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August 13, 2006
Smart Animals

Israeli newspapers are filled with reports of soldiers complaining about food, water and equipment shortages in southern Lebanon. The military was having so much trouble moving supplies over the rough terrain that it experimented with using llamas as pack animals. The experiment failed when an entire train of llamas sat down on the job, forcing the military unit to abort an expedition, according to several news reports.
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Posted by: You Asked | Aug 13 2006 17:04 utc | 1

Another smart animal: Hersh

The Bush Administration, however, was closely involved in the planning of Israel’s retaliatory attacks. President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney were convinced, current and former intelligence and diplomatic officials told me, that a successful Israeli Air Force bombing campaign against Hezbollah’s heavily fortified underground-missile and command-and-control complexes in Lebanon could ease Israel’s security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential American preëmptive attack to destroy Iran’s nuclear installations, some of which are also buried deep underground.

According to a Middle East expert with knowledge of the current thinking of both the Israeli and the U.S. governments, Israel had devised a plan for attacking Hezbollah—and shared it with Bush Administration officials—well before the July 12th kidnappings. “It’s not that the Israelis had a trap that Hezbollah walked into,” he said, “but there was a strong feeling in the White House that sooner or later the Israelis were going to do it.”
The Middle East expert said that the Administration had several reasons for supporting the Israeli bombing campaign. Within the State Department, it was seen as a way to strengthen the Lebanese government so that it could assert its authority over the south of the country, much of which is controlled by Hezbollah. He went on, “The White House was more focussed on stripping Hezbollah of its missiles, because, if there was to be a military option against Iran’s nuclear facilities, it had to get rid of the weapons that Hezbollah could use in a potential retaliation at Israel. Bush wanted both. Bush was going after Iran, as part of the Axis of Evil, and its nuclear sites, and he was interested in going after Hezbollah as part of his interest in democratization, with Lebanon as one of the crown jewels of Middle East democracy.”

The United States and Israel have shared intelligence and enjoyed close military cooperation for decades, but early this spring, according to a former senior intelligence official, high-level planners from the U.S. Air Force—under pressure from the White House to develop a war plan for a decisive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities—began consulting with their counterparts in the Israeli Air Force.

“The Israelis told us it would be a cheap war with many benefits,” a U.S. government consultant with close ties to Israel said. “Why oppose it? We’ll be able to hunt down and bomb missiles, tunnels, and bunkers from the air. It would be a demo for Iran.”
A Pentagon consultant said that the Bush White House “has been agitating for some time to find a reason for a preëmptive blow against Hezbollah.” He added, “It was our intent to have Hezbollah diminished, and now we have someone else doing it.”

The consultant added, “Israel began with Cheney. It wanted to be sure that it had his support and the support of his office and the Middle East desk of the National Security Council.” After that, “persuading Bush was never a problem, and Condi Rice was on board,” the consultant said.
The initial plan, as outlined by the Israelis, called for a major bombing campaign in response to the next Hezbollah provocation, according to the Middle East expert with knowledge of U.S. and Israeli thinking. Israel believed that, by targeting Lebanon’s infrastructure, including highways, fuel depots, and even the civilian runways at the main Beirut airport, it could persuade Lebanon’s large Christian and Sunni populations to turn against Hezbollah, according to the former senior intelligence official. The airport, highways, and bridges, among other things, have been hit in the bombing campaign. The Israeli Air Force had flown almost nine thousand missions as of last week.

The Israeli plan, according to the former senior intelligence official, was “the mirror image of what the United States has been planning for Iran.”

Cheney’s point, the former senior intelligence official said, was “What if the Israelis execute their part of this first, and it’s really successful? It’d be great. We can learn what to do in Iran by watching what the Israelis do in Lebanon.”
The Pentagon consultant told me that intelligence about Hezbollah and Iran is being mishandled by the White House the same way intelligence had been when, in 2002 and early 2003, the Administration was making the case that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. “The big complaint now in the intelligence community is that all of the important stuff is being sent directly to the top—at the insistence of the White House—and not being analyzed at all, or scarcely,” he said. “It’s an awful policy and violates all of the N.S.A.’s strictures, and if you complain about it you’re out,” he said. “Cheney had a strong hand in this.”

The surprising strength of Hezbollah’s resistance, and its continuing ability to fire rockets into northern Israel in the face of the constant Israeli bombing, the Middle East expert told me, “is a massive setback for those in the White House who want to use force in Iran. And those who argue that the bombing will create internal dissent and revolt in Iran are also set back.”
Nonetheless, some officers serving with the Joint Chiefs of Staff remain deeply concerned that the Administration will have a far more positive assessment of the air campaign than they should, the former senior intelligence official said. “There is no way that Rumsfeld and Cheney will draw the right conclusion about this,” he said. “When the smoke clears, they’ll say it was a success, and they’ll draw reinforcement for their plan to attack Iran.”
In the White House, especially in the Vice-President’s office, many officials believe that the military campaign against Hezbollah is working and should be carried forward.

A high-level American military planner told me, “We have a lot of vulnerability in the region, and we’ve talked about some of the effects of an Iranian or Hezbollah attack on the Saudi regime and on the oil infrastructure.” There is special concern inside the Pentagon, he added, about the oil-producing nations north of the Strait of Hormuz. “We have to anticipate the unintended consequences,” he told me. “Will we be able to absorb a barrel of oil at one hundred dollars? There is this almost comical thinking that you can do it all from the air, even when you’re up against an irregular enemy with a dug-in capability. You’re not going to be successful unless you have a ground presence, but the political leadership never considers the worst case. These guys only want to hear the best case.”

Posted by: b | Aug 13 2006 17:19 utc | 2

There went another bit of anthropological lore into the trash – the notion that humans are brighter than llamas..
Where I live they have more intelligent uses for them. They’re in the Guest Program for Old Folks. They get them certified & go visiting w/dogs, etc. for the delight of people locked in old age homes. You’ll see someone walking down the street w/2 of them on their way visiting. I was out w/a young dog one day. He, as a 1+ yr. old couldn’t figure out what the hell it was & if he should be scared or not by this huge whatchacallit…he went off to chew some grass. Came back a few mins. later & the whatchacallit was still standing there w/me calmly talking to its owner. By then he figured out that it couldn’t be too dangerous, so he stood next to me. The llama was reciprocally intrigued, and came over & planted a Big Kiss on his nose. It all happened w/such speed, that he didn’t have time to budge!!

Posted by: jj | Aug 13 2006 17:21 utc | 3

The Llamas are very wise. Wouldn’t it be nice if all soldiers on both sides sat down and refused to move, too.

Posted by: hopping madbunny | Aug 13 2006 18:33 utc | 4

“It’s a sign! A Sign From God!!” someone shouted. They all agreed that it was most definitely a Sign From God and began to do the usual sort of thing one does when faced with a sign from God, which mostly seemed to involve a lot of kneel, bowing, contorting, moaning and basically anything else that occurred to them.
“It’s an omen!” they cried. “Surely a sign from God!” By this time, however, they were running rather low on signs from the perfect one himself. Thus spake, Brigadier General Yosef Mishlev of the IDF.
And with that they turned to the the intelligence the Great Noodle Monster in the Sky gave them and listened. May the beneficence of His noodly appendage grace our efforts!
Pass the red tomato sauce! More blood cried the elders.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 13 2006 18:42 utc | 5

Captain Haddock, in Tintin, had no luck with llamas either.
They spat in his face. Repeatedly.
Bombing a place to bits is one kind of strategy, when you then have to move about in the terrain that also becomes difficult.
Donkeys. Loyal, steadfast hardworking, even-tempered, amenable!
Camels are the best but there aren’t any, afaik, in Lebanon, and hey, wouldn’t that be too …whatever?

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 13 2006 19:22 utc | 6

Billmon wrote in “Kabuki Offensive“:

It contains the same asymetrical language as the first draft on the nature of the ceasefire — that is, Hizbullah is told to halt “all attacks” while Israel is expected to stop all “offensive actions.” Some have seen this as cover for a continued IDF onslaught, under the Israeli logic that all its actions are defensive. But I continue to see it as a meaningless distinction designed to avoid the appearance that Hizbullah and Israel are being placed on an equal footing.

Well, not quite:

Israeli officials said Israel believed it would be entitled to use force to prevent Hizbollah from rearming and to clear guerrilla positions out of southern Lebanon after the truce took effect. They said such “defensive” operations were permissible under the U.N. resolution to end the fighting.
Western diplomats and U.N. officials said they feared Israel’s broad definition of “defensive” actions could lead to a resurgence in large-scale fighting and prevent the swift deployment of international troops meant to monitor a cease-fire. [Reuters]

Posted by: DoDo | Aug 13 2006 19:32 utc | 7

pretty much confirms this
Israel has nearly tripled the number of forces in Lebanon as part of its expanded ground war, and expects to fight for another week, despite a United Nations cease-fire resolution, IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said Saturday.
also, note israel is humping for the international forces, kind ups the ante… “the world” against hezbollah. the other aspect of the international forces, when the shit hits the fan on iran, there will be a thick heavily armed protective border all for the benefit of israel. meanwhile who is protecting the lebanese? what if the UN troops don’t get w/the program and start siding w/hezbollah? what are the chances of that?

Posted by: annie | Aug 13 2006 19:47 utc | 8

If the French do eventually lead this UNIFIL force, they will have their MANPADS directed at Israeli planes.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 13 2006 20:08 utc | 9

If the French do eventually lead this UNIFIL force, they will have their MANPADS directed at Israeli planes.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 13 2006 20:08 utc | 10

If the French do eventually lead this UNIFIL force, they will have their MANPADS directed at Israeli planes.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 13 2006 20:09 utc | 11

Sorry for triple posting

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 13 2006 20:10 utc | 12

Cloned Poster
The French want to get back into the game. They’ll get suckered like the last time doing Israel’s work of suppressing the Hezbollah fighters. They will never fire at the IAF or IDF – no UN organization has. This cease-fire aint going to work. Its only a matter of time for it flare up again. Israel has lost face big time. They’ll want to make it back.

Posted by: ab initio | Aug 13 2006 20:52 utc | 13

Look out, there are llamas. – Monty Python warned us well.
On Fox News Sunday there was a new talking head, a very refreshing break from Charles K. and Bill Kristol – Elizabeth from NPR. She said that the cease fire depends upon what Israel deems defensive, and she said it in a way that indicated how liberal an interpretation that would be. Wish I had kept the tivo of it, because it leads right into Billmon’s latest.

Posted by: gregor | Aug 13 2006 23:48 utc | 14

Look out, there are llamas. – Monty Python warned us well.
On Fox News Sunday there was a new talking head, a very refreshing break from Charles K. and Bill Kristol – Elizabeth from NPR. She said that the cease fire depends upon what Israel deems defensive, and she said it in a way that indicated how liberal an interpretation that would be. Wish I had kept the tivo of it, because it leads right into Billmon’s latest.

Posted by: gregor | Aug 13 2006 23:49 utc | 15

Look out, there are llamas. – Monty Python warned us well.
On Fox News Sunday there was a new talking head, a very refreshing break from Charles K. and Bill Kristol – Elizabeth from NPR. She said that the cease fire depends upon what Israel deems defensive, and she said it in a way that indicated how liberal an interpretation that would be. Wish I had kept the tivo of it, because it leads right into Billmon’s latest.

Posted by: gregor | Aug 13 2006 23:49 utc | 16

OK, I don’t quite know how I did that, but I wish I could take back two of them.

Posted by: gregor | Aug 13 2006 23:50 utc | 17

I wonder if the those were Dalai Lamas

Posted by: TustonDAZ | Aug 14 2006 0:42 utc | 18

I wonder if the ceasefire will eventually be interpreted as a Israel being free to bomb any suspected Hezbollah position south of the Litani.

Posted by: still working it out | Aug 14 2006 1:30 utc | 19

shades of guns, germs & steel — llamas are not pack animals and therefore are not as obediant as classic European draft animals (ox, horses, etc.)

Posted by: Diana | Aug 14 2006 1:31 utc | 20

Refuseniks!

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 14 2006 1:54 utc | 21

Look out, there are llamas

Posted by: Rowan | Aug 14 2006 2:15 utc | 22

Language has ceased to be, I guess.
Front page of WAPO now: Cease-Fire Takes Effect – More fighting expected.
A few discrepancies of logic pass for nothing against that kind of nonsense.

Posted by: SteinL | Aug 14 2006 5:14 utc | 23

“I for one welcome our Viking overlords.” Sorry for the terrible old joke but I just noticed that SteinL is posting with a .no email address. So our stable of informed commenters is growing.
And that’s a good thing. As for the llamas, where in the world did that idea come from, I guess it is the Washington Post making fun of Israel?
It’s actually an informative story, dateline:
By Molly Moore and Edward Cody
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, August 12, 2006; A16
JERUSALEM, Aug. 11
[here’s the last two paragraphs]
“The battle between the IDF and Hezbollah is reminiscent of the famous Tom and Jerry cartoons by Hanna-Barbera,” Barnea [Nahum Barnea, one of Israel’s leading political commentators] wrote, using the abbreviation for Israel Defense Forces. “Tom is a strong, ambitious cat. Jerry is a weak but clever mouse. Jerry teases Tom. Tom fights back. In every conflict between them, Jerry wins.”
“There is no sense investing in a lost cause,” Barnea continued. “Adding more ground forces to those already stuck in Lebanon will not bring about the hoped-for turnabout in the Lebanese gamble. With American support, Israel still has a chance of getting out of this war with decent accomplishments. Take what they’re offering you, Ehud Olmert. Take it and run.”
But llamas? I guess that since the US Special Forces guys rode camels, or was it horses, in Afghanistan, there is still room for livestock in modern war. Or whatever. The details are important but in the long run they distract — I guess distracting details might as well be funny. I’ve no humor to add, although I note from another thread that apparently Israel is using depleted uranium shells on its own border … not good. I wonder if they are homemade or imported?

Posted by: jonku | Aug 14 2006 6:50 utc | 24

Another, rather less important, point grabs my attention. Even the llamas that Israel drafted in to help out proved to be evildoers, simply sitting on their arses when ordered to proceed through Lebanese terrain with the supplies. This is not the first time animals have proven uncooperative when used in combat. When Russian forces in World War II trained dogs strapped with bombs to run under enemy tanks, it somehow did not occur to them that the dogs would actually run under the Russian tanks they had been trained with and blow up the home team. Similarly, when the Americans tried to strap bats with incendiary devices stuffed with napalm in the hope of setting them loose on Japanese towns at dawn whereupon they would nestly in the eaves only to be detonated as the townspeople were waking up and reduce all those paper and wooden houses to ashes, they forgot to take note of the wind: during a training exercise when they tried to set them loose on a model town constructed in a New Mexico desert, the wind carried all the bats flying back to headquarters and burnt up a brand new air base. Filthy animals.
http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/08/israeli-officials-blame-bush-for-war.html

Posted by: John | Aug 16 2006 9:24 utc | 25