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August 21, 2006
OT 06-80
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At Guantanamo, Caught in a Legal Trap
Completely absurd – a court in Bosnia had declared the men innocent. The US did kidnap them to Guantanamo but has found them to be innocent too. The only reason for not releasing them is not to admit an error. The War Nerd gloats a bit, but has it right: Posted by: SteinL | Aug 21 2006 5:35 utc | 2
The rifle/gun chant goes back to way before Chesty Puller. I think one has to have been in the military to understand the relationship you “get” with your weaponry. Posted by: SteinL | Aug 21 2006 6:49 utc | 4 SteinL – Posted by: Owl | Aug 21 2006 7:23 utc | 5 @Owl – actually, the Israelis could have spared themselves a lot of pain if they had studied the manuals for insurgency tactics that the U.S. itself has produced. Posted by: SteinL | Aug 21 2006 9:22 utc | 6 Adding: And can you imagine what moving into Syria or Iran is going to be like? Posted by: SteinL | Aug 21 2006 9:23 utc | 7 Then and Now Posted by: DM | Aug 21 2006 10:31 utc | 8 Guys in Pentagon must be shitting their pants after this war, if BushCo really intends to go after Syria and, more importantly, Iran. They just got the demo in Lebanon. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 21 2006 12:35 utc | 9 @SteinL: Posted by: Hezzie Grrl | Aug 21 2006 13:00 utc | 10 Who says history doesn´t repeat itself?
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AIPAC in action: CNN RELIABLE SOURCES
from war nerd Posted by: annie | Aug 21 2006 16:27 utc | 13 sorry, somehow i lost those war nerd quotes i was referring to.. here Posted by: annie | Aug 21 2006 16:31 utc | 14 @B: Posted by: Hezzie Grrl | Aug 21 2006 16:32 utc | 15 In response to a comment by b several days ago about “anti-war” author, David Grossman:
First, let me confess that I haven’t read any of David Grossman’s novels. I’m sure they must be well written and moving.
Surely, as Chomsky famously noted during Vietnam, the role and duty of the public intellectual (and even one supposses, “reserved celebrities” who are the “anguished conscience of Israel”, as Grossman is generously described) must be to tell the truth at all costs, most especially if it contravenes government propaganda. But the statement he finally signed is a pack of liberal lies — and being their liberal does not in any way excuse lying or exageration.
“…things got complicated, and not in a way that worked in our favor.” That’s the moral cry of “the anguished conscience of Israel” you are hearing folks. Please don’t block the exits while rushing to nominate this ethical titan for the Nobel Peace Prize.
The so-called “anti-war” crowd ALWAYS favors “just” wars, just don’t “widen” them. They are ALWAYS in favor of bombing entire apartment buildings full of innocent women and children, as long as it is done with “justice,” and not “widened.”
In other words, countries that are not your neighbors, like Vietnam, “some Soviet republic!”, or perhaps Iran, might not “need such care,” and could be — morally — destroyed.
More lies. The destruction of Hezbollah WAS the originally stated intention. In any event, as long as one quibbles about intentions, one doesn’t have to face up to killing — until it is your own son.
“We know that Israel doesn’t have its eyes set on conquerings.” This is the Israeli left speaking, but it could just as well come out of the mouth of Bibi Netanyahu. The occupied territories and the Golan Heights aren’t “conquerings?” Israel left Lebanon voluntarily the first time because it wasn’t interested in “conquerings?”
That’s right, Amos, tell ’em: Those orientals are different from us! And while you are busily channeling Bernard Lewis for us about the baseless “cycle of hatred exhibited by extremist Islam,” always remember to throw in the small white lie where it will least be seen: Israel was the one provoked. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 21 2006 16:46 utc | 16 Thanks Maloog – good one. One of the many things that I find truly stupid about standard anti-zionist western “leftie” rhetoric is the careless floating of terms like “genocide”. What IDF does in WestBank and Gaza is revolting, but it is not genocide. But as “war nerd” points out, when counter-insurgency warfare fails, there is one high tech power tactic left – as the Japanese showed in China when they demonstrated that the sea of guerillas could be emptied with some effort even in the most populous nation. Gideon Levy points out that the right wing government has an incoherent position between “withdraw” (politically unacceptable) and “transfer” that nice euphemism that will certainly become more popular in Israel following this defeat. “Transfer” will rapidly devolve into actual genocide. And if anyone thinks this will result in serious long-term problems for Israel, they should talk to Karadic or to the governing party in Serbia. War crime trials are for countries that lose wars – and even then, rehabilitation is only a generation away (c.f. Japan). Posted by: citizen k | Aug 21 2006 17:24 utc | 18 Thanks for your post Malooga. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 21 2006 17:41 utc | 19 @ck: Posted by: Malooga | Aug 21 2006 17:45 utc | 20 Floyd on a roll – this is good read it: It’s Bigger Than the Neo-Cons
he is right – I was (a bit) wrong on this emphazising the neocons. But maybe that is a thought process that needs to be taken also with the general public? @b: Posted by: Malooga | Aug 21 2006 19:36 utc | 22 Thanks again Malooga. Posted by: jony_b_cool | Aug 21 2006 20:39 utc | 23 Ah, yes, the priesthoodlums — I forgot about them. They’re in the PR wing, and some of them can be more effective there than the neo-cons. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 21 2006 21:12 utc | 24 Is it just me or is this a bad idea? Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 22 2006 3:12 utc | 25 @Rick Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 22 2006 3:17 utc | 26 Condi is still a token shoe model trying to prove her way into the club. Posted by: jj | Aug 22 2006 3:44 utc | 27 @jj Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 22 2006 4:18 utc | 28
Provost? We’re supposed to be impressed because this despicable war crimninal who would in a just world be answering for her crimes in the Hague was a fucking provost? She enthusiastically helped lie us into this ruinous, murderous clusterfuck in Iraq is all I need to know about her. Posted by: ran | Aug 22 2006 4:33 utc | 29 I’m not saying she’s shouldn’t be tried w/the rest of them, I’m objecting to the sexist dismissal of her as “a token shoe model”. My point was only that Powell was only ripped for what he did, and she’s far more competent than he ever dreamed of being. Posted by: jj | Aug 22 2006 4:46 utc | 30 Competence is not a word that comes to mind when I think of Condi, sorry. Posted by: ran | Aug 22 2006 4:56 utc | 31 @RH: Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2006 5:03 utc | 32 Gee, I thought “tokin shoe model” was a compliment, a step up from her record at the NSA and State, sort of like calling Dick Cheney an “accomplished hunter”. Posted by: anna missed | Aug 22 2006 5:07 utc | 33 I see everyone came to my defense while I was composing my post. Thanks. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2006 5:17 utc | 34 P.S. I’d much rather receive substantive criticism of my longer, more well thought out, pieces, than picky criticisms of the metaphors I employ. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2006 5:22 utc | 36 Paul Krugman (liberated here
What can’t they privatise and convert to base thugery? Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2006 6:22 utc | 38 Yeah, Rick Happ, I almost posted about the FDA and it approval of the use Viruses, but after years and years of entropy, it’s almost pointless to post such things anymore. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2006 6:33 utc | 39 Responding to Bernhard’s number 37 with a sad shake of my head. Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 22 2006 6:44 utc | 40 Catherine Austin Fitts rips Al Gore for gross omissions.
I haven’t been able to take Al ‘Earth in the Balance’ Gore seriously since he cast the tie-breaking vote for NAFTA. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2006 6:57 utc | 41 Sounds like she’s been reading Bookchin 😉 Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2006 7:23 utc | 42 Mapping the Real Deal: The American Tapeworm Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2006 7:32 utc | 43 In the long list of “people are too stupid to live”, the Brits are gonna show us they’re big players. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 22 2006 7:39 utc | 44 Also, with regards to my comments above about Al ‘Save the Earth’ Gore, when I saw his utter lack of integrity in his actions during the moore movie, where he stood silent while so many people from the black districts tried to get someone to listen to them, I nearly lost it. It is a goddamn good thing I wasn’t there that session, I would have surely went to jail that night… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 22 2006 7:43 utc | 45 Gates Foundation Among MediaNews Lenders
Gates Foundation: Helping the world, one murderous investment at a time. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2006 13:14 utc | 47 “When I was working in software, I watched his company gobble up smaller companies like a shark, solely in order to keep their superior technologies off the market and not competing with MS’s inferior technologies. Everything good was devoured, while pure shit emerged from the Microsoft end.” Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 22 2006 13:42 utc | 48 Oil Profits Help Russia Pay Off Soviet-Era Debt
How about that — paid back $39M in a little over a year. The wonders of Bushonomics! Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul; Putin looked into Bush’s eyes and saw huge blinking — dollars signs! Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2006 14:10 utc | 49 nigeria too recently paid off the paris club. ended up paying $12.4 billion on $30 bill worth of loans. big oil deals w/ china & price increases on oil made the payoff feasible. Posted by: b real | Aug 22 2006 15:29 utc | 51 Ah, Bill. One murderous investment at a time is right. The psychopathology is right there in the Foundation’s African adventure, because it’s all about preserving intellectual property rights – on medicines as for software. Compare and contrast the actions of Brazilians, who busted open drug patents on the basis that AIDS is a public health emergency, and have one of the most successful AIDS/HIV prevention programs in the world (and got to head the WHO as a result). Posted by: Dismal Science | Aug 22 2006 15:51 utc | 52 Can we bash Clarence Thomas now, please? Posted by: annie | Aug 22 2006 16:28 utc | 54 Plus, I saw Ted Nelson give a talk in London a while back, who swore blind that Bill bought what became the Microsoft OS for about $30,000. Department of Divine Irony: Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 22 2006 16:54 utc | 56 shout out to anyone in europe or beyond who has better access to news reports – my sister who works for USAID is in kinshasha. she wrote a frightening email yesterday and today is reporting things calm there. i am concerned she is doing this to keep me from calling USAid and the state department because calm is not what i am reading in online news reports. if anyone sees anything consequential and credible in european or other sources, please let me know – email me directly if you prefer. they evacuated the foreign diplomats. there is no plan at the moment to evacuate foreigners, yet TIME published an article – “will congo vote war”? any news/thoughts/suggestions are welcome. bottomline i do not trust my government to what is right for its citizens. all one need do is look at katrina and the shoddy evacuation of us citizens from lebanon a few weeks ago. thanks in advance. Posted by: conchita | Aug 22 2006 16:59 utc | 57 @conchita – From what I did read in the German press (they have reporters on the ground): @Malooga – I did build my first flip-flop and a shift register when I was twelve – quite some time ago. I would have beaten Bill in a programming contest any time. But unlike Bill, I never did learn to market things. So he did get rich and I did not. b and ensley, thanks very much. it does sound better on the ground, a mess, but a quieter mess. i also noticed that i either misinterpreted one of the articles i read, or perhaps it was misleading – the foreign diplomats were only evacuated from bemba’s home not from congo. evacuation at this point is probably questionable anyway since the airport has been closed. ellen spent 3 years in afghanistan and never sent such an alarming email as she did yesterday. it probably didn’t help that her office was open yesterday when the rest of kinshasha stayed home. thank you both again. Posted by: conchita | Aug 22 2006 19:26 utc | 62 Guess Operation Yellow Elephant didn’t pan out.
Posted by: ran | Aug 22 2006 19:50 utc | 63 conchita: Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2006 19:57 utc | 64 malooga, ellen does public health work. on this assignment she is dealing with aids issues. in afghanistan she headed up a women’s health program which focused on decreasing deaths in childbirth through a midwifery initiative. Posted by: conchita | Aug 22 2006 20:30 utc | 65 Not that I give too much credence to poll numbers, but how did this happen at the same time this is going on? Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 22 2006 23:22 utc | 66 Almost. Sharkey, aka bill Gates, bought CPM-DOS, that he subsequently sold IBM on, for $50k. Posted by: jj | Aug 23 2006 0:29 utc | 67 The other day, a natural healing practitioner explained the strategy used by a tapeworm to prosper. A tapeworm, she said, injected a chemical into its host that triggered a craving by the host for what the tapeworm wished for its dinner. By managing it’s hosts desire, a tapeworm manipulated its host to set aside self-interest and please its parasite. And so the tapeworm proceeded to consume its host’s energy and health, with the host doing most of the work. Posted by: jj | Aug 23 2006 0:38 utc | 68 The Mythical Man Month — one of the first books I read when I got into the field. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 23 2006 2:01 utc | 69 If it is Sharkeys machine, Posted by: Hezzie Grrl | Aug 23 2006 2:21 utc | 70 “How about that — paid back $39M in a little over a year.” Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 23 2006 2:24 utc | 71 The IMF has been cutting staff like crazy, because they are running out of income. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 23 2006 2:36 utc | 72 taking up some of the slack, here’s my avuncular contribution for the day
from wikipedia
Posted by: b real | Aug 23 2006 3:00 utc | 73 Re: Tapeworm Talk Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 23 2006 4:34 utc | 74 August 2000 Discover Magazine article Do Parasites Rule the World?, by Carl Zimmer. Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 23 2006 4:42 utc | 75 Clueless Joe on Microsoft:“This is the essence of capitalism. Capitalism doesn’t involve progress or making better lasting products, it’s about making sure that the current crap can go on as long as possible because true innovation would cost too much to readapt to it.” Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 23 2006 5:28 utc | 76 What ever happened to “Provide for the General Welfare”? Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 23 2006 6:04 utc | 77 Sorry for typo error, no slur intended in post above; Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 23 2006 6:06 utc | 78 “But it’s not only the uninsured who suffer. Of the more than 1.5 million bankruptcies filed in the U.S. each year, about half are a result of medical bills; of those, three-quarters of filers had health insurance.” Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 23 2006 6:19 utc | 79 Specifically, Intellectual property has become a vile curse for the common American. Posted by: jj | Aug 23 2006 6:34 utc | 80 Rick, Posted by: anna missed | Aug 23 2006 8:45 utc | 81 Malooga at 22, you forgot the hand of the illegal economy, closely tied to the PTB: drugs, human trafficking and arms. One can’t cover everything..thanks for the good posts. Posted by: Noirrette | Aug 23 2006 11:35 utc | 82 This passage from the Independent on 22 Aug. 2006, about Katrina, caught my eye: Posted by: Noirette | Aug 23 2006 11:43 utc | 83 Robert Fisk has an article in the Independent which is accessible by all and since it doesn’t involve the massacre of Shia but of Xtian Lebanese Fisk has finally bought the blowtorch to bear on those responsible without any of the equivocation he has been demonstrating lately.
Apparently the local command of the IDF thought he was dealing with the “Arab lies” he’s been indoctrinated about, when he heard that the bosses back in Washington didn’t want any xtians slaughtered so close to peace breaking out!
You know in the end it doesn’t really matter if Rummy is going to resign or be pushed if diebold add on 2 or 3 percentage points or whether Olmert gets the flick in favour of Netanyahu. Or what theory of why this is happening finds favour this week. Personally I reckon attributing any sort of long term vision thing or plan to the assholes in the US and Israel who perpetrated these crimes is giving them credence by insinuating they know what they are doing. Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 23 2006 12:24 utc | 84
. Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 23 2006 12:53 utc | 85 jj, Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 23 2006 13:11 utc | 86 Finally, the work was done at $3 per cubic metre by a haulier from New Jersey. Who probably dumped it illegally in the Meadowlands for that price. No doubt there were human bodies involved.
It is important to distinguish between “top of the food chain” and “top of the evolutionary chain,” and other such chains, and to recall the following from freshman biology:
Posted by: Malooga | Aug 23 2006 13:35 utc | 89 “Locked in his room, Daoud now called Fatfat again and Fatfat called the Lebanese Prime Minister, Fouad Siniora, who, by chance, was talking to the US ambassador to Beirut, Jeffrey Feltman. Feltman – either via the State Department or directly to the US embassy in Tel Aviv – told his diplomats to call the Israeli Defence Ministry; and they swiftly replied that there should be no Israeli troops in Daoud’s barracks. But the Israelis in Marjayoun refused to believe what Daoud told them.” Posted by: Malooga | Aug 23 2006 13:46 utc | 90 @Rick (BTW, another tactic commonly used back then was a tiny hole in the floppy disc which interacted with locking software to enable use. I experimented with that also.) anna missed, Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 23 2006 14:28 utc | 92 We will not be silenced Posted by: citizen | Aug 23 2006 14:44 utc | 93 None of us are political scientists, we are all just sharing our beliefs and trying to substantiate them. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. Most political scientists I have read are no more, and usually less, rigorous and honest than we are here. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 23 2006 14:53 utc | 94 Hezbollah`s Thermobaric Arsenal
This article makes clear that it was in both sieds interests to fight a proxy war in Lebanon BEFORE Iran replied to the US proposal. Both sides bet on this war to help them. One side won. Even the NYTimes implicitly admits this. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 23 2006 15:17 utc | 95 Today’s right-wing French lang. Swiss paper, a serious and cautious sheet, reports hunger riots in Gaza City. Thousands of unemployed rioted and attacked PA offices and a bloodbath between Hamas militias and these rioters was avoided miraculeusement. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 23 2006 16:11 utc | 96 @Malooga, #95 Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 23 2006 17:05 utc | 97 I truly don’t know what will happen in Gaza and Palestine, but it is becoming more terrible by the day. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 23 2006 18:00 utc | 98 Maybe I was not clear, Posted by: anna missed | Aug 23 2006 19:05 utc | 99 |
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