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Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 28 2006 12:04 utc | 1

Are We Done Killing Children, Yet?
By GIDEON LEVY Haa'retz

' A bullet in the head from a distance of a few meters, fired suddenly and without warning shots aimed at the wheels, which the Israel Defense Forces claims there were. This is the way undercover soldiers from the Border Police killed Akaber Zaid, an eight-and-a-half year-old, who was on her way to the doctor, according to her uncle, who was with her and was also wounded.

' Little Akaber was going to the doctor and he did indeed see her, but there was no longer a reason for him to do so. She had been on the way to have him remove stitches from her chin, but instead arrived dead at the same doctor's office, with her head smashed and her skull gaping. '

Iraqi police report details civilians' deaths at hands of U.S. troops
By Matthew Schofield Knight Ridder Newspapers

' "The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men," the report said. "Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals."

' The report identified the dead by name, giving their ages. The two men killed were 22 and 28. Of the women, one was 22, another was 23, a third was 30 and the fourth was 75. Two of the children were 5 years old, two were 3, and the fifth was 6 months old, the document said.

' The report was signed by Col. Fadhil Muhammed Khalaf, who was described in the document as the assistant chief of the Joint Coordination Center.

' A local police commander, Lt. Col. Farooq Hussain, interviewed by a Knight Ridder special correspondent in Ishaqi, said autopsies at the hospital in Tikrit "revealed that all the victims had bullet shots in the head and all bodies were handcuffed." Efforts to reach hospital spokesmen Sunday were unsuccessful. '

Had enough yet Americans? Israelis? When do the actions of the war criminals in power in our repective nations become monstrous enough to cause us, citizens of democracies, to stop the mad dogs we have let usurp our power?

Or shall we all end "emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty"?

Read those accounts, if you haven't. Do we even care?

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Mar 28 2006 12:17 utc | 2

Typical knee-jerk libralism.

Posted by: Groucho | Mar 28 2006 14:45 utc | 3

Except that all countries are not created equal, Abe.

Posted by: Malooga | Mar 28 2006 14:48 utc | 4

Except that all countries are not created equal, Abe

abe knows that. at least another country would be floating the pretense of equality. immigrants are about as american as apple pie.get rid of them, you may as well just give up the pie.

Posted by: annie | Mar 28 2006 18:37 utc | 5

oops, that was supposed to say wouldn't. strange,billmon doesn't have that post on his homepage, or something. not sure how that works.

Posted by: annie | Mar 29 2006 0:17 utc | 6

Abe had no problems with exclusion. All women were excluded from citizenship during his lifetime and presidency.

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 29 2006 18:16 utc | 7

gylan,

when people come to judge me in a hundred years' time, I want them to judge me by my contemporary standards and not by the standards that will exist 100 years from now.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 29 2006 18:41 utc | 8

@ralphieboy:

Point taken. But how many people do you think will be judging you a hundred years from now?

Posted by: Malooga | Mar 29 2006 22:09 utc | 9

One of the most pernicious and destructive commonly held beliefs that so-called modern society has largely accepted is that values are mutable. That is it was OK for Abe to be a misogynist 100 years ago but not OK now.

Strongly held values or tenets do not change with time or circumstance, although the expression of them can.

So if Abe was scared of, resented, or enjoyed hurting women that attitude would not change over time, but his methods of oppression would.

There is every reason to believe that Lincoln's misogyny was ingrained.
The result of the same sort of social conditioning that agrarian based societies propagate to justify the dispossesion of women's material assets. I have seen many posts in MoA critical of Middle Eastern societies' attitude to women, whose customs are still based around the agrarian society that most of those communities still practise. Interestingly enough, much of the oppression of women one hundred years ago in the US and Europe, was justified with biblical tracts, just as some try and justify the same attitudes in Arab society today by using the Koran.

The important point is that in 19th century western society not all men went with the attitude toward women that 'honest abe' reflected in his actions. George Bernard Shaw is a good example of a man who saw the iniquities of 19th century oppression of women.

It is not possible to take one aspect of a person's characteristics and claim that it is completely a result of contemporary mores.

After all lincoln saw through the iniquities of the oppression of African American males. That he didn't bother to worry about the horrible circumstances, akin to slavery, that all women were being subjected to is a reflection of his limited thinking.

I'm only bothering to point this out because so much of US history is fixed to the principle that presidents such as Lincoln or Washington were honorable.
That they were ethical men,and not that they were politicians, ready to sell any belief in the name of expediency.

This messiah like attitude perpetuates the myth of a divine presidency. That the president can do no wrong.
Very dangerous stuff that needs to be firmly rejected by US voters.

Posted by: | Mar 30 2006 0:34 utc | 10

Ralphie boy, by today's standards, your comments in response to my post are mysogynistic and betray your ignorance of women's history.

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 30 2006 1:40 utc | 11

Useless information: Women Go 'Missing' by the Millions

One United Nations estimate says from 113 million to 200 million women around the world are demographically "missing." Every year, from 1.5 million to 3 million women and girls lose their lives as a result of gender-based violence or neglect.

Posted by: beq | Mar 30 2006 2:21 utc | 12