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April 24, 2006
Drumheller

by fauxreal
stolen from a comment

I did read an interesting comment that bin Laden may have appeared to undercut the 60 Minutes appearance of Tyler Drumheller who put the case forward to voters that the Bush junta knew the reasons they gave for war were lies, and thus the invasion of Iraq was a violation of the Nuremberg Principles. (That thus is my conclusion, but one that flows naturally, imo, from a war based upon lies, dressed up as defense when it was, in fact, an act of aggression. Yo, Poland.)

Josh Marshall makes the interesting point that, given Drumheller’s statements, the legislators who investigated the Iraq war claims covered for those lies and also deceived the American people.

To me, this is all an extension of the Constitutional crisis that began with the 2000 elections. I knew no good would come from it, but I had no idea things could be this bad.

Digby has a post that talks about the calls to arrest people who are telling the truth. Criminalization of dissent. Digby links to Robert Parry, who notes calls for imprisoning journalists (Bill Bennett), charging generals with sedition (Moonie Times) and as Parry notes:

The firing of CIA officer Mary McCarthy and the threats of criminal charges against various dissenters are just the latest skirmishes in the political war over who will decide what Americans get to see and hear.

The other signal to Bush’s critics, however, is this: If they ever thought he and his administration would accept accountability for their alleged abuses of power without a nasty fight, those critics are very mistaken.

From Harper’s, regarding the current power struggle: 

This former senior officer said there “seems to be a quiet conspiracy by rational people” at the agency to avoid involvement in some of the particularly nasty tactics being employed by the administration, especially “renditions”—the practice whereby the CIA sends terrorist suspects abroad to be questioned in Egypt, Syria, Uzbekistan, and other nations where the regimes are not squeamish about torturing detainees. My source, hardly a softie on the topic of terrorism, said of the split at the CIA: “There’s an SS group within the agency that’s willing to do anything and there’s a Wehrmacht group that is saying, ‘I’m not gonna touch this stuff’.”

The analogy is regular army against Hitler’s bodyguards. He used the SS to gain power, not just fight wars or run extermination camps. The Wehrmacht attempted an assassination, the July 20 (1944) plot.

The military evaded political meddling during most of the Third Reich’s history. Most of its leadership was politically conservative, nationalistic and hoped to reconquer territories that had broken away from Imperial Germany. Hitler had promised to rebuild Germany’s military strength and officers were mostly sympathetic towards the National Socialist movement. Political influence in the military command began to increase later in the war when Hitler’s flawed strategic decisions began showing up as serious defeats for the German army and tensions mounted between the military and the government. Not only did Hitler appoint unqualified personnel to lead his armies, but also gave to his commanders impossible orders, such as to shoot all officers and enlisted men who retreated from a front line.

(From the Wehrmacht link at the July 20 entry.)

And, going back to the question of that German politician mentioned by Uncle $cam, Laura Rozen, at War and Piece, mentioned Drumheller on April 2, 2005. This is an article to go back to, considering the appearance of Drumheller. It concerns "Curveball" and intelligence sources who discredited him and those who shielded him. That article, and the link to Der Spiegel, question whether or not someone in German intelligence helped Bush fabricate evidence.

Several weeks later, Drumheller discovered that his warning had been ignored when his executive officer brought him an advance copy of Powell’s Feb. 5, 2003, speech to the U.N.

Drumheller said he then arranged a meeting in McLaughlin’s office and described what the German operative had told him over lunch several months earlier. After listening for 10 minutes, Drumheller said, McLaughlin responded by saying, "Oh my! I hope that’s not true."

McLaughlin, who retired in January after 32 years at the CIA, said he did not recall the meeting and denied that Drumheller told him Curveball might be a fabricator.

"I have absolutely no recall of such a discussion. None," McLaughlin said in a statement Friday. "Such a meeting does not appear on my calendar, nor was this view transmitted to me in writing." He said he was "at a loss" to explain the conflicting accounts.

But another red flag appeared. On Jan. 27, 2003, the CIA’s Berlin station warned in a message to headquarters that Curveball’s information "cannot be verified."

Drumheller, meanwhile, said he never heard from McLaughlin or anyone else to confirm that Curveball’s material had been deleted from Powell’s speech. So when Tenet called him at home on another matter the night before Powell was to speak in New York, Drumheller said he raised the Curveball case.

"I gave him the phone number for the guy he wanted," Drumheller recalled. "Then it struck me, ‘I better say something.’ I said, ‘You know, boss, there’s problems with that case.’ He says, ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah, I’m exhausted. Don’t worry about it.’ "

Comments

Think Progress has the video of Drumheller in 60 Minutes

Posted by: b | Apr 24 2006 17:49 utc | 1

Awww, say it aint so, shoeless Joe.

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 24 2006 19:32 utc | 2

I think I have a case of billmonenis envy.
everybody likes his posts. why can’t I have a post like his? he always has big long comments, he can be silent for a looong time, then pull out his pen and everyone is thrilled to see it.
sniffle, sniffle.
maybe when I grow up, I’ll have big long comments too.
but until then, I have to go disappear back into real world land and get some things finished. yesterday. which is why I’ve procrastinated so much by posting here and there.

Posted by: fauxreal | Apr 25 2006 0:13 utc | 3

faux. You don’t want big long comments. You want round firm ones.
😉

Posted by: beq | Apr 25 2006 1:06 utc | 4

i should have come on and commented earlier faux, i think this is a great post. really. it was on top this morning when i first logged on and i followed all the links. i also watched the crooks and liars video.i’d heard it was going to be on and had called my mother because some times i get the sense that she thinks i am so way out in front of the norm politicly
the things i tell her about are never going to make mainstream. 60 minutes is her favorite show, don’t call her sunday evening during 60m.
about the story, we all knew it. it feels like what we are hearing now just confirms what we all knew all along. frankly if this story had come out in 04 we would have hit the roof the msm was even saying it, regardless if we knew. but we’ve become so accustomed to having our theories confirmed, it’s hard to get excited. cats out of the bag. 32%. the only people holding on at this pt are the diehards.
takes some of the fun away when , at the same time we are finally relishing our little place in the daylight(after what almost 4 years) it takes all of 5 minutes for them to play catch the whistleblower, accuse the leaker, oops we’re on equal footing now. but not quite. and then there is that war. nothing we find out , althought turning the tide w/public support for the war, seems to make a difference in policy, or the disgrace, and worst of all practically lost in all this are the victims for which time, like a broken heart, has its own clock.
i do find comfort that the generals are coming out of the woodwork, one would naturally assume that in the face of such obvious failure of policy, leadership etc there would actually be reprecussions with the way the policy is enacted. no, we just have more plans for escalation.
the good news is its happening now at all i suppose. the exposure. i belong to a few local listserves. our st dem chairman just called out dean for not addressing iraq in the midst of some big dem wingding to put a face on the party. i think it’s going to be left up to the people to get us out of iraq. individuals coming forward. generals, cia, pentagon, courageous journalists, neil young, pink. the good news is its not taking 20 years.
my excuse, i wasn’t home today. i thought i’d wait til the heavies weighed in on your post, as i quite often do w/billmon, where i sometimes think any comment of mine just trivailizes serious dialogue. so i have none..
i can’t even imagine writing a post here. you have done a great job. oh, one more thing, i have been performing acts of activism in my own life. if nothing else i hope your post and the people it calls attention to inspire the mooners here in the US to get out an do something, because from the looks of things, we will be the only ones, the leaders are already sucked in to the next election process. they don’t want ot offend. if only they knew how much the lack of courage hurts us all.

Posted by: annie | Apr 25 2006 1:19 utc | 5

“where i sometimes think any comment of mine just trivailizes serious dialogue. so i have none..
No annie. That’s my job. You both add so much to the moon. Flowers to you two.

Posted by: beq | Apr 25 2006 1:28 utc | 6

This former senior officer said there “seems to be a quiet conspiracy by rational people” at the agency to avoid involvement…
That’s true not only at “the agency” but nationwide, isn’t it?
There will be a new round of musical chairs in November, perhaps more Demoplicans than Republicrats will find seats, and then our flight will continue, all the way down, and into the ground.
If the ground doesn’t rush up to meet us sooner, in Iran.
I always look for your stuff Fauxreal. It is always substantial and served with a very attractive air.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 25 2006 3:39 utc | 7

you all are very sweet, but really don’t take me seriously. I just wanted to get a chance to write “billmonenis envy.”
I know why people react to Billmon’s posts, because I do too. He’s very good. I didn’t expect to come here and see this bumped to a thread…my post was a sort of, hello, I must be going thing because of deadlines.
which is why I shouldn’t be here now…having a leeetle break… but I didn’t want to make people feel like they had to post to assauge my billmonenis envy.
I’d much prefer to take a break and find a new post from billmon or b. now back to work.

Posted by: fauxreal | Apr 25 2006 5:52 utc | 8

Bin Laden works for the RNC. Or, perhaps, the RNC works for Bin Laden.

Posted by: christofay | Apr 25 2006 6:06 utc | 9

@ fauxreal
I like your post. It is as substantive as one of Billmon’s, but not as suggestive.
Billmon is a great writer, but he is also a master of dangling more than particples out there for people to grasp at in the comments section.
OOOOH LAA LAAA…….

Posted by: Malooga | Apr 25 2006 6:23 utc | 10