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March 24, 2006
Ephemera

by fauxreal (stolen from a comment)

I’ve been looking through some ephemera related to American politics in 1925-ish. An article excerpts talk about the coming depletion of American oil, and predicts all oil will be gone in the U.S. in twenty years.

Interesting in light of today, but also in view of WWII and the mention of the Japanese not bombing the oil storage at Pearl Harbor those twenty years plus or minus later.

I also saw some things about the fight for Iraq between France, England, Italy, the U.S. and Japan. Germany was not an issue in this fight. Mussolini was already leading the fascists in Italy and claiming he had no designs on invasion of anyone.

In the meantime, there was a campaign in California called EPIC, or "End Poverty in California," because so many people were seriously suffering. Upton Sinclair was the candidate for Governor of CA. in this group and he was a professed socialist.

He was also endorsed by a group that called itself Progressive Republicans for Democratic Candidates or something like that. In other words, Republicans were willing to endorse Sinclair to try to solve the problems of poverty in light of the robber barons’ continued exploitation.

Interesting, at least to me.

We are certainly living in different times.

Another photo dealt with the death of Lenin and showed a clutch of men who were possible successors in an informal photo. Four of five of them were mentioned. A guy in the center was not mentioned. His name was Joseph Stalin. Was the paper so ignorant, or was the omission on purpose?

Of course, we can go back an construct a history based upon events. But in the midst of events, isn’t it amazing how wrong people can be, and sometimes for the best of reasons (and sometimes for the worst.)

Comments

Upton Sinclair? I believe we are back in The Jungle…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 24 2006 16:08 utc | 1

Interesting concept:

The “EPIC” (End Poverty in California) movement proposes that our unemployed shall be put at productive labor, producing everything which they themselves consume and exchanging those goods among themselves by a method of barter, using warehouse receipts or labor certificates or whatever name you may choose to give to the paper employed. It asserts that the State must advance sufficient capital to give the unemployed access to good land and machinery, so that they may work and support themselves and thus take themselves off the backs of the taxpayers. The “EPIC” movement asserts that this will not hurt private industry, because the unemployed are no longer of any use to industry.
We plan a new cooperative system for the unemployed. Whether it will be permanent depents upon whether I am right in my belief about the permanent nature of the depression. If prosperty comes back the workers will drift back into private industry. No harm will have been done, because certainly the unemployed will produce something in the meantime, and the State will be that much to the good.

It would of course take “demand” off the market and thereby hurt the existing business…

Posted by: b | Mar 24 2006 16:32 utc | 2

Nice steal, b.
Fauxreal,
I think the bit about oil running out was the frame-breaker for me. Somehow everything 1920s is seeming relevant/deja-vu these days – any lessons in there for survival?

Posted by: citizen | Mar 24 2006 16:36 utc | 3

Excellent fauxreal!
Your Ideals and comments reminds me of Guénon’s The Crisis of the Modern World and The Reign of Quantity for some reason, however, I am to delirious, w/ 101 fever/temperature to convey why right now. ;-(

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 24 2006 17:41 utc | 4

Burning oil………. we do it ad nauseum.
We’re heading for a place where The Wall Street Crash of Steinbeck will look like playschool.
Such is the Fascist Legislation being put in place now.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Mar 24 2006 20:40 utc | 5

Re the “end of oil” in the 1920s, the estimate was actually pretty accurate. Of course, I believe they were referring to the shallow, on-shore fields in East Texas, because off-shore drilling still hadn’t been extensively practiced yet. Most of the US oil produced post-1930s came out of basins not even considered in the 1920s and certainly not technologically accessible at that time.
The real problem which we face now is that our technology is capable of assessing the locations of potential basins and then actually looking at them. Anything which looks attractive has had folks rummaging around in it already. The only areas which haven’t been explored likely lie under the Antarctic ice cap (and some will exist there for sure). Just look at global warming as a positive feedback mechanism by the petroleum companies to gain access to the Antarctic riches. Go South, young man!

Posted by: PrahaPartizan | Mar 24 2006 21:23 utc | 6

Nice little peice fauxreal. The twenties were a precurser and the model for current greed. Trickle down economics is what took place inn the 1920s and as today, the debt will be called. The depression should have been much shallower than it was. The mismanagement by the Fed of the money supply during the thirtys was criminal.
Henry Ford made astronomical amounts of money. The robber barons had republican presidents that stood back and watched the good times roll.
But, the ultimate event was the election of FDR and his betrayal of the ruling classes in favor of social safety nets that survive, though sometimes by a thread, to this day. That is what we need today is a liberal from the upper classes that is willing to betray the elite they come from. FDR had special problems that led to his sympathy for the underclass. He knew pain.

Posted by: jdp | Mar 24 2006 21:47 utc | 7

jdp – liberal elite = al gore? i’m hoping for a run in 2008.

Posted by: conchita | Mar 24 2006 22:01 utc | 8

For fuck’s sake “what we need today is a liberal from the upper classes that is willing to betray the elite they come from”. If one considers the huge undercurrent from ordinary people for a substantial change that was about in the 20’s and then looks at the FDR band-aid which in fact caused the rise of the military industrial complex that they got, IMHO the last thing people in the US need is a representative of the elite patronising the underclass and then using them as factory fodder, followed by cannon-fodder. All the individual wealth accumulated by the migrants and the homestead movement in the 19th century ended up in the hands of the elites with the ‘new deal’. They moved from being independent determinants of their own future to becoming dependents of the whims of their government and the corporations which owned those governments.
Still I won’t waste any time telling people in the US this, since they apparently don’t like anyone from outside studying their history. I will suggest they spend considerable time studying it themselves though. Resist the temptation to save ‘time’ by absorbing some self appointed historian’s ‘interpretation’ of what happened and take the time and energy to go to a wide range of primary sources such as contemperaneous news items across the whole spectrum of political thought.
I know I’ve got this quotation wrong but it goes something like “those who forget their history are doomed to relive it’ In this case, that would leave a dreadful legacy for future citizens, not mention the rest of the world, if Al Gore got anywhere near the Whitehouse.
Why not expend energy changing the system so that the US executive and legislature are no longer the exclusive province of the elites?
Believe me that would get you better government than any amount of bored white boys could deliver.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 24 2006 23:19 utc | 9

thank you, may i have another?

Posted by: conchita | Mar 24 2006 23:28 utc | 10

Well Posted by: blank, nobody ever said FDR was perfect. He made friends with many racist southern dems and he never was out to kill capitalism. He was out to make capitalism a little more palitable.
FDR saw WW II as a way to get out of the depression, plus give elites “their” war. Further, I enjoy comments from around the globe and agree with much and envy the better health care and pension systems, but remember, us red neck hicks in po dunk USA had early rtelative leave your god dam countries to get away from the type of assholes you remind us we have. Those who live in glass houses, you know the rest.
Let me see, Europe gave us Hitler, Louis, Napolian, Russia gave us Stalin, China gave us Mao, Japan gave us Imperial Japan. Africa gave us Apartied and plenty of African henchmen and dictators.
We have real problems, but, watch how many stones your throw.

Posted by: jdp | Mar 24 2006 23:55 utc | 11

I’m watching Wes Clark.

Posted by: correlator | Mar 24 2006 23:58 utc | 12

i honestly should not be writing on moa, but back from walking the dog and must say the anonymous poster was not wrong. however, it is so much easier to say tear down the system from the outside. personally, i’d be happy if an earthquake happened in dc and we lost the whole lot (with a few exceptions – feingold, boxer, conyers, lee, nadler, maybe kerry, durbin, harkin, kennedy), but it seems that is what it would take. so i think inside the box instead – and it is getting tougher and tougher to do. al gore has stepped up to the plate the past couple of years in ways he never did in the past and i like this metamorphosis. most important, he has the right views on media and the environment. so i would gladly vote for him in 2008, and i’d be even more pleased if he could win on an independent ticket, but seriously, what is the likelihood? so for fuck’s sake – what are we supposed to do? do you have any ideas to accompany that lashing? right about now, i just want to make sure we don’t end up with hillary.

Posted by: conchita | Mar 25 2006 0:22 utc | 13

@conchita: Here here.

Posted by: beq | Mar 25 2006 1:30 utc | 14

LOL. How strange to visit here and see my transposed plurals in all their glory on the front of this blog.
Thanks for making the link to Upton Sinclair, b. He was an interesting character…and even wrote The Gnomemobile, that great socialist tract celebrating the Muir woods.

Posted by: fauxreal | Mar 25 2006 5:18 utc | 15

Okay, this is off the wall, but, rummaging around I found that Upton Sinclair liked Elbert Hubbard who created the Arts and Crafts community called theRoycrofters. Hubbard himself, made a fortune selling soap and then used his fortune to create this utopian, William Morris socialist inspired artisian community. Hubbard himself, fancied himself as a kind of dandy philosopher and produced a rather large volume of particularly bad writing, that none the less was bound and illustrated (by the artisans) in state of the art high quality. The Roycrofters at their zenith, employed over 500 workers in very progressive working conditions (especially for women)– producing books, metal work, furniture, and leather works of very high quality. Hubbard and his wife went down with the Lusitania in 1915, but the community lasted well into the depression years.
Oh, and L.Ron Hubbard (of Scientology) was Elberts newphew.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 25 2006 9:41 utc | 16

Yesterday I saw a bit of a documentary on the way up to the stockmarket crash in 1929. I had to go before the big finale with the crash and all so I got stuck in that pre-crash time.
It was interesting times, apparently in the 20ies all economy journalists of any standing was bribed by one or more stockbrokers. There was economicists who warned about the coming crash but they were ridiculed and accused of being unpatriotic. Even so there was common knowledge that the stockmarket might crash.
Most of the profits were going to the small group of wealthy stockbrokers who ran the show, Al Capone accused them of running a scam. The presidents were mostly interested in keeping the good times rolling, while carrying out military adventures.
A number of times before the actual crash there were ‘almost-crashes’. The market turn downwards, liquidity went dry and everyone thought the crash had come. And then banks pumped more liquidity into the system and it could tumble on.
Yeah, the late twenties are looking kind of familiar.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Mar 25 2006 14:04 utc | 17

Thanks fauxreal for a lovely post. And anna missed for a little icing on the cake. Of course, Elbert, despite his laudable A&C community, was a true man of the times, espousing a soft socialism that sounds much more like today’s fascism–and my post two days ago on controlling people. Read his famous, “A Message to Garcia,” and decide for yourself if the ‘L.Ron apple’ did not fall very near the twisted hardwood tree.
It should be noted that despite Debs’ persecution, Socialism was a respected ideology by many powerful and influential people right up until the Reagan schism. Peruse books of literature, thought and opinion, from the thirties in particular, and find yourself refreshed. (By the way, I hope our very own debs is doing OK these days; he has been missing for several weeks, after hinting at health problems.)
For those of you who advocate feverishly for the little jack-booted bomber of Yugoslavia, or the cosy liberal coterie who form the very backbone of our racist, genocidal, “Israel” policy, I ask you civilly to educate yourself, or at least have two stiff drinks and call me in the morning ;+)
Maybe there is no explaining to those that dream of a “good” leader, in much the same way that denizens of the former Soviet block yearn for a “strong” leader, that true power, and all that is good and just, and has ever been good and just, wells up from the groundswell of concerned humane people, just as crude oil bubbles from the sands of mesopotamia. Even if Ghandi himself was elected President, he would not be able to achieve any good, and would be quickly assassinated.
That is because “achieving good” is not the role of the President. President has two duties: shill for the elite consensus–marketing the ongoing theft; and control of the resulting restive masses. It is only in the later role that the President (cf: Roosevelt, Johnson, and yes, Nixon) has any power to affect progressive change.
If 50 Million people were blocking the doors of commerce day in and day out, Bush, himself, would magically become more progressive than Bill Moyers.
There is also the additional role of President as “Cult of Personality”, with all news stories beginning with his most trivial thoughts and utterances, and all analysis and public concern being of his relative success or failure. This is to convince the public that he has the power and you don’t, when, if people would wake up and get to work, instead of waiting to be saved, they would quickly discover that the reverse is really true.

Posted by: Malooga | Mar 25 2006 15:29 utc | 18

If 50 Million people were blocking the doors of commerce day in and day out, Bush, himself, would magically become more progressive than Bill Moyers.
malooga, how to motivate the 50 million? i can’t get people to call/write letters to their senators. and then when i call and write letters, the senators don’t respond. it feels as much like representation without taxation as i can imagine. so yes, i agree a groundswell of concerned humane people would be a lovely and effective thing, but are people reachable? will they come out from in front of their television sets?
while i may be mocked for my interest in gore, leadership can make all the difference. what we are fighting here is enormous. still too many believe what they see on television and elsewhere in the traditional media (if they even bother with that). gore seems to get it and seems to be actively working to make change. afaik he is not doing it as a campaign strategy – although i wish he was. if you haven’t read it, i recommend ezra klein’s article on gore in this week’s american prospect. while i certainly would like to see the system change by the 2008 election, i don’t hold out much hope for it and in the scenario we have i hope for a gore run. besides i think he has learned from experience and would not let them steal it again.

Posted by: conchita | Mar 25 2006 21:28 utc | 19

Malooga,
Your right about Hubbard, and here is a hilarious critique of the maestro. I’ve been a student of the american arts and crafts movement for over a decade and could probably write something up if there was interest. I thought it was interesting that Sinclair wrote a piece on Hubbard and they probably knew each other, we often neglect that people in these movements knew and were influenced by each other. The american arts and crafts movement (1900-1920) was perhaps the first comprehensive (including architecture,furniture, pottery,metalwork, textiles,etc) and unique (in its own way) cultural movement in american decorative arts, that was also a reflection of a shared social consciousness — in the reactionary sense of being a hedge against the ill effects of industrialization. Like the Roycrofters, much of the artisan esthetics of the movement were evidenced also in attention to labor and gender issues, and most of the larger manufacturers like the Stickley firms, Limberts, Byrdclifft, and others that used worker conditions to promote their products. In a significant sense, the arts and crafts movement presupposes many of the tenents of modernism itself — even the fine arts, and has left a cultural legacy that goes beyond mere objects.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 25 2006 22:25 utc | 20

anna missed- I’d like to see your take on the “unified theory” 🙂 of the arts and crafts movement.
It seems that Sinclair was something of a utopian believer…later he believed in something called “technocracy,” a future in which technology would make it possible to work 6 days a month and retire at 45…but it was based upon need/use, not supply/demand:
here’s something about it from, believe it or not, Social Security History online
…it would briefly flare as a serious intellectual movement centered around Columbia University; although as a mass-movement its real center was California where it claimed half a million members in 1934. Technocracy counted among its admirers such men as the novelist H.G. Wells, the author Theodore Dreiser and the economist Thorstein Veblen.
Technocracy held that all politics and all economic arrangements based on the “Price System” (i.e., based on traditional economic theory) were antiquated and that the only hope of building a successful modern world was to let engineers and other technology experts run the country on engineering principles. Technocracy’s rallying cry was “production for use,” which was meant as a contrast to production for profit in the capitalist system. Production for use became a slogan for many of the radical-left movements of the era. Upton Sinclair, among others, affirmed his belief in “production for use” and the Technocrats briefly made common cause with Sinclair, and even Huey Long, in California. But the Technocrats were not of the political left, as they held every political and economic system, from the left to the right, to be unsound.

It sounds like it has more to do with the actions, if not ideology, behind “radical simplicity” today.
You know, if the 20s, more ppl were living in the city rather than country for the first time, so rich and poor could more easily bump against each other’s lives.
The Bolshevik Revolution was just three years old, and ppl had all sorts of hopes for a system that would not allow so much suffering amidst such aggrandizements. No wonder there were so many utopians, and ppl willing to entertain various ideas for new ways to live…that’s not so utopian anyway, considering the second industrial revolution.
And in the 20s, just as now (just as always…) both Republicans and Democrats were in the pocket of the richest of the rich and gave them all sorts of govt deals and handouts (but that’s not “welfare” because, in return for selling off what is not theirs to sell, the pols were paid for their corruption. )
The problem with the poor is that they’re poor, in other words. Otherwise, it would be okay for the govt to give them a helping hand to establish themselves with some degree of basic human pride.
The oil cos were so corrupt then that not only did they bribe pols and buy the naval oil reserves (teapot dome), they also did deals to scam their stockholders, as in Standard Oil, Sinclair, and Humphries and a fake (shell, heheh) oil co in Canada, that was created to skim profits from unknowing shareholders.
sounds enron-ish to me.
I suppose I have a dearth of imagination, but I do not see why anyone who makes as much money via Halliburton as Darth Cheney, for instance, needs more money, esp. when you see, via Katrina, the levels of poverty in America.
As a public servant, you’d think he’d give a damn…but I suppose that just reveals my utopian tendencies too.

Posted by: fauxreal | Mar 26 2006 0:32 utc | 21

Oh, and one last thing…Uncle- my comments may have reminded you of Gueron, but I totally disagree with what I read about him from your link to a link:
The gist of Guénon’s metaphysical views also lies at the heart of the Traditionalist School: the primordial and perennial Truth, which manifests itself in a variety of religious traditions and metaphysical systems, has been lost in the modern world. The modernists seek to reduce all higher principles and levels of reality to their manifestation in the world of multiplicity and relative existence. Modern philosophy carries this out by reducing everything to the individualistic horizon of the subject and by relegating objective reality to the discursive constructions of the knowing subject. In the field of natural sciences, positivism and its scientistic allies similarly reject any reality that is beyond the reach and scrutiny of the quantitative measurement of physical sciences.
The only “eternal truth” I believe in is that the universe has lived billions of lives and humans have been a very small part of that existence. I agree with the idea that cognitively we may very well be wired for religion as a way to make peace with the unknowable, like seeing a horizon and trying to move toward it…or more precisely, like we see a mass in a chair in near-darkness and try to see if it’s a person or a bunch of lazily tossed-off clothes.
My “old school” is Enlightenment-based, not esoteric. I would not trust any belief system that could not be explained by the known world. I may entertain “unknowable” ideas, but I don’t invite them to move in.

Posted by: fauxreal | Mar 26 2006 0:55 utc | 22

´faux,
there are plenty of folks who forget that a “testament” is a statement of faith, as in “this is what I believe and why”. These are often the same folks who try to turn the Old Testament into a science textbook or the Koran into a legal codex.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 26 2006 9:18 utc | 23