Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 3, 2006
Premature Ejaculation +

Billmon:

Hirohito Watch and Mysterious Failure

Bernhard:

Five thoughts on Lebanon:

There were cultural(1) and economic(2) reasons for Israel to attack Lebanon. But there are several hints that the current attack is a premature ejaculation(3).  Disarming Hizbullah is only possible by rearranging the inner Lebanese political system(4). An effective UN force in Lebanon will need a tough air-defense and marine component. A new Lebanese political system has to evolve to secure that nation(5).

1. There is a deep cultural reason, why Israel had to destroy Lebanon. Israel and its U.S. supporters need the clash of civilization myth. They need the picture of Islam as a dangerous civilization that can only be hold back by a Christian-Jewish coalition.

A striving multicultural, multiethic, multireligion country in peace and prosperity right next door to Israel endangers the picture the likutnik and neocons try to paint. Pope John Paul II described Lebanon not only as a country, but as a message for all peoples of a balanced coexistence among peoples of different religions and confessions. Could there be any greater danger to the Hebrew state, the first modern theocracy?

A state that surrounds itself with walls to stay away from its neighbours can not survive when an open secular democracy, even an imperfect one, is blooming next door.

This was on Israeli leaders mind when they argued that the general destruction of infrastructure, would turn the non-Shia Lebanese against Hizbullah. A new civil war in Lebanon would destroy the model Israel fears. So far this has not happened and this objective has not been achieved, but there are voices in Lebanon that call for such a civil war as soon as the war with Israel is over.

2. A second reason why Israel did attack Lebanon is economic competition. Beirut had quite high growth rates during the last years. International companies opened bureaus, tourism and trade achieved record numbers. As Noirette pointed out, the French-language Swiss press is openly discussing the economic background of Israels attack on Lebanon. She cites l’Hebdo:

Israel is deliberately destroying the economy of Lebanon, as it is its competitor in the areas of tourism, banking and transport …

I have seen similar thoughts in the Lebanese and Turkish media.

Before 1948 Haifa was the areas trade center. After the Israeli state was founded, a lot of this (arab) trade went to Beirut. These two cities are direct competitors.

The all-out warfare against Lebanon in the first days was definitly not targeted on Hizbullah but did hit obviously pure economic infrastructure like powerplants and even a diary factory. This war will throw the Lebanese economy back some 20 years. Unemployment will jump while special important skills of former (and now again) ex-patriots will be lacking.

3. At a point I asked if this war is a premature ejaculation of the October surprise and there are several hints to this.

After Hizbullah took two Israeli soldiers as POWs, the Israeli chief of staff presented one plan, and only one plan, to the civil administration. That plan was the same that had been presented around certain circles in the U.S. for some month before this wars started.

The plan consisted of a phase one all-out air attack we did see and a second phase of fast ethnic cleansing of Lebanon up the Litani river. The second phase was called off for some time by Olmert and Perez because the troops to implement this were not ready. It is now getting implemented but only half-hearted.

The ammunition and bombs Israel did buy were planed to be delivered later this year. Usually such transports are done by ship. Now they had to be rushed to Israel via an air bridge.

But imagine how much easier the second phase would have been, if the troops would have been ready, like during a big fall maneuver, the ammunition would have been in place and the world public would look at a much bigger war scene in Iran.

Hizbullah chief Nazrallah did expect this war but he expected it to be launched in October:

In his statement on Al-Manar, the secretary general declared that Hizbullah knew Israel intended to launch a major military operation in October.

The former chief of the Pakistani secret service ISI, Hameed Gul, predicts a U.S. war on Iran and Syria for October this year.

In the current political landscape in the U.S. a landslide win for the Democrats in the November election is a serious possibility. There is nothing more to fear for the Cheney administration than John Conyers jr. presiding the House Judiciary Committee and having subpoena powers. A big patriotic war on Iran and Syria might be the only chance to avoid this.

So my theory is that a plan existed and exists for the U.S. and Israel (and Britain?) to  attack Iran, Syria and Lebanon in October. The Israeli part of this plan was started premature only because of a mistake in the Israeli reaction to the POW taking.

Such a plan would also explain the otherwise irrational U.S. behaviour versus Syria.

The current situation is a good chance to bring peace between Israel and Syria and to drive Syria away from Iran. Giving back the Golan Heights to Syria for a Syrian promise of non-intervention in Lebanon plus a cut off of Hizbullah from military supply through Syria should be an attractive deal to all sides. Unless someone does not want a deal at all, but has something different in mind.

I still have to think through how this premature war on Lebanon might effect the October plans. Please let me know your ideas.

4. This point is one I found in Joshua Landis recent interview. The Lebanese political system was introduce in 1943 based on a census done in 1932. The seats in the parliament were divided on a 6-to-5 ratio of Christians to Muslims. Through emigration of mostly Christians and high birth rates within the Muslim communities the demographics have changed significantly. The representation ratio in the parliament was changed to 50:50 in the 1989 Taif accord. But this still does not represent the current demografic distribution.

The CIA world fact book estimates 60% of Lebanese people being Muslim. Within the underrepresented Muslim community, the Shia are again underrepresented. Landis estimates that one Sunni vote equals two Shia votes. Juan Cole has estimated that Shia are some 40% of the total population. Landis explains that a informal side deal within the Taif accord, a Shia condition guaranteed by Syria, was for the underrepresented Shia Hizbullah to be allowed to keep its weapons.

As long as the Shia are underrepresented, they will of course stick to this deal and these weapons. To convince them to disarm will only be possible if they can achieve a political role that represents the demographic facts.

5. The mandate under which new UN troops really could help Lebanon must take into account the above mentioned points and therefore should be primarily focused on guaranteeing the integrity and security of the Lebanese state.

These are endangered from the outside by Israel and Syria and from the inside by sectarian strife.

Since it departed from Lebanon in 2000 Israel has continuesly violate Lebanon’s air- and seaspace. This has been documented in several UN papers. Israeli war planes did intrude Lebanese airspace nearly daily. This at low attitudes and sometimes even with braking the sound barrier deep within Lebanon’s territory.

To deter Israel from continuing this, the UN force should include significant (3 batallions worth) of high and low attitude air defense. Overtime it could train the Lebanese army to handle the systems and donate them to Lebanon when its mandate runs out. For the same reason some small navy capability should be included. An armoured infantry brigade should secure the southern boarder in both directions by strict control of an area of 1 kilometer of no man’s land north and south of the boarder (shoot on sight order within a more narrow part of this corridor.)

Lebanon has been part of a greater Syria until the parting French colonial power decided it to be in its favor to cut Syria up into pieces. It is not possible to correct this. But one has to acknowledge that there is a deep cultural and political relation between Syria and Lebanon and some Syrian involvement will always be there. But I do not see any immediate danger of a Syrian military involvement in Lebanon.

The relations between the countries have to stay, but the weapon flow from Syria to Lebanon should stop. A (civil) UN component could take control of the boarder traffic points and control at least some of this flow. Air reconaissances and a mobile interdiction border guard component could subdue green boarder smuggling. It will be impossible to hinder all weapon flow, but these measure would make a difference in the size of such a flow.

To disarm Hizbullah by military means is impossible, there has to be a political solution. The Shia will demand a real representation as substitution for their weapons. The other groups do fear a dictatorship of the muslim majority. A model for a democratic system taking this into account could be a parliament with two chambers. A "house" elected without quotas in general elections for day-to-day business and a "senate" with significant overweight quota for smaller constituencies would guarantee a balance. Such a "senate" would be involved in all power altering decisions including the budget. The "senators" would be voted for within the different constituencies.

Only the protection of Lebanon’s security form outside and inside enemies can induce the return of international business and an economic and cultural revival.

The above scetched plan is of course not in the interest of Israel (see 1 and 2) and their protection power (see 3). It is therefore unlikely to be implemented.

But maybe some components can be negotiated into the coming temporary solution. France, the most likely "taker" of the UN mandate, will at least request some of these elements. Pressure by the EU on Israel (i.e. commerce restrictions) should give it some leeway.

Still the big question is of course the planed neocon October war orgasm and how its build up can be interupted. If it can not be avoided, all bets, not only in Lebanon but in the greater Middle East and beyond, are off the table.

Comments

crossposted at Dkos – please recommend.

Posted by: b | Aug 3 2006 20:14 utc | 1

done b.

Posted by: crone | Aug 3 2006 20:18 utc | 2

Excellent. I agree. Israel popped their gun early. The wing-nuts leaders bought into the Air Force “Shock and Awe” con job and started the war without ground forces in place. Not unexpected from delusional True Believers.
Three factors are in play; Bringing on the End of Time; Killing as many radical Muslims as possible on the cheap, and Avoiding the loss of Congress in the November elections.

Posted by: Jim S | Aug 3 2006 20:20 utc | 3

Great posts.
I guess a question is whether the October “Surprise” will bring about the intended results for the War Party?
I’m torn about this question. Between hope and fear. I’d be interested in others’ thoughts.

Posted by: NickM | Aug 3 2006 20:30 utc | 4

B.
Good posting – my compliments and I’m not saying that just because I agree with much of what you’ve written. I’m covering much the same ground as you but I’m doing it from a systems point of view and working through it on the basis of “If I were an Israeli officer what would I be worried about?”
This is something I used to do regularly in my peacekeeper days (yes in Lebabon) so I’m not completely unaccustomed. I’m interested to see how much my stuff overlaps with yours.
Just to make a quick point:
I see that the US is trumpeting how they plan on helping build up the Lebanese army. We’re been here before:
Lebanese Army Modernization Program more recently though Siniora asked for help and got it:
The U.S. State Department has asked for US$40 million in FY 2007 to spend on scholarships and educational institutions in Lebanon. Also for Lebanon, State has asked for US$5 million in grants for U.S. military hardware and services and another US$1 million for training military personnel.
Interesting that the left hand ran away with the right hand no?
I agree with you about October.
And now back to doing what I should be doing. I’ll drop back later.
markfromireland
PS: My thanks to Siun of Lespeakeasy for recommending here.

Posted by: markfromireland | Aug 3 2006 20:38 utc | 5

b, I would recon over at dkos, but they have all but banned me…I can’t post diaries, nor comment, nor will they return my many e-mails to their contact/tech support, about losing my hotlist as well as my tu status.
All I can do is observe, which would be fine had I not lost my hotlist, I’m
terribly upset about that.
It all started after I mentioned Diebold one to many times as far as I can figure out. It’s quite possible that has nothing to do w/it. But one wonders. Good luck, great post!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 3 2006 21:00 utc | 6

#2 on b’s post: Barring future attacks (a big “if”), this will only set the economy back 7 years, and unemployment will fall in the scramble to rebuild.
#5: Too many shoulds to address. I also believe that, to some extent this is a proxy war between Russia/China and the west, for control of the middle east. This should only drive the two asian giants closer together. But Russia has particularly strong ties in Syria. France will have to be the interlocutor.
I agree with everything else. Good post.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 3 2006 21:10 utc | 7

You mean Diebold is not the number one issue at KOS? I’m shocked, shocked.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 3 2006 21:12 utc | 8

Here is an image for premature ejaculation to go with this post b.
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/tank-down.jpg

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 3 2006 21:16 utc | 9

@Malooga – this is a proxy war between Russia/China and the west
The Turkish press I follow is seeing a proxy war between the US and the EU with China and the other asian forces being a third power. There is something to this.
The relativly short land connection does make the ME the energy center for Europe while the US can only control access to the ME by navy forces but can not really use ME energy sources.
China has energy just up north, i.e. Siberia and will either deal or fight for that with Russia.
@CP – that tank picture is old and -as far as I can tell- a US M1 not an Israeli Merkava.

Posted by: b | Aug 3 2006 21:25 utc | 10

b,
Aqui un Merkava en picada…

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 3 2006 22:09 utc | 11

Here’s a Russia link, among others.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 3 2006 22:48 utc | 12

b:
I guess you can say that the danger of upheaveal in the Middle East is that, being so central, it naturally becomes a proxy war for EVERYONE. (Except those that are doing the dying.)

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 3 2006 22:51 utc | 13

Have been reading the good blogs for days and have yet to see an analysis of the rovian election strategy at play in the attack on Lebanon.
Israel is obviously the giant wedge between the Democratic Party leadership and pundits (totally cowed by AIPAC) and the Democratic base (naturally repelled by jingoistic militarism). With one deft blow of the IDF mallet Karl has driven this wedge deep into what was barely starting to resemble a challenge to his 4th Reich. Even Howard Dean has felt compelled to made a total ass of himself over the Maliki comments. I would guess that those remarks were penned in the WH, giving a tiny bone to Maliki for his relatively non-existent base while advancing Karl’s agenda of demonizing the Shia (the next puppet’s probably supposed to be a Sunni anyway) at the same time he slips the Dems a poisoned red herring.
I wish one of the big blog brains would tackle this soon; as usual Karl has a two week lead and appears to be pulling away fast.

Posted by: nationofbloodthirstysheep | Aug 3 2006 22:54 utc | 14

Interesting take there nobts, I’ll keep that in mind and rumi-nate on it. thanks.
We are living in a science-fiction world where Disney and Disney’s
science-fiction have won.
~Bob Dylan

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 3 2006 23:01 utc | 15

Well, could it be possible that, expecting the main attack in October, either Hezbullah or Iran directly decided it would be better to provoke Israel and see if they could go berserk before they were ready to strike? Sort of pre-emptive kidnapping, pre-emptively pushing Israel to war before the board has been set by US and IDF.
And if Israel has to accept a tie, a stalemate, or even something resembling a strategic defeat, which still looks likely, would it derail the October plan, would it mean that a disgusted or depressed IDF – or at least Israeli people – wouldn’t want to take part to war on Syria and/or Iran?

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 3 2006 23:09 utc | 16

Re: an “October Surprise”
I speculated before that Israel would be allowed to wreak havoc on Lebanon for reasons numbers 1 and 2 that Bernhard cites. I think the original plan was for Condi to go in after a pre-arranged period of time to “broker” a cease-fire which would give her and this administration diplomatic credentials they currently lack in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of their base in the GOP party (I’d say in the eyes of the American voter, but that hardly seems necessary). This probably fell through because of Rove’s Law regarding when to roll out a new product.

Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 3 2006 23:12 utc | 17

The good news is that “WWIII” is probably on hold for the ’08 election because the surprise is for ’06 is already in.
And it’s a rovian surprise; traditionally anti-semitic xian fundamentalists and AIPAC combine to paralize Dem candidates; CNN and FOX select Lamont v. Lieberman as the poster race for the rest of the season; Lieberman retains his customary lack of appeal, and Lamont makes wierd buggy expressions which are replayed endlessly.
The Ripoffagains don’t care who wins Ct. as long as the Dems look bad enough. Candidates in the rest of the country, at the urging of the DLC try to outdo one another in their support for Israel doing whatever awful thing it wants; and half the Dem base stays home because they don’t seem to have a horse in the race.

Posted by: nationofbloodthirstysheep | Aug 3 2006 23:51 utc | 18

b,
GREAT POST!
Not to be argumentative, but it takes time to destroy a nation, supply routes, etc. October is not so far away. Perhaps all of this isn’t so “premature”. Airlifting bombs is a good argument that it is not going as scheduled, but a counter argument can be made of “just in time” procurement.
As you pointed out very well, Lebanon was growing as a multicultural, secular nation beyond anyone’s expectations. This was such a stupid move by the U.S./Israel alliance and the destruction of the social, culture, government and economy of Lebanon has been so immense, that it is hard to contemplate what could possibly put the Lebanon nation back together again. I see only worse things ahead for quite some time. It is hard to imagine a strong U.N. peacekeeping force in Lebanon and if there was, the effectiveness of military U.N. boarder patrols stopping the weapons flow is doubtful to me. I do hope I am wrong about all this, as a strong U.N. Force could maybe do the trick in allowing for peace.

Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 4 2006 0:21 utc | 19

A George Burns might quip, “Making it to October would be a surprise!”

Posted by: biklett | Aug 4 2006 1:21 utc | 20

i am watching at this moment in france at three in the morning the bombing of beirut
i think all bets are off
what kind of world is this?

Posted by: r’giap | Aug 4 2006 1:29 utc | 21

what kind of world? at this moment, my mother fights for life in an icu.
that’s what kind of world it is.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 4 2006 1:37 utc | 22

people struggling to breath.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 4 2006 1:38 utc | 23

people struggling to breath.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 4 2006 1:38 utc | 24

i will think of you, slothrop
as i think now of all that is going under those bombs, of all that is going under
all the names of the lebanese dead need be known – ages, sex, work – their stories – as valuable & potentially rich as anyone else – need to be known
knowing now, there will be many more to come
force et tendresse

Posted by: r’giap | Aug 4 2006 1:43 utc | 25

i want to add to what b has given us today but i feel this juggernaut of criminal & vicious stupidity is capable of going anywhere & i mean anywhere very quickly
this i know deeply is the last indignity the people of the arab world will suffer, the oppressed everywhere see the game being played out at its most brutal
& there will be consequences, immediate consequences & that show & tell story blair gave this morning is truly hollowed out by what is happening this night – his abc primer of middle eastern politics no doubt learnt at the feet of rice & her criminal crew – is what an english diplomat (the ex english ambassador to libya on cnn tonight) called it tonight – infantile, completely ignorant of the facts, he spoke of them having lost their way & he spoke too of the disastrous policies of iraq & of afghanistan & of the consequences that will follow

Posted by: r’giap | Aug 4 2006 1:52 utc | 26

@Rick Lebanon was growing as a multicultural, secular nation beyond anyone’s expectations
Back in the years when I was an exchange student in the Middle East, I spent a few semesters in Beirut. This was long before the civil war turned it into a smoldering ruin. Lebanon then was a “multicultural secular nation,” with French being the second language. Wide boulevards, cultural events, art galleries, street cafes, sunsets over the Mediterranean, a benevolent climate and a generous, cultured and upbeat population really did make it the “Paris of the East.”
After the civil war was over, I watched the people of Lebanon began to rebuild their cities and their lives again and put the hate behind them. It’s been a long trek back, and Beirut was just beginning to take on the appearance and air of what it had been before when Israel bombing is destroying it again. But Beirut and the rest of Lebanon will be rebuilt again, and I hope it will be permanent. Maybe I will still be alive to visit one more time. If not, someone go for me.
As for Isreal, remember that what goes around, comes around.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 4 2006 1:59 utc | 27

this is a proxy war between Russia/China and the west
The Turkish press I follow is seeing a proxy war between the US and the EU with China and the other asian forces being a third power. There is something to this.
Posted by: b | Aug 3, 2006 5:25:39 PM | 10

@b
I don’t want to sound a little flippant here, but is there someone you have left out of this proxy war? I mean outside of Canada and Australia, you have basically just identified the entire G8 and follow a line of argumentation that has them fighting each other in a proxy war. Sometimes I think we need to take a step back and reasses the situation. I think there are much more obvious rationales.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 4 2006 2:15 utc | 28

And on the news hour (tonoght) sen. warner and reed looking ever so serious and grave, talking resolutely about Iraq — in the most fantastical and twisted hairball lexicon this side of reality, mincing and tipptoeing through the tulips of death of their own sowing. All with a tightness so brittle it looked like they might shatter into a million tiny fragments if someone dared touch them.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 4 2006 2:18 utc | 29

“It’s been a long trek back, and Beirut was just beginning to take on the appearance and air of what it had been before when Israel bombing is destroying it again. But Beirut and the rest of Lebanon will be rebuilt again, and I hope it will be permanent.”
Alas, this doesn’t seem to be Lebanon’s fate. To borrow Porfirio Díaz’s line about Mexico: Pity poor Lebanon, so far from God, so close to Israel.

Posted by: billmon | Aug 4 2006 2:18 utc | 30

Wasn’t it Billmon who said amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics? How is such an October War supposed to be won? Not from the air surely. And on the ground, with what troops? I am clueless as to what Gul is up to these days, but unless Uncle Sam and his apprentice Shrub have a magic wand, I don’t see what is to be achieved by going to war. Rove talked about medium-size wars as being good for a president, not Armageddon with $500 oil per barrel. Iraq was a nutty undertaking, but idiots could make it sound rational. But this one…?
You may have read that a “million man march” to protest the invasion of Lebanon has been called by Sadr in Baghdad for tomorrow. Contrast this with the lone protester who was arrested in Amman. It is democracy the US has to FEAR in the then formerly “Saudi” Arabia, in Iraq, in Syria, certainly in Pakistan. Replace Musharaf with whom? Compared to him even Imran Khan sounds like a Taliban.
So I have to say I doubt your scenario.
That Rice isn’t talking to Syria and Iran is entirely explainable by the administration’s superiority complex: if you can’t talk down, don’t talk at all.
They are just playing with fire a little bit.
Where would I reconsider? If they managed to get the Europeans on board. But to do that they would need a massive terror attack in Europe, much bigger than 7/7.
Luck had it that just today two bombs were found on German trains. One was accompanied by a plastic bag that had arabic script from it — “apparently” from Beirut.
Still: Who wants $500 Dollar oil? Why?

Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 4 2006 2:32 utc | 31

Billmon, fitting for today, but wait a decade & that will probably be a splendid epitaph for Israel, after xAm. collapses from imperial over-reach after Iran invasion, or even without it – so far from God (& America) so close to the Arab World.
That is so close to the minds of thoughtful Israelis that Haaretz just printed article by Israeli journo & historian urging that Israel look to Europe rather than America, since the former is closer to them & has learned to co-exist w/the Arabs.Even Israelis Urged to Shun Brutality of the United States
Israel’s elites, in all fields, are made up of people who spent a number of years in the United States and returned with not only professional skills but also an appreciation for the value of the individual and basic freedoms. For the most part, this was a useful process, even though it did contribute to a fading of social compassion. This process of Americanization has led Israel in recent years to covet a role in what Bush has described as a war on the “axis of evil.”
As such, Israel has adopted the moral values of Hezbollah: Whatever they are doing to the residents of northern Israel, we can also do to the citizens of Lebanon, and even more. Many Israelis tended to look at the Qana incident primarily as a media disaster and not as something that imposed on them any ethical responsibility. After all, the restrictions of humanitarian warfare are not applicable to the “axis of evil.” …
If Europe had some say in the region, Israel may have started negotiations with Hezbollah on the release of the soldiers it abducted – and hopefully, it still will do so – instead of getting mixed up in war. For some years now, more Middle East-related wisdom emanates from Europe than from the United States. It wasn’t Europe but the United States that invented the diplomatic fable called the road map; it wasn’t Europe but the United States that encouraged unilateral disengagement and is allowing Israel to continue oppressing the population in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The United States is not engaged with Syria; Europe is. Syria is relevant not only for settling the situation in Lebanon, but also in managing relations with the Palestinians. This is the real problem. Because, even if the United States conquers Tehran, we will still have to live with the Palestinians. In Europe, they already understand this.

Posted by: jj | Aug 4 2006 2:38 utc | 32

hopeful meditations, slothrop — hang in there —

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 4 2006 2:43 utc | 33

$500 a barrel oil is never brought up either from peak oil or bombing Iran. Delusional true believers simply don’t hear Inconvenient Truths.
What they do hear is God telling him to bomb, bomb, bomb the evil doers.

Posted by: Jim S | Aug 4 2006 2:55 utc | 34

slothrop- stay strong

Posted by: b real | Aug 4 2006 3:01 utc | 35

Ensley,
I used to travel unafraid. I have been to countries in Europe, but never to the MidEast or FarEast. I always wanted to travel to countries like Lebanon and Iraq. Sadly, I don’t see traveling to Iraq as feasible any more in my lifetime. I hope I don’t say the same for Lebanon, but thanks to the actions of the U.S., that dream is probably now ruined also. I don’t understand any of this. Too many selfish and ugly “I”‘s in this paragraph, especially as we witness the death of such Beauty as you describe … Like Billmon says, “Pity poor Lebanon, so far from God, so close to Israel”
I repeat, I don’t understand any of this. And there is no way only 900 Lebanese are dead from all this – no way, no way.

Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 4 2006 3:06 utc | 36

I know the introjection of personal suffering into public conversation is in poor taste, but finding my mother gasping for air impressed me that in spite of everything, humans want to live, even the ones who don’t. even as an autonomic response, we demand life, until the very end. and this deserves great respect.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 4 2006 3:10 utc | 37

slothrop,
Your introjections are NOT in poor taste. Our thoughts here are with you and your Mother for sure. It was in poor taste that I finished my thoughts and pressed “Post” before stopping and responding to you and your Mother’s suffering.

Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 4 2006 3:19 utc | 38

b. excellent , thank you so much, ties in a whole conglamoration of aspects i have been reading about in the foriegn press. especially the landis link. will come back later( my son is clawing for the computer) w/questions re hizbollah and why any lebanese would want to disband it.
haven’t had time to read the whole thread.
one more thing, i frequently forget you aren’t one of us, but that word landslight? wow! it’s landslide….
as in downhill. i wish it were lands light.

Posted by: annie | Aug 4 2006 3:20 utc | 39

thinking of you, slothrop. peace to you and yours.

Posted by: fauxreal | Aug 4 2006 3:20 utc | 40

yes slothrop… it does indeed demand great respect… namaste
seems Americans have lost that respect… we see death and dying all over the tube, and turn our backs, as if it is some movie, or even more remote — a video game.

Posted by: crone | Aug 4 2006 3:22 utc | 41

Slothrop: Best wishes.

Posted by: citizen k | Aug 4 2006 3:26 utc | 42

@Sloth:
Best hopes for you and your Mom.
Won’t talk about hanging in there.
But if we don’t hang together we hang seperately.
Somebody famous said that, long ago.
Good luck.

Posted by: Miss Manners | Aug 4 2006 3:28 utc | 43

@slothrop #37
Your most insightful post ever here, a great leap forward in maturity in my admittedly meaningless opinion. Good thoughts for your mother, and for you in a difficult time.

Posted by: mats | Aug 4 2006 3:29 utc | 44

Ensly writes “As for Isreal, remember that what goes around, comes around.“, but if that were true the whole human race would be on the verge of extinction. Well on second thought …
God gave noah the rainbow sign
said no more water
the fire next time

Posted by: citizen k | Aug 4 2006 3:34 utc | 45

“Lebanon was growing as a multicultural, secular nation beyond anyone’s expectations.”
Sorry to prick your balloon, but you have evidently never lived there. Lebanon secular? My ass. Yes it LOOKS secular, in the “right” areas (that’s where Fisk lives), but behind the fake facade absolutely everything in the country is sectarian and based on religion. Politics, social life, everything. Fuck, you can’t even get a secular marriage certificate there, a holy man has to officiate.
Lebanon from the get-go has been a nombrilistic, sectarian nightmare. And all that Saudi money used for reconstruction of yet another generation of false facades hasn’t changed that one bit.
Guthman Bey: “… But the food was good.”

Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 4 2006 3:51 utc | 46

b-, too much evidence suggests the capture of Israeli soldiers was a tripwire, rather than premature. Israel had kidnapped a huge chunk of the Hamas govt., was increasing their attacks in Gaza ferociously, had also just kidnapped a Gazan Dr. & his son, then sent troops into Lebanon & had let down their patrols of the border the previous 4 days according to Haaretz. The capture of the soldiers was in retaliation for kidnapping of Dr. & is son a few days/wk before. Sounds to me that they were begging for their soldiers to be captured. Further, if they really didn’t want to start then, they had the option of negotiating rather than invading.

Posted by: jj | Aug 4 2006 4:01 utc | 47

There is some credence to the October plans. Nasrallah in a speech (translation on dKos) mentioned the plan and the reason he gave for the attack and capture of IDF soldiers was pre-emption, forcing Israel to accelerate their plans deployment even if they were not fully ready.
With all sects in Lebanon now rallying together and Hezbollah coming on top in local politics, the Lebanese political landscape will get redrawn. The Shiite demographic advantage will get reflected sooner than later in their elected bodies. The French constitution of Lebanon will see a rewrite.
What this border conflict has shown is that powerful conventional military like the IDF have a hard time with disciplined and highly motivated guerilla forces fighting on their lands. Shock & Awe does not displace such a force. Only ground forces can and every inch of land will be contested which means casualties. Another is that occupying that land means a constant dribble of casualties as the guerrilla force is constantly replenished with new recruits from the populace. In this instance Hezbollah supporters from Syria, Iraq and other countries will come in to support additional guerrilla activity.
As Hezbollah has demonstrated in the last IDF occupation of southern Lebanon, they cannot be under-estimated. They were created in the crucible of the last occupation and grew in strength and tactics and ultimately increased the cost for Israel sufficiently that they withdrew. They are substantially stronger today than then and have prepared for many years for such a conflict. They will not be defeated that easily militarily.
Until and unless there is a movement for reconciliation and forgiveness and there is a settlement acceptable to all parties the conflict in the Levant will continue. Israel with the assistance of the US has tried the military option for 60 years yet has not been able to supress their neighbors. Israel needs to recognize they cannot be a colonial power and those ambitions are incompatible with security. The Arabs need to recognize and accept that the state of Israel will exist no matter what they do. What the Levant needs is a Mandela to bring it all together!

Posted by: ab initio | Aug 4 2006 4:07 utc | 48

Peace be with you and your mom slothrop. Kind regards.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 4 2006 4:11 utc | 49

slothrop, strength to you and your mother. the struggle at this moment seems all pervasive. i wish you hope and endurance to enable you both to prevail in what must be a most anguished moment. please tell your mother your friends the world over are with her tonight.

Posted by: conchita | Aug 4 2006 4:12 utc | 50

Lebanon from the get-go has been a nombrilistic, sectarian nightmare. And all that Saudi money used for reconstruction of yet another generation of false facades hasn’t changed that one bit.
Guthman Bey: “… But the food was good.”
I’m sure the food was good and I am equally sure the society has been brimming over with sectarian hostilitites since the early 70s, at least.
And the “facade” provided by the Saudis is a very precise description of what was provided.
@Ab Initio:
Agree with what you say.
A lot of people made mistakes drawing maps and carving up things after WWI.

Posted by: Gertrude Bell | Aug 4 2006 4:47 utc | 51

@slothrop
I went through that myself in 2002, and I don’t suspect you want to hear “I know what you’re going through” any more than I did then. But I will say that it does impact your perspective, and letting us know where you’re at right now is not in poor taste.
I wish there was more that I could do than to simply wish both you and your mom peace. You’ll both be in my thoughts.

Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 4 2006 4:54 utc | 52

Slothrop, I’m sorry for the difficult times that you and your mother are going through. My prayers are with you, although that might not mean anything (or much) to you.
Bernard, thanks for taking the time to write so extensively about various threads to think about here.
I have known many Lebanese people of disparate backgrounds. Since the war, people have worked very conscientiously to maintain a kind of cohesion within their society, for a thing called “Lebanon” that is an idea unto itself, not just a place to be “rebuilt with Saudi money” or some other such characterization. There is all kinds of “money” invested in Lebanon and there are hard-working communities within Lebanon that do their own business to generate “monies.”
I find far more strife and contradiction within Israeli society which seems to need an enemy to unite itself behind an idea of itself. Even the “Clean Break” plan has an acknowledgement of this in that site on the web. And that is despite its history, known to the world in holy books sacred to so many from such far-flung locations.

Posted by: 2nd anonymous poster | Aug 4 2006 5:19 utc | 53

(3). Disarming Hizbullah is only possible by rearranging the inner Lebanese political system.
A new Lebanese political system has to evolve to secure that nation(5).

Unless I am missing something, the Lebanese (Christian, Sunni, Druze, Shia …) were mostly getting along just fine.
And to who can we attribute this to ? Is it such a big deal that people of multi-religious faiths can set themselves right & grow together peacefully ?
Or is it that Western Moral Superiority sees itself as indispensable to peace & progress.
The Lebanese have done good for themselves, by themselves & its really not a big deal. Its not like its novel.

Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 4 2006 5:20 utc | 54

I’m sure the food was good and I am equally sure the society has been brimming over with sectarian hostilitites since the early 70s, at least.
When were you in Lebanon, Gert? It makes me curious since you seem so sure you know what the people there were thinking back then and that they were brimming over with hostilities.
I was there in the ’60s and the various factions got along quite well and the government was just chugging happily with its balance of power. I didn’t see any hostilities.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 4 2006 5:32 utc | 55

@ Slothrop
Please know that I have both you and your mom in my thoughts and prayers.
If you need someone to vent to, you are welcome to e-mail me.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 4 2006 5:40 utc | 56

b-, to continue my earlier thght – trying to reconcile considerable evidence it was a tripwire w/yr. thoughts. It’s possible that xUS ordered Israelis to push up the start date of the pre-planned operation to get disintegrating mess in Iraq off the front page. So, we could both be right. It is definitely puzzling, Israel had to have extra bombs airmailed to them…

Posted by: jj | Aug 4 2006 5:45 utc | 57

slothrop, deep breath. what can i say, your mother.. i’m sure she is an incredible person, she must be if she raised you. i’m sure she is very proud. my heart reaches out to you
grace, w/much grace and thanks for all you share here.
you and your mother are very much in my thoughts tonight.

Posted by: annie | Aug 4 2006 6:07 utc | 58

It is definitely puzzling, Israel had to have extra bombs airmailed to them…
Not puzzling at all. This confirms their intel failed completely. Otherwise, they would have had the GBU 28 laser-guided ‘bunker buster bombs’ made by Raytheon on hand IF they had known about Hizbollah’s bunkers and tunnels in advance. Obviously, they didn’t.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 4 2006 6:11 utc | 59

One of the things I’m curious about- Where are the stingers and the SAMs?

Posted by: biklett | Aug 4 2006 6:27 utc | 60

Pat Lang in CSM Israeli Defense Forces – all they can be?

So far, Israel’s performance in this war has not been impressive. Its air and artillery fire has not hindered Hizbullah’s ability to fire rockets into Israel. The heliborne raid on Baalbec this week signals Israel’s intent to change to a more aggressive use of ground combat power. But it is another fair question to ask how much damage that poor performance in the early stages of this campaign has done to effective deterrence, which the fear of Israeli and US forces has exerted until now.
Israel has now announced that it is going to “campaign” to the Litani River line and then wait to be “relieved” by an international intervention force. If there is not a cease-fire in place, that force may never arrive, but what is almost certain to arrive is an ever-growing number of international Islamic “volunteers” to fight with Hizbullah. This will not be pleasant.

Posted by: b | Aug 4 2006 6:36 utc | 61

@Ensley:
You were there in the 60s;Hell broke loose there in the 70s.
I find it hard to understand why all sides went about it so hard in the 70s, if there were no severe underlying tensions 5-10 years before.
Here’s a pretty accurate account as i remember it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon
Your experience in lebanon in the 60s might have been good. But the place goes completely to crap in 10 years. Come on.
And when I wrote about the Saudis helping to put a “facade” on it, I meant when the smoke cleared, or disappeared from Beirut in the late 70s.

Posted by: Gert | Aug 4 2006 6:42 utc | 62

Bernhard, showing some real foreign policy smarts.
From the International Herald Tribune, the best-designed online newspaper I’ve ever read, direct reporting of US plans to turn Lebanon into yet another “lily pad” with US troops “training” and “equipping” the national army:

THE United States yesterday revealed it plans to help train and equip the Lebanese army so that it can take control of all of its territory when the conflict between Israel and Hizbollah eventually eases.
The programme, approved by Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, would take effect “once we have conditions on the ground permitting, said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.”

Why not? The US has plenty of arms, not too many men left undeployed. So, move some of that stuff to Lebanon, saves the time transporting it from Israel.
Well, I won’t speculate but I wonder what they have in mind.

Posted by: jonku | Aug 4 2006 6:54 utc | 63

@Biklett:
I too wonder, at least about what they have in their anti-tank inventory, if anything, besides the RPG.
@B:
Col. Lang also has a recent post about the history and compostion of IDF. One of the best things he’s written on the current subject.

Posted by: Gert | Aug 4 2006 6:58 utc | 64

@jonku – U.S. trainers in Lebanon
It will be hard to find one Lebanese that will agree to that. It will end like the last “training” the US gave in Lebanon in the early 1980s with a lot of dead Marines.

Posted by: b | Aug 4 2006 7:54 utc | 65

Bernhard, thanks for posting some inciteful suggestions:

“The current situation is a good chance to bring peace between Israel and Syria and to drive Syria away from Iran. Giving back the Golan Heights to Syria for a Syrian promise of non-intervention in Lebanon plus a cut off of Hizbullah from military supply through Syria should be an attractive deal to all sides. Unless someone does not want a deal at all, but has something different in mind.”

“To deter Israel from continuing this [air strikes], the UN force should include significant (3 batallions worth) of high and low attitude air defense. Overtime it could train the Lebanese army to handle the systems and donate them to Lebanon when its mandate runs out. For the same reason some small navy capability should be included. An armoured infantry brigade should secure the southern boarder in both directions by strict control of an area of 1 kilometer of no man’s land north and south of the boarder (shoot on sight order within a more narrow part of this corridor.)”

I would support my country’s contribution to a UN force like this.

What you suggest (shoot on sight) would require a UN Chapter 7 intervention which allows use of force.

Chapter 7 Article 44:

“When the Security Council has decided to use force it shall, before calling upon a Member not represented on it to provide armed forces in fulfilment of the obligations assumed under Article 43, invite that Member, if the Member so desires, to participate in the decisions of the Security Council concerning the employment of contingents of that Member’s armed forces.”

Here’s a link to Chapter 6 of the UN Charter.

I am basing my interpratation of Chapter 6 (observation and humanitarian aid only) and Chapter 7 (armed intervention) on a book I read by the UN commander in Rwanda, Romeo Dallaire’s Shake Hands With The Devil.

He never got to Chapter 7 during the original slaughters.

Posted by: jonku | Aug 4 2006 10:23 utc | 66

Neocon Krauthammer tells it as it is: Israel’s Lost Moment

Israel’s leaders do not seem to understand how ruinous a military failure in Lebanon would be to its relationship with America, Israel’s most vital lifeline.
For decades there has been a debate in the United States over Israel’s strategic value. At critical moments in the past, Israel has indeed shown its value.

But that was decades ago. The question, as always, is: What have you done for me lately? There is fierce debate in the United States about whether, in the post-Sept. 11 world, Israel is a net asset or liability. Hezbollah’s unprovoked attack on July 12 provided Israel the extraordinary opportunity to demonstrate its utility by making a major contribution to America’s war on terrorism.
America’s green light for Israel to defend itself is seen as a favor to Israel. But that is a tendentious, misleadingly partial analysis. The green light — indeed, the encouragement — is also an act of clear self-interest. America wants, America needs, a decisive Hezbollah defeat.

The moderate pro-Western Arabs understand this very clearly. Which is why Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan immediately came out against Hezbollah and privately urged the United States to let Israel take down that organization. They know that Hezbollah is fighting Iran’s proxy war not only against Israel but also against them and, more generally, against the United States and the West.
Hence Israel’s rare opportunity to demonstrate what it can do for its great American patron. The defeat of Hezbollah would be a huge loss for Iran, both psychologically and strategically. Iran would lose its foothold in Lebanon. It would lose its major means to destabilize and inject itself into the heart of the Middle East. It would be shown to have vastly overreached in trying to establish itself as the regional superpower.
The United States has gone far out on a limb to allow Israel to win and for all this to happen. It has counted on Israel’s ability to do the job. It has been disappointed. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has provided unsteady and uncertain leadership.

His search for victory on the cheap has jeopardized not just the Lebanon operation but America’s confidence in Israel as well. That confidence — and the relationship it reinforces — is as important to Israel’s survival as its own army. The tremulous Olmert seems not to have a clue.

Posted by: b | Aug 4 2006 10:55 utc | 67

From Reuters, via Antiwar.com (“what forces are really at work behind America’s laissez-faire attitude toward the Israeli war on Lebanon”) via SaltspringNews.com (again, thanks jj):
“The Bush administration spelled out plans on Friday to sell $4.6 billion of arms to moderate Arab states, including battle tanks worth as much as $2.9 billion to protect critical Saudi infrastructure.”

Posted by: jonku | Aug 4 2006 11:07 utc | 68

I was there in the ’60s and the various factions got along quite well and the government was just chugging happily with its balance of power. I didn’t see any hostilities.
You really should take a moment to read up on say the last 100 years of Lebanese history. Or think about who represented the Shiites in power in the 1960s. Things looked peaceful and prosperous in South Africa in the 1950s, I’m told.

Posted by: citizen k | Aug 4 2006 13:53 utc | 69

On Syria and the Golan Heights, I have found Moshe Dayan’s commentary very interested:
Said Dayan: “I made a mistake in allowing the [Israeli] conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time.” The attack proceeded, he went on, not because Israel was threatened but because of pressure from land-hungry farmers and army commanders in northern Israel. “Of course [war with Syria] was not necessary. You can say the Syrians are bastards and attack when you want. But this is not policy. You don’t open aggression against an enemy because he’s a bastard but because he’s a threat.”
About those shellings: Syria shelled and otherwise emanated cold hostility. But, Dayan told his interviewer, “at least 80 percent” of two decades of border clashes were initiated by Israel. “We would send a tractor to plow some [disputed] area . . . and we knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was.”

“Israel and Syria: Correcting the Record”

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 4 2006 14:01 utc | 70

ck, I don’t have to read up on Lebanese history since I am not commenting on it. I can only write of what I personally saw firsthand. I lived with two different families there, I moved around the city and country for almost a year and I didn’t see the problems YOU THINK I should have seen. I was not doing a political or sociological study of Lebanon, I was merely going to college and living there. Everyone was pleasant and friendly, I didn’t see any open sectarian animosity between various individuals. The Lebanese were not polarized as they became in the decades afterwards. There was a peaceful Lebanon during those years which unfortunately not everyone here is old enough to remember, nor had they traveled there back then. Others are welcome to go by what they think it was like. But I can only work with what I personally experienced.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 4 2006 14:19 utc | 71

Yes Ensley and the same logic applies to the South of Lebanon. The water of the Litani River… already Ben Gurion wanted that. The problem is it won’t be easy: they’ll have to do the Carthaginian thing to make the occupation stick this time. Expel or kill everyone, raze every village and even Sour to the ground. We are at a point in our civilisation where I find myself writing that “it will be interesting to see” whether they and their enablers (that’s us dear friends) have the stomach for that.

Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 4 2006 14:26 utc | 72

You saw what you saw Ensley, and that’s what Westerners tend to see in Lebanon — which is to say very little. That’s not a criticism, just a fact.

Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 4 2006 14:28 utc | 73

That’s true, Guthman Bey. None of the hundreds of people I spoke to in Lebanon apparently wanted to hang out their dirty laundry in front of a guest to their country if that was what was going on. The same is so with an exchange student in America who doesn’t see all of America’s racial or religious hatred from his college classroom in New Hampshire or Idaho.
But I did have the unique experience in being able to travel from Morocco all the way to Iran during those couple years I spent in the Middle East; pre-Qaddafi Libya, pre-Asad Syria, Nasser’s Egypt, the Shah’s Iran, pre-Saddam Iraq, Arab Jerusalem. I did a semester in Cairo as well. But I did not study each country’s local history and religious/race relations in depth since that wasn’t my major. Nor would an exchange student or visitor to America.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 4 2006 15:08 utc | 74

The analogy to the exchange student in the US is good, because it shows the difference between the two societies: in the US culture wars are collectively revelled in. In the media, in books, today on blogs. A foreigner doesn’t even have to visit to be informed about them. In Lebanon on the other hand true discourse is rarely ever public. (blogs have helped somewhat).
In any case, I didn’t mean to be insulting, Ensley. Don’t forget you were also a college kid. Not perhaps, existentially speaking,the ideal moment for exploring a seemingly bottomless pit of sectarian hatred.

Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 4 2006 15:22 utc | 75

Actually, Guthman Bey, I did notice many things although not in depth. In Libya, I saw racial hatred (is hatred too strong a word here?) between the Berbers and the Arabs. I did see the animosity between the Muslims and Copts in Egypt. Iraq and Syria seemed pretty quiet in that regard. But I am sure my visit to Iran showed me only what the Shah’s govt wanted me to see. I learned more about that decades later from a dear old friend, now dead, who had been a Kurdish member of Parliament in Iran under the Shah.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 4 2006 15:48 utc | 76

Blood on his hands

Blair knew the attack on Lebanon was coming but he didn’t try to stop it, because he didn’t want to. He has made this country an accomplice, destroying what remained of our influence abroad while putting us all at greater risk of attack. By John Kampfner

I am told that the Israelis informed George W Bush in advance of their plans to “destroy” Hezbollah by bombing villages in southern Lebanon. The Americans duly informed the British. So Blair knew. This exposes as a fraud the debate of the past week about calling for a ceasefire. Indeed, one of the reasons why negotiations failed in Rome was British obduracy. This has been a case not of turning a blind eye and failing to halt the onslaught, but of providing active support.

Israel: Did Blair know all along?

Tony Blair, who has delayed his holiday to Barbados, is facing claims that he knew Israel’s attack on Lebanon was coming but did not try to stop it as he conceded yesterday that his Cabinet is divided over his stance on the Middle East.

Israel had briefed Washington about its concerns before and London was ‘kept in the loop’, according to one insider. MPs also seized on the revelation that Mr Blair’s Middle East envoy – and chief fundraiser – Lord Levy had met senior Israeli ministers dozens of times in the run-up to the conflict.
While the controversial peer frequently meets top Middle East figures as part of his role, the contact was stepped up during June and July – revealing how close the links are between London and Tel Aviv.

Posted by: b | Aug 4 2006 16:07 utc | 77

In Her Place
my mother breathed life into me
till I cried out and breathed with her
a minute, then cut away, cut free
and I breathed in her place
And she comes again to that beginning
painfully breathing
and I cried out and breathed with her
till now, again, I am breathing in her place

Posted by: citizen | Aug 4 2006 16:13 utc | 78

slothrop – best thoughts
a tune (wanted to find odetta singing it like she does on soundtrack to pasolini’s gospel of matthew, but no avail; instead this lone trumpeter in the almost-darkness is quite effective i think)

Posted by: Dismal Science | Aug 6 2006 0:07 utc | 79

that’s beautiful, citizen.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 6 2006 0:23 utc | 80