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May 13, 2006
WB: Vox Pollsteri

Billmon:

It defeats the purpose of having a 4th Amendment if its validiity is entirely dependent on breaking 50% in the latest poll.

What the government is doing is illegal and unamerican, and that would still be true if the polls showed 99% support — in fact, it would be even more true.

Vox Pollsteri

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Posted by: Cloned Poster | May 13 2006 20:41 utc | 1

After I posted here earlier, I got my things together to go out. I had my bedroom window open, even though we’ve had a week of rain, dropping temperatures and another week to go. Even tho the sky looks like a thick grey fog waiting to descend. but I digress.
I heard them and thought…whaa? –the university is over for the year– is the band practicing now? I usually hear them in the fall. The sound came closer. It was some sort of chant. Were people protesting in my neigbhorhood? If so, why?
The sound came closer and became more distinct. I still couldn’t make out the exact words…I was probably too stunned to see a pride of what seemed to be young men running in formation on the suburban street behind me. I saw the last of them pass.
I heard the call and response:
“I don’t know but I’ve been told”
— I don’t know but I’ve been told
“Hardcore trekkies got no soul”
–Hardcore trekkies got no soul.
that’s probably not what they were saying, but you know the sound I’m talking about.
High school is almost over. The university is out. These were not kids. A recruiting office is near my house, in one of those open air malls a few doors down from Starbucks.
So, was the military running a training drill in a middle class neighborhood at approximately 11:30 in the morning? Hoping to catch the eye and ear of the boys (oh yeah, and girls) in the neighborhood?
Would something like that be legal? Wouldn’t it be sort of like having tanks on the streets for training? –no problem, huh?
I’m going to call around to see what’s up. Maybe it was harmless, as in, had nothing to do with the military doing training drills in my neighborhood. I’ll find out.
Considering my visit last week from the recruiter who told me I should move to France or Russia (as tho they were one and the same…the stupid piece of shit asshole), because I disagreed with his views…it’s more than a bit creepy to me to have military manueuvers, if that’s what they were, going down the streets were I live and walk and bike.
Maybe I shouldn’t even post this here. Maybe I’ve totally misunderstood what was going on. Considering my neighbor called on planes flying over our town, which was then in the paper, which then resulted in a visit from the FBI to ask about the ppl who used to live in his house…and me too…the only politically active ppl on my street…and then it turned out that the flights, they assured everyone did not use illegal surveillance like heat sensitive sensors, or whatever else they have…
Anyway, I’ll let you know more as I know more.

Posted by: fauxreal | May 13 2006 21:27 utc | 2

Now, all we need are politicians who actually believe that speaking and attempting to do what is “right” [if their internal radar is not so disoriented that they can still discern even a facilmile of “right”], for its own damn sake. Somehow a nation that loves to think of itself as “good” should be able to must the effort now and then.
Would that by definition make them not politicians? I hope I’m just being too cute with words.

Posted by: DonS | May 13 2006 22:04 utc | 3

“What the government is doing is illegal and unamerican, and that would still be true if the polls showed 99% support — in fact, it would be even more true.”
Billmon is, of course, absolutely correct. Unamerican, I say too, unamerican . . . . God save the USA.

Posted by: D | May 13 2006 22:48 utc | 4

“What the government is doing is illegal and unamerican, and that would still be true if the polls showed 99% support — in fact, it would be even more true.”
Billmon is, of course, absolutely correct. Unamerican, I say too, unamerican . . . . God save the USA.

Posted by: D | May 13 2006 22:49 utc | 5

Don’t forget that Saddam received 99% of the vote in the last election held in Iraq before the invasion and that Lukaschenka got over 80% of the vote in Byelorussia.

Posted by: ralphieboy | May 13 2006 23:03 utc | 6

Fuck it, I have a hard time Layering & Compartmentalizing the Bush/Cheney agenda. What we need is a advanced synthesis of their methodical modus operandi. Billmon does a damn good job of that. However, I wish he or someone would do a bigger picture composite and find the nuances direct and indirect. Sort of an etic/emic view.
Because damn if I can tell where one corrupt act stops and the other begin anymore. And I believe that is one of , if not the key method; to create such chaos no one can keep track. Rule through disorder, feigned incompetence.

Cheney Pushed U.S. to Widen Eavesdropping
In the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, Vice President Dick Cheney and his top legal adviser argued that the National Security Agency should intercept purely domestic telephone calls and e-mail messages without warrants in the hunt for terrorists, according to two senior intelligence officials.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 13 2006 23:42 utc | 7

The Neo Road We’re Taking
Friday March 23 2007
API – Langley
“Today we are announcing a sweeping change
to the library system of the United States, as a
result of our domestic surveillance program
into the reading habits of American citizens”,
Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander, former NSA director
who replaced the last NSA director General
Michael Hayden, now chief of the CIA, said today.
The pro tem NSA director, acting at the direction
of the White House, invoked the court decision
USA vs WILHELM REICH 1954-1957, to begin
systematic condemnation and then book burning
of so-called, “radical propaganda, masquerading
as literature within the liberal left gay community”.
“The Freedom Against Scorn and Critical Injunction
Sanction Tariff (FASCIST) is hereby effective today,
March 23rd, 2007, against the works of the avowed
union labor sympathizer Robert Frost,” Alexander
announced. “From this day hence, the Government
and the People of the United States will be forever
freed from demeaning and scornful commentary.”
The NSA director held up a copy of Frost’s poem,
‘The Road Not Taken’ as he spoke to the crowd
of reporters outside the CIA building in Langley.
“Two roads diverged in a yellow wood!” Alexander
shouted. “How much more disunifying against
red-blooded Patriots can you get?!” The new NSA
director continued, “Yet knowing how way leads
on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back!
You see how Frost twisted the American Dream!?
If he didn’t want to come back, then why didn’t he
move to Communist China?!” Alexander fumed.
The United States first invoked the book burning
sanction against Dr. Wilhelm Reich in the 1950’s,
at a time when the medical theorist was attacking
nuclear power as “anti-orgone” or “anti-life force”.
His views were so at odds with the new military-
industrial complex plan to test atomic weapons,
that he was incarcerated and his books burned.
Reich later died in prison.
Since that time, libraries in certain states have
banned certain popular literature books as, ‘To
Kill a Mockingbird’, and even more recently, the
Department of Homeland Defense has seized
books and removed them from libraries across
the nation. However, this has never been made
a matter of outspoken national policy until now.
March 23rd is the anniversary of Frost’s 1963 death.
‘The Road Not Taken’ and ‘Stopping by Woods on a
Snowy Evening’ are considered some of his most
popular poems, especially the famous last lines,
“I have promises to keep, and miles to go
before I sleep, miles to go before I sleep.”
As Frost himself said in commentary, “What appears
to be “simple” is shown to be not really simple, what
appears to be innocent, not really innocent.” The poet
was fascinated and lulled by the empty wastes of white
and black. The repetition of “sleep” in the final two lines
suggested that he may succumb to the influences that
are at work. There is no reason to suppose that these
influences are benign. Today, those forces banned him.
Stephen Colbert, when asked to comment on the
NSA decision, could not be reached for comment.
His hit television show, ‘The Colbert Report’, was
unexpectedly cancelled in January for unexplained
reasons by the Comedy Network, after Republicans
won re-election and then Clear Channel bought out
controlling interest of Comedy Network’s parent
company, Bell Globemedia Inc. of Canada.
The SEC was investigating Clear Channel’s buyout,
questioning where its $12.5B investment came from,
but then suddenly dropped the case last week.
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced
that the Canadian library system will respect the NSA’s
declared book ban, as long as the Bush Administration
stops referring to Canada as, ‘Our Great White 51st State’.

Posted by: Lawrence Unwin | May 14 2006 2:52 utc | 8

Which 4th amendment is this? The one with or without probable cause?

Posted by: YY | May 14 2006 3:43 utc | 9

Billmon : Market Update

My guess is that if the Dems win back the House, they’ll also get the Senate, or at least come very close. I’ve got to confess I have mixed feelings about this prospect …
While many in Left Blogostan are salivating over the prospect of investigations and subpoenas and sworn testimony, the reality is that the House is a relatively weak platform from which to launch such an assault …
The crux of the dilemma is that the legislative branch is deeply unpopular… These are deeply disfunctional, archaic institutions that are… completely out of touch with the modern world.

If the opposition insists on grandstanding investigations… that is on doing the judiciary’s job… yeah, the bad guys’ll give ’em the slip again, a la Ollie North and Elliot Abrams.
But if the House exercises its real, “archaic” power, the power of the purse strings, then the evil empire is instantly out of business. Nobody can fight a war without money. Nobody can continue to bankrupt us without the key to the Treasury.
What do we want to do, stop the imperial slaughter abroad and the destruction of our nation, or watch Professional Wrestling on TV with Malefactors and Saviors alternately smashing each other off the bouncy, bouncy House floor?
Plenty of time for the Anglo-American War Crimes Tribunal after the fire’s been put out. There’s no statute of limitations on murder.
I realize that I’m calling for action from a real Political Class that we presently do not have, but I’m ever optimistic that some real people will get elected to the House and start acting like Representatives. It would only take a few to stand up together, Democrats and Republicans, and channel our fury and despair into creative action. The hacks in the House would fall all over each other jumping onto the coat tails of the prime movers once the train got rolling.
Forget the Woman or Man on the White Horse headed for the White House. That’s the problem, not the solution.
Check out Now Is the Time for a Left-Right Alliance, written by “a life member of the John Birch Society” who “formerly served on the staff of the organization for 13 years”.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | May 14 2006 4:31 utc | 10

http://www.antiwar.com/glantz/?articleid=8989

Posted by: Gotta Way | May 14 2006 4:46 utc | 11

YY,
it’s a new definition of “probable cause”: if you call someone on the phone, it constitutes “probable cause” that you are a potential terrorist and/or sympathizer. If you leave your home, it will be considered “probable cause” that you are on your way to meet with a terrorist and/or commit an act of terrorism.

Posted by: ralphieboy | May 14 2006 7:01 utc | 12

I do like Billmon’s argument here, because it goes to the crux of the constitutional debates in the fledgeling US: that the system of checks and balances, and the Bill of Rights, were put in place in order to save the republic from politics: from interests and the tyranny of the majority and the appeal to the present moment and all of the shit that the founding daddy-os were well aware of.
In fact, if you’re a social contract type, then the argument has to be that if a certain percentage believe that a constitutional protection is no longer relevant or useful or whatever, it’s up to them to either use the constitutional system to change it, or to overthrow that system and put a new one in place. Call it a tyranny of natural rights, if you like. But it’s a tyranny against the vicissitudes of human emotion.

Posted by: ahem | May 14 2006 8:26 utc | 13

@ralphieboy
“it’s a new definition of ‘probable cause'”
There’s nothing new about the way you have defined “probable cause” at all. In the old days, we just called that “guilty until proven otherwise”.
The measures Cheneyco are taking to monitor and control the domestic population are not pathologically paranoid. If they want to break international laws abroad and treat the US population as commodities, then they are absolutely right to fear us. There’s a clear historical precedent for what ultimately happens to tyrants who engage in unrestrained exploitation, but the new tyrants on the block always think that they have found some way around it.
The more Totalitarian a regime becomes, the more it fears its own people… because the more it has to fear from them. An administration’s underlying motives and ethos are made perfectly clear by how passionately they wish to operate without oversight and how much control at home they feel is necessary. The “necessary” amount of control and secrecy here is of an unprecedented scale, and that speaks volumes about what kinds of people we are dealing with.

Posted by: Monolycus | May 14 2006 8:33 utc | 14

Many people would say that this is all legalistic twaddle. The only thing that counts is what is morally correct, the right perspective, the daunting truth – in short, what is ‘real’, what constitutes ‘true belief’ and what is ‘right.’
I went and looked at Democratic Underground and Free Republic. The first are adamantly against collecting phone records or any other kind of ‘spying’ and tell stories about being questioned closely when buying cars, sending 10 000 dollars somewhere, taking a plane, etc. The second point out, with convoluted arguments, that collecting data on people is necessary, to stop terrorism, keep America safe, and so on. The first are cooling champagne in view of the Rover indictment, the second did not mention it at all.
Neither of these groups (with some rare individual exceptions) ever refer to law of any kind. The law, to them, should reflect their personal opinion of the moment, if it is considered at all. I fact, they all live in an envrionment where things have been set up so that politics is a sort of Rorscharch test – you look at the picture, and interpret, and say or do what you like. And so Vote for the Star who best pleases.
Bush has in effect shredded the treaty against nuclear proliferation, the Geneva conventions, and UN rules concerning pre-emptive attacks, the right to re-write constitutions, etc. and declared WW3. (Clinton was guilty too but more careful.)
The rule of the mob, under the fig leaf of democracy, is instituted by the leaders themselves. It is hardly surprising the US citizens follow. Anything goes! I know what bothers me, I know what is right!
It is a kind of systemic breakdown that pays lip service to ‘ancient texts’ and replaces, just as the Fascists did in Germany and elsewhere, principle and organisation with arbitrary, self-serving, compicated bureaucratic rules / justified doings / summary control / etc. And in their Homeland, Americans seem to take to it just fine. F* the immigrants, outlaw abortion, and all will be well; or remove pesky controls and let ppl get on with their lives…

Posted by: Noisette | May 14 2006 14:17 utc | 15

No matter how noble the cause (and few are nobler than preventing terrism), any sort of search, seizure or surveillance is subject to errors and even abuse. That is why we established a system of checks & balances.
The problem I have with the NSA surveillance is the part in the constitution (or is it the Delaration of Independence?) about the “right to petition for the redress of grievances”.
How can the aggrieved petition for redress of grievances when they are not even aware of what’s being done to them and if the perpetrators are exempted from controls?

Posted by: ralphieboy | May 14 2006 15:19 utc | 16