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June 10, 2006
Another Weekend OT
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Compensation Payments Rising, Especially by Marines
They pay $2,500 condolence payment per dead Iraqi. editor & publisher: ‘Boston Globe’ Reveals: U.S. Payoffs to Families of Dead Iraqi Civilians Has ‘Skyrocketed’
Posted by: b real | Jun 10 2006 5:01 utc | 2 @B “There is no explanation on how that top figure was arrived at.” Posted by: Chuck Cliff | Jun 10 2006 6:34 utc | 3
Posted by: annie | Jun 10 2006 8:41 utc | 4 A good summary of the Power Grab by the Bush Administration, if one is needed. Posted by: ww | Jun 10 2006 9:41 utc | 5
GOP Removes Key Iraq Provision From Bill
Favorite news photo of yesterday was a reporter Posted by: paris hohoentep | Jun 10 2006 14:03 utc | 8 The commenter from b’s link goes on to make these remarks about Holbrooke’s pessimism:
I find this willfully blind. Was it our fundamental trait of optimism that led us into the strategic “blunders” in Viet Nam and Iraq? Hardly. Fear – not optimism – was used to sell both wars to a gullible public. And our elites’ underlying motives were greed and the lust for power. Until this country is willing to look that truth in the face it will not change course and our “optimism” will continue to lead us into strategic blunders until the rest of the world stops us or we destroy ourselves. Posted by: lonesomeG | Jun 10 2006 14:03 utc | 9 Thanks to A. for Posted by: citizen k | Jun 10 2006 15:29 utc | 10 lonesomeG: Posted by: citizen k | Jun 10 2006 15:53 utc | 11 Funerals for Gaza beach victims
Posted by: annie | Jun 10 2006 16:29 utc | 12 Oh but they have apolgized and the State department has even noted it. I’m sure the people in Beit Lahiya were thrilled to hear it. Posted by: Amurra | Jun 10 2006 17:09 utc | 14 Sorry, faulty link. Here is the statement: Posted by: Amurra | Jun 10 2006 17:19 utc | 15 @Citizen K
As an aside, much was made of the deliberate, public insults Bush gave to President Hu of China during his visit, but it was little noted that Hu gave Bush something, too.
The joke, no doubt, went over Bush’s head. Posted by: lonesomeG | Jun 10 2006 17:24 utc | 16 @lonesomeG – thanks for that funny story. Three Guantánamo Detainees Die in Suicides, Army Says Two brothers held in armed raid on home released without charge Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 10 2006 19:56 utc | 19 Man with autism charged after taping at crash scene Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 10 2006 20:03 utc | 20 The Revolution Will Not Be Webcast Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 10 2006 20:37 utc | 21 b, georgia10 has also done a post about the guantanamo suicides from which i am borrowing. she included a suicide letter written by/dictated to an interpreter by Jumah Al Dossari, a Bahraini national who has attempted suicide a dozen times:
Whether this man is guilty or innocent, it amazes me that he can still address the “fair people of America”. What a disgrace. Unforgivable. Posted by: conchita | Jun 10 2006 21:06 utc | 22 lonesomeG: The current US government is the most effective force to ever oppose US imperial power. A “manchurian candidate” scenario would not surprise me, although Einstein’ famous line that “there are no infinities except the size of the universe and human stupidity and I’m not so sure about the size of the universe”(something like that) is also a decent explanation. Posted by: citizen k | Jun 10 2006 22:15 utc | 23 Although I have posted about Graeber before here on moon, this is indeed, a bang-up update and compilation from mefi. I am absolutely gaga with excitement and will prolly spent the next few days reading this stuff. Execellent comp here do read. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 11 2006 1:45 utc | 24 robert fisk Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 11 2006 1:47 utc | 25 excuse me if this has already been covered, my mind is maginalized at the moment.
Posted by: annie | Jun 11 2006 3:20 utc | 26 the ramadi link is really troubling Posted by: annie | Jun 11 2006 3:26 utc | 27 War is the health of the state. Posted by: citizen k | Jun 11 2006 3:38 utc | 29 a moment of silence and prayer for the souls of ramadi. Posted by: annie | Jun 11 2006 3:54 utc | 30 Frank Rich column (liberated) How Hispanics Became the New Gays
Dexter Filkins from Iraq: At Site of Attack on Zarqawi, All That’s Left Are Questions
yeah, sure. At least NYT picks up the question: Just How Far Did They Go, Those Words Against Israel?
U.S. Seeking New Strategy for Buttressing Iraq’s Government
with regards to lonesomeG’s 16 and b’s 17 comment I see no humor what so ever in it, because it will be us Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 11 2006 6:28 utc | 35 NYT editorial on the catho-fashistic government of Poland: Poland’s Bigoted Government
from b’s 32 Posted by: annie | Jun 11 2006 7:05 utc | 37 Here’s a sad tale of how matching specific data against more generalist data often based on widely held misconceptions and downright subjective prejudices, can destroy a life. Yet when that happens society at large will just write it off as some sort of inter-personal collateral damage.
There were a few indications in the article which tend to make this story a difficult swallow.
It’s better not overload Bernard’s generosity by pasting up the whole story, so click through and you’ll see the story about his ‘undetected’ arrival and stay may be more devious than the govt claims:
The NZ govt has suffered a number of setbacks and criticism for other attempts to rid NZ of alleged terrorists; the most prominent being the failed attempts to deport Algerian former politician and current refugee Ahmed Zaoui Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 11 2006 9:12 utc | 38 Committing suicide while being illegally incarcerated has now been officially designated by the US as an assymetrical act of war. That designation is not really the condemnation that it sounds, since “killing yourself at your enemies” represents a form of warfare that even the US DoD isn’t incompetent enough to lose at. Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 11 2006 9:13 utc | 39 Daniel Ellsberg, who reveiled the Pentagon Papers, calls for more: Iraq’s Pentagon Papers
The Guardians George Monbiot writes an OpEd on energy alternatives in the LA Times:
There is much more in there, how alternatives could help, but not generate the needed amount etc. Recommended. Of course while getting concerned about one fellow human’s treatment by the spin-off from the empire juggernaut, much worse is happening elsewhere and not just Ramadi.
How in hell’s name could the suicide of 3 men be regarded by anyone much less the willing agents of that empire, as a victory over empire? The reason is as mundane as it is banal. Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 11 2006 11:13 utc | 42 Rear Adm Harris said he did not believe the men had killed themselves out of despair. Posted by: YY | Jun 11 2006 14:01 utc | 44 whatever comes out of centcom is so crude even the foul mouthed imbecile julius streicher would have had a hard time saying it tho he might have published t in der sturmer Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 11 2006 14:11 utc | 45 And so the commandant of the highest security prison camp in the world, in a special twighlight zone, not subject to national laws yet self-exempted from international treaties, run with nearly no oversigh by the military of the single super power, claims to have been victimized when unarmed prisoners under his authority kill themselves. This psychotic resentment and angry self-pity is so characteristic of the nazis as to make it impossible to mistake what is going on. Posted by: citizen k | Jun 11 2006 14:51 utc | 46 citizen k Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 11 2006 14:56 utc | 47 i apologize if this has already been posted. dhar jamail and jeff pfleuger examine Is the US Corporate Media Complicit in War Crimes? a look at the five most commonly deployed crisis management propaganda tactics which the state and the traditional media have used to distort coverage of what happens in iraq. highly recommended. Posted by: conchita | Jun 11 2006 16:07 utc | 48 The Traveler had a quick look at the man. When the Officer was pointing at him, the man kept his head down and appeared to be directing all his energy into listening in order to learn something. But the movements of his thick pouting lips showed clearly that he was incapable of understanding anything. The Traveler wanted to raise various questions, but after looking at the Condemned Man he merely asked, “Does he know his sentence?” “No,” said the Officer. He wished to get on with his explanation right away, but the Traveler interrupted him: “He doesn’t know his own sentence?” “No,” said the Officer once more. He then paused for a moment, as if he was asking the Traveler for a more detailed reason for his question, and said, “It would be useless to give him that information. He experiences it on his own body.” The Traveler really wanted to keep quiet at this point, but he felt how the Condemned Man was gazing at him—he seemed to be asking whether he could approve of the process the Officer had described. So the Traveler, who had up to this point been leaning back, bent forward again and kept up his questions, “But does he nonetheless have some general idea that he’s been condemned?” “Not that either,” said the Officer, and he smiled at the traveler, as if he was still waiting for some strange revelations from him. “No?” said the Traveler, wiping his forehead, “then does the man also not yet know how his defence was received?” “He has had no opportunity to defend himself,” said the Officer and looked away, as if he was talking to himself and wished not to embarrass the Traveler with an explanation of matters so self-evident to him. Posted by: citizen k | Jun 11 2006 16:19 utc | 49 conchita – link doesn’t work Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 11 2006 17:43 utc | 50 conchita’s link: Propaganda and Haditha – By Dahr Jamail and Jeff Pflueger
thanks, b. been busy this afternoon and just checked back. i do recommend reading the entire article – good summary of the disinformation campaign over the last few years. Posted by: conchita | Jun 11 2006 21:16 utc | 54 That was a 6-hour film I caught on a lark – half-interested in the subject matter, half-interested in being able to say “I sat through a 6 hour french communist movie.” It was, perhaps, a great 3-hour movie. I’d be interested to see what he can do with an editor. Posted by: Rowan | Jun 11 2006 21:16 utc | 55 @Rgiap, citizen k, et al Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 11 2006 21:17 utc | 56 uncle $cam, in nyc in the 80s there was art gallery owner, andrew crispo, who went to jail for murdering a young, beautiful, blonde scandinavian man in a snuff film. it received tons of play in the press and i’m sure if you google crispo you will find volumes of coverage. Posted by: conchita | Jun 11 2006 21:26 utc | 57 i think peter watkins has an allergy to editors Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 11 2006 23:23 utc | 58 And RG, you forget Power Point Presentations. Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 11 2006 23:33 utc | 59 That whole suicider prisoner spin is im my opinion beyond the spinning power of goebbels Posted by: citizen k | Jun 11 2006 23:59 utc | 60 The spin on the suicides, was turned out so quickly, with everyone staying totally on message and yet it sounded so mechanical and by the numbers that the cracks and seams of this prefabricated “for use in emergency only” device were in plain view for most of the world inside and outside the US, to see. Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 12 2006 3:50 utc | 61 It’s 23:44 here, the full moon is up, shrouded in mist, and the local Army base is still pounding away with artillery, practicing for deployment. Posted by: 23 skidoo | Jun 12 2006 6:53 utc | 62 Doctors experimented illegally on hundreds of elderly patients Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 12 2006 8:17 utc | 63 Former Diplomat Missing From Boat Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 12 2006 8:35 utc | 64 Wayne Madsen has two detailed lists regarding rendition flights to Guantanamo and conjectural links to Caribbean drug trafficking. The data provided could be hokum or disinformation, but, if not, we Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 12 2006 11:08 utc | 65 Imad Khadduri’s Free Iraq\B> blog has a non-Pentagon approved version of the operation resulting in the recent Zarqawi killing. Scroll down to the June 9 entry. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 12 2006 13:24 utc | 66 An interesting blog entry by a biochem expert on the face ricin thread and the fake botulism thread. The militarycorruption.com site has some interesting Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 12 2006 15:42 utc | 68 @ b: Thanks for the excellent link in 67. It’s a nice Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 12 2006 15:57 utc | 69 slothrop, for you – front-paged diary on dkos yearlykos’ failure to address labor and social change. Posted by: conchita | Jun 12 2006 16:30 utc | 70 uncle @ 64 murdoch (i wish) – you were thinking of that other gangster robert maxwell who was wacked by a hit squad of murdoch’s russian mate, boris berezovsky Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 12 2006 17:25 utc | 71 hkol, agreed on the annals of terrorism link. you might want to take a look at goldy g’s link to marc bloch to take it a step further to predation. it is a long and tangled read but well worth it. i am certain there is a place in there for r’giap’s murdoch as well. Posted by: conchita | Jun 12 2006 17:48 utc | 72 Good analysis of the defat of the U.S. in the recent Iran negotiations by ATOL: The day the US took a beating over Iran
I don´t agree with the author that this makes a war on Iran more unlikely. Stephan Roach: Denial
It looks like Al CIAeda have wasted no time in appointing their next terrormeister ; Zarqawi successor named Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 12 2006 23:25 utc | 75 Any last minute advice for tomorrow’s Virginia democratic primary? My choices are: Posted by: maxcrat | Jun 13 2006 1:17 utc | 76 @Max, Posted by: George Foreman | Jun 13 2006 1:57 utc | 78 jugend dient dem chimperor
All religions are cruel, all founded on blood; for all rest principally on the idea of sacrifice – that is, on the perpetual immolation of humanity to the insatiable vengeance of divinity. Posted by: b real | Jun 13 2006 3:08 utc | 79 |
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