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April 26, 2006
Lost Cause

Why are Rice and Rumsfeld in Baghdad?

To bend some arms and legs, either SecState or SecDef should have been enough. But Rice bending Iraqi arms one way, Rumsfeld the other way, changes nothing.

There is a ongoing struggle between R. and R. on responsibility for the political process in Iraq.

"We just want to make sure there are no seams between what we’re doing politically and what we’re doing militarily," Rice told reporters on her plane en route to Iraq. "Secretary Rumsfeld and I are going to be there together because a lot of the work that has to be done is at that juncture between political and military."

Celebrity Deathmatch in the Green Zone?

The official reason Rice is giving for her visit does not sound quite right.

"This is the Iraqis’ time," Rice told reporters traveling with her. "This is the time to support the Iraqi government of national unity. It will be up to the Iraqis to determine how this moves forward and we’re going to be there very much in support of them."

It is up to the Iraqis to ignore both Secretaries as they will.

There is, by the way, no government of national unity. So far a candidate for the Prime Minister has been named, but neither has he selected a cabinet, no one is even named for defense and interior, nor has he been elected by the parliament. Those processes will still have major hurdles and the government, if created at all, will be as partisan as possible.

But the trip is not to help Iraq anyhow, it is the "last chance" to save the project.

There was an atmosphere in her entourage that this visit offered perhaps a last chance to reverse some of the mistakes of the last three
years in providing security for Iraq, getting the oil and power systems
back and curbing sectarian hatreds and corruption within the Iraqi
government.

None of these mistakes can be reversed with the U.S. administration interfering. Iraq is a lost cause, the war against the resistance can not be won.

Unfortunately, like in Vietnam, it will take years until that is acknowledged.

Comments

You have to like this gourmet formulation in the NYT piece:

“The mindset that is nonsectarian will be very important,” she said on the plane flying here. “They understand and they want ministries that are not sectarian, because that’s the only way they can govern the country.”
The joint visit of the secretaries of defense and state was considered highly significant because there have been almost constant squabbles over issues large and small between the two departments since the beginning of planning for the Iraq war in 2002.

Leading by example …

Posted by: b | Apr 26 2006 15:29 utc | 1

if this were a gangster flick, r & r are being sent there to get rid of them, both being seen as liabilities to don cheney’s tightly-run organization – rice the leaker, & rumsfeld, well, what’s a gangster flick w/o a little betrayal between friends. killing two birds w/ one stone to provide a new causus belli to advance the iran plan, rally the sheep, & keep the $$$ rolling in. (sorry for the bleakness — musta woke up on the dark side of the moon this morning)

Posted by: b real | Apr 26 2006 15:40 utc | 2

What a joke, they’re about as likely to get the Shiites to give up sectarian interests as it is for Pat Robertson to embrace secular humanism. As for the militias, funny you never hear them call for the Kurds to give up their militia — or to stop the ethnic cleansing in Kirkuk or TelAfar. And have they noticed that Sadr’s people have been quietly infiltrating into Kirkuk, in what could easily develop into the first major militia on militia confrontation. B is right, none of these mistakes can be reversed with even more meddling by the US, unfortunatly, without the meddling, US influence would evaporate as fast as a puddle on Baghdad asphalt in the summer — what do you think that billion dollar, 110 acre embassy is for? Meddling is US.

Posted by: anna missed | Apr 26 2006 18:49 utc | 3

@anna missed:

The U.S. military is the world’s biggest, most overpriced toy, commanded by an ADHD-afflicted moronic dry drunk with the mind of a child, and in the short-term interests of large businesses. So, perhaps, one could say that Meddling “R” US?

Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Apr 26 2006 19:12 utc | 4

All part of the plan,
all part of the plan
creative disorder
sounds like my office
innocent in its
insouciance. insistent upon
what’s there
creative disorder
sounds so sanitized
so much better
than ethnic cleansing
or internecine warfare
but, alas, it is human
lives at the stake.
Families destroyed
ecosystems ravaged
military and oil
profits engorged.
creative disorder
a spring time fair
but Mayday may
have two different meanings
a parent who meddles
has neurotic children
but ask old O’neill
it is usually the parent
who is destroyed first
creative disorder
sounds so inspired
building the set
for the Potemkin event
don’t peak around
the wall or the curtain
of creative disorder
don’t see the carnage
don’t see the slaughter
hidden behind words
like creative disorder
its all part of the plan
its all part of the plan

Posted by: Malooga | Apr 26 2006 20:20 utc | 5

Nice Malooga. Thanks.

Posted by: PeeDee | Apr 26 2006 21:39 utc | 6

“they want ministries that are not sectarian, because that’s the only way they can govern the country.”
“His political background is vague”

He is number two in Dawa Party. He also was a senior member and a decision-maker in the Debaathification committee that was formed after the invasion to make sure that senior members of Saddam Husseins party dont infiltrate into the high-ranking government offices. I talked to the guy before, in person. He is one of the nicest politicians Ive ever met, and also one of the most sectarian ones. But in the new government, to be sectarian is all what you need to get a job!

Posted by: annie | Apr 26 2006 22:53 utc | 7

AFP : Rice, Rumsfeld confident of unity government in Iraq

Despite the rush of optimism, however, Rice and Rumsfeld cautioned that dismantling Shiite militias, which are thought to have carried out executions of the country’s former Sunni elite, would take time.
“I think it’s too early for detailed discussions about how to go about this,” Rice said referring to the militias.

Too early because R&R will be needing the MEK deathsquads for quite some time yet. Without them the Iraqis will join together long enough to jettison the Bremer-dictated, Allawi-stamped PSAs for the Anglo-American Oil companies, and tell the Anglo-American Occupation Troops to go home, NOW!

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Apr 27 2006 1:31 utc | 8

Army Times poll says bye bye Rummy

In a thoroughly unscientific poll on the Army Times website, found by Raw Story, responders have voted 2 to 1 in favor of dumping the man widely seen as the architect of the Iraq War — if it could be said to have structure, that is.
The question was as follows:
“Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has come under fire in recent weeks from a variety of retired generals, who say he should resign for his performance in managing the war in Iraq. Do you think the U.S. war effort is grounds for Secretary Rumsfeld to resign?”
When I clicked through to the Army Times page I found this advertisement [for “The INDEPENDENCE iBOT 4000 Mobility System”]occupying the middle of the page. I doubt it needs much commentary:

Posted by: beq | Apr 27 2006 14:18 utc | 9

Juicy: Rice, Rumsfeld in Separate Orbits in Baghdad

During a joint meeting with reporters traveling with the secretaries, Rumsfeld frequently doodled with a black felt-tip pen or stared absent-mindedly at the ceiling when Rice spoke. Rice would occasionally cast a nervous glance at Rumsfeld as he prepared to respond to a question. His answers were terse; hers were expansive.
Rice, in that briefing and a separate one with Iraqi journalists, eagerly cast the Iraqi transition as part of the administration’s quest for democracy in the Middle East. She told the Iraqi journalists that differences were “being overcome by politics and compromise, not by violence and not by repression,” making Iraq “a tremendous pillar of stability through the Middle East.” She added, “It’s wonderful to be here and to be a small part of that.”
But the administration’s mantra of freedom and democracy never passed Rumsfeld’s lips. Asked how the Iraqi government should eliminate the militias that have terrorized the populace, Rumsfeld appeared to suggest it was a relatively easy task. “Other countries have dealt with these issues and done them in a reasonably orderly way and over a period of time in a manner that was, in many instances, without much violence,” he said.

Posted by: b | Apr 28 2006 6:59 utc | 10