Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 13, 2006

WB: Leviathan

Billmon:

We can argue all we want that the deal is a sham, that any sense of security is an illusion, and that having gobbled up their privacy and some of their liberty, Leviathan will only come looking for more, because that’s all it knows how to do. But an awfully large number of our fellow citizens have already decided, or have been conditioned to believe, that it’s better to be subjects and let others make the hard decisions for them. After all, the organization must have its reasons.

Leviathan

Posted by b on May 13, 2006 at 7:12 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Billmon's idea that the corporate world is already preparing us for a totalitarian state is rather brilliant, and one I hadn't thought of before. I work at a fairly liberal non-profit, not Halliburton, but I know that ever since we got a server upgrade, the IT guys can track down Every Single Keystroke On Every Computer.

This doesn't disturb me, except when occasionally I get stuck reading the Moon when I should be stuffing envelopes or something, but the fact that it doesn't disturb me is now...starting to disturb me. It's somewhat the same as my idea that we might be watched here. I wouldn't be surprised if someone is tracking the IP addresses of commenters here, or at least trying to. It's plausible. But I'm trained to think of plausible, get it into my system so it's not surprising, and then when it becomes probable, or definite, well, that's just another half-step. I totally saw it coming. For whatever that's worth when the arrest warrants come down.

Posted by: Rowan | May 13 2006 7:28 utc | 1

Keep a hard copy of Billmon's post. Bury it 500 feet underground. Then if any creature survives the oncoming nuclear war, they will know why.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | May 13 2006 7:46 utc | 2

'I wouldn't be surprised if someone is tracking the IP addresses of commenters here... '

I'm sure b is. Curiosity.

If you want to contemplate databases of personal information contemplate Google. The cookies they set on your searches are good for thirty-eight years. There's no reason even to set cookies for searches. Set your browser not to accept them from Google and continue as though nothing happened. Nothing did, except Google's ability to keep track of your searches is rendered more difficult.

Why do you think they gave you a gigabyte of "free" storage with your email? Grist for their mill. They want ALL of it. That's why.

If you'd like to contemplate a corporate model for Leviathan, contemplate Google. They have the entire internet in the can. And they've hired the pick of the litter from the old Bell Labs Systems Research Group. The best minds in the IT world.

America fights "wars of liberation". Google "does no evil".
Yeah, right.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | May 13 2006 11:45 utc | 3

Rocket Summer

It's an interesting and inevitable dynamic playing out here. From their first day in office, the Bushistas have been giving away our Treasury to the wealthiest Americans, for the sole purpose of keeping them investing in American business, as opposed to moving all their money to more profitable climes.

The only thing that will keep that money here at home is high returns plus lower business and investment taxes. And looser regulations. Less restrictive standards. Lawsuit caps. Huge freebies to the oil, pharmaceutical, banking, and defense industries. Leaky pension plans, easily looted. Low minimum wage, lots of hungry immigrants, and a shattered and underfunded social safety net. All that, and unlimited, unimaginable debt, even unto the third or fourth generation.

They've been at this for five years now, and here we are, friend -- nearly to the endgame of this mafia bustout, this interesting dynamic. The endgame, where even all of this lush and livid thievery proves lacking, though the nation staggers in its stride, dizzy and drained, a victim of vampires.

The endgame is coming.

It could never be enough, this thuggish thievery on behalf of the well heeled, and the Bushistas knew it always. The ventures and investments of the wealthy do, in the end, depend utterly upon the unwashed multitudes more or less going along with the marketing plan, more or less consuming at the required rate. All financial harvests do depend upon fatted calves in great numbers surrendering their freedom and lives both as they go and at the last. They depend upon steadily siphoning capital from working beasts.

Ask any cowboy from Texas; he'll tell you -- the money isn't in the spreadsheets, it's out there in the herd. Keeping them dogies moving until such time and place as you can cut their throats is the whole idea, pardner.

But now it appears that even the wholesale merger of corporate and government goals and power, with Congresscritters and Senators perennially out of town fundraising while corporate lawyers and lobbyists write new legislation for them to sponsor without reading -- even this has proven insufficient.

The herd must be placed under tighter control, or the bottom line will suffer. When things get disorderly, profits decline. That cannot continue.

Lo, the wayward public grows restive and unrestrained. They return approval polls of 29%. They change brands unbidden. They openly discuss civil disobedience. They make embarrassing inquiries. They jump ship. They are not going quietly into the penstocks. The malls and auto showrooms and real estate offices grow quieter with every new morning. War does not distract the herd for long, nor does braying about bigotry, nor does the Bogey Man of the week work like it did in the day.

It's coming. Put some rice and beans aside, Henry. It's coming.

Now, when there is no more to give away, even on the backs of our indebted and enslaved descendants, it comes. Now, when businesses so lavishly fed at the public trough see shrinking profit margins, and look lustfully overseas for better opportunities, it comes. Now, when foreign owners of dollar bills start turning them down, and turning them in, it comes. Now, when fat and dumb American consumers can no longer afford to just jump in the family jalopy and drive over to the mall, nor buy anything there that isn't canned or marked down, it comes.

The endgame of the Bush clan's interesting dynamic was always a police state, where every consumer is constantly added up, and can always be subtracted from the political and economic pool when they get uncooperative. Clearly there comes a day when the imperial ambitions of the corporate and political masters of America require a much closer supervision of the citizenry if this interesting dynamic is to continue at its accustomed rate of profit. There is a whole world out there to conquer, in this New American Century. It must be one State over all other nations, or there will be hell to pay all around.

The endgame is clear. America must go down a totalitarian path if profits are to stay on track. If this means tightening the screws on non-cooperators, if this means restricting freedoms and dictating the details of individual lives, well it is all for the good of the nation. In the end, it is the State that must prosper, not the herd. The herd is for fattening, and for cutting up as needed. In America, the herd has had its day.

Or, the herd will have its day, if it rejects the political process being foisted upon it.

It's coming. The noose is near. The interesting dynamic reaches its endgame this summer.

America will either become a police state, or we will see a revolution in our relationship to our own government.

Either there will be no more free range Americans, or there will be.

Essential freedoms inherited from the Magna Carta and the English and French and American Revolutions will be eased out of our lives forever, or we the people will not be trod upon. We will tread on these rascals who represent us falsely. We who did not ask for any of this will accept none of it.

It's coming. It will be one way or the other way, for it cannot be both.

Mothers, the unborn children within you are already debt slaves to these corporate cats, this aristocracy of the non-working. They have plans for the entire lifetimes of each of your beautiful children, and they do not involve the freedom to do as they please. They involve them entirely in the economic and military domination of planet Earth, here in this New American Century. Your children will be conquerors, or die in the attempt. That's what they're good for.

Fathers, the blood of your sons is needed in the sands of the oil countries. Whether they die in Arabia, Bolivia, Nigeria or Venezuela, neither you nor they will ever see any of the black gold their blood buys for Shell and Exxon. You and they will see only the flag of a great and free people held high over conquered lands. And you will wrap their crushed corpses in it, and you will spit on it afterwards, and you will wonder at the choice you made for them, back when the choice was still yours.

The endgame is coming this summer of Ought Six.

Rocket Summer, when missiles launch out of Israel to land upon Iran, and Iran launches in reply, and America's Lord and Master Bush announces that he has no choice but to launch everything we have from the three carriers that will be so conveniently on station in the Persian Gulf in early June. They are on their way there as you read this.

Rocket Summer, when we launch our B-2's hauling bunker buster nukes, and start what cannot be stopped, by anyone, anywhere.

Rocket Summer, when we start WWIII. When we do -- that.

With those mushroom clouds in the Middle East our own American nation will go up in smoke, locked into the endless, unyielding, unwinnable war Cheney and Rumsfeld and Bush have arranged for us. To survive such a war, our nation will have to be very tightly controlled from on high. Government from the top down, and not otherwise. Everyone must do their part, whether they like it or not. Everyone must show up and pull together. Everyone must stay in line.

Rocket Summer. The carriers Abraham Lincoln and Enterprise and are on their way to make war on Iran. The Ronald Reagan is already on station in the Gulf. Our boomers are already underwater in the region, testing their Tomahawk firing systems for their grand day out. Out in Omaha, our B-2's are tooling up. Our B-52's in Britain and Diego Garcia are squared away for combat runs. The end of our trail is near. All the cowboys are shouting, driving for the slaughterhouse. The herd is being hustled for the very last time.

Rocket Summer, right this way. Right this way.

How about it? Are you going to stay in line?

Posted by: Antifa | May 13 2006 12:09 utc | 4

Ah, that last bullet point. Take Choicepoint, the worst of the commercial big brothers. When consumers resisted their privacy rape, Choicepoint went after government security contracts. Now government uses Choicepoint to circumvent the Privacy Act and the Freedom of Information Act, and Choicepoint uses the government to coercively extract personal information they can sell (that's why any traffic stop gets you a deluge of extended-warranty junkmail).

Posted by: vidkun | May 13 2006 13:52 utc | 5

. . . nothing contributes so much to tranquillize the mind as a steady purpose . . . from Frankenstein by Mary Shelley

fwiw-the point, it seems to me, is that the totalitarian act takes on a life of its own and justifies anything to justify its existence. ...Once it has been brought to life. Thus the party in power is not the simple issue. The party in power serves the Leviathan, not the people.

Frankenstein is so much a part of out cultural conscience that we parody it, we slap pancake make up on it and film it. Even so it, among other things, was a story about the industrialization or corporatization of the soul, and the consequences of once "justifiable" actions.

The moon gazed on my midnight labours, while, with unrelaxed and breathless eagerness, I pursued nature to her hiding-places. Who shall conceive the horrors of my secret toil as I dabbled among the unhallowed damps of the grave or tortured the living animal to animate lifeless clay? My limbs now tremble, and my eyes swim with the remembrance; but then a resistless and almost frantic impulse urged me forward; I seemed to have lost all soul or sensation but for this one pursuit.

Torture is justified. Murder is justified. Total Information Awareness is justified, along with its mockery that Americans are free agents...all in order to survive. Just whose survival is it insuring though?

I felt the bitterness of disappointment; dreamns that had been my food and pleasant rest for so long a space were now become a hell to me; and the change was so rapid, the overthrow so complete!

...The form of the monster on whom I had bestowed existence was forever before my eyes, and I raved incessantly concerning him.

Posted by: fauxreal | May 13 2006 14:53 utc | 6

In a sense, the corporations have taken over already. They run a big chunk of the economy (setting aside drugs and human trafficking). I can see this where I live - Geneva - to make a long story simple, two groups living side by side in the same territory. The Corps and their employees, and the others, who act in a moldering local economy (many like it that way) medieval, almost, some of it black; and provide the services needed for the first. The ‘social contract’, a limping but still effective direct democracy, and a consensus that this state of affairs must endure ensure a sort of cynical stasis. We (all ‘citizens’ and workers) are under no illusions. I know that my salary (state paid in education), and that of the President of Switzerland, which is not even double mine, is basically paid for by Marcel Ospel (dir. UBS), whose salary last year was 24 million francs. Trickle down and taxation work.

The corps and their employees do not vote (mostly.) They act through influence, wield the stick and carrot, shape and mold. The others use the traditional tools, from initiative to demonstration. An uneasy, oppositional alliance betwen the two groups sees to it that most events are muted, coded. The Gvmt. (at present a truly unified coalition Gvmt. that speaks with one voice) is lumbered with the job of negotiating beween the two groups. At present, no faction of any kind holds the upper hand. The plus point is that the situation is clear; and circumscribed; Geneva is a small Republic.

Yawning cracks, of course, have appeared in the last 10-15 years. The first victims were, are, lowly workers and their families. The second victim is the public education system. The Corps. and the rich want to get rid of it. (Big news, sorry!) The third, even more intangible victim is honor and propriety in both public and private life. Corp mores have sept into every corner, substituting power and influence and threat/agression for a decent espousal of an ascribed role in a system which was designed to maintain the public good. Here, the first victims are the weakest of all: children.

This is loong; I post it because I presume some ppl at least are interested in from-the-ground international povs. (?)

To come to my point. The Corps thrive in and expand in a landscape of Nation States. They count on the ‘state’ (failed in some places!) to provide the stability they need to act. (Oil companies are a good example.) They outsource what they want - protection, school lunches, roads, medical care, etc. So, on the one hand, they want to destroy organisms that limit, curtail, tax their activity. On the other, they need ‘the state’ and know they can’t go too far on some points. Their main fear, always, is the military; their main beef against countries/pols that appear determined to resist.

They know that they can lock ppl in for the 8 hour day but more than that is...moot for the moment.

The interest in ‘security’ and ‘information gathering’ in Western countries is a Gvmental reflex, and does not spring from the Corps. themselves (except insofar as in some instances they can make money out of it.) Gvmts. see their role dwindling and seek to enforce it with control. In the US, as the Gvmt. has been tied to corps. since forever, things are a quite confused. Wire tapping (as if we were in the 1950’s!) veers between market research, interesting data, spying on opponents, a measure to scare the sheeples and keep em feeling Big Brother is watching, a money making scheme (one can sell those records), providing employment and kudos for Gvmt. employees (they are not useless), etc. Business as usual!

Posted by: Noisette | May 13 2006 15:32 utc | 7

footnotes

initiative in CH = the people can express a ‘wish’ - it need not be formulated properly or precisely, it can be a blanket thingie.... If the ‘initiative’ gets more thatn 50% of the vote, the Gvmt. must do all it can to see that everything is done to grant that wish. Very few initiatives succeed the first time round. They give activists an outlet, provide a platform, mold public opinion, bring an issue forward, and depending on the result of the vote make pols sit up. Some canny people live all their lives off it and have great success.

Posted by: Noisette | May 13 2006 15:43 utc | 8

But an awfully large number of our fellow citizens have already decided, or have been conditioned to believe, that it’s better to be subjects and let others make the hard decisions for them. After all, the organization must have its reasons.

better to be objects too. consumers desire surveillance because of the promise of personalized consumption. desire becomes the freedom to "choose" among a particularized array of goods designed from assemblies of individual consumer "behaviors." for most, the tradeoff of surveillance and such consumerist "freedom" is essential and practical. more and more, w/out surveillance, "freedom" is elusive.

ideology becomes real, i.e., the actual life processes of humans, their social relations, reproduce the reality of such "freedom."

If in all ideology men and their circumstances appear upside-down as in a camera obscura, this phenomenon arises just as much from their historical life-process as the inversion of objects on the retina does from their physical life-process.

Posted by: slothrop | May 13 2006 16:03 utc | 9

"All men live enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever present perils of life."

- Herman Melville (from Moby Dick)

Posted by: Night Owl | May 13 2006 17:02 utc | 10

Note: If the following sounds paralyzingly-frightening, consider, that it may be the purpose. But recent reports of these incidents have a reaction If only to spread the fear meme. By posting this I am aware that I am passing along the fear meme as well, only I pass it with hopefully different intent.

Billmon has said in this essay everything that I have been trying to convey here for the past two years and was unable to articulate. I only differ in that I believe the next step, the next catalyst, will be biological. Further, I believe the agent to be used is already in place. Only awaiting it's cue.

Quarantine was pioneered in 14th-century Venice, where ships were required to wait offshore for 40 days. During the 2003 SARS outbreak in Toronto, quarantine entered the 21st century: 45,000 people in that area were asked to remain in home quarantine for 10 days, and similar measures were ready to go across that nation.
~Bioethics & Politics.


I suggest guns, ammo and food. Not that it will do any good when the The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act is eminent. When it is enacted and the whistle is blown. It will be known.

Clarity

I think what you'll find,
I think what you'll find is,
Whatever it is we do substantively,
There will be near-perfect clarity
As to what it is.

And it will be known,
And it will be known to the Congress,
And it will be known to you,
Probably before we decide it,
But it will be known.

—Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing


Mystery Disease


Doctors puzzled over bizarre infection surfacing in South Texas


Morgellons Research Foundation

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 13 2006 17:50 utc | 11

uncle

do not underestimate either your skill or intelligence - you have conveyed many many things to me & to our community & for that a debt is owed

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 13 2006 18:01 utc | 12

"It's coming. It will be one way or the other way, for it cannot be both.

Mothers, the unborn children within you are already debt slaves to these corporate cats, this aristocracy of the non-working. They have plans for the entire lifetimes of each of your beautiful children, and they do not involve the freedom to do as they please. They involve them entirely in the economic and military domination of planet Earth, here in this New American Century. Your children will be conquerors, or die in the attempt. That's what they're good for.

Fathers, the blood of your sons is needed in the sands of the oil countries. Whether they die in Arabia, Bolivia, Nigeria or Venezuela, neither you nor they will ever see any of the black gold their blood buys for Shell and Exxon. You and they will see only the flag of a great and free people held high over conquered lands. And you will wrap their crushed corpses in it, and you will spit on it afterwards, and you will wonder at the choice you made for them, back when the choice was still yours.

The endgame is coming this summer of Ought Six.

Rocket Summer, when missiles launch out of Israel to land upon Iran, and Iran launches in reply, and America's Lord and Master Bush announces that he has no choice but to launch everything we have from the three carriers that will be so conveniently on station in the Persian Gulf in early June. They are on their way there as you read this."

antifa 8:09:55

thank you for saying clearly what i feel deeply in my stomach

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 13 2006 18:09 utc | 13

For what is the heart, but a spring; and the nerves, but so many strings; and the joints, but so many wheels, giving motion to the whole body, such as was intended by the Artificer?

Posted by: jonnybutter | May 13 2006 18:52 utc | 14

What ever is being done it is not to track down and eliminate a small group of Muslim religious fanatics. It is to consolidate power by having instantaneous knowledge of the connections, trends and habits of persons that tweak the interest of the data requesters. A group of disadvantage males e-mailing plans; no problem with instant surveillance. At 29% approval rating, rig the propaganda and electronic polling devices
to assure election of supporters.

Anarchists were defeated in America by Progressives and the rise of the Middle Class. The New Robber Barons will no longer need the Middle Class to keep control in Neo-America. Technology Rules.

Posted by: Jim S | May 13 2006 19:55 utc | 15

"To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality."

Prodhone

Posted by: ed | May 14 2006 0:53 utc | 16

Here’s a small attempt to counter the hopelessness that this Leviathan discussion engenders. Joseph Newman—Paul Newman’s uncle—ran a sporting goods store in Cleveland, and he contributed poems to the Plain Dealer in the 1940s and 50s. His poem “Leviathan” appeared in his compiled book titled It Could Be Verse. I thought of this poem, and pictured Billmon as Captain Medford:


The shrewdest whaler that ever whaled

Since the earliest days that whalers sailed

Was Captain Medford

Of old New Bedford.

Hard as a brick…

Keen, slick…

Master of ships for half a century,

Bold as a pirate and fond of adventure, he

Knew every hiding place,

Secret residing place,

Ever Leviathan used as a biding place.


I won’t spoil the fun of the nautical detail and the outrageous rhymes and meter. But one night Medford’s ship finds itself right atop Leviathan:

The Captain picked himself from the floor,

Took one jump thru the cabin door

And raced on deck, where the crew at the rail,

With their eyes popped out and their eyeballs pale,

Were staring at, what I mean, a WHALE!

Stretching as far as the eye could sight

Was a giant carcass, as black as night,

Save here and there where the eerie light

Planted a glistening patch of white.

A waving fluke, some miles at sea,

Gave hint as to where its tail should be,

And over the ocean rolled a swell

As its giant midriff rose and fell!


So what did Billmon, er, Medford do? Lifting his harpoon high and wide, he sent it whizzing over the side. And…

What a sight to see,

What a place to be!

Afloat on a flea

In a frightful sea,

Attached to the whoopingest, whoppingest whale

That ever made seaman reef a sail!

Hang on for your lives! Hang on for your lives!

Hang on for your…OOPS!…The monster dives!

Ten thousand barrels of boiling sea

Roll wildly over the General Lee

As the big whale struggles to get him free!

The brine was lashed to a foaming spume;

The cable twanged like the cry of doom;

The crew stood rooted as by a weld;

The blood in the Captain’s arteries jelled,

But, wonder of wonders, the harpoon HELD!



Leviathan is tamed. I’ll let you read how. Do read the book though it is out of print. You can find Newman’s poem “Black Cross”, about lynching, http://www.columbia.edu/~tdk3/blackcro.html”>here. His poem about the evolution of sexual reproduction is a knockout (can’t recall the title). A wonderful source during his hard times, and ours.

Posted by: Browning | May 14 2006 1:43 utc | 17

Damn. "Black Cross" reference here

Posted by: Browning | May 14 2006 1:52 utc | 18

Proudhon, no less!

Mao and Bush lead the State
and Mitterand will guard the Gate
Marx and Althusser and Leo Strauss
know common folk, like cat knows mouse
The Priest, The Professor, the NSA
the KGB and Surete
Their knowledge great and Secrets Grand
They Master Sheep of every Land
But who's that scruffy petty clerk
scorns their majesty and fouls their work
quotes Proudhon and Groucho Marx
and carelessly creates some sparks.

Posted by: citizen k | May 14 2006 2:20 utc | 19

Addendum:

I spoke earlier about 'rule through chaos' and was snooping through my own files and found the --drum roll please--"crisis manager", Poindexter.

Not only do our rulers now employ artificial intelligence to keep track of what we are doing, they have apparently begun using it to predict what we will do in the future. This is called behavioral-recognition software. If it's not already in use, it's in the pipeline. They seem to be trying to break this to us gently.

Here's an oldie but goodie: From 2001.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 14 2006 2:33 utc | 20


Re the neo Leviathan enablers

Very nice ruminating as usual.
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A quibble over a fundamental fact: the analysis of the neo Leviathan is wrong when it give the neo Leviathan enablers credit for a cause and effect relationship between their Levithan enabling desires and 9/11: to quote in part from the rumination “… is justified if it reduces, even slightly, the odds of another 9.11.”

The significance of 9/11 to the neo-Leviathan enablers is that on 9/12 they had an excuse for using State power to achieve the deepest desires of their deformed and ill-educated souls, desires hitherto frustrated since the desires are deranged. Their desire is not and never was to make the world safer, but, to use the leveraged power of corporate fictional persons (whether State or profit or non profit) to force mankind’s world as close to the twisted world projected from their deformed souls as possible. Safe for their twisted ways at the expense of all others safety. If the cost of their choice was the world’s destruction (as it may be) many will persist and rejoice. American has its Holier Than Thou death cults.

That is why Osama and Zarquawi are still alive: securing American from another 9/11 is not the enablers goal. Total control is. Dominance across the spectrum, isn’t that enabler jargon?

Restated, we know the desire driving the Leviathan isn’t safety, simply based on old - and conservative - stories, stories about who guards the guardians, and how power corrupts, stories that are now being predictably and pathetically verified by the not strange but predicatbly bitter fruit of the neo Leviathans choices, as can be charted in Worst Ever’s popularity rating. Safety is not enablers' motivation. Their psychological need to have power to impose their will on others by using corporate fictional person power is. Across the spectrum of their twisted kind, from those with Straussian personality disorder, to those who speak in tongues, to those who dream of Heaven waging genocidal torture across the face of the planet on all different from the dreamer's delusional self image, the will to power is their false god and Levithan is their way and light.
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‘We the People’ is one fundamental reason ever liberally educated American knows for fact the neo Leviathan enablers’ goal is not safety: “We the People’, is more than a preamble. It is also an act of descriptive self recognition by mortals awakened to the fact the source of mortal power and wealth, what makes the Kingdom, is not the State, nor the leaders (those who take the levers of leveraged power) but only resides in the population as a dynamic process that cannot be captured in corporate form and cannot be turned over to the chosen few to exercise for the greater good.

‘We the People’ recognizes that even if mortals want the State to be the Leviathan to save them from themselves, that choice is unavailable. No matter how many graduate seminars ponder the issue after revewing all the footnotes. A correlated question is whether existence precedes essence – and many of the essence first crowd show that wonderfully putrid urge to Leviathan fascism. In both cases fools demand there be a false choice so they can make themselves more important since something in them cannot live without that false sense of self importance. Neo Levithan enabling is a psychological disease, to be diagnosed by the person's pathology, not the world's condition.

This has critical operational relevance.

If the source of human power is ‘We the People’, then the population will solve the security problem or the problem cannot be solved, just as central planning cannot solve the enormously simpler problem of economic success, just as the ability of a population to withstand diseases is in the population not in the selected Best of Breed. It is a matter of information processing if you will.

Flight UA93 was ‘We the People’ – not a corporate parasite was to be found - but a small part of We the People recognized and stopped the immediate al Queda terror problem in the Midway of the war within about an hour. Since then the State and military industrial complex has gotten invovled and we have just gone backwards on safety from attacks aiming at wanton slaughter, but Republican stock did have that bubble.
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'We the People' was also Tillman enlisting to get Osama and his gang.

But Osama and Zarquawai alive are the fruit of neo Levithan action, the enablers, forever be they damned, actualy had the choice and choose to pursue their neo Leviathan desires over getting the fucks that did it.

Tillman not only dead, but betrayed by most the great chain of Levithan toadies all the way up to the top toad is the fruit of neo Levithans in action. Not a fucking thing to do with safety.

Iraq at an ugly stage of butchery with less security for all, and Iran splitting not only atoms but the American peopole from the rest of the world’s people, all to the greater danger of all - predictable fruit of neo Levithans in action.

No, the neo Levithan enablers are not interested in security.

Posted by: razor | May 14 2006 2:46 utc | 21

Corporatism is not a state issue, it goes beyond borders as noisette pointed out. And it is not a political animal, as the people are not aware of the awesome power of the already engulfed nation states.
If someone has a clear picture of this beast, I would like to see it.
I wish I could be of help but the beast is invisible to me - but I know it is all around me and growing fast. No one on earth is safe from this enslaving beast anymore.

Posted by: Rick Happ | May 14 2006 4:23 utc | 22

digby throws down the perp gauntlet on our old friends in a post entitled, groundhog day.

The Coming Showdown Over Executive Privilege

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 14 2006 5:23 utc | 23

Uncle $cam:

Is stocking up on guns, ammo and food a precaution to unplanned anarchy, or a planned tactic of having reserves and protection while the people freely choose to starve the beast? Am I foolish to even imagine the latter as a possibility? Such a plan could tame the beast more than harpoons would.

Posted by: Rick Happ | May 14 2006 6:43 utc | 24

There's a good discussion of Hobbes' political theory, putting his ideas into modern terms, on the BBC website.

Posted by: ahem | May 14 2006 8:33 utc | 25

@Rick Happ
Why does it have to be one or the other?

@ahem

Thanks for the Hobbs BBC discussion. That was quite interesting. State will and objective morality indeed.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 14 2006 16:15 utc | 26

Uncle $cam re: guns, ammo and food

I don't assume to know what has to be, ... just dreaming I guess for a preferential method and outcome.

Most working Americans are still feeding this beast, and although some may think they are feeding it poison, they may in fact be just building up the beast's immunity.

Posted by: Rick Happ | May 14 2006 19:44 utc | 27

Just a quick comment on Billmons piece:

It may not be quite as good as putting two-way telescreens in every living room

Not yet, but some governmental spyware and you got access to webcams and microphones. And then we are talking 1984...

Gotta run now but I will read what you all have written later.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | May 14 2006 21:46 utc | 28

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