Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 7, 2006
Swamp Dreams

Swamp Dreams I (detail)

by b real

Swamp Dreams I (full view – 300 kb)
Swamp Dreams II (full view – 300 kb)

Comments

Oooooooo, b real! Nice! (scene from a kayak?)

Posted by: beq | Jul 7 2006 16:58 utc | 1

merci b real

Posted by: r’giap | Jul 7 2006 17:47 utc | 2

Spectacular. B real, how do you do this? I mean, how did this image come to you? I love this, but could never have created it? Perhaps you could give us a tiny bit of insight into the creative process.

Posted by: Aigin | Jul 7 2006 17:53 utc | 3

wow, b real. very nice. metallic sun water.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 7 2006 18:11 utc | 4

Grand. Lovely. Thanks

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 7 2006 18:34 utc | 5

beq- yes. good eye!
aigin- how did this image come to you?
see beq’s #1. i could never have created it either 🙂
thanks for the comments, all & thanks to b for hosting/posting!

Posted by: b real | Jul 7 2006 19:34 utc | 6

excellent, i love it. how did you do it? is it water? the deep green is one of my favorite colors. how big is the area

Posted by: annie | Jul 7 2006 19:35 utc | 7

Niiice! Brings me back to time spent rowing through the reeds of a salt marsh. Be it photograph? Oils? Encaustic? Thanks for sharing, b real. Love how organic it feels, and somehow historic and even pastoral, like a view into the canal system of an ancient civilization.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 7 2006 20:58 utc | 8

bush’s fevered swamp dream today- in an appearance he talked about all the jobs created (I don’t have the data, but I would bet big money those jobs are service sector.)
meanwhile, in the reality-based world: bad news for jobs/inflation
I was talking to some folks who run bizzes in my town, and summer is generally a slow season here, but I learned that *the* local gay dance bar was drawing 6 (!!) ppl only some nights…they’re closing down…another guy who sells high end goods like silver said it’s dead…same with other store owners I spoke to.
Bush also talked about small biz owners. He’s the worst thing that’s happened to small biz owners since…his daddy.
on this news, time for me to go to where the kayak’s roam in my neck of the woods.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 7 2006 21:16 utc | 9

Oh, I just want to jump in….a visual antidote to to the heat, I feel cooler just looking at it. I love this!

Posted by: Amurra | Jul 7 2006 23:22 utc | 10

b real, in catching up on internet reading i missed while computerless last week i came across a post on a blog penned by a wonderful writer who writes under the name exmearden. in this post she writes of rivers and swamps and questions and it struck me as fortuitous that i should bump into it in the context of your swamp dreams, so i am linking to it and a fine piece of writing by norman maclean in case anyone else wants to meander over there.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 8 2006 3:10 utc | 11

yes, these are photographs. au naturale. the only post-production work necessary was to crop, resample, and lighten each image just a smidgen so that they weren’t too dark. otherwise, in this particular series i limit myself strictly to the documentation of alternative ways of seeing the natural world as it presents itself to us. first nature can be sooo sublime.
sadly, the dreams of this swamp are threatened. peabody coal is hoping to build a 1,500-megawatt coal-fired power plant w/i 90 miles of this national wildlife refuge, 8000 acres of which are designated as a wilderness area. there are already problems in the area due to air pollution, and the new prairie state power plant will add another “25,000 additional tons of air pollution a year” according to oppositional sources. and “even by the company’s own estimates, if the plant ran every day, it would release more than 11 million tons of carbon dioxide annually, though these emissions are not subject to federal regulation. That’s roughly equivalent to the annual output of more than 1.8 million cars in normal use, according to EPA spokesman John Millett.”
so these are dreams for now, but they could portend nightmares very soon

Posted by: b real | Jul 8 2006 6:16 utc | 12

thank you for drawing my attention to the exme essay, conchita!

Posted by: b real | Jul 8 2006 6:30 utc | 13

abstract expressionism in nature, fluid, makes me thirsty.

Posted by: anna missed | Jul 8 2006 8:52 utc | 14

holy shit, I could of swore I could see the gesso mixing with the green goopy acrylic.
Over there on the right … now you’ve completely fucked me up. I blame Bernhard for starting this whole head-bending art thing. What is it, a full moon?

Posted by: jonku | Jul 8 2006 10:46 utc | 15

beq, fauxreal, annie, noirette, conchita — you guys got it right away; now that b real said it’s a photo I can see the perspective, where the top of the frame is wider than the bottom. But I first saw a painting.
My ignorant eye interpreted the flat onscreen image as a flat canvas … I can still see heaps and mounds of paint, sculpted by b real’s hand … a method I have seen a couple of good examples of by other artists.
Pace rememberinggiap, now signing as r’giap, “merci b real.”

Posted by: jonku | Jul 8 2006 10:55 utc | 16

jonku
when i’m not working from home or on somebody else’s computer i sign as r’giap

Posted by: r’giap | Jul 8 2006 12:31 utc | 17

Claro.

Posted by: jonku | Jul 8 2006 12:40 utc | 18

That is the pretty. As we are having somewhat of a drought right now here in little ol England, water is beginning to look exceptionally beautiful in all its forms.

Posted by: Dismal Science | Jul 8 2006 13:45 utc | 19

Alas, if ya ever been down ‘nawlins way, you know that there is a posionous beauty to the swamps. Ever get caught in a “gator hole” staring into a gator’s eyes or a nest of water moccasin the quite beauty turns fast into heart pounding terror. They (these boggs), can be deceiving , and quite dangerous. As many southern hassocks and bogs, in mississippi, georgia, florida etc…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 8 2006 15:04 utc | 20

Amos Moses
Jerry Reed
Yay! Here comes Amos!
Now Amos Moses was a Cajun.
He lived by hisself in the swamp.
He hunted alligator for a livin’;
He’d just knock them in the head with a stump.
The Louisiana law gonna get you, Amos.
It ain’t legal hunting alligator down in the swamp, boy!
Now everybody blamed his old man
For making him mean as a snake:
When Amos Moses was a boy
His daddy would use him for alligator bait- Tie a rope around his waist and throw him in the swamp! (Ha-ha-ha!) Alligator bait in the Louisiana bayou!
About forty-five minutes southeast of Thibodeaux, Louisiana Lived a man called Doc Mills South and his pretty wife Hannah.
Well, they raised up a son that could eat up his weight in groceries- Named him after a man of the cloth; Called him Amos Moses. (Yay! Ha-ha!)
Now the folks around south Louisiana
Said Amos was a hell of a man-
He could trap the biggest, the meanest alligator And just use one hand.
That’s all he got left ‘cau’ de alligator bit it! (Ha-ha-ha!) Left arm gone clean up to the elbow!
Well the sheriff caught wind that Amos
Was in the swamp trappin’ alligator skin, So he snuck in the swamp: “Gonna get de boy,”
But he never came out again.
Well, I wonder where the Louisiana sheriff went to . . .
Well you can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou!
About forty-five minutes southeast of Thibodeaux, Louisiana Lived a cat called Doc Mills South and his pretty wife Hannah.
Well, they raised up a son that could eat up his weight in groceries- Named him after a man of the cloth; Called him Amos Moses!
Sit down on ’em, Amos!
Make it count, son!
About forty-five minutes southeast of Thibodeaux, Louisiana . . .

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 8 2006 16:03 utc | 21

i like the reflection of the clouds in the top rt corner of SD1. very dreamlike

Posted by: annie | Jul 8 2006 16:43 utc | 22

psych, dude. but, I’m disappointed when the object of art which seems nonidiomatic and abstract, is revealed to be a photo of something. it loses somehow the power of itself as object.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 8 2006 17:43 utc | 23

yeah, slothrop, I almost didn’t say it was a photo (well, didn’t directly), because, like jonku, I can see the paint. you just have to keep from reading the comments to maintain the illusion…in more ways than one…considering the content of most comments on this site.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 8 2006 18:38 utc | 24

Maybe “Quagmire Dreams”? I swear I see faces in there, and hands, etc.

Posted by: correlator | Jul 8 2006 23:22 utc | 25

In his classic essay “The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction,” Walter Benjamin maintained that when a painting or other work of art is reproduced, and made generally available, it loses something. It loses “its presence in time and space, its unique existence at the place where it happens to be.” It also loses, he argued, its “authenticity … its testimony to the history which it has experienced .. [its] traditional value” within a given “cultural heritage.” Although the reproduction of an art work makes its acquisition more democratic, the reproduction is also less sacred. Ripped from its original context, its original meanings are lost. Benjamin called that which is lost in the reproduction of art the “aura.” What was special in the original – its aura – is liquidated, fragmented, deconsecrated in the copy.
– stuart ewen, all consuming images: the politics of style in contemporary culture, p. 93

in the end, it is that concept of the aura to which benjamin refers that i desire to preserve, if possible at this point. our manipulative commodity cultures are already saturated in countless diembodied images/objects which, separated from their original sources, peeling surface form from matter & extinguishing true context, contribute to our collective alienation from reality, ourselves & the natural world. hopefully, the integration of the image w/ its source, instead of being a buzzkill, stimulates further appreciation & awareness of the real world that (still) resides outside the artificial illusions (deceptions) of modern life. don’t see them as objects, but, instead, as another way of seeing.

Posted by: b real | Jul 9 2006 0:18 utc | 26

I’m disappointed when the object of art which seems nonidiomatic and abstract, is revealed to be a photo of something
i don’t feel that way at all. this kind of beauty is all around us but we don’t see it. i love photographs that show you waht you eye, or your imagination completely misses. i kept looking at the piece, could it really be water? does water really do that, is there oil in it. are the dark stripes the reflection of the artist. i love close up of lichen. sections of clouds. i love seeing the way nature mirrors our emotions, or we mirror what we see tho we don’t know we are doing it. i believe evry physical thing is a manifestation of energy, to see that energy close up, w/a differnt view, thru an artist eye, brilliant
wow, i just wrote that before i read what you wrote b real. i was working my way down from my last post and got stuck on sloths comment. now that i have read about the aura, i think this is very much what i meant. the energy eminating from the physical transforming , we absorb it and it resonates w/the part of us that contains the same energy. yikes, i better shut my mind before i completely sound like a fool.

Posted by: annie | Jul 9 2006 1:06 utc | 27

hehe.
one thing about benjamin’s famous essay is the dual character of mass-produced art: it’s sudden availability contributes to decommodification on the one hand, and on the other hand is stripped of its “aura.” this leads to the interesting question whether decommodification, so essential to the liberation of human beings, destroys the power of the object to say anything at all. the dialectic here expresses in ways we scarcely imagine, just how deeply the catastrophe of consumerism afflicts humanity.
I was thinking more along the lines of why I feel cheated when I discover that what appears to be abstract art is swiftly betrayed as photography. this is no criticism of your fine composition, only an observation of my own reaction to the piece.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 9 2006 1:14 utc | 28

i appreciate it much more knowing that it is ‘real’. i think to replicate nature as i see it has always been one of my goals as an artist. but to capture nature as it is, and surprise the viewer, this is paramount in photography imho.

Posted by: annie | Jul 9 2006 1:14 utc | 29

b real
what benjamin calls aura – i have named in my work here – an interior symbolic order
an order that is in & of itself materialist
an order that by it’s nature is mysterious & a mystery
i have constantly worked with the disinherited but it has only been in the last 15 years that i have undertood practically their proximity to the essence of that order
without psychoanalysis, without metaphysics, without jung & without the false spirituality of ‘things’ – i have begun to see in many different people in many different cultures – a disitegration of being that is utterly related from that order
this is to say that before education & the fucked family destroys us – which it does at an even younger age today than 50 years ago – there is a relation we have with elemnets, natural & otherwise that are deeply connected to our way of seeing. the way we each understand a tree, a wheel or a table are born in thes moments & i assume are the only things as children we have confidence in – because they constitute our material worlds, our auras if you will
& these auras are destroy with great premeditation & with the careless thoutlessness that is characterist of those who exercise power through their vulgarity of which rupert murdoch is the most obvious example
the forces of power create diretly, then indirecly – for the most part chaotically (but i repeat that inside this chaos there is great premeditation)- that creates in the people disassociation, disintegration & degredation
i witness here in france younger & younger people who are profoundly lost – at a level of interiority – religion would suggest that it is because they lack spiiritual values – i on the contrary believe they are lost because they are disconnected from those images, symbols, legends & auras that give them breath
this creates with the dispossessed a relation with words that is more ‘knowing’ than a martin heidegger could have ever imagined
i try to work with text to get people back to that interior order which is by it nature individual & sovereign & it is in them finding that individuality & sovereignty that leads them to greater choices in their responsibility
sometimes i feel guilty in the sense that i am asking people to try to live mutiplicity in a slaughterhouse & often these people have already tasted elements of the slaughterhouse – that would be toomuch for others to live with – thay have been tortured, witnessed the murder of their families, seen massacres, have been raped or battered, have been institutionalised or jailed, have felt hunger & thirst that most people have not yet tasted
so what i am saying crudely – is what you are saying about these auras for me has a paradoxical solidity very connected to the questions of living in a world where murderers can sing & record hadji girl which is the logical coninuum of andy warhols electric chairs
if you like, photograps such as yours, are wells & we need to go to them or we too shall die of something much worse than thirst

Posted by: r’giap | Jul 9 2006 1:16 utc | 30

great abstract art has a way of compelling a certain reaction from the audience as if the matter of the subjective interpretation is impossible. the feeling is exhilirating and consternating when it happens. so, when I looked at your piece, I wantted it to dissolve the certainty of my own subjectivity, but that ended when I realized it was a photograph, that is the distance of the sign and signified, nature and art, art and me, coincided in a disappointing moment.
it’s not your fault. just one of those complex reactions I have to beauty.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 9 2006 1:28 utc | 31

in the end, it is that concept of the aura to which benjamin refers that i desire to preserve, if possible at this point.
far be it from me to challenge the artist description but i do feel it is much more than that. every moment , every thing, has a spirit. you were there, a witness, you saw. your photograph is yes a preservation but it is more than that. it carries with it the witnessing of the moment. someone else could have been there and never seen, or experienced what you did.
once there was a special place i hiked to, in the mule mountains in arizona, only available on foot, or mule, no paths. the most beautiful place about 10 miles in, at one time a goat farm. rather trecheous getting there but incredible place. i brought a friend once a photographer. the things she saw just astounded me. i was absorbed by the vista and she was aware of the minutest details of nature. the patterns in leaves, insects, my god. at first i was impatient w/her, then i started to see them. like taking acid or something. i believe replicating art is much different w/most media and in this regard i agree w/ Benjamin. as every thing carries the enery or spirit of its creation the spirit or energy cannot be present in a replica. but photography is different becaue it is a witnessing art. yes you preserve it but more than that the testimony of your own aura is intertwined within your art for you would not have seen it had your aura not been aligned.

Posted by: annie | Jul 9 2006 1:36 utc | 32

I’m w/ correlator #25
I saw bones and gouls, however, interesting the stuart ewen quote.
I’m reminded of another quote, in that “interpretation is the revenge of the intellect upon art”…
For myself, I know that art –often times– merely reflects the inner psyche of the person viewing it..
Much like tarrot or other divination type tools.
Now if we could figure out how to deconstruct the Fox shaman-like magic of
the Rupert Murdoch’s of the world we could take back our power. However, after saying that, I reminded of a powerful citation in the book Ceremony by Leslie Marmon Silko wherein by just the mere watching of the Ceremony disrupts the black magicians ritual and weakens the power of their dark plot.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 9 2006 1:46 utc | 33

okay, i am going to try something. i have been thinking about b real’s statement that in this case he is limiting himself “strictly to the documentation of alternative ways of seeing the natural world as it presents itself to us” since i read it earlier today. in this comment i would like to share my thoughts about that and then i will go back and read what walter benjamin, annie, r’giap, etc., have to say and possibly then i will write something additional.
i loved b real’s conceptual approach, particularly because photography is so much about how you see things. taking photographs changes how i see the world. i notice that much more. i notice things i would have passed by (most likely lost in thought) had i not begun to “look” at the world around me. sometimes it is the pattern of bark on a tree or a crack in the sidewalk or the way the light hits a building or the juxtaposition of things or it is a person’s face or hands. now my eyes see these things. and then there is the process of making the image – composing the elements, determining the lighting, staying loyal to the subject, making a statement (or not). i am intrigued by b real’s thesis and what it says about how he sees and we see and how we experience nature. i like that simplification of the process in turn opens the mind to consider how you experience nature and what is its larger meaning.
b real, would like very much to see more from this series. please.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 9 2006 1:49 utc | 34

I am enjoying this very much. I don’t have the words; all of you say it so well. As the daughter of a photographer, I can only say that I have witnessed it’s (photography) power all of my life. It forces us to see reality whether it is pretty or not. More photography. please. (you too, b).

Posted by: beq | Jul 9 2006 2:02 utc | 35

an order that is in & of itself materialist
it is only the manifestation that is materialistic
an order that by it’s nature is mysterious & a mysterythere is a relation we have with elemnets, natural & otherwise that are deeply connected to our way of seeing. the way we each understand a tree, a wheel or a table are born in thes moments & i assume are the only things as children we have confidence in – because they constitute our material worlds, our auras if you will
absolutely
& these auras are destroy with great premeditation & with the careless thoutlessness that is characterist of those who exercise power through their vulgarity of which rupert murdoch is the most obvious example
i believe they are drummed into us way before robert murdock, we learn to shed our instincts quite early on. imagine if we could follow a path like a bird. if other talents were honored and encouraged. if we had rituals at adolesence that joined us w/nature? if we connected to the food we ate and the air we breath. the multipications of abuse and distance from our basic need and requirements as a species have been so co opted for conveniences, some for survival, some because we have just lost touch, and by the time we have been fully processed thru the system we are ready to follow a path that is so distant from our origins as a part of the planet. it is coming to the point where extinction is an option. i hope the planet survives us.
i’m veering off here, thanks b real for showing me what you see. i would like to see more too.

Posted by: annie | Jul 9 2006 2:04 utc | 36

whoops, some of those a r’giaps words up there, its the vino

Posted by: annie | Jul 9 2006 2:06 utc | 37

slothrop, wondering why do you think you “feel cheated when I discover that what appears to be abstract art is swiftly betrayed as photography?” photography came to be recognized as an art form late in the game, partially because it was not invented until the 1820s, but also i suspect because, unless you are the photographer operating the camera and later working in the darkroom or with photoshop, it does not seem to require the direct contact with the image involved in drawing or painting, for example. it is interesting to me in this case how pleased i am that it is a photograph and a direct representation of nature not an interpretation of it. the crunchiness of the leaves in the reflection makes me wonder what kind of tree and how did they hang off the branch to look so textural. i am drawn to the leaves themselves and the silkiness of the water rather than someone’s process with paint or encaustic to duplicate or interpret reality and establish the illusion of texture.
however, at the same time i am wondering how b real managed to keep the camera and himself out of the frame (cropping?) and the kayak from tipping.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 9 2006 2:07 utc | 38

For myself, I know that art –often times– merely reflects the inner psyche of the person viewing it..
well, if you go by benjamin, that’s exactly what great art does not do. aura is how history is transmitted by the object, and the effect is “mimesis”–subjectivity (which in consumer society is reified as a commodity) is negated by art.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 9 2006 2:11 utc | 39

put another way: when I quickly realized it was a photo, I quickly realized both the photography and myself as mediations of what is beautiful. I was disappointed by this unavoidable feeling of interpretive control.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 9 2006 2:16 utc | 40

slothrop, i am feeling a tad obtuse tonight, can you break that down a little for my poor brain?

Posted by: conchita | Jul 9 2006 2:19 utc | 41

Maybe it’s both slothrop?
Kind of a schrodinger’s cat wavical type thing?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 9 2006 2:20 utc | 42

annie and r’giap, what you said.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 9 2006 2:20 utc | 43

I take it back, brealo. It is your fault, goddamnit.
And you can’t stop from expropriating the thing as my desktop image.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 9 2006 2:20 utc | 44

slothrop, but why do you feel that way because it is a photograph? particularly a photograph that is documenting more than interpreting or making a statement? i know there is the filter of b real’s perspective and additionally, the camera, but it seems more direct to me than a painting would be.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 9 2006 2:23 utc | 45

uncle, never before encountered “schrodinger’s cat” concept. cool. thanks to you and wikipedia i just learned something new tonight. 😉

Posted by: conchita | Jul 9 2006 2:27 utc | 46

wonder is born of a materialist convergence which is in fact a merging of the naissance of ‘knowing’ & of a dialectical humility before that ‘knowing’
art is hearing, profound hearing before our own stories, symbols images & legends
artistry is the synthesis of that in forms of communication that are not mediated by power but by transcendance
i’m sorry if this seems closer th the bishop berkeley than my adored one, g w f hegel

Posted by: r’giap | Jul 9 2006 2:28 utc | 47

conchita
I realize now I am probably a shitty critic because I create nothing but complain about everything.
but this does not dissuade me from living derek wolcott’s motto: why not be the greatest reader who ever lived?
I try.
brain to slothrop: less talk, more whiskey.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 9 2006 2:42 utc | 48

Relax slothrop, you’re doing fine.

Posted by: beq | Jul 9 2006 2:43 utc | 49

hehe.
one thing about benjamin’s famous essay is the dual character of mass-produced art: it’s sudden availability contributes to decommodification on the one hand, and on the other hand is stripped of its “aura.” this leads to the interesting question whether decommodification, so essential to the liberation of human beings, destroys the power of the object to say anything at all. the dialectic here expresses in ways we scarcely imagine, just how deeply the catastrophe of consumerism afflicts humanity.
I was thinking more along the lines of why I feel cheated when I discover that what appears to be abstract art is swiftly betrayed as photography. this is no criticism of your fine composition, only an observation of my own reaction to the piece.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 9 2006 2:44 utc | 50

slothrop, more whiskey good. no, i was not questioning you as a critic, i really did not understand what you meant and needed a little help. i do not mean to be pressing you, but i am obviously wondering why the image as a photograph makes you feel differently. this is not to find fault with your point of view, just to understand it better. i happen to have begun a love affair with photography a few years ago and in doing my own work this past year went to places with photography that i did not know existed for me. purely subjective experience here. for me the only shitty critic is one who doesn’t look or speak. having participated in many a critique – it is all in how we see things. not sure if any of that made any sense. more wine for me.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 9 2006 2:53 utc | 51

I thought is was a photo of green glass. Up really close. Cool. Beautiful.
We just had a thunderstorm sweep by and it took some the heat with it. Tonight is not a tropical night here, so I am up enjoying the fresh air. Should sleep though and dream of cool waters. And green glass.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Jul 9 2006 4:16 utc | 52

slothrop- you are not taking photography for its value. b real is using a mechanical form to represent a liquid form, and doing so very well. the water could be quicksilver. but it’s not. it’s probably not even silver nitrate anymore…I don’t know, b real…what did you use for this?
as far as Benjamin’s remarks- he acknowledges that each medium has its own characteristics and pov because of. a painting is not a photograph…a photograph of a painting is a secondary reproduction, so you’ve got to go through one form to get to the other…the “aura” he talks about in paintings, to me, is the physical presence of the painting, when you see its surface is not even, when you can smell the canvas and experience the painting in a space you also share. The “aura” is as much about your own presence as it is the painting’s. you can move away from and get close to paintings and because of its three-dimensional nature, you can see multiple surface(s).
Photographs are not maintained in that same dimension.
Photographs reflect the flat of the retina back to itself, employ the same way of “seeing” even, or did. They stop time. Paintings occur, generally, over too long of a time span to make the same claim.
at least that’s how I see it.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 9 2006 4:38 utc | 53

fascinating thoughts! thanks all.
@slothrop
..the dual character of mass-produced art: it’s sudden availability contributes to decommodification on the one hand…
not following here. how does mass production of an item result in decreased commodification? doesn’t a greater number of objects/reproductions create more copies, generating even broader value, hence increased commodification? or is it that the value of, or desire for, the original is reduced since it is now easier for more people to “own” replicas of it? concretely, there would be more of the original and, though lacking the aura, its usefulness would be multiplied by the number of duplicates. abstractly, the original may lose its significance & primary value, though perhaps not.
no problem w/ the criticism, btw. it spurs me on to attempt a clarification of what can’t so easily be translated into words.
@r’giap
& these auras are destroy with great premeditation & with the careless thoutlessness that is characterist of those who exercise power through their vulgarity
definately. in hierarchical societies – hierarchy refering to command & obedience structures benefiting a few at the expense of the majority – this knowledge, this understanding of the material world and our place in it, has to be driven out of us as soon as possible in order to preserve this unequal distribution of wealth & power. the domination of human over human is only possible over the long run through the conquest & domination of minds. it is not easy to control people who are geography-based, connected to their landbase and who do not live in isolated abstraction from the natural world. if they aren’t willing to break those relations w/ these elements, to eschew groundedness for enlightenment, so to speak, they’re likely to be terrorized to the point of extermination. for those who don’t grow up in landbased cultures, these bonds are dissolved quite early, as you state. once people are removed from their connection w/ these elements, they are malleable enough to serve unnatural, inauthentic powers.
here’s a truly frightening passage that i read earlier tonite that seems related:

Between 1981 and 1983 in Guatemala, the army executed roughly 100,000 Mayan peasants unlucky enough to live in a region identified as the seedbed of a leftist insurgency. In some towns, troops murdered children by beating them on rocks or throwing them into rivers as their parents watched. “Adios nino” – good-bye, child – said one soldier, before pitching an infant to drown. They gutted living victims, amputated genitalia, arms, and legs, committed mass rapes, and burned victims alive. According to a surviving witness of one massacre, soldiers “grabbed pregnant women, cut open their stomachs, and pulled the fetus out.” It was not easy to compel conscripts to commit such acts. Guatemala’s basic training, therefore, put cadets through a curriculum designed to purge civilization out of them: they were beaten, degraded, made to bathe in sewage and then forbidden to wash the feces off their bodies. Some were required to raise puppies, only to be ordered to kill them and drink their blood.
— greg grandin, empire’s workshop: latin america, the united states, and the rise of the new imperialism, p. 90

@annie
it was a very energetic experience, and almost exhausting. so much to take in. sitting in my kayak in the middle of this incredible display going on all around me, better than the most imaginative painted film stan brakhage could dream up, conjuring up these infinitely changing fantastic shapes & patterns, and – best of all – it was entirely natural. if something of my own spirit is contained in these photos, i imagine it is my awe & appreciation.
@conchita
now my eyes see these things
much of it has to do w/ opening our minds & all of our senses, as we become more aware of our surroundings. i’ve read before that the central nervous system regulates our sensory awareness in order that we don’t get overwhelmed by everything in our current field of vision. some of this is biological, some socially conditioned. but by training ourselves to see (or hear, or feel, etc..) we can open ourselves to richer perception. the experience you (and annie) describe fits w/ my experiences as well. i’ve really been getting into macros over the last couple of years. it’s another whole new world, especially when you gain an appreciation for smaller life forms – like insects & such. btw, if anyone wants to see some really great macro pix, check out the book the smaller majority sometime. it’s worth pulling up a chair in the bookstore & flipping through it.
@fauxreal
yeah, the bejamin analogy isn’t perfect for this particular medium, but it captures the essence of what i’m trying to get at. however, according to auguste rodin,

It is the artist who is truthful, while the photograph is mendacious; for, in reality, time never stops cold.

Posted by: b real | Jul 9 2006 8:22 utc | 54

oh. yeah I screwed up. reproduction improves access by reducing scarcity. in the context of new media uses, decommodification occurs, though. but, he says nothing as far as I recalll about the end of commodities.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 9 2006 14:40 utc | 55

b real, thanks for the link to the smaller majority. my reaction was a mix of cool and eeew gross! i can’t seem to reconcile my childhood fondness for exploring the swamps and bullfrog pond behind our house with my reaction to reading an article in the times in december about how obiquitous bedbugs are. the kid and the adult in me would like to know “santa, can i have a lens like that for christmas?”
one last time – would really like to see more images from this series.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 10 2006 3:45 utc | 56

to me, time is a sequence of miniscule separate realities in which matter is organized in a particular way. so, in a upsidedown version of quantum life, time only exists because you “freeze” it. –and of course we know by freezing it, or acting upon it, you change that matter, so what it was at that time will, most probably, never be again.
does that make sense?

Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 10 2006 4:58 utc | 57

no.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 10 2006 5:02 utc | 58

hahaha… ;-p

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 10 2006 5:03 utc | 59

hahaha… ;-p

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 10 2006 5:05 utc | 60

thanks again, very rich

Posted by: annie | Jul 10 2006 5:52 utc | 61

Art talk good mmmmm,I think the real power in abstract art comes when it achieves a level of representation, not in the sense of an image of something recognizable per say — but a representation, call it a genetic representation, or as Sartre might say, a (pregnant) facticity, or a resultant thing — that runs a parallel to a thing of nature stripped of its name and casual meaning, like the protagonist in Nausea looking at the tree roots that overcome and overflow (de-trope) our (his) assumed pedestrian knowledge of such things. And where there is anxiety, there is fertile soil for art. Abstract art, is a perfect vehicle then, to represent the struggle, or the genisis, of stuff (material) in the will to become — meaningful. For me, this is the best of a Pollack, a Kline, Rothko, or even a Cy Twombly, where the will to representation, is the representation (in its many varied manifestations).
Photograpy, is probably the worst media to indulge this observation, as it is very thin on materiality, and leaves little (or no) trace of its process of becoming. Perhaps this is slothrops lament, on discovering (it being a photograph) and being de-mystified of imagined processes and physical characteristics. Or maybe it was a Susan Sontag moment of when the “believability” of a photograph was blown, ironically, because it was found to be a photograph.
Being an amature photographer myself, I had no confusion that it was a photograph (although I did think it could have been a photorealist painting) and simply admired, via the photograph, its referent of a fluid nature captured (as a reflection itself) in a split second frame.
Once, standing on a shoreline and in watching such water and looking into a bright sun I had to squint my eyes, and saw in my almost closed eyes little flashes of light reflecting off the water — that produced a kind of morse code of flashes, and I thought that if that code could ever be decifered — you would know everything there was to know about the universe.

Posted by: anna missed | Jul 10 2006 9:47 utc | 62

site connected to my work – in construction

Posted by: r’giap | Jul 10 2006 22:05 utc | 63

r’giap, my compliments to stephane.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 11 2006 2:50 utc | 64

anna missed, i think you have hit on something with the apparent lack of trace of processes with photography. perhaps the fact that nearly each and everyone of us possesses “kodak moments” also makes photography so accessible as to be nearly quotidian. i wonder if people in general give conscious thought to the images they are creating when their fingers are on the shutter button. if they don’t, then they may not realize that others do. cameras have become a staple in developed societies and people use them more readily and they are less challenging to most than a set of oils and a brush.

Posted by: conchita | Jul 11 2006 2:57 utc | 65

from the reproduction essay:

To pry an object from its shell, to destroy its aura, is the mark of a perception whose “sense of the universal equality of things” has increased to such a degree that it extracts it even from a unique object by means of
reproduction. Thus is manifested in the field of perception what in the theoretical sphere is noticeable in the increasing importance of statistics. The adjustment of reality to the masses and of the masses to reality is a process of unlimited scope, as much for thinking as for perception.

I suppose my reaction to your picture is a result of my own “adjustment” to what I expect to be a dissembling effect of a photography of nature introduced to my perception as a piece of abstract art. I really don’t know now what would account for my response.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 11 2006 15:35 utc | 66