeping force in the region was “fuzzy,” and that without a force in place immediately the agreement would fall apart.

(All emphasis mine)

Posted by: DoDo | Aug 8 2006 12:54 utc | 18

“We might as well face up to it. Sooner or later the United States is going to have to choose what is more important – its strategic alliance with Europe, or its friendship with Israel.”
I might add: choose what is more important … “to the people of the United States” for a change.
The Coalition must withdraw towards Kuwait and Jordan. Outcomes?
I see King Abdullah waving goodbye to the mobs while boarding an American helicopter from the roof of his palace.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 8 2006 14:30 utc | 19

Forgot to ask:
If Hizbollah becomes part of the Lebanese army, does that mean that Hizbollah is no longer a “terrorist” organization? Or does it mean that the Lebanese army is a terrorist army? We got to keep the “terrorism” in there somewhere to satify AIPAC.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 8 2006 14:32 utc | 20

More of this please:
Turkey scraps deal with Israel Aircraft Industries to upgrade aircraft in protest at Lebanon offensive

The war deals a severe blow to Israel Aircraft Industries: The Turkish government has canceled a deal to upgrade fighter jets worth USD 500 million because of the war in Lebanon.
The Israel Aircraft Industries fears that more deals could be canceled.
In 1997 Turkey signed an agreement with Israel for the upgrading of 54 Phantom aircraft at the cost of USD 1 billion.
The deal was concluded in 2003 and Turkey showed interest in upgrading another 50 Phantom jets for USD 500 million.

Turkey’s interest in Israeli military products has long been considered as a “goldmine” in Israel.
“Turkey was conceived as a replacement for South Africa and Iran, who were big customers of Israeli weapons,” he said.
Since the war in Lebanon opposition parties in Turkey have increased pressure on the government to cut military ties with Israel.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2006 15:00 utc | 21

215 Members of Turkey-Israel Friendship Group Resign

ANKARA – Reacting to recent Israeli attacks on Lebanon and Palestine 215 parliamentarians have resigned from Turkey-Israel Interparliamentary Friendship Group so far.
The group has a total of 263 members.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2006 15:11 utc | 22

True Believers, Neo-Cons and Lukidites all have too much in common. They believe their own propaganda and love fighting wars on the cheap. Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Lebanon are no longer cheap.
Has no own thought about the Shiites of Southern Lebanon who for six years dug tunnels, laid mines, trained and spent Western oil dollars on missiles? What kind of fanatic would prepare for a Jewish re-invasion of their land after kicking the invaders out? Fanatics who know their opponents very well.

Posted by: Jim S | Aug 8 2006 15:52 utc | 23

b. after reading the papers and commentators, and the links and posts at MoA, I have reached the following conclusion, for what it is worth.
a) the provocation was by Hizbulla. It may have been slightly accidental on purpose, these things happen. An untenable situation has to crack.
b) Olmert did not know how to react and listened to the Generals who brought out long-laid plans.
Totten has pictures of the border (scroll down) – they tell their own story.
link

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 8 2006 16:13 utc | 24

“Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.”
Moshe Dayan

Eventually, mad dogs either weaken and die of their disease or get put down. As a long term survival strategy, this seems counter productive.

Posted by: lonesomeG | Aug 8 2006 16:24 utc | 25

Ah, Mr. Totten, producer of tottenisms.

Posted by: DoDo | Aug 8 2006 16:29 utc | 26

about The looser of Lebanon – the Atlantic Alliance. posted by jj.
The atlantic alliance was strengthened by the Kosovo war. It was subsequently destroyed by the impetuous Bushian actions in Iraq. The coalition members from the EU in Iraq were all fooled, blackmailed, or paid. And the International community (meaning a loose collection of rich states all looking out for numbah one) refused to pay for it. They paid for other adventures, letting the US be in the front line, bad boy on the block, all that. Iraq they considered foolhardy, over the top, not in line with the commercial and strategic interests of the West. This is a point that the Democrats perpetually try to make in a feeble sub rosa coded way with their gurgling about alliances and diplomacy, trying to convince people that their wars (past ones) were – well just err better.
The Muslim vote in the EU doesn’t count – many would not call themselves Muslims in any case, what subsists is small and split between a variety of parties. If EU leaders are worried about the vote, it is about their core constituents, on the left and on the right.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 8 2006 16:43 utc | 27

@Noirette – yep – that’s exactly what I said in Premature Ejaculation
Though if that was a “provocation” what is a low flying F16 over Lebanon breaking the sound barrier? Happened nearly daily since 2000 according to UN reports.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2006 16:46 utc | 28

Dodo, the pictures are informative, no?

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 8 2006 16:48 utc | 29

The atlantic alliance was strengthened by the Kosovo war.
I remember it differently
The Muslim vote in the EU doesn’t count – many would not call themselves Muslims in any case, what subsists is small and split between a variety of parties.
It is true that European Muslims and Arabs aren’t a factor like the US Jewish voters, but they certainly predominantly vote Left, and it already happened that they made a difference. For example, in the municipal elections in the Netherlands a few months ago.

Posted by: DoDo | Aug 8 2006 16:50 utc | 30

Noirette, yes, the pictures are informative (though in true Orientalist tradition, he seeked out what fit his ideas), but reading some of his captions gave me the creeps. Notably absent from the pictures is the war.

Posted by: DoDo | Aug 8 2006 16:54 utc | 31

b and Noirette, regarding who provocated whom, Monbiot’s latest Guardian piece is informative, and it is quite fitting given that he is correcting his earlier self.

Posted by: DoDo | Aug 8 2006 16:56 utc | 32

Totten’s pictures are interesting, his interpretations on the other hand… OMG. His pictures are one-sided as well, in that they don’t show that large areas of the South used to look surprisingly wealthy.
Besides, I don’t see why posters of fallen heroes during a war are supposed to be “radical”. Oppressive yes, like all propaganda. But poorer Christian areas of East Beirut have the same oppressive atmosphere with their Bashir Gemayel shrines and posters of warlord Samir Geagea.
The Lebanese Christians can thank their lucky stars (or whoever else they want to) for the fact that among Maronites at least Michel Aoun has kept his marbles and allied himself with Nasrallah. Otherwise the spectre of outright ethnic cleansing would start to loom large.

Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 8 2006 17:01 utc | 33

yo, vbo! long time no read

Posted by: Dismal Science | Aug 8 2006 17:04 utc | 34

IDF deputy chief named Halutz’s representative in the north

Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz on Tuesday appointed his deputy, Moshe Kaplinsky, to serve as his representative in the Northern Command.
IDF sources said Kaplinsky’s appointment does not mean he will serve as the commander of the northern front as Israel battles with Hezbollah guerillas. They said his position would be to coordinate land, air and sea operations in case of a widescale offensive.
The sources also said his appointment would not affect the chain of command in terms of the relationship between the central command and the northern command.

The last paragraph is obvious bullshit. The put someone in to babysit the old northern commander. I regard that as a sign for a wider attack.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2006 17:08 utc | 35

My first thought as I read Billmon’s post: their on-going war-criminal actions speak MUCH louder than their new peace-broker words. But those words are good for campaigning in the US elections, which is the only reason they are speaking them now: they divert public attention from their ethnic cleansing actions and intentions. Meta message: We are the good guys; we come in peace.
They must keep up the slaughter until they provoke Syria and Iran. Even proking a ‘lone gunman’-type terrorist act in the west would suffice for their real goal: fooling the American public to go along with the plan to hit Iran in ‘self-defense’.

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 8 2006 17:16 utc | 36

I think Galloway makes a good case, in that this crisis didn’t start four or five weeks ago, this has been going on since 1967. Chomsky even says no one is talking about the civilians kidnapped prior to the Israli soldiers. Lebanon Israel Facts the Media Isn’t Telling You 7/16/06

Noam Chomsky reveals facts like the abduction of the two Gaza civilians June 24, BEFORE the Israeli soldiers were captured. Learn the background that the mainstream media doesn’t report.
Help get the word out

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 8 2006 17:19 utc | 37

They put someone in to babysit the old northern commander. I regard that as a sign for a wider attack.
Given Israel’s performance in the war so far, I would regard it as a sign of another fiasco. I just don’t know what particular type of fiasco it will be yet.

Posted by: billmon | Aug 8 2006 17:23 utc | 38

There is also question of whether the abduction of the Israelis actually took place on the Lebanese side of the border. Therefore the Israeli response isn’t defending its own borders but rather defending its right to cross into other nations’ territories with impunity.

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 8 2006 17:24 utc | 39