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August 15, 2006
Fake Terror

Craig Murray and Christopher Reed are very suspicious about the foiled terror plot in the UK. I personally think the whole thing is fake. Says Murray:

None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn’t be a plane bomber for quite some time.

In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.

It is another 20 some days until the British police will have to come up with something indictable. Until then the pols and the media can go on to push this particular terror button.

After that, another one will be needed. Any ideas yet?

Comments

Of course it’s fake. They’ve all been fake, and they’ve all borne the same homegrown pattern: Infiltrate a group of stupid angry people and then abet them into enough talk that they can be indicted for conspiracy. In other words, our intelligence agencies are hydroponically growing these threats to be picked at will by our politicians when they need them.
Commonsense dictates that real threats which are discovered and interdicted can NOT be made public because we would not want to compromise continuing investigation, or blow covers, etc. When the whole TWAT (the war against terrorism) was rolled out — more as a police action than the propaganda lollapalooza that it is now — we were even told this: Much will be going on beneath the surface that we will not hear about.
In any event, there is one implication which can be drawn from this event that even the skeptics have not emphasized: If it is true that one could easily make an explosive from readily mixed liquids, why didn’t anyone who is suppossedly trying to protect us think about this over the past five years? It’s kind of like the cockpit door travesty: doors had been breached many times before in hijacking planes, but the government consciously refused to step in and remedy this. Which leaves the barn gate ajar for all manner of false flag operations.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 15 2006 13:53 utc | 1

“Infiltrate a group of stupid angry people and then abet them into enough talk that they can be indicted for conspiracy.”
Hmm. Can’t disagree with any of that, which indicates that I might have become a liability… not that anyone needs to infiltrate anything since I’m sharing my anger and stupidity with anyone who stands still long enough to listen.
Duly noted.
*exiting quietly*

Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 15 2006 14:07 utc | 2

Well, a friend of mine talked some years ago with some Syrian guy who basically reflected on how things were when he was still in Syria, something like 10-15 years ago, and he said that usually liquids weren’t allowed on their planes.
This, just like 9/11 multiple hijackings and plane-as-a-rocket concept, isn’t anything new to some informed or clever people. It’s at best that the ones in charge weren’t paying attention.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 15 2006 14:30 utc | 3

Intentionally.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 15 2006 14:49 utc | 4

and more:
What We Learned from Mainstream Media Last Week (and What We Didn’t)
Wanted: Terrorists to Resuscitate Republican Party
When All Else Fails, GOP Dials 9/11
Panic As Policy
from the 2nd: bushwa! (or bushwah) It’s in the dictionary – bull excrement.

Posted by: beq | Aug 15 2006 14:52 utc | 5

Hydroponic Terrorism Brilliant, Malooga.
Though of course sometimes the intelligence agencies allow their homegrown to plant bombs. Like Madrid.
And sometimes the intelligence agencies plant the bombs themselves. Like London.
it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings
Ah, the jury.
An endangered species.
Did you know that England once used the grand jury?
The cornerstone of the subject’s protection against the State’s use of arbitrary powers.
That’s where the Founders drew inspiration for the American Constitution.
The English Grand jury was abolished in 1933 by the British Parliament.
Did you know that the Human Rights Act, passed by the British Parliament in 1998, specifically excluded Article 13 of the European convention?
That’s the article that protects the citizen against the use of arbitrary powers by the State.
This is a very very long game.
And the only protection still standing is the jury.

Posted by: john | Aug 15 2006 15:12 utc | 6

It’s all about conditioning and programing. Yet another baby-step towards totalitarianism. Beginning with small rituals of disempowerment, humiliation etc… training us to think they are watching out for us, our saviors, by means of control. For example, recall the Patty Hearst syndrome theory (better known as “Stockholm syndrome “) of falling in love with her captors…; not so subtle mind conrol, in which one gives up their will as a cost of a form of survival mechanism. At first it’s little things like taking off your shoes and increasing restrictions regarding so-called “personal items” at the airport for one small example, incremental often subtle reliquishing of our control in overt and covert micro and macro ways. And it’s just begining; five years from now, which will be a decade away from sept 11, another generation will have grown accustom to it. Trading liberty for security, freedom for slavery.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 15 2006 15:16 utc | 7

If it is true that one could easily make an explosive from readily mixed liquids, why didn’t anyone who is suppossedly trying to protect us think about this over the past five years?
If this would be so easy, why has nobody used it?

But aside from that. Flying without laptop, mobile phone and all fluids kills business travel.

Posted by: b | Aug 15 2006 15:34 utc | 8

Yes b, but when is business travel at its’ lowest…… August
Expect resumption of normal services by Sept 1.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 15 2006 15:37 utc | 9

Headline in my local paper today tells us that “Airport X-rays can’t detect bombs in shoes,” according to an April 2005 Homeland Security engineering Study of Civil Aviation Security. Yet, the AP story continues, in most airports there have been no upgrades of detection equipment since this 2005 finding.
The report also found that a smaller quantity, than previously assumed, of explosive could set off a deadly blast. So the report actually recommends that MORE shoes be checked. And, now, a year after the report emerged, Transportation Secuirty has issued the edict that all passengers will remove their shoes to protect us from explosive liquids. Are they going to use the slosh test on our shoes?
Hard to see the logic in any of it, esp. when the scan is useless. Engineers wrote their part; the merchants of fear took over to write the conclusion and issue the orders, is all I can figure.

Posted by: small coke | Aug 15 2006 16:01 utc | 10

I encourage each and every MOA, to first and always review these things through the filter of problem reaction, solution. and you will invariably see through the muck.
Submit for Biometric Travel Interview
Just in case you don’t click through, this is from The Wall Street Journal. You guys will love this:
At airport security checkpoints in Knoxville, Tenn. this summer, scores of departing passengers were chosen to step behind a curtain, sit in a metallic oval booth and don headphones.
With one hand inserted into a sensor that monitors physical responses, the travelers used the other hand to answer questions on a touch screen about their plans. A machine measured biometric responses — blood pressure, pulse and sweat levels — that then were analyzed by software. The idea was to ferret out U.S. officials who were carrying out carefully constructed but make-believe terrorist missions.
The trial of the Israeli-developed system represents an effort by the U.S. Transportation Security Administration to determine whether technology can spot passengers who have “hostile intent.” In effect, the screening system attempts to mechanize Israel’s vaunted airport-security process by using algorithms, artificial-intelligence software and polygraph principles.
Neither the TSA nor Suspect Detection Systems Ltd., the Israeli company, will discuss the Knoxville trial, whose primary goal was to uncover the designated bad guys, not to identify threats among real travelers. They won’t even say what questions were asked of travelers, though the system is generally designed to measure physical responses to hot-button questions like “Are you planning to immigrate illegally?” or “Are you smuggling drugs.”
The test alone signals a push for new ways to combat terrorists using technology. Authorities are convinced that beyond hunting for weapons and dangerous liquids brought on board airliners, the battle for security lies in identifying dangerous passengers.
Note: I think someone else recently posted about this, however, not sure if the rest of the tale was told…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 15 2006 16:34 utc | 11

Latest from Greg Palast:

I’m going to tell you something which is straight-up heresy: America is not under attack by terrorists. There is no WAR on terror because, except for one day five years ago, al Qaeda has pretty much left us alone. . .
Am I saying there’s no danger, no threat? Sure there is: 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance. IBM is legally stealing from its employees’ pension plan and United Airlines has dumped its pensions altogether. Four-million three-hundred thousand Americans were injured, made sick or killed by their jobs last year. TXU Corporation is right now building four monster-sized power plants in Texas that will burn skuzzy gunk called “lignite.” The filth it will pour into the sky will snuff a heck of a lot more Americans than some goofy group of fanatics with bottles of hydrogen peroxide.
But Americans don’t ask for real protection from what’s killing us. The War on Terror is the Weapon of Mass Distraction. Instead of demanding health insurance, we have 59 million of our fellow citizens pooping in their pants with fear of Al Qaeda, waddling to the polls, crying, “Georgie save us!”

So, Osama Walks into This Bar, See?

Posted by: manonfyre | Aug 15 2006 16:50 utc | 12

Script for the latest UK mass-induced near-death experience? Funny how all these events alway seem to be recycled sequel and prequels of classic b horror movies eh? Just reworked and remade for todays audiences of the court of fear.
Oplan Bojinka

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 15 2006 16:55 utc | 13

#13 was unca’s..
Oh, and on preview, manonfyre, wasn’t there a link recently (hell, mighta been one of mine) with regards to the Justice –Just-us– Dept, that wanted to criminalize heresy? I bet they would love to get a hold of Mr. Palast if only he were in country.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 15 2006 17:05 utc | 14

uncle#11
the implications are freaky/futuristic, initially it rendered me commentless, i did however copy it and send it out to a few email buddies.
i immediately thought of starship troopers
the absurdity of freedom in a society whose masters can read your brain!

Posted by: annie | Aug 15 2006 17:26 utc | 15

Uncle, glad you didn’t let me down…I was going to post that one on “biometric” bullshit last night thinking of you…
Paul Craig Roberts finally got back from China. The trip refreshed his perspective. This conservative former ed. of WSJ editorial page is now quoting Thomas Keane, Prof. Steven Jones & Wayne Madsen in the same short piece!! It’s like reading MoA!! Enjoy.
I was in China when a July Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when Bush invaded that country and that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links with al-Qaida.
The Chinese leaders and intellectuals with whom I was meeting were incredulous. How could a majority of the population in an allegedly free country with an allegedly free press be so totally misinformed?
The only answer I could give the Chinese is that Americans would have been the perfect population for Mao and the Gang of Four, because Americans believe anything their government tells them.
Americans never check any facts. …
The two co-chairmen of the 9-11 commission report, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, have just released a new book, “Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9-11 Commission.” Kean and Hamilton reveal that the commission suppressed the fact that Muslim ire toward the United States is due to U.S. support for Israel’s persecution and dispossession of the Palestinians, not to our “freedom and democracy,” as Bush propagandistically claims. …
I still remember the enlightenment I experienced as a student in Russian studies when I learned that the Czarist secret police would set off bombs and then blame those whom they wanted to arrest.
When Hitler seized dictatorial power in 1933, he told the Germans that his new powers were made necessary by a communist terrorist attack on the Reichstag. When Hitler started World War II by invading Poland, he told the Germans that Poland had crossed the frontier and attacked Germany.
Governments lie all the time — especially governments staffed by neoconservatives whose intellectual godfather, Leo Strauss, taught them that it is permissible to deceive the public in order to achieve their agenda.

Scientists and engineers, such as Clemson University Professor of Engineering Dr. Judy Woods and BYU Professor of Physics Dr. Steven Jones, have raised compelling questions about the official account of the collapse of the three WTC buildings. The basic problem for the government’s account is that the buildings are known to have fallen at free-fall speed, a fact that is inconsistent with the government’s “pancaking” theory in which debris from above collapsed the floors below. If the buildings actually “pancaked,” then each floor below would have offered resistance to the floors above, and the elapsed time would have been much longer.
These experts have also calculated that the buildings did not have sufficient gravitational energy to accommodate the government’s theory of the collapse. It is certainly a known and non-controversial fact among physicists and engineers that the only way buildings can collapse at free fall speed into their own footprints is by engineered demolition. Explosives are used to remove the support of floors below before the debris from above arrives. Otherwise, resistance is encountered and the time required for fall increases.
….
Don’t ask me to tell you what happened on 9-11. All I know is that the official account of the buildings’ collapse is improbable.
Now we are being told another improbable tale. Muslim terrorists in London and Pakistan were caught plotting to commit mass murder by smuggling bottles of explosive liquids on board airliners in hand luggage. Baby formula, shampoo and water bottles allegedly contained the tools of suicide bombers.
How do we know about this plot? Well, the police learned it from an “Islamic militant arrested near the Afghan-Pakistan border several weeks ago.” And how did someone so far away know what British-born people in London were plotting?
Do you really believe that Western and Israeli intelligence services, which were too incompetent to prevent the 9-11 attack, can uncover a London plot by capturing a person on the Afghan border in Pakistan? Why would “an Islamic militant” rat on such a plot even if he knew of it?
More probable explanations of the “plot” are readily available. According to the Aug. 11 Wayne Madsen Report, informed sources in the United Kingdom say …Gullible Americans

Posted by: jj | Aug 15 2006 18:03 utc | 16

And yet . . . the Cheney, Ledeen, Kristol crew, with their “movement conservative” supporters, appears deliberately intent upon inciting a conflagration of cultures; radical themselves, bent upon radicalizing a whole generation of young muslims; putting out this fire with gasoline; our fundies proclaiming “Bring it on!” to their fundies, and vice versa; a fratricidal bloodbath between the sons of Abraham; all scripted by the ancient, tribal, viral hooey of the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran . . . If we bomb Iran, more fiery than all the munitions and more devastated than all the “targets” — millions hearts and minds will explode.
This probably isn’t really the forum for this sort of suggestion, but some sort of heavy, global, interfaith fatwah is in order. Old Testament and Koranic literalists (among others) are poisoning the hearts and minds of the faithful billions. The Rumi-wing of Islam needs to confab with some New Testament types, some Advaitists, Kabbalists, and masters of Dzogchen, and remind us all — with a huge Heart Shout — that God is Love.
Yes to all this secular, green-meme debate here in Left Blogistan. But, culturally, politically, so much of the onus of this accelerating descent into madness rests in the sway of the priests and yogis, imams and rabbis to whom so many turn for guidance.
As “spiritual” or irreligious or whatever any of us here may be, I think we need to recognise that the place that our collective fate is being hammered out — more than in forums like this, the “media,” or even legislative halls — is the local church, mosque, synagogue, and ashram.
We tend to emphasize politics and political stewardship here. But I wonder if it isn’t more our collective religious leadership that will hurl us or prevent us from tumbling beyond the brink into global war. Generally, we tend to direct our ire and craft our considered suggestions here toward secular leaders, especially politicians. I wonder if the real game won’t depend upon whether or not we light a fire under the asses of the “shepherds” — not a “write your congressperson” campaign, but a concerted, collective, global and mainstream movement to urge religious and spiritual guides everywhere to pull their heads out.
“Interfaith dialogue” or “religious tolerance” doubtless isn’t even a blip on a poll of pressing, political problems — nothing like “wise energy policy” or “health care” or any of a hundred “top” issues. But I’m wondering if it shouldn’t be.
Ask your congressperson to save the Arctic, raise the minimum wage, AND promote interfaith dialogue and religious tolerance!
“Nuclear exchange” is in the wind, my friends. Somebody needs to pull their head out.

Posted by: manonfyre | Aug 15 2006 19:42 utc | 17

The main aim of the false flag terror attacks in Britain is to wake up the Muslim community and make them feel to be victims of terrible injustice.
They react predictably with pacifying speeches, calls for moderation in the mosque, the community center, and facing outwards towards health services and the few pols, leaders; they throw out a clarion call to root out radicals, be straight, be proper, be nice, be reasonable…
Lambs to the slaughter.
Young Muslim men, stigmatised, not allowed to fly, surveilled, demeaned, treated with suspicion on the job, being suspected of harboring lice, holding to a crazed ideology, let’s not forget their fantasies about virgins and their treatment of women… well in Britain they have jobs and like to have a pint but you never know…
Murdoch and Blair, are chewing their fingernails, it is all too sloow, when will these f**** f**** react and move ??

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 15 2006 21:29 utc | 18

Noirette asked when will these f**** f**** react and move ??
Ask Hezbollah.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 15 2006 21:55 utc | 19

Noirette asked when will these f**** f**** react and move ??
Ask Hezbollah.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 15 2006 21:56 utc | 20

Noirette asked when will these f**** f**** react and move ??
Ask Hezbollah.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 15 2006 21:56 utc | 21

Noirette asked when will these f**** f**** react and move ??
Ask Hezbollah.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 15 2006 21:57 utc | 22

Jesus, Malooga, where’d you come up w/this goofy idea?
The main aim of the false flag terror attacks in Britain is to wake up the Muslim community and make them feel to be victims of terrible injustice.
They’re being used, but that’s secondary to the main aims…

Posted by: jj | Aug 16 2006 2:02 utc | 23

Not I, said the fly….
The only way to combat hydroponic terrorism is with high colonic anti-terrorism — at least that’s my theory, and I’ll stand behind it.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 16 2006 2:20 utc | 24

@ manonfyre:
Unitarian Universalists working toward interfaith peace movement. Rev. William SInkford, president of the Unitarian Universalist Association:

The widening conflict in the Middle East is a call to all people of conscience to witness for a just and lasting peace. As we work to end the violence, may we also find the courage to examine our own role in shaping the conditions that allow violence to flourish.

Churches for Middle East Peace

Posted by: catlady | Aug 16 2006 2:23 utc | 25

don’t forget the cayenne pepper in your colonic formula Malooga.

Posted by: Guthman Bey | Aug 16 2006 2:24 utc | 26

Liquids in airplanes is a far from new paranoia.
In February 1995 I had to board a 747 flying out of Sydney to Auckland. I remember the whole thing vividly because it was one of those trips from hell that seem to happen to peripatetic types intermittently, completely out of the blue. I had been flying all night from the Top End of Australia where I had grabbed a connection to Sydney after hopping off a Garuda Flight from Jakarta. Not only was there a mob of different airlines involved in this urgent dash, the flights had been cobbled together individually so that I had to pull our bags off, drag em through customs then recheck them at each border crossing.
“Us” was myself and my 3 year old daughter and 15 month old son.
Anyway by the time we got to Sydney we were pretty stuffed, the kids had been really good but they were tired and I was getting very bored with standing in line, holding my daughter’s hand with H… on my shoulders trying to push a luggage kart that had only three wheels, when TV crew came and stuffed a TV camera in my face and asked me how I was coping with the strike?
Apparently Sydney airport was under strike by ground staff and siege from the local residents all pissed that a third runway was being built to cope with the extra traffic for the 2000 Olympics. That would mean that a heavily populated swath of suburban Sydney was going to be turned into an approach path.
I may have sympathised with the protestors but had far more urgent things on my mind as I had to move kids, bags, and me from one end of the airport to another. The flight into Sydney was a domestic one and since the flight to Auckland was “International” I had to move to another terminal miles away with no taxis, shuttle buses or the like running. A definite steam out the ears moment, but still endeavouring to maintain a cheerful and informative demeanor for D…. and H…..
So after politely telling the newscrew if they didn’t want to help they should fuck off I wheeled the teetering pyramid of luggage towards the international terminal.
When I got there I discovered that there was a full blown security exercise going on.
It was weird because they kept telling us “This is just an exercise” but given all of the other shit going on ( the strike and the blockade of the roads so that commercial traffic couldn’t pass, very lightly policed for complex party political reasons that would take a doctorate in the relationship between the right wing of the Australian Labor Party, organised crime and the NSW Police to fully comprehend) why would anyone in their right mind lay on a full blown training exercise in the middle of all that?
The other weird thing was that it was just our flight. If a bomb threat had been made as part of anti runway action, even if only our flight had been threatened, the security services would normally check out all flights.
This was a long time before 911 and the Keating Govt had a fairly good relationship with Islamic nations in the region, after all that was what I had been doing in Asia. So bomb threats were taken seriously enough for all authorities to be able to cover their ass if something did happen. However no one really thought there was much chance they were real, so the checks could get fairly perfunctory.
Not on this one though. The blokes in charge spoke with North Amerikan accents which was strange in itself. Even stranger was the way they went through everything and confiscated all liquids. We had grabbed drinks after our trek, bottled water and choc milks, they made us finish the drinks we had opened and confiscated the others.
I used to carry a toilet bag with general blokey stuff in it in my shoulder bag hand luggage thing-ummy and had a few bottles of politically correct (non French, -nuclear testing, non animal tested) aftershave. I was fairly outspoken about losing them, unaware at the time of the impending change of status to full time parent that fate had been brewing. Full time parent would make such indulgences far more hassle than they were worth but that’s something else altogether.
Worst of all was the fine tooth comb these types were running through the children’s hand luggage, more correctly the bag of stuff I was taking on board for them. H….’s condition hadn’t really been noticed much less diagnosed but he had a couple of accidents in his mother’s care and there was a bottle of liquid kidstuff antibiotics amongst his gear. It had a prescription on it made out to him in exactly the same name as was in his passport.
They took it. I blew it because the whole journey had been a disaster. It has been totally unplanned and I thought I was going to be doing a tag with their mother; handing the children over so I could go back to Asia and take up a new gig. That was extremely stressful in itself as I had been determined that I wasn’t going to lose contact with these children. The trip had been a nightmare relieved only by the fine time the three of us had been having, but all the weirdness had started to sink in with L who had traveled with me a few times by now, and had sussed that what was happening wasn’t ‘normal’, so she was becoming unusually tetchy, as was H who could normally spend hours on my shoulders, even falling asleep but still hanging on.
Some little septic tank prick in a suit was telling me I couldn’t carry prescription antibiotics from Australia to NZ. We were citizens of both countries and I doubted he was a citizen of either. It was just too much to take and totally beyond the pale. Anyway after my mini-explosion a bigger seppo in a newer suit came up to ‘see what the problem was’. I told him and after he checked the medicine label and bottle for the 57th time, and our passports for the 104th he took his underling to the side and told him to let us keep the medicine.
We got a receipt for all the rest of the stuff, so we could pick it up the next time we flew thru Sydney I suppose. Anyone who has traveled with children will know the sort of physical osmosis that much of their ‘necessities’ undergo. Everything moves from the baggage, suitcases and boxes into your carry-all as the trip progresses. Things like children’s non-irritant shampoo, conditioner, mouthwash for sore gums, all sorts of shit. We lost the lot.
I was so tired the whole thing took on a weird sort of surreal tone, but I do remember one thing and that was that while a handful of ordinary bourgeois travelers were going absolutely apeshit , the vast majority were extremely pliable sheep. This was before 911 and the Auckland Sydney flight is only about 1600 kilometres and a very long way from anywhere else. This means that not only would the 737 only be gassed up enough to do that trip and no more, there wasn’t any other country (other than Oz or NZ) within flight range, so a hi-jacking was unlikely.
It wasn’t a training exercise and an actual bomb threat was pretty unlikely judging by the way all other flights were ignored, hi-jacking was improbable, the fact that we had just come through from the most populous Islamic nation in the world was a non-issue, and where did the amerikans come from?
My best guess was this
The groundcrew strike and airport blockade must have made it too difficult for Carol to use the Popeplane. The feeling may have been that the third runway protests could drag on for a few days so his ‘olinesses goons may have decided to take their chances with NZ’s Presbyterians and get him out from there.
It’s the only thing that fits. “Upstairs” was closed off but the plane wasn’t that full so that wasn’t particularly surprising but I remember being miffed because in those days the upper level of Qantas planes were the only berths with individual video screens.
Anyway aside from alla the guff, the thing is that authorities were wise to the problems associated with liquids on planes years ago and were making sure that none of the elite could be exposed to them. As for the rest of us? well tough shit unless we need to distract ya.
There is also one other outcome from this whole episode which hasn’t been considered AFAIK.
That is the fuel savings that airlines will make now they have specious grounds to restrict peoples hand baggage. I understand they have already ‘found’ much smaller slots you have to be able to push yer bag thru in order to comply, so mebbe this wasn’t such a surprise for the airlines after all. Remember that what ever you can’t take on board with you is likely to be excess baggage and charged as such.
There’s a whole slew of other issues about the timing of the ‘scare’ especially since ‘the authorities’ have admitted that it wasn’t intelligence of an impemding attack that made them move when they did.
This would have to be the busiest time that would inconvenience the most people. As you can see from my spiel above I still remember the whole episode vividly 10+ years later and yet I doubt I can remember anything else about that trip.
By staging this farce when they did the poms have ensured that the largest possible number will remember the event and hopefully blame the towel jowls.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 16 2006 6:31 utc | 27

On the implausibility of the explosives plot

So, I’m doing a bunch of reading, and I find the claimed method the
“highly sophisticated” attackers came up with for bringing down
airliners kind of implausible. I wonder if it could ever work in
reality.
A disclaimer, I’m working entirely off of news reported by people who
don’t know the difference between soft drinks and nail polish remover,
but the information I’ve seen has the taste of being real. As near as
I can tell, it is claimed that the terrorists planned to make organic
peroxides in situ on board an airplane and use them to destroy the
plane.
This seems, at least given my initial examination of the idea,
implausible.

Posted by: b | Aug 16 2006 17:56 utc | 28

More for you manonfyre, from the religious front
from the World Council of Churches
For immediate release – 16/08/2006 06:38:06 PM
ECUMENICAL DELEGATION RETURNS FROM BEIRUT AND JERUSALEM, TRANSMITS CONCERNS OF THE CHURCHES
“Why such awful destruction?” was the question heard over and over again by members of an ecumenical pastoral delegation in relation to Israel’s attacks on Lebanon.
Entrusted by the WCC, the Conference of European Churches (CEC), the Lutheran World Federation (LWF), and the World Alliance of Reformed Churches (WARC) with the mission of expressing global ecumenical solidarity with churches and people affected by the conflict in the Middle East, the delegation returned with the task of transmitting the hopes and expectations of the churches in Lebanon, Palestine and Israel to the international ecumenical family.
Reporting on their 10-15 August visit to Beirut and Jerusalem, the three members of the delegation – CEC President Rev. Jean-Arnold de Clermont, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Tours (France) Mgr. Bernard Aubertin, and WCC programme executive on racism, Ms Marilia Alves-Schüller – emphasized that the representatives of Lebanon’s various communities with whom they met had all agreed that the answer to that question is that the destruction was both deliberate and planned.
In support of that analysis, community leaders mentioned their concern at the growing influence of neo-conservative forces in the US on Israel’s political leadership. In particular they questioned US secretary of state Condoleeza Rice’s comment that “The suffering of Lebanon is the labour pains of the new Middle East”.
The delegation also wished to strongly affirm all that representatives of Lebanon’s different communities had shared with them about the over-riding value of the multi-cultural and multi-confessional nature of their society. For the community leaders, this represents a guarantee for peace. They noted that Lebanese of all religious faiths – Christians and Muslims, both Sunni and Shi’ia – had remained firmly unified despite the enormously divisive pressures of the war.
The second message members of the delegation brought back was that it is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and not the role and actions of Hezbollah that is at the heart of the present crisis. Nevertheless, the delegation reported that all religious leaders with whom they spoke condemned all use of indiscriminate violence from whatever source, including Hezbollah.
Welcoming the delegation to the Ecumenical Centre on behalf of the four Geneva-based sponsoring ecumenical organizations, WCC general secretary Rev. Dr Samuel Kobia concurred that “It is only by addressing the Israel-Palestine issue, and only a comprehensive and just settlement of that issue that can bring peace and security in the Middle East”.
In Jerusalem, the delegation heard both the chief rabbi and the chief judge of the Islamic court separately voicing the same negative perceptions of each other’s communities. “They have no compassion for their children,” both men had declared. Another view the delegation also heard expressed was that the idea of permanent warfare seems to dominate thinking in the Middle East, and that there is a need for all thinking in the region to be demilitarized.
Although perceptions of “the other” bode ill for the ability to return together to the negotiating table and overcome mutual distrust and grief, members of the delegation said that they had also heard many church leaders voicing concern about how people can remove the hatred from their hearts and learn to live together as neighbours.
As “a tangible and concrete expression of the ecumenical family’s solidarity and a way of sharing their grief,” the visit from the ecumenical delegation was a sign of the World Council’s intention to broaden its coordination of the ecumenical response to the Middle East crisis, and for more concerted efforts in this direction, Kobia explained.
“The situation in the Middle East is changing,” he said. “A new political, economic and moral landscape requires new elements to be brought into the equation for a just peace in the Middle East.” New WCC programmes mandated by the WCC’s recent (February 2006) Assembly will lay the groundwork for that, Kobia said.
A 16 August message signed by the general secretaries of the WCC, CEC, LWF, and WARC and distributed at a press conference with the ecumenical delegation concludes: “In the light of all that they tell us, we shall during the next weeks reflect prayerfully and urgently together on the contribution which the churches can make in furthering the cause of peace in the Middle East.”
The full texts of recent WCC statements on the Middle East are available in the WCC on-line press room
http://wcc-coe.org/wcc/press_corner/index-e.html
Other statements by churches and church-related groups appear on the Decade to Overcome Violence website
http://overcomingviolence.org/en/resources/thematic-summaries/statements-on-the-middle-east-crisis.html
This release is being jointly issued by the World Council of Churches, the Conference of European Churches and the World Alliance of Reformed Churches.

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