WB: Company Man + The Night Porter Checks Out

May 6, 2006

Billmon:

II:

What’s been happening over the past decade — or longer, according to Andrew Bacevich — has been a relentless expansion in the authority and functions of the military services, and of their civilian overlords in the Secretary of Defense’s office, at the expense of the CIA, the State Department, the NSC and the other bits of alphabet in the national security soup. Years ago I saw an editorial cartoon that showed the Pentagon attached to the White House as its new west wing. We may be nearing the day when it’s actually the other way around.

The Night Porter Checks Out

I:

Tales of Covert Love and Passion

Company Man

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Bush likens ‘war on terror’ to WWIII So the decider decides to rearrange the intel in mid war and awww, fuck it…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2006 5:34 utc | 1

Press review:
Time: The Next Head of the CIA?

President George W. Bush stunned Washington on Friday by accepting the resignation of CIA Director Porter J. Goss, and Republican sources told TIME that the White House plans to name his replacement on Monday: Air Force General Michael V. Hayden, who as Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence has been a visible and aggressive defender of the administration’s controversial eavesdropping program. His nomination is sure to reignite the battle over the program on Capitol Hill, where one House Democrat promises “a partisan food fight” during the confirmation process.

Shorter version, if true: The Pentagon is taking over the CIA. In future ALL intelligence will be vetted by Rumsfeld/Cheney.
What does this say in regards to the current Iran project?
WaPo (Linzer/Pincus) Goss Forced Out as CIA Director; Gen. Hayden Is Likely Successor

Another candidate mentioned along with Hayden is Mary Margaret Graham, who was transferred from CIA headquarters after clashing with Goss’s staff. She now coordinates intelligence collection for Negroponte. Homeland security adviser Frances Fragos Townsend, a rumored potential candidate, is not in the running, officials said.
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In the clandestine service alone, Goss lost one director, two deputy directors and at least a dozen department heads, station chiefs and division directors, many with the key language skills and experience he has said the agency needs. The agency is on its third counterterrorism chief since Goss arrived.

WaPo (Dana Priest): The Fix-It Man Leaves, but The Agency’s Cracks remain

Foreign intelligence heads, who used to spend hours with Goss’s predecessor, George J. Tenet, discussing strategy and tactics, are now more likely to meet with the director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, whose position was created in the overhaul of U.S. intelligence agencies.
One senior European counterterrorism official, asked recently for his assessment of Goss’s leadership, responded by saying, “Who?”
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While the stature and role of the CIA were greatly diminished under Goss during the congressionally ordered reorganization of the intelligence agencies, his counterpart at the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, continued his aggressive efforts to develop a clandestine intelligence operation within his department.
The Pentagon’s human intelligence unit and its other clandestine military units are expanding in number and authority. Rumsfeld recently won the ability to sidestep U.S. ambassadors in certain circumstances when the Pentagon wants to send in clandestine teams to collect intelligence or undertake operations.
“Rumsfeld keeps pressing for autonomy for defense human intelligence and for SOF [Special Forces] operations,” said retired Army Col. W. Patrick Lang, former head of Middle East affairs at the Defense Intelligence Agency. “CIA has lost the ability to control the [human intelligence] process in the community.”
Now, “the real battle lies between” Negroponte and Rumsfeld, said retired Army Lt. Gen. Donald Kerrick, a former deputy national security adviser and once a senior official at the Defense Intelligence Agency. “Rumsfeld rules the roost now.”

NYT:Top C.I.A. Pick Has Credentials and Skeptics

Mr. Bush has often reserved decisions about top-level appointments until just before they are announced, but senior administration officials said Friday that General Hayden was the clear leading candidate.
Confirmation hearings would give the administration’s opponents a highly visible forum for questioning not only the eavesdropping program but President Bush’s overall handling of national security.
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Even though General Hayden has not been closely associated with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, his pedigree as a military officer could reinforce concerns at the spy agency that the Pentagon is intruding into its traditional bailiwick.
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General Hayden, who grew up in a working-class family in Pittsburgh, drew mixed reviews at the N.S.A. He overhauled its management but began a multibillion-dollar modernization program, known as Trailblazer, which ran huge cost overruns and is widely considered to be a failure.

NYT: Director of C.I.A. Is Stepping Down Under Pressure

The agency was widely viewed as being at odds with the administration over the Iraq war, and the White House gave Mr. Goss marching orders to end what it saw as a campaign of leaks to the news media by agency insiders who opposed administration policies.
Yet the leaks have continued, and in recent months Mr. Goss began an intense effort to find out who was responsible for news reports that disclosed details about highly classified programs.

Still, nothing of this explains the suddeness of firing Goss. It is bad style and there must be some reason for this.
Putting up Hayden now is dangerous for Bush. It reopens public attention to the NSA domestic spying. Is there something else going on so important that they need to take that risk?
LAT: Negroponte Still Faces Uphill Battle to Change System

But Negroponte faces a larger and much more difficult challenge: a struggle with Donald H. Rumsfeld’s Department of Defense, which runs more than 80 percent of the nation’s intelligence budget and is busy expanding its role even further.
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when it appeared that Goss was not fully on board, officials said, Negroponte and his deputy, Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael V. Hayden, quietly complained to the White House — apparently contributing to Goss’ decision to resign Friday.
But Negroponte, who once worked as an aide to former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger, has been much more cautious in confronting the Pentagon, officials and members of Congress have said. (Kissinger once complained that Rumsfeld was the toughest bureaucratic warrior he ever met.)
When Negroponte has sought to push through changes at the Defense Department, “They told him to take a flying leap,” said one U.S. intelligence official who said he was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. “If you get the shove from DOD, where else can you go?”
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The Pentagon is in the middle of a wide-reaching restructuring of its own intelligence gathering and analysis abilities, run by Stephen A. Cambone, a close Rumsfeld aide who is the department’s intelligence chief, and his deputy, Lt. Gen. William Boykin. Some critics have warned that the effort is turning into a bid for even more control over national intelligence assets.
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Negroponte acknowledged at a Senate hearing in March, there has been open conflict with the Pentagon over at least one issue: personnel. The law setting up his job gave Negroponte the authority to transfer professionals from individual intelligence agencies into joint centers or other agencies to make the integration process work. But the Pentagon has made that process difficult, officials said, in part by issuing a directive that any such transfer required the “concurrence” of its intelligence chief, Cambone.

Posted by: b | May 6 2006 6:27 utc | 2

Karen Kwiatkowski wrote a story some time ago where she speaks highly of Gen Hayden.

In 1996 and 1997, I was stationed at NSA Headquarters, Fort Meade, Maryland, assigned to a unit of the Air Force Air Intelligence Agency, headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. Our commander at the time was Air Force Major General Michael Hayden. From my perspective, his reputation was sterling. I remember a visit he made to our detachment and to NSA. We listened to General Hayden eloquently share his theories about leadership and integrity. I remember it to this day because it was a breath of fresh air, in light of the Clinton administration appearances of national security incompetence and widely reported investigations by Special Prosecutor Ken Starr. Hayden told us that his family and his Catholic upbringing had instilled in him a strong sense of right and wrong. I came away from that briefing with my faith restored in Air Force flag officers, and a firm belief that here was a man with the innate courage to do the right thing.

But then she goes on to speak of Negroponte, known for bending the rules but also for getting the job done….

His immediate boss, Ambassador Negroponte is a man known for bending the rules, for shaping political reality to pursue a “perfect” political solution. Negroponte’s style seems to have withstood the test of time, whether the “final solution” of the day is the defeat of communism in Central America, the creation of an American-dependent Iraqi colony where he recently served as ostensible US Ambassador, or the increasingly mystical White House mission of “fighting global terror.”

I wonder just how powerful this Negroponte is, could he be our version of Putin? Or is he just a useful tool like Luca Brazzi?

Posted by: dan of steele | May 6 2006 7:45 utc | 3

If the military rules they it take over the party business too.
Air Force Academy Watch:
Air Force to Examine Fundraising E-Mail Sent by a General

The Air Force is investigating whether a two-star general violated military regulations by urging fellow Air Force Academy graduates to make campaign contributions to a Republican candidate for Congress in Colorado, Pentagon officials said yesterday.
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Catton urged his classmates to support Bentley Rayburn, a recently retired Air Force general seeking the Republican nomination for a House seat being vacated this year by Rep. Joel Hefley (R-Colo.). Hefley’s district around Colorado Springs includes the Air Force Academy, several military bases and the headquarters of Focus on the Family, James Dobson’s Christian broadcasting organization.
Both Catton’s e-mail and an accompanying note from Rayburn portrayed him as a candidate who would represent the military and conservative Christians.
“The lack of any Air Force presence within the Congress was particularly telling over the last few years,” Rayburn wrote, referring to controversy over proselytizing at the Air Force Academy and new Air Force regulations on religious expression. “For those of us who are Christians, there is that whole other side of the coin that recognizes that we need more Christian influence in Congress.”

Posted by: b | May 6 2006 8:08 utc | 4

Truly, who cares if the head of the CIA, or Negroponte, or the NSA wins the top dog award.
These mofos are going to implement the policy of the day. I suppose it’s worth paying attention to in case we ever get into a debate on policy with someone who might make a difference.
It’s turtles all the way down.
That being said, here’s a message from our sponsor:

Posted by: jonku | May 6 2006 8:40 utc | 5

Time to review Hayden and the 4th amendment issue. What “probable cause”?

Posted by: b | May 6 2006 8:53 utc | 6

@Jonku
Where I agree with you jonku, in that it makes no difference whose at the wheel, however, there is a sutle difference in that by collapsing all the intel under the jurisdiction of the military it then becomes an issue of problematic purportions e.g., offically against the US constitution. It might as well be an all out military coup.
All i’ve seen is reinforcement of the official spin that it was/is a turf battle, with just glancing mentions if any at all of the gay hookers/Cunningham scandal–pathetic. I now know every single possible thing there is to know about that Kennedy tho, and their curse, and how he’s just like his daddy…
When (if), there is ever justice done, i.e. war crimes tribunal etc, I will spend the remainder of my energy to see the media lackeys before a firing squad right next to the others.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2006 10:34 utc | 7

By putting Goss at the head of CIA, he gets Goss out of the Intel Committee Chair. In the CIA, Goss would have the authority to delay or redact the CIA’s report on 9/11 (which is exactly what he did).
Porter Goss, or, Choking on Your Own Bone

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2006 15:10 utc | 8

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Porter Goss said Saturday that his surprise resignation as CIA director is “just one of those mysteries,” offering no other explanation for his sudden departure after almost two years on the job.
JUST ONE OF THOSE MYSTERIES – Give me a break! What a jerk.

Posted by: Rick Happ | May 6 2006 15:20 utc | 9

spring storm fallout?
damn good summary/Synthesis of what has gone before, i.e. recent events. It’s hard (at least for me)to keep track of it all… Can anybody else keep up with the scandals and resignations? I swear, every two weeks or so, some new horrifying revelation emerges regarding this administration. It never ends.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2006 16:42 utc | 10

Uncle $cam
http://intelligence.senate.gov/members.htm
http://intelligence.house.gov/MemberList.aspx
Kos is Democratic Party site. Where is their blame to those leaders in all these scandals? Where is the outrage?
You knew it was all a scam – so did they.

Posted by: Rick Happ | May 6 2006 17:16 utc | 11

uncle scam, some senator has requested a report from the head of the cia as to the negative fallout from the plame outing, that report is overdue. the results could up the ante to treason punishable by

Posted by: annie | May 6 2006 17:30 utc | 12

@Mr. Happ
Had you read MOA for any length of time you would surely know, many here, –as well as myself– are no fans of dkos nor are we cheerleaders for the democrats. However, there are many whom write on kos that provide good signal to noise ratio’s. I can not say that for the
complicit criminal dems.
I would invite you to think deeper. Please consider, The ratchet effect. And moving beyond the binary bifurcation of the aristotle straight jacket.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2006 17:45 utc | 13

Do tell annie…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 6 2006 17:46 utc | 14

Uncle $cam
I was not critical of you. Just Kos and the Democrats.
I have read Billmon from BEFORE his first long reprieve and Moon of Alabama constantly from the beginning. I have seen that “ratchet” article before.
Perhaps you are oversimplyfing things.
I’m not convinced American politics have moved constantly “rightward” since 1968. I doubt you could convince me of the exisitence of such an axiom, even with this nazi-like regime. If that were true, there would be no need for the time or money wasted for the propaganda on such mass media programs as Rush Limbaugh.
Also, I have seen your posts on other Moon of Alabama threads regarding Kos.

Posted by: Rick Happ | May 6 2006 18:19 utc | 15

@uncle – that was a good diary you pointed to.
Laura Rozen also goes after the MSM myth that Goss was outed because of trouble with Negroponte.

Does something about this story line that Goss suddenly left because of his long-standing tension with Negroponte, his fraternity brother from Yale, over Goss fighting to hold CIA turf seem a bit canned to you?
Think back to yesterday morning. The top news after the Patrick Kennedy crash was that Bush’s poll numbers were at an all time low, and that he was starting to see a real erosion of support from conservatives. Gas prices and immigration and Iraq. So Bush gets briefed by his staff that day, and decides: hey, let’s fire Porter Goss. He’s killing morale at the Agency. He’s just seen as far too political. And John Negroponte is threatening to quit if he stays. He’s given me an absolute ultimatum. Let’s get this out today.
Come on. That’s just not how this White House has responded to these sorts of tensions in the past. They never move fast. They withstand criticism of appointments for months. They resist criticisms of unpopular agency heads for weeks (Michael “heckuva job” Brown), months (Snow), years (Rumsfeld). Think how much speculation there was in the press before Card’s and McClellan’s announced retirements, and how warm and friendly were those departures. It’s hard not to believe that something moved very quickly on the radar this week that prompted an unusually quick decision. One that took a lot of people who would normally have been advised by surprise. (It’s my understanding that the heads of Congressional intel committees were not informed in advance).
…

Posted by: b | May 6 2006 18:20 utc | 16

Do tell annie…
hm, the timing leads me to believe the hookergate saga has links to his resignation, but of course there are probably multiple explanations and reasonings.
way back at the beginning of this saga, wayne madson for one, suggested one primary reasons for outing plame ws to shut down bruster jennings, and in doing so, any victims of the outing would be the responsibility of the leaker. especially if someone died. there was also a rumor that someone had died, but who knows. i can’t find the article now, but last week i read a senator, one i am unfamiliar with, requested a report from the cia about any damage to the cia, its fronts, agents, or WMD operations in iran or the ME as a result of the outing. the article also stated the cia had yet to comply. then i read yesterday

Walton ordered
Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to turn over evidence _ if he has any _ of when and how President Bush and Vice President Cheney decided to declassify part of a secret government intelligence report on Iraq so Libby could disclose it to favored reporters in an effort to discredit administration critics in 2003.

now, why does team libby want to know what information fitz has compiled w/regard to the declassification of the leak? although i suppose bush can declassify anything he wants there is a process, and i don’t know if he can declassify retro actively, which it appears he did by statements made to the press at the time.
whether this overdue report from the cia establishes anyone died or not it still could be damaging in a number of ways.
i lurk at rightwing sites, for some reason they all continually bitch about plame not really being covert. the news in the last few weeks about her working w/the iran WMD program, or brewster jennings working w/the program has hit msm.
libby allegedly told prosecutors that Cheney told him thatPresident [Bush] specifically had authorized [Libby] to disclose certain [intelligence] information about the war in Iraq.
soo… they wamt to know if fitz is going to claim the leak was illegally leaked, bush possibly becomes responsible for every piece of damaging evidence in the report overdue to congress.
they need a whitewashed report from the cia, especially if anyone died. a little blackmail to keep mouths shut? just a thought. i wonder how many agents died in iran?

Posted by: annie | May 6 2006 19:23 utc | 17

ps, although that ruling for yesterday was after goss resigned, the request (w/btw was for far more info about faulty intelligence) was made prior to the outing of the hookergate scandal. which we can all assume was known by quite a few people way before we heard about it. so the timing of it? questionable.

Posted by: annie | May 6 2006 19:32 utc | 18

sorry, 1 more thing i forgot. for bush to justify any attack on iran w/out the authorization from congress, he would try to establish irans nuclear program is somehow part on the WOT
or a continuation of the authority given to him as a result of 9/11. of course that is what he is going to try to do,which is why HCR391 is so threatening. it is a contradiction to claim the plame outing in a time of war wasn’t treason if you claim iran is included in the same war. WH is thinking ahead. can’t have it both ways.

Posted by: annie | May 6 2006 19:42 utc | 19

Blair fired Jack Straw because he was against an attack on Iran.
What was Potter Goss’ position on Iran? Was he willing to deliver “intelligence”, take the blame and receive the medal of freedom like Tenet? I haven´t seen and CIA attributed intelligence that was pro-Iran-war.
If Goss was not willing to play that game then what?

Posted by: b | May 6 2006 20:42 utc | 20

then what?

Enter Hayden, Negroponte’s top deputy
With Gen. Michael Hayden’s expected nomination to run the CIA, a military officer would be in charge of every major spy agency.

Posted by: annie | May 6 2006 21:12 utc | 21

From all I know of Negroponte’s tenure in Central America, we are in a world of shit in that part of the BushCo too. He had no problems having a cozy relationship with leaders who tortured and murdered their own countrymen and women because of their social/democratic ideals (which in john birch speak=communism.
And that whole thing was a waste, a total waste of lives and any decency this country made claim to.
If the CIA’s duties move to the Pentagon, does that mean Congress loses greater oversight? (as if they had a lot anyway.) So, the intelligence operations will be controlled by Cheney –(Iwillnotshowsubpoeneddocsonenergypolicytaskforce) Cheney?
Whew. for a while there, I thought this might be one more executive branch power grab…
And what fun…with general at the CIA… is that maybe a little creepy to anyone else?

Posted by: fauxreal | May 7 2006 1:14 utc | 22

is that maybe a little creepy to anyone else?
ya think? jeez, the implications are horrifying. one would think it could be inconcievable to have a worse scenario than rummy, but i gotta say, this chills me to the core.

Posted by: annie | May 7 2006 3:05 utc | 23

and not only that, the good general a good buddy of Cheney’s?
As far as running the war, Rummy is the octagenarian playgirl centerfold. Cheney was at the Pentagon during planning the invasion of Iraq, and the whole stovepipe bit, and all the interesting things Kwaitkowski had to say at that time…
If Negroponte and Cheney are remaking the CIA…well, that just gives me much hope…

Posted by: fauxreal | May 7 2006 3:40 utc | 24

While everyone is laughing at another Bush debacle, the inner troika of Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld sit around the table drinking drams of single-malt. They raise their glasses in a unified toast, “Mission Accomplished!”
Time for the next round…

Posted by: Malooga | May 7 2006 4:45 utc | 25

shorter malooga? – smoke & beers

Posted by: b real | May 7 2006 5:07 utc | 26

I’m in awe.

Posted by: Malooga | May 7 2006 5:15 utc | 27

how was your birthday malooga;)?

Posted by: annie | May 7 2006 5:31 utc | 28

malaise days
it’s been one of those days, nothing seems right
i slept through the sun, now i’m staying up all night
i’m leaky-eyed, and dissatisfied with myself
and my thoughts and my life
i wanna jump right out of my skin,
i wanna jump right out, out of my skin
i don’t know where i’m goin’, don’t like where i’ve been
i wanna jump right out , out of my skin
is this melancholly mood an epiphany?
or just renegade chemicals, unbalancing me
i’m so uninspired, makes me tired and i’d sleep
but my dreams don’t bring me relief
i wanna jump right out of my skin,
i wanna jump right out, out of my skin
i don’t know where i’m goin’, don’t like where i’ve been
i wanna jump right out , out of my skin
i try to tell myself , i’ll grow out of this
it’s just a passing youthfull fit
but i’ve got this intuition, a sneaking suspicion
periodic malaise it’s a human condition, it’s a human condition

Posted by: Malooga | May 7 2006 6:09 utc | 29

gone in pawn
got a little song, won’t take long
sing it right once or twice
oh lordy me didn’t i shake sugaree?
everything i got’s gone in pawn
pawned my watch, pawned my chain
pawned everything that i had to my name
oh lordy me didn’t i shake sugaree?
everything i got’s gone in pawn
i pawned my clarinet, pawned my old bed
ain’t got no place to lay my head
oh lordy me didn’t i shake sugaree?
everything i got’s gone in pawn
i got a secret i ain’t gonna tell
i’m going to heaven in a ground pea shell
oh lordy me didn’t i shake sugaree?
everything i got’s gone in pawn
i chew my tobacco, spit my juice
i would raise cain but it ain’t a bit of use
oh lordy me didn’t i shake sugaree?
everything i got’s gone in pawn
nothing to show, nothing to hold
if tears were riches i’d have bars of gold
oh lordy me that old pawnbroker cheated me
and everything i got’s gone in pawn
e. cotten

Posted by: Malooga | May 7 2006 6:15 utc | 30

Still, nothing of this explains the suddeness of firing Goss. It is bad style and there must be some reason for this.
Yes.
Well, he wasn’t stealing the toilet paper and soap, now was he. Is this really about ForniGate? It might provide an excuse?
I saw Georgie and Porter on the TV, they both seemed absolutely petrified, as if a bombshell from outside had hit them. Unexpected. Out of their control.
Moreover, one has to ask, why did he “resign,” why wasn’t he fired in the future? In Bush’s place, and in the case of a fornigate type scandal (I haven’t kept up on it) the thing to do is let the scandal move forward, take a grip, and then FIRE Goss. — One of those unfortunate bad apples who is addicted to poker or something and thus unfit to keep Americans safe. Then he slinks off into the sunset..
Why did it happen in the space of hours? Reportedly, but that may not be true, even Negroponte was surprised. Why did he have to leave right on the spot?
I’m stumped. I admit it. It’s a mystery.
The only explanations I can come up with is: a) the ‘firing’ was purely punitive, an impulse unguided by strategy, probably the work of Bush himself, so it’s like a family quarrel (dealing with important matters to be sure) and we will never know what caused it. b) the immediate departure was necessary to stop Goss from proceeding with something or other. It really can’t be, I think, in the service of a cover-up of anything, though the form was a stab at conventional mutual parting. But Goss didn’t even say he needed to spend more time with his family!
What happens to him next will give clues. I believe Goss is a loyalist and Bush was not very happy. But who knows.
As for Straw. I read that Bush called Tony and asked him what was up with all that talk about not attacking Iran. One might infer subtle pressure, or more. Certainly, Tony getting rid of him means one of two things. Either he was somehow forced to, or he is telling the world that the Brits are on board, he (Tony) has made up his mind. (Big surprise.) Because for internal Brit politics, it makes no sense (as I read it), it would have been best to keep him on. But I can’t see all that as linked to Goss.

Posted by: Noisette | May 7 2006 13:31 utc | 31

This rather bizarre article appeared a short while before the Goss departure. I have no idea if it means anything except for being a pre-cursor of the turf war theme.
The CIA Needs to Get Rid of the Empty Suits, Political Hacks and ’60s Retreads
By Jim Kouri, CPP
May 5, 2006, 00:23
Guest Column
Magic City News

Posted by: Noisette | May 7 2006 13:36 utc | 32

Documentary about the Franklin Cover-up

Yorkshire had a contract with the Discovery Channel to produce a documentary on the case for American television.
Finally, the big day came. Their documentary was to air nation-wide on the Discovery Channel on May 3, 1994. It was advertised in the TV Guide and in newspapers for that day. But no one ever saw that program. At the last minute, and without explanation, it was pulled from the air. It was not shown then, and has never been broadcast anywhere since.

As “Hooker-gate” starts to crank up as a major scandal, it is worth looking back to the 90s, at another scandal that was successfully covered-up at the time, and a reminder of how truly sick some of the people in power really can be.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 7 2006 18:13 utc | 33

Why did it happen in the space of hours?
Recall Fitzy was meeting w/Grand Jury, all the Press was there. My guess timing driven to divert attention from feared Rove indictment.

Posted by: jj | May 8 2006 4:38 utc | 34

My guess, like AbuGrahib and the Digicams, that the cabal is cranking up a misdirection play in an attempt to turn Hookergate itself into the Kool Aid.
All of which has me wondering….did the Night Porter ever work for the Mitchell Brothers in days gone by?
.

Posted by: RossK | May 8 2006 5:47 utc | 35

yes could be jj.

Posted by: Noisette | May 9 2006 18:36 utc | 36

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