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July 17, 2006
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As ohsopolite has appositely remarked in the previous thread, nowadays we can add to the Big Three Slogans the contemporary statement “George Bush is President.” http://tinyurl.com/px48w
Posted by: Fannie Farmer (Mrs.) | Jul 17 2006 21:00 utc | 1
Jeez, I hate it when I push that post button without a good solid proofing. (Like, say, making sure I’m posting on the right thread.)
Thanks, FF(Mrs.)!
Posted by: ohsopolite | Jul 17 2006 21:25 utc | 2
Billmon: you are nuts. Israel hasn’t used but a fraction of its power. Hizbollah had collected 13000 missiles and radar (from where?). What was Israel supposed to do, put up with this? Hizballah are Islamist thugs, maniacs, who deserve to be wiped out, EVERY DAMN LAST ONE.
Israel is winning and you just don’t like it.
Boo fucking hoo.
Posted by: shira | Jul 17 2006 23:13 utc | 3
Boo fucking hoo, indeed, shira.
Why don’t you go check out the odds in Vegas.
Posted by: Miss Manners | Jul 17 2006 23:33 utc | 4
winning?
winning?
winning?
insane.
tick. tick. tick. tock. countdown to final ignition fueled by the the right of the right to be boastfully and vaingloriously ignorant while picking fights until all are dead. tick tick tick tock. Insane people. A zombie army eager to gorge on living flesh.
Posted by: razor | Jul 18 2006 0:23 utc | 5
shira, you sound like general paulus in 1942, & with as much historical shallowness
the israeli government brings shame to the jewish people. what began as a policy at deir yassin & continued right through to sabra & chatilla has now extended to the new shia crescent of the middle east
i know the generation of my parents would feel nothing but shame at the acts that are conceived by a leadership whom are without real political vision except for the use of brutal force
& that brutal force did not work in vietnam, it did not work in south africa, & it will not work in occupied palestine
Posted by: r’giap | Jul 18 2006 0:32 utc | 6
Neocons Resurrect Plans For Regional War In The Middle East
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 18 2006 1:06 utc | 7
I wonder if the Us populace remembers that our own troops were in Beirut in the 80’s …and what made them leave. Will we see history repeat itself? I fear yes.
Shira, cheering the wiping out of Lebanese families with kids is the sign of a bloodthirsty pawn. You serve a greater evil when you define winning in such a manner.
More likely, you are grossly misinformed about the very nature of the conflict.
Posted by: gylangirl | Jul 18 2006 1:09 utc | 8
I don’t know what country or city shira lives in.
If the authorities there discovered that a terrorist lived in her neighborhood; and rather than use the police and judicial system to apprehend, the authorities decided to shoot missiles into a crowd of her neighbors on the corner, or into neighbor commuters in their cars, or into the apartments or houses around her; resulting in X innocent civilian casualities including members of Shira’s ownhousehold, shira’s tune would be quite different indeed.
Posted by: gylangirl | Jul 18 2006 1:18 utc | 9
“i know the generation of my parents would feel nothing but shame at the acts that are conceived by a leadership whom are without real political vision except for the use of brutal force”
Nicely put r’giap.
My own, admittedly not very faithful, Jewish side, has always abhored the hijacking of such human pain and suffering — really beyond normally human — as the holocaust by the likes of shira and all of such limited and mean spirit [lack of] vision. In the U.S., the neocons and their camp followers come to mind.
The kindest thing I can think to say of such is that they must be at least immature, if not horribly damaged souls. I speak from the evolution of my own thinking over the last 40 years.
Posted by: DonS | Jul 18 2006 1:22 utc | 10
shira,
I do hope you respond to your detractors here. I love to watch the transformation of dumb meat into mincemeat.
Posted by: Juannie | Jul 18 2006 1:50 utc | 11
The word ‘winning’ is never written on headstones. All I see is Israel copying US copying Israel… Let’s see what the last guy got away with and up the ante. Whatever shred of sympathy Israel had from the non-delusional has been eliminated as Israel shows us the root meaning of terrorism- Attacking innocent people at random to create enough fear to achieve one’s aims.
And as for the willing enablers, Bush, Blair, Chirac, Putin, etc.- If another 9-11 wasn’t in the works, it sure is now.
Posted by: biklett | Jul 18 2006 2:19 utc | 12
biklett
i can’t imagine any other history is possible. as each hour passes the arab nation is being enabled but not like the great secular panarabist would have wanted but one that is in fact a mirror of the brutality it has experienced under the force of israel & american policies & over the last fifty years
in lebanon, they have truly opened up the gates of hell & as erekat sd there seems to be nowhere to return – i imagine syria will be attacked as a message to iran even tho their connection is limited to say the least
on the infotainement – each question is preceded like some old robin williams routine -syri/iran – syria/iran – haifa -haifa – iran/syria – one would have to be absolutely thick to miss the talikng points & yes they will get away with it in the first instance
but what a world we are inheriting – what a fucking world
Posted by: r’giap | Jul 18 2006 2:29 utc | 13
James Woolsey calls for an attack on Syria
Fuck it, lets really get this war on, I vote we attack China and Russia and Iran, N. Korea and syria!
Yee ha!! ride em cowboy! lets scalp us some dark & yellers!
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 18 2006 2:30 utc | 14
Unca,
Does the phrase “…fight and win major simultaneous multiple theater wars” ring any bells to you…? Did you assume that because the “winning” part hasn’t materialised that the rest of the plans on that document have been shelved? I would suggest you re-read it; it outlines everything we are seeing as well as everything we can expect to see.
The proliferation of provocateurs like we see at #3 above were also implicitly mentioned. (@gylangirl- I don’t know what city or country they reside in either, but it’s even money that they have an eagle on their ID.) Do not be surprised by the new tolls and trolls on the ‘net, they were announced (page five, if my memory serves… I no longer have access to my physical copy).
Posted by: Monolycus | Jul 18 2006 3:11 utc | 15
The word ‘winning’ is never written on headstones. All I see is Israel copying US copying Israel… Let’s see what the last guy got away with and up the ante. Whatever shred of sympathy Israel had from the non-delusional has been eliminated as Israel shows us the root meaning of terrorism- Attacking innocent people at random to create enough fear to achieve one’s aims.
Maybe I’m confused, but if I recall history, the people who murdered the Lakota, hunted down Tasmanians like animals, turned Congo into heart of darkness, and the authors of 10 million other genocides seem to have done pretty well. Despite a few show trials, even the Germans got away with it – living fat and happy in a largely judenrein Europe. Terrorism and genocide works – visit the museums of Europe and see how profitable it can be. Who remembers the Armenians, the non-Croatians who used to live in Croatia, the Mandans, the Kang, and on and on. After the Romans butchered their way through Palestine it took 2000 years for the re-establishment of the Jewish state. That’s a lasting solution.
For me, it’s enough to say that what Israel is doing is terrible and unforgiveable. I don’t claim to understand how to balance it against competing atrocities or how to make everything work out tidily in some magic story of how history or God or blood validates some theory
.
Posted by: citizen k | Jul 18 2006 3:17 utc | 16
Since this discussion is going on over several threads, I noted on another one (OT?) that Geo. Will shreds NeoNuts in tomorrows WarPost – stop by Steve Clemons for more. Anyone think there’s a chance he can help galvanize a counter-attack?
This shit is the price we’re paying for Fitzgerald not being strong enough to indict Cheney…that undertaking wasn’t just for our amusement…
Posted by: jj | Jul 18 2006 3:39 utc | 17
@jj
It’s hard for me to see how Will’s efforts will galvanize anything at this point except to expedite his own inclusion on a Homeland Security watchlist.
I agree with you, the Fitzgerald investigation was not so much about accountability as it was a time-out for the neocons to check their pulse. Losing Scooter can only be deemed acceptable by them, and they are making every effort now to “legitimise” their own actions post facto so that the fish higher up on the food chain won’t meet with the same fate as Scooter. Now that the SCOTUS is safely on board and Congress sufficiently cowed, it’s full steam ahead with this New Century business.
Posted by: Monolycus | Jul 18 2006 4:02 utc | 18
Here’s what the “Opposition” Party looks like:
Speaking at a large demonstration in support of Israel in Manhattan on Monday, United States Senator Hillary Clinton expressed unreserved support for Israel and commended President George Bush for his stance in the present crisis.
Clinton said on Monday that all Americans, whether Democrats or Republicans, stood behind Israel at this time.
The demonstration, which drew an estimated 5,000 people, was described as one of the largest Jewish events in recent years. Senator Clinton: All Americans are standing behind Israel
In Nixon Era, we still had the 4th Estate (young barflies prob. don’t even know what that is!!!) before it was destroyed by the wet dreams of the Wall St. Predators & the CIA (and KGraham’s close links thereto), which Cheney & Rumbo immediately set about neutralizing.
Now, as far as I can see, all we’ve got are:
1)Conservatives – thankfully, John Dean’s book just came out calling a fascist a fascist, albeit using drawing room parlance – ie. “authoritarian”. I’ve been wondering when they’d speak up to regain their ground. Were I a conservative I’d be damn insulted to have these obvious brownshirts called fascists. This should open up some ground for them to step forward & travel about the country speaking out & forming alliances.
2) Military – as we know from Sy H. large numbers are totally opposed to this recklessness; and they should be very comfortable following their oath to the Constitution & forming alliances w/Conservatives.
3) Liberals – are there any? Where?
4) Mainstream Churches – ground opened for them by prominent role being played by Fascist Theocratics among them. (I posted a link discussing their trip to DC to link up w/NeoNuts & Israelis to lobby for clobbering Iran.)
I don’t know where that leaves most Americans…but at least I would think that Steve Clemons might speak to fellow bloggers to build grass roots pressure for demanding Realists (Scowcroft, et al) take charge of ME policy, via special office outside of Official Bureacracy.
As I said this wkend when Uncle posted the link to Kotlikoff’s paper for St. Louis Fed on US going broke, NYT could be pushed into featuring this.
Posted by: jj | Jul 18 2006 4:31 utc | 19
@Mono-, right. These guys win by never backing down. Sy Hersh said that Cheney’s Office has 50 damn people working for it AND the identities of Most Are SECRET. So, one wing has had time to scheme…
Posted by: jj | Jul 18 2006 4:33 utc | 20
even those who make snide remarks about Hilary’s ankles don’t insult her by saying she is so stocky she constitutes an entire opposition party. Rumor has it Hilary is Hilary, an ambitious senator from New York, with a pro Israel Jewish constituency that is a vital cog in democratic politics. Another gordian know no one knows how to cut, including those who reduce things to unrealities.
Posted by: razor | Jul 18 2006 4:58 utc | 21
I dunno how much coverage this got in amerika yet but is Karl Rove at his best. Bush is eating luncheon at the G8 when the Bliar comes up to him; Junior is seated, the Bliar standing to the side arms rested on the back of the vacant chair next to Junior. The Independent has taken great delight in reprinting the exchange verbatim as it shows the Bliar at his very ‘umble Uriah heap worst.
Bush: Yo, Blair. How are you doing? (Does he regard Mr Blair as an equal? What about ‘Yo, Tony’?)
Blair: I’m just…
Bush: You’re leaving?
Blair: No, no, no not yet. On this trade thingy….(inaudible) (Mr Blair is getting anxious that the World Trade Organisation is falling apart because some nations, including the US, are putting domestic interests before a worldwide free trade agreement)
Bush: Yeah, I told that to the man.
Blair: Are you planning to say that here or not?
Bush: If you want me to.
Blair: Well, it’s just that if the discussion arises…
Bush: I just want some movement.
Blair: Yeah.
Bush: Yesterday we didn’t see much movement.
Blair: No, no, it may be that it’s not, it may be that it’s impossible.
Bush: I am prepared to say it.
Blair: But it’s just I think what we need to be an opposition…
Bush: Who is introducing the trade?
Blair: Angela (The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, will lead the trade discussion. That is good for Mr Blair. She is on his side.)
Bush: Tell her to call ’em.
Blair: Yes.
Bush: Tell her to put him on, them on the spot. Thanks for the sweater it’s awfully thoughtful of you.
Blair: It’s a pleasure.
Bush: I know you picked it out yourself.
Blair: Oh, absolutely, in fact (inaudible)
Bush: What about Kofi? (inaudible) His attitude to ceasefire and everything else … happens. (Change of subject. Now they are on to Lebanon and the UN secretary general, Kofi Annan)
Blair: Yeah, no I think the (inaudible) is really difficult. We can’t stop this unless you get this international business agreed.
Bush: Yeah. (Mr Blair is trying to push the idea of a UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon. That ‘yeah’ does not sound like a wholehearted agreement)
Blair: I don’t know what you guys have talked about, but as I say I am perfectly happy to try and see what the lie of the land is, but you need that done quickly because otherwise it will spiral. (Meaning: ‘Please, George, let me go to the Middle East and be a world statesman’)
. . . . . “
It goes on a lot longer but the best bit is when shrub gets toooo hammy and the Bliar realises he’s been had.
Bush: I felt like telling Kofi to call, to get on the phone to Assad and make something happen.
Blair: Yeah.
Bush: (inaudible)
Blair:(inaudible)
Bush: We are not blaming the Lebanese government.
Blair: Is this…? (at this point Blair taps the microphone in front of him and the sound is cut.)
That ‘we’re not blaming the Lebanese government was as the poms say “a dead giveaway”
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 18 2006 5:16 utc | 22
this is too good. Plus the Merkel backrub on the same day!
Who is writing this script?
Posted by: citizen k | Jul 18 2006 5:31 utc | 23
jj: Sy Hersh said that Cheney’s Office has 50 damn people working for it AND the identities of Most Are SECRET. So, one wing has had time to scheme…
jj & poster #20, this goes into Billmon’s latest post about Bush/Blair caught on open mike. Does anyone think Cheney is out reading “My Pet Goat?”
Hezbollah website hosted by a US defense subcontractor?
Where have we seen this before hmmm?
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 18 2006 7:40 utc | 25
Interesting piece (Billmon linked to it in his update) from David Clark.
Unfortunately, Mr Clark is a former advisor to the UK Foreign Office.
Posted by: Dismal Science | Jul 18 2006 13:17 utc | 26
From this morning’s headlines on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman:
“Sen. Hillary Clinton Vows Support for Israel At Rally
Meanwhile on Monday thousands of supporters of Israel gathered in New York. Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton addressed the crowd vowing support for Israel.
Sen. Hillary Clinton: “We will support her efforts to send a message to Hamas, Hezbollah, to the Syrians, to the Iraniains, to all who seek death and domination instead of life and freedom that we will not permit this to happen and we will take whatever steps are necessary.”
Prior to the rally, Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch threw a fundraising breakfast for Hillary Clinton in New York.”
Dude, where’s my opposition party?
Posted by: gylangirl | Jul 18 2006 15:26 utc | 27
What’s really strange is the complete contradiction to Hillary’s line that Bill expressed when interviewed yesterday. To paraphrase: We save lives by constantly engaging in negotiations, without worrying about whether or not we can immediately achieve “success.”
Posted by: the 2nd anonymous poster | Jul 18 2006 16:23 utc | 28