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August 17, 2006
OT 06-78
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I’m working up an initial post for teh study group I proposed yesterday, but it’ll have to hold till tomorrow – family duties. The basic idea is to study teh heritage we have to draw on when we try to create humane politics. And we’ll start with Murray Bookchin. Beyond that, I’m open to suggestion, and very excited about the prospect of studying with you good folks. Posted by: citizen | Aug 17 2006 4:42 utc | 1 If I may follow citizens interesting concrete suggestion w/the usual stuff at a distance…Anyone who hasn’t been by Juan Cole’s place lately to read his post of CIA Arabic Analyst (ret) Ray Close’s take on probabilities on Iran, Definitely Should Posted by: jj | Aug 17 2006 4:57 utc | 2 And Finally some more Open Revolt by Generals & Foreign Service Officers – people who actually know something… Posted by: jj | Aug 17 2006 5:06 utc | 3 Massa Bush is calling for the imaginary army of UNIFIL troopers to seal the Syrian border when they arrive in southern Lebanon. Posted by: Antifa | Aug 17 2006 7:11 utc | 4 citizen, I did follow your link via b real to Bookchin. I welcome your suggestion to pay attention to solid behavior. I do look at http://lespeakeasy.org from time to time and will try to follow your thread. Posted by: jonku | Aug 17 2006 10:16 utc | 5 Question: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2006 11:39 utc | 6 Uncle: I suppose some would by default go over to Atrios or Kos to try to find some other lost barflies, and try to figure out where to go from there. Though my best bet would be to go to the Eurotrib and the Speakeasy, where the proportion of “Moonies” should be quite higher. Then, if Billmon’s site is hosted in US by US firm, I suppose Bernhard’s Moon is probably hosted in Germany by some German provider – it can be hacked, but some US administration gone nut would have a harder time to actually go after it legally, if it’s what you fear. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 17 2006 12:33 utc | 7 no need to spend money. Posted by: bianco | Aug 17 2006 13:41 utc | 9 i have wondered about this uncle. i would suggest at a minimum everyone share their email address w/at least one other patron from the bar. Posted by: annie | Aug 17 2006 14:40 utc | 10 any word on r’giap’s sitch? is he lacking a working computer at this time? Posted by: b real | Aug 17 2006 14:44 utc | 11 I understand that r’giap has been ill lately. He and I traded e-mails last week. I thought he was getting better, but I’m afraid he may have taken a turn for the worst. It’s certainly not like him to remain silent in the face of outrages like those of the past couple of weeks, and, like many of us here at MoA, I miss his insights sorely, even if I don’t always agree with them. Except, more and more, I do. Posted by: Aigin | Aug 17 2006 14:53 utc | 12 I understand that r’giap has been ill lately. He and I traded e-mails last week. I thought he was getting better, but I’m afraid he may have taken a turn for the worst. It’s certainly not like him to remain silent in the face of outrages like those of the past couple of weeks, and, like many of us here at MoA, I miss his insights sorely, even if I don’t always agree with them. Except, more and more, I do. Posted by: Aigin | Aug 17 2006 14:53 utc | 13 Ellen Schrecker’s McCarthyite Crusade
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2006 14:58 utc | 14 I emailed R’Giap over the weekend and have not heard back. I have been worried but haven’t gotten home early enough this week to call him with the time difference. However, I am planning to call him tomorrow and if I do not reach him I will call a colleague to find out what is happening with him. I am crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. Posted by: conchita | Aug 17 2006 15:38 utc | 15 I emailed R’Giap over the weekend and have not heard back. I have been worried but haven’t gotten home early enough this week to call him with the time difference. However, I am planning to call him tomorrow and if I do not reach him I will call a colleague to find out what is happening with him. I am crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. Posted by: conchita | Aug 17 2006 15:38 utc | 16 I can’t vouch for this piece’s veracity (it is only a forum post after all), but it sounds genuine enough. So here it is FWIW: Posted by: Alamet | Aug 17 2006 15:45 utc | 18
Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 17 2006 17:30 utc | 21 The future is Orange: Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 17 2006 17:35 utc | 22 anyone in touch w/ rgiap pls give him my best wishes for full recovery Posted by: Dismal Science | Aug 17 2006 17:43 utc | 23 anyone in touch w/ rgiap pls give him my best wishes for full recovery Posted by: Dismal Science | Aug 17 2006 17:44 utc | 24 Best wishes to R’giap also. I love the passion in his words regardless of what his point is/that said, I agree with more or less all that he says. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 17 2006 17:59 utc | 25 With regards to b’s #20 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2006 18:02 utc | 26 Yes, best wishes from this corner too. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 17 2006 19:11 utc | 27 w/regards to b’s, #20 and my #26 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2006 20:12 utc | 28 Engineered grass found growing in wild
Posted by: b real | Aug 17 2006 23:09 utc | 29 geneticists to people of earth: don’t worry, everything is under control. Posted by: slothrop | Aug 17 2006 23:52 utc | 30 posing one of the first threats of agricultural biotechnology escaping from the farm in the United States Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 0:54 utc | 31 Never heard of Oust, Paraquat,Poast, Vantage. and numerous other agricultural and industrial chemicals. Posted by: E.I. DuPont | Aug 18 2006 1:20 utc | 32 Bets that the asshole @#32 is a professional troll! Posted by: jj | Aug 18 2006 2:51 utc | 33 Study Group at LeSpeakeasy
Here, we are reminded that there is no escaping work, not just the work of figuring something out for the first time, but the work of re-formulating this understanding again and again as it applies to different people and problems. Wefll even have to change our minds occasionally because everything that we reckoned by can gradually shift meaning over time. For me, it comes as a relief to hear intelligent affirmation that all that 60s heritage of thought and actions is not some sort of ritual to repeat endlessly.
A lot of this may seem old and outmoded, especially Bookchin’s hypothesis (not quoted here) that the revolutionary subject was young people of all classes, and the reactionary subject old people. But I imagine that he is dead on to assert that capitalism has co-opted the class struggle as originally envisioned by Marx. I imagine that he is also dead on to say that centralization, elitism, and the state are all traps that will swallow and digest idealists and their initial goals. If we want to continue to develop the rich potential of left politics, then we will have to keep building the communities that achieve politics for human beings.
And, I would like to add, American state capitalism as it is envisioned by the neo-pirates, is just the latest version of the Soviet swindle: hi-jacking more and more of what were once gpublich resources and spinning them off to whoever gets an in to the state feeding trough. Posted by: citizen | Aug 18 2006 3:09 utc | 34 P.S. when I said that “State solutions may no longer be possible at all” Posted by: citizen | Aug 18 2006 3:18 utc | 35 wow. thanks for the work, citizen. i’m bloody busy, but will devote some time to this. seriously, this is a great opportunity. I also suggest his magnum opus social ecology. Posted by: slothrop | Aug 18 2006 3:32 utc | 36 according to anna lappe’s book, grub: ideas for an urban organic kitchen, using the latest avail figures, dated june 2005, the percentage of gmo crops in the u.s. runs
“gmo’s are now found in as much as 70 percent of processed foods in our supermarkets.”
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“Nearly half of ADM’s annual profit comes from products subsidized by our taxpayer dollars or protected by the U.S. government.” Posted by: b real | Aug 18 2006 3:36 utc | 37 slothrop, Posted by: citizen | Aug 18 2006 3:57 utc | 38 thanks, citizen. just printed the text out & will spend time w/ it tomorrow. Posted by: b real | Aug 18 2006 3:59 utc | 39 That was an exc. 5-day series on the Oceans b real linked to (in LA Times). Horrifying. Posted by: jj | Aug 18 2006 4:17 utc | 40 Jürgen Elsässer: “The CIA recruited and trained the jihadists”
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2006 4:45 utc | 41 Screw these rabid warmongers. But then I’m not terribly excited w/the prospect of watching xUS & Israel commit national suicide! (From the Jerusalem Post, to which I don’t care to link, on 2nd thought.) Posted by: jj | Aug 18 2006 4:54 utc | 42
WAR GAMES…what’s the metanarrative here? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2006 5:04 utc | 43 Wow! Great work, citizen. This kind of endeavor is much more attractive to me than examining photos to see who is standing closest to dear leader today. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 5:07 utc | 44 Iran shells Iraq’s northern frontier Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 18 2006 5:18 utc | 45 I know we had this tedious debate last week about whether we should support religious muslims who were fighting US domination. I think Nassrallah provides the answer:
Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 5:22 utc | 46 “You can safely assume that you have created God in your own image, when it turns out that he or she hates all the same people that you do.” – Anne Lamont Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 5:30 utc | 47 One last thought for the night: Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 5:59 utc | 48 Support a MaleMuslim Theocrat – Malooga, get some sleep, please. You’re off your supports…We should support them about the same time we support these Sewer Rats Posted by: jj | Aug 18 2006 6:29 utc | 49 MSM now openly speculating this could be a “false confession.” Sounds like a distraction from the very real circumstantial evidence against the Ramseys. Ex-wife gives alibi for JonBenet suspect.
Looks like he’s a real pro to me. Can you say PsyOps? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2006 8:02 utc | 50 Digby on CNN: –…Blitzer just characterized the ruling as having “serious implications for the War on Terror” rather than serious implications for the Bush administration. That Republican programming is something, isn’t it? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2006 8:30 utc | 51 Updated Craig Murray piece in The Guardian: The timing is political
IDF reservist writes in Haaretz Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 18 2006 10:08 utc | 53 White House backing new plan to defuse insurrection in Pakistan? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2006 10:26 utc | 54 US Backed Islamic Terrorism in the Balkans? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2006 10:32 utc | 55 @CP: Posted by: Smedley | Aug 18 2006 11:24 utc | 56 uncle scam Posted by: slothrop | Aug 18 2006 15:32 utc | 57 ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 15:34 utc | 58 “I appear to have hit a nerve with my call for a sceptical view of the alleged “bigger than 9/11″ plot. Over 50,000 people so far have read the item on my own blog, and it has been quoted and reposted all over the web.” Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 15:42 utc | 59 Uncle, Mike Malloy intelligently suggested that the arrest in the JonBenet Ramsey case has Rove’s fingerprints all over it, precisely to take the judge’s ruling off Center Stage. Apparently it worked – CBS news had several minutes on it, but 25 secs. on Judge Taylor’s ruling (by a stopwatch). Posted by: jj | Aug 18 2006 16:17 utc | 60 Oops, sorry Unca, didn’t catch top of yr. long post before #60! Posted by: jj | Aug 18 2006 16:33 utc | 61 William Pfaff on “Israeli ‘cheap war,’ myth of air power” Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 17:56 utc | 62 P.S. Paul Craig Roberts couldn’t make understanding the events of 9-11, and their consequences, simpler. Even my cats are starting to catch on. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 17:58 utc | 63 citizen, b real, malooga, and others who have been worrying about r’giap – i just spoke with him and it is as i thought: his computer has stopped working and he is not feeling well enough to post regularly. posting has also become more difficult as he is borrowing time on friends’ and colleagues’ computers and is occupied with ateliers during the day. we had a horrible connection and his unique mix of australian and french was more complex than usual to understand but he did tell me how touched he was by everyone’s concern. fortunately, i was also able to understand that while he is not at all well and there are complications with his insulin levels, it is not critical at the moment and we can be thankful for that. Posted by: conchita | Aug 18 2006 18:25 utc | 64 Thanks for the update conchita. God I wish I wasn’t living in abject poverty, and crushed by school loans, otherwise I would send something ;-( Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2006 18:34 utc | 65 uncle, i commiserate. if i did not need the new computer for design work, i would not be in a position to help out either as i too am still a poor student. if the world isn’t destroyed by this administration first, eventually you and i will see better days. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 18 2006 18:47 utc | 66 The family probably has pictures – Christmas, the chldren, the tree, the turkey. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 18 2006 19:08 utc | 67 Thanks for your update, conchita. Also thanks for your activist post on the last OT. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 19:51 utc | 68 malooga, i expect that r’giap’s colleagues and friends in nantes will be glad to help to whatever extent possible to find a used monitor. however, i know that his work space is cramped and already highly populated with books, notebooks, photographs, etc. and a flat-screen will make the most sense, and i don’t know if anyone is discarding them yet. however, if anyone in france can make suggestions, please do. Posted by: conchita | Aug 18 2006 20:44 utc | 69 Mainstream TV Media Drops The Ball On NSA Ruling, Instead Devotes Attention To JonBenet Ramsey Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2006 21:26 utc | 70 Maybe we could find him a used laptop for about $400 in Nantes, and everyone could pony up $10; I’d be willing. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 22:18 utc | 71 You know, I don’t really watch normal TV, and I turn it, and my mind, off when I hear “manufactured” stories. I must confess that I have no idea whatsoever what the Ramsey story is even about. I think there is a murder involved, but that’s all I know. Posted by: Malooga | Aug 18 2006 22:20 utc | 72 rowan, this came in my email today and i thought of you. don’t know if it’s something you would be interested in but saw your post the other night and . . . Posted by: conchita | Aug 18 2006 22:38 utc | 73 conchita, Posted by: citizen | Aug 19 2006 1:22 utc | 74 Malooga- where is your other work published? I’m sure many of us would like to read it. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 19 2006 2:28 utc | 76 On the off chance that someone saw my DHS-CyberStorm– link recently, which may or may not be a hoax, and as many MOA’s know, one of my favorite authors, Maestro Robert Anton Wilson* has no use for TIME, and in that espirit I found the following quite interesting, maybe you will to if you get my drift, The Wonga Coup Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 19 2006 2:39 utc | 77 latest Krugman pearls in ‘compressed’ version Posted by: citizen | Aug 19 2006 2:53 utc | 78 conchita and all, Posted by: Rick Happ | Aug 19 2006 3:09 utc | 79 Oh, yes, btw, thanks yall for turning me on to Bookchin, quite fascinating, though I haven’t had time to say so… I love being turned on to authors and people I have never heard of, it’s like christmaz morning or someting… 😉 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 19 2006 3:09 utc | 80 @Malooga et al, Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 19 2006 3:22 utc | 82 Re buying a computer, etc. CHECK CRAIGSLIST. If it’s not great in the East, check San Franscisco & have it sent. I’ve gotten cars & computers there & have dealt w/first-rate people & first rate prices. Here take a look at their iMac’s – page 1 – 171 computers listed (The rest of the country may be screwed up – when I checked Philly to buy one for someone they mostly had Clone bullshit rather than Apple – but SF is Apple’s homebase.) If they don’t have the box, which they often do, they can take it to a place that ships – they’re all over town. Posted by: jj | Aug 19 2006 3:58 utc | 83 P.S. If you want to get one out here, you can lv. me an email address & I’d be happy to go double-check that it works & take it to the shipping place! Posted by: jj | Aug 19 2006 3:59 utc | 84 For those unsatisfied with CompressedKrugman, here’s the Full Monty. Posted by: citizen | Aug 19 2006 5:10 utc | 86 You know you’ve lost the war when… Posted by: jj | Aug 19 2006 5:35 utc | 87 Hezbollah says fighters clashed with IDF deep inside eastern Lebanon
One of those Israeli “defensive” military operations tacitly allowed by that masterwork of the UN. I’m sure that defending themselves from the Israeli invasion and attack were “in violation” of the sheets off that same roll of paper. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Aug 19 2006 9:54 utc | 88 Israel: Not all nations welcome in U.N. force
Who do these people think that they are? The rest of the world views the UN force as the protection that Lebanon so desperately needs from the mad dog to its south and its terrorist arms supplier. Posted by: John Francis Lee | Aug 19 2006 10:05 utc | 89 @#76: Posted by: Malooga | Aug 19 2006 14:23 utc | 90 My mistake. I read this- Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 19 2006 21:50 utc | 91 I know we had this tedious debate last week about whether we should support religious muslims who were fighting US domination. I think Nassrallah provides the answer: Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 19 2006 21:56 utc | 92 @91: Posted by: Malooga | Aug 19 2006 23:50 utc | 93 LOL the best example of distracting those on the left who imagine that a people’s right to self-dermination is a function of their western defined ‘political correctness’ by way of out of context and irrelevant quotations comes from Popbitch Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 20 2006 21:39 utc | 95 In response to Debs’ comment, it’s important to point out that a similar prejudice against gays is widely prevalent among right wingers in Israel as well. For instance, see this article: Violence in Israel caused by ‘gay’ event? Rabbis link troubles to approval of World Pride parade in Jerusalem Posted by: Alan | Aug 20 2006 22:15 utc | 96 Re: DM’s #94 Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 20 2006 23:22 utc | 97
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