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February 26, 2006
Iraq Withdrawal

In a piece at Crooks and Liars, Glenn Greenwald calls for a realistic debate about U.S. troop withdraw from Iraq:

Being opposed to the war before it began does not necessarily mean that one must be in favor of withdraw now. Even if it would have been preferable not to have invaded, the reality is that we have invaded. So the question now becomes – how do we best rectify the disaster we have created? If our withdrawing would worsen the security situation in Iraq, then demanding that we withdraw anyway is a form of easy moralizing which cannot actually be morally justified.

There is a compelling argument to make that we should withdraw our troops. But that argument can only be based on the premise that our troops — contrary to the views of the elected Iraqi government — are doing more harm than good, not that the invasion was unjustified in the first place.

Let us forget for a moment that even 10 weeks after the election, there is no Iraqi government. There are also no signs that there will be some weeks from now.

Let us forget that the most of the government folks are former expatriates, who depend on the U.S. to provide their personal security and current and future income. Only some 70% of the population does call for an U.S. withdrawal.

There is one very simple easy question that makes any discussion about morality of an withdrawal or helping Iraq a waste of time.

Let us for a moment assume there were reasonable plans to better the situation in Iraq through the use of U.S. diplomatic or military means.

Who would be responsible for their implementation?

You see the problem?

Whatever idea might come up how the
U.S. really could help in Iraq, the execution would lie in the hands of
Cheney’s administration. People who screw up anything but propaganda in the first place.

Is there anybody who has reasonable confidence that these people can implement any  serious issue?

See, that´s what I guessed. So stop the discussions now and get the troops out.

Comments

Jesus Christ: the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
The crisis in Iraq: the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Let us praise the Lord and those who work his will on earth.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Feb 26 2006 21:09 utc | 1

fffff. that’s me swearing. i can’t stand this crap. for one thing howard dean is not in a similar position now as he was then so to drag his name into this is crap. this is bogus ammunition and i don’t like it. i am sick sick sick of people hemming and hawing about should we or shouldn’t we. what’s the difference between being there and being fully committed for the long run, or being there while we dilly dally around deciding if we should leave?? nothing. we’re still there. waiting to leave is like waiting for godot.
or waiting for palestine to have their own state. it’s always just around the corner. b.s.

Posted by: annie | Feb 26 2006 21:28 utc | 2

b, I’m not sure I agree that:
…in the hands of Cheney’s administration. People who screw up anything but propaganda in the first place.
I agree they screw up most everything they touch. I disagree that they aren’t screwing up their propaganda as well. I surmise that as inept as they are managing anything of value, they must ultimately be as inept at handling their main weapon against all we others, propaganda. :-/
Anyway it sure makes me feel better to believe that they have an Achilles heal. 🙂
The American Empire has been a reality and expanding it’s sphere of dominance since the end of WWII. A hopeful but not too unrealistic a scenario in my mind is that their complete ineptitude and incompetence will not only spell their own personal demise but the Imperium’s demise as well. Then humanity can than get on with salvaging the values of their ancestors and building a future based on a more consciously evolved paradigm than the sword.
It’s painful right now to live through the interim chaos and mayhem that we all believe needn’t ever have been. I can only recognize being a part of the process and waiting in good faith to see tomorrow’s outcome.

Posted by: Juannie | Feb 26 2006 23:10 utc | 3

Whats not known, is that if the US were to withdraw, would Iraq slide into sectarian civil war. What is, supposedly, known, is that Iraq like the former Yugoslavia, was held together only through authoritarian rule, that Tito and Saddam were the equivelant, to maintaining order over the diseperate sectarian interests. That the modern history of Iraq, has itself been predicated, either externally or internally on one form of authoritarian rule or another. It is assumed then, that without this authoriarian rule, Iraq would fragment into sectarian chaos. Because its always been so, it must necessarily remain so. Following this rational, Iraq must then, remain a country under authoritarian rule. Now of course, the Bush administration has candy coated this underlying assumption with the contradictory notion that democracy can be superimposed over the potential sectarian strife seething below the surface. Which interestingly enough, may actually be the case, were it not for the fact, that the presence of the US and its once exciled proxies within the government — represent the persistant ongoing belief in the dis-belief of the project itself. That the fundamental under-structure of the US position remains always frozen within the assumption that Iraq must remain under authoritarian (and undemocratic) control, that both serve its own self interests, while projecting an image of benevolence in preventing civil war. This notion would leave little doubt that this is the base intention of US policy, to sabotage its own declared mission as an engine to create perpetual rolling stalemate, thereby insuring access to its alterior motives of resource hegemony. If they really believed in their own rhetoric they could (have) allow a natural and representative democratic process to generate and develope into its own unique form and structure. As long as the US remains in its present posture the questions of democratic self rule and the relative cohesion of sectarian and national identities will remain veiled and unknown behind a shroud of US economic and military interests.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 27 2006 0:02 utc | 4

Who says the US has the right to decide whether to withdraw or not. Not me. The US has lost the option. That is what will make the invasion so costly to the US. Re-deploy to where? Kuwait, UAE? If they leave, they won’t be able to re-enter Iraq. Contractors and collaborators will be eliminated.
No, the US will be begging to leave. 100,000+ will be there for ever. The rest of the world will move on.

Posted by: biklett | Feb 27 2006 0:14 utc | 5

good thinking anna missed

Posted by: annie | Feb 27 2006 1:01 utc | 6

america & its allies must leave now. immediately. they must leave paying repararations for all the damage they have wrought
they will leave in any case because the thousand little stalingrads prove without question the real fragility of pwer. that it is empty. that it brings with it only harm & hurt. they will leave because not even for a day have they possesed any support amongs the people beyond the self serving lackeys inside the green zone & all the exiles who thought they would feed from the bloody stomach of their people
they will leave – because even for fascists – they lack the political will to do what they think needs to be done – their political will is not drawn from vision but from the crackpot cutting of a few minor right wing intellectuals who imagine themselves maimonedes. they are not. thyey are the straussian scratchers digging a grave for ‘their’ empire
but as i have tried to suggest – they will not leave just because they have lost & lost incomparably, lost in a way that is almost farcical if it did not contain so much human blood & flesh. so many dreams that can now not be dreamed
what they will do is extend the war & i’m convinced of it – in whatever configuration – they can work it will blinding their seemingly ever dumber public which seems capable of accepting vice presidents who shoot people in the heads, new orleans & its people left for dead & still left for dead, the sale of their ‘national security’, like everything else – up for sale
they are not only the hollow men they are the bought & sold ones

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 27 2006 1:46 utc | 7

Bernhard, if leaving means no US troops in Iraq beyond those guarding our embassy, it simply isn’t going to happen until the last drop of oil is pumped from the ground, or until the US economy implodes from imperial overstretch, whichever comes first.
They’re building the 14 permanent bases, the West Bank style occupation-forces-only roads you mentioned in a previous post, and the most expensive embassy in history by far.
To me it’s pointless to pretend there is or is going to be any serious debate about the elite with any influence on our foreign policy.
They’ll withdraw to their heavily fortified enclaves and maybe draw down some extraneous grunts but they will. not. leave.
There’s a great game afoot, you see, and admitting we got our asses handed to us by an insurgency with 1/gazzilionth of the Pentagon’s budget would be to concede that we’re not going to shock and awe the world into submission. That can’t happen.

Posted by: ran | Feb 27 2006 1:50 utc | 8

the peopke of iraq & of afghanistan & soon the peoplle of iran wear the terrible force of the malign power of the empire
but we too go madder every day – with laws that finbally are not laws, enquirees that are not enquirees, comissions which say nothng & investigate even less, & legislative body that finds belatedyl that nearly everybody is on the take
a judiciary that is full of fools that the scholars of the next century will have to find a new meaning for jurisprudence
& for you poor american hour upon hour of harridans & hacks screaming at you, threatening you, menacing you & finally comforting you in this happy mutual sadism of neglect
how many more days can i bare to listen to the – corrupt configurations of the ‘ports deal’, ‘of the missing emails in the cheney white house’, f the hundreds & hundreds of times i have heard -i cannot remember’, ‘that detail seems to have passed me by’, ‘no i didn’t know him until such & such mentioned him’, – what is being sold in your media would not have worked or passed muster in the kindegartens of my childhood –
yet they seem to work with unparallelled success on a public so centred on its own vanites thati t cannot see the breath & the blood of others
& while this vanity is left uninterrogated the breath & blood of others will be ignored until as they say – the doors of hell – open

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 27 2006 2:03 utc | 9

dahr jamail as usual precise & clear

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 27 2006 2:18 utc | 10

‘fraid that @ran is 100% correct. will.not.leave – not this side of ww3.

Posted by: DM | Feb 27 2006 2:41 utc | 11

& for you poor american hour upon hour of harridans & hacks screaming at you, threatening you, menacing you & finally comforting you in this happy mutual sadism of neglect.
Now that in some way captures it.

Posted by: Groucho | Feb 27 2006 2:52 utc | 12

Fisk

Posted by: DM | Feb 27 2006 3:02 utc | 13

On a positive note RG, I think high tide for these fucks was on or about 1 September.

Posted by: Groucho | Feb 27 2006 3:03 utc | 14

This same argument went on for, what, eight or nine years during Vietnam, during which time we bombed the hell out of three countries and were responsible for 3 Million deaths. This area of the world is far more strategic. We have no plans of completely ceding control back to the Iraqis unless they are our puppets. This is only act two scene one. There is a long way to go.
If you read between the lines of the Buckleys and Fukuyamas, you will find that they are not anti-imperialist peaceniks, but rather, Kissengerian realists who long for the return of the types of policies such as those that made Chile such a smashing sucess. Fukuyama’s recent op-ed in the Times, “After Neoconservatism” is an example:

In the first instance, we need to demilitarize what we have been calling the global war on terrorism and shift to other types of policy instruments….
….If we are serious about the good governance agenda, we have to shift our focus to the reform, reorganization and proper financing of those institutions of the United States government that actually promote
(sic) democracy, development and the rule of law around the world, organizations like the State Department, U.S.A.I.D., the National Endowment for Democracy and the like….By definition, outsiders can’t “impose” democracy on a country that doesn’t want it; demand for democracy and reform must be domestic. Democracy promotion is therefore a long-term and opportunistic process that has to await the gradual ripening of political and economic conditions to be effective.

In other words, return to NED subversion of democracy and the stealing of elections; growing and supporting ‘new’ Chalabis and Allawis, since these older used models have lost their sheen in the desert storms; the return of John Perkins’ ‘jackals’; and when all else fails, the imposition of a fascist ‘strongman’ dictator, who will uphold ‘American interests’.
I had thought about deconstructing Fukuyama’s piece line by line, but just didn’t have the time. Still, it is a worthwhile exercise to read between the ideological florishes and decipher what actual policies are being advocated.
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The Role of the Public Intellectual in the Formation of Public Opinion
I think even some readers of this blog suffer from a fundamental misunderstanding of the actual purpose the Buckleys and Fukuyamas serve as cogs in the machinery of empire. They are called “intellectuals”, which might lead one to believe that people like them sit around and think up new and daring policies to be implemented. That is not the case.
The more one studies history, the more one sees that there are no new policies or strategies under the sun; all have been tried before, most by the end of the Roman Empire. Those in doubt should read their Parenti and Zinn one more time.
Just as there are only a few types of politicians: demogogues, that seek to sway people’s emotions; populists, that seek to ride people’s emotions, mythic icons, that seek to misdirect people’s emotions, and various stripes of realists, that seek to calm or allay people’s emotions and appeal to their intellects–so too, there are a limited range of policies out there.
Policies either centralize control or decentralize it; they either increase order and coherence, or violence and chaos; they either increase inequality or decrease it; they either increase sustainability or decrease it; and they work with coalitions by either expanding or limiting them, and augmenting or diminishing the power of any of a number of constituent factions. After all, Politics, simply stated, is merely the art of determining who gets what.
There are two ways these changes are effected. One is by working with coalitions as described above, and the other way is with propaganda. Propaganda, as in the case of advertising, appeals to people’s prejudices, their hopes and fears, and also serves to retail partial or complete untruths.
So, there are no new policy options that political scientists have not, as yet, discovered. Empire constantly cycles between hard power and soft power. All Buckley and Fukuyama are suggesting is that it is now time to begin to cycle.
So, if these ‘intellectuals’ are not thinking up new policies, what are they doing? If they cannot be thought of as pioneers of priciple, perhaps they can better be seen as purveyors of propaganda.
The role they play should be thought of more as market researchers, or perhaps as unscrupulous traders at a livestock market. They write long and flowery essays in leading publications read by the nation’s ruling elites. They constantly seek new metaphors and images, often employing concepts and terms drawn from emerging scientific fields, or hot new buzzwords from popular culture, as ways to dress up the ‘ideological pig’, and then put it up for bidding. Phrases such as “We are not…”, “We should seek to…”, “We messed up the….”, “We must build…..”, “It is time to…”, are the foundational blocks they employ in appealing to the public support. Attractive and marketable ‘feature’ blocks are often catchy nonsense phrases, such as “The world is flat”, tendentious references to the implications of “Orientalism”, or trendy current concepts such as “viral”, “cloned” and “interconnected”–none of which actually describe anything that was not known to political thinkers before the germ theory of illness was first postulated.
All manner of logical argument, and more importantly, logical fallacies are put out for a test run, as the taste of the market is known to be fickle and unpredictable.
These articles run in prestigious publications, such as dailies, like the New York Times and Washington Post, and weekles and monthlies, like The New Republic, and others of that ilk, running the gamut of acceptable elite opinion (The Nation being the extreme left limit). The elite, who are, as Chomsky notes, the most brainwashed of society’s strata, have completely internalized the premises of empire, and therefore never see through this rather transparent game. So, they get all excited about these opinion pieces and start nattering among themselves about them. Despite the elite’s pride in its intellectuality, and superior intelligence compared to other social classes, it is, therefore, rather surprising that these pieces are never parsed for intellectual consistency or adherence to observed fact, but only for what aspects of the apologetics they believe that others will believe.
Through this game of everyone thinking for everyone else, eventually, a consensus emerges among the elite over which phrases will work best. These phrase are then picked up by the propaganda apparatus known as ‘the media’, and tried out. If the reaction of the targeted audiences proves positive, the memes are then spread throughout the land.
Of course think tanks, employing similar processes, play a great role in determing the initial policy of a new administration. This is done under the guidance of member public intellectuals by up and coming young trenchworkers. But once the general direction has been determined and agreed upon by the narrow ruling faction, the role then falls to the public intellectual to sell this ‘policy’.
Once policy has been implemented, and as in the case here, is found wanting in some manner, the public intellectual then takes up this added role of ‘developing and selling new policy’. Each intellectual then appears to compete in the marketplace of ideas for having, and selling, the best policy. The very limited range of elite accepted options which spring forth from this process, and their consistent prejudicial and inaccurate handling of facts, opinion polls, and other evidence, instead hewing to elite accepted myths, like the “Iraqi–Al Qaeda connection”, “Zarqawi”, or more recently, “Civil War”, should give the game away. That it doesn’t, is indicative of the prominent propaganda role of this endeavor.
Nevertheless, being able to best market the unmarketable, is still quite a feather in a public intellectual’s cap.
This method has produced such notable phrases as “Bush’s noble mission to spread democracy.” It should be noted again that phrases such as these are then spread uncritically throughout elite and common discourse as the latest marketing meme, despite how fatuous they sound, or more importantly , despite the absence in the evidentiary record for any facts supporting these ridiculous claims.
Of course, I have simplified the process a bit in this description. In actuality, an adroit politician will consciously peddle different, and often contradictory, slogans to different segments of society, domestic and foreign; each one meant to appeal best to its intended audience. When there is a need to obfuscate motivations they will often employ mutually contradictory slogans or explanations at the same time; often employing proxies for this purpose. This technique often accounts for the fact that different departments of the executive branch may seem to have apparent differences of opinion or approach, over which much needless editorial ink is then spilled, as these ‘disagreements’ never seem to actually develop further. This is what is commonly known as “throw it against the wall and see what sticks.”
This explanation is how I see the role of public intellectuals as generally operating within elite consensus in our society. Of course, actual dissidents, such as Chomsky and others, do not follow these rules. But it should be noted that even dissidents, such as those opposed to the US presence in Iraq, still field test various arguments in public fora, and will often use the arguments that best appeal to the emotional responses of their target audiences, even if other arguments hold greater intellectual coherence and validity. And, of course, dissidents, being outside the bounds of the permissible in public discourse are generally given short shrift, or find their positions hopelessly mischaracterised and slandered by the corporate media.
Sadly, it is the appeal to the emotions, both positive and negative, that most holds resonance in the formation and swaying public opinion. And that is why, after understanding what I have written above, and also having worked next door to a meat factory for several years, I would still rather eat sausage. It’s not that there is any more mystery in how it is made. It just tastes better going down.

Posted by: Malooga | Feb 27 2006 3:17 utc | 15

& understand grouch – that i am fortunate enough to only have to watch these harridans & hacks through crooks&liars – & these 3 minute spots are enough to besmirch the rest of my days/nights
& as the fisk article that dm has offered makes painfully clear how much delight the tyrants feel at their orwellian use of language

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 27 2006 3:19 utc | 16

Riverbend: It does not feel like civil war

It does not feel like civil war because Sunnis and Shia have been showing solidarity these last few days in a big way. I don’t mean the clerics or the religious zealots or the politicians- but the average person. Our neighborhood is mixed and Sunnis and Shia alike have been outraged with the attacks on mosques and shrines. The telephones have been down, but we’ve agreed upon a very primitive communication arrangement. Should any house in the area come under siege, someone would fire in the air three times. If firing in the air isn’t an option, then someone inside the house would have to try to communicate trouble from the rooftop.

Also see, Mosque Outrage Also Brings Solidarity

Muqtada Al-Sadr, arguably the second most influential Shia cleric in Iraq told reporters: “It was not the Sunnis who attacked the shrine of Imam Al-Hadi, God’s peace be upon him, but rather the occupation (forces) and Ba’athists … God damn them. We should not attack Sunni mosques. I have ordered the Al-Mahdi Army to protect both Shia and Sunni shrines.”

And finally, for what it’s worth,
Former CIA Analyst: Western Intelligence May Be Behind Mosque Bombing

Former CIA analyst a and presidential advisor Ray McGovern does not rule out Western involvement in this week’s Askariya mosque bombing in light of previous false flag operations that have advanced hidden agendas of the ruling elite.

“The main question is Qui Bono? Who benefits from this kind of thing? You don’t have to be very conspiratorial or even paranoid to suggest that there are a whole bunch of likely suspects out there and not only the Sunnis. You know, the British officers were arrested, dressed up in Arab garb, riding around in a car , so this stuff goes on.”
Imagine my shock.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2006 3:56 utc | 17

Gosh.
That Riverbend post is the best thing I’ve read on this issue for weeks.
Why?
Because if it is real people are finding hope in each other.
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Posted by: RossK | Feb 27 2006 4:57 utc | 18

Atrios agrees

Posted by: b | Feb 27 2006 8:52 utc | 19

The thing is, that the US is on the verge of losing any semblence of political control. Every scheme they have floated to maintain control, and especially these efforts at controled chaos, have evaporated as fast as piss under desert sun. Most of the efforts toward creating a government and a constitution have only resulted in an ineffective and illigitimate mens club holed up within the green zone, having about zero street credibility. In the abscence of legitimate governance and their attendent institutions, governance has essentially been usurped by the sectarian interests and their militias. At this point the militias, and to a degree the militias might also include the resistance itself amongst its ranks, have grown into the tail that now is wagging the dog (the puppet government) and now threatens to merge into a more singular force — that is decidedly the worst case scenario for US interests. It is that late for the US interests, that they are frantically trying to vett out the militia from the security forces, but like sand castles on the beach, the tide is non-discriminating, and to vett security — is to totally vett security. So of course the Iraqi government does not want this to happen, as it is an only vestage of potential loyality down through the clerics and the parties, tribes, clans, and people. But, the US demands this vetting for the opposite reasons of creating a military force loyal primarily to them. Hence, the fall-off of autonomus Iraqi security units.
So the US has spent the last three years fabracating an Iraqi government that is stillborn, with exception to their connection to militia military power, which the US is attempting to scuttle in the eleventh hour realization that the SCIRI and Dawa, along with their militias have become the de-facto government, again, the tail wagging the green zone dog. All of which leaves the US totally powerless except for the the fig leaf role of preventing civil war, as a last excuse for remaining in Iraq.
Which gives rise to speculation on the false flag issue. Clearly, at this point, with nothing left to hang its hat on, the US position can be seen to benafit from increasing the percieved threat of civil war. But, at the same time, real civil war would be percieved as abject failure of policy, both in Iraq and in the US. And while the US may be willing to sacrifice their puppet governments power through vetting the militias in order to bring in the Sunnis (and their militia, the resistance) — creating more sectarian strife is counter-intuitive to those ends. Not to mention increasing the likelyhood, currently being realized by Muqtada Sadr, of bridging the divide between sectarian interests and seeing that the real divider for what it is — the US interests.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 27 2006 11:12 utc | 20

@anna missed
Seen in that light, it very well could have been
Iran who pulled of the mosque attack in Samarra.
Let us not forget, Chess was Invented by Persians!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2006 12:30 utc | 21

If Iran did the bombing they would have to be very careful, if it could be proven that they were behind it, bombs would immediately start falling.
they may get blamed for it anyway, who knows? we can blame anybody we want to and it is up to them to prove they didn’t do it.
my guess is that this was done by someone who will be covered by USuk/Israel….or just maybe those wiley russkies.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 27 2006 14:35 utc | 22

Q: How do you say “Reichstag” in Iraqi?
A: Samarra!

Posted by: ralphieboy | Feb 27 2006 17:44 utc | 23

Uncle,
Exactly, and as far as who has the most to gain from the Sammara job I think it would be some Shiite interest, with Iran having the most to gain. It is important for Iran that Iraq maintain its sectarain (militia) connections into the (pupprt) government, as they serve also as a conduit for Iranian influence. The bombing job itself has all the hallmarks of being professional black-ops, the hours long surgical drilling and placement of explosives, the simple detainment of guards, and the victimless demolition itself, all indicate sophistication well beyond the Zarquawi gang or the Sunni resistance. Some eye-witnesses claim that US soldiers were in the area during the supposed set up time, so US complicity, or outright perpetration is not out of the question. If the US were somehow involved in such a mission, it would have to rank as the single most stupid thing they have done yet — and indicate the most desperate and sinister turn of events — in that they (the US) have moved from instigating a calculated low level sectarian strife into a no-holds-barred active promotion of civil war itself. It would also mean they have abandoned any short term confidence in working through the puppet government and are willing to open the floodgates of all out civil war in order to maintain a position. This in spite of the likelyhood that either, the militias (resistance included) will combine forces in a united front against the occupation, or, that the civil war will spin out of control and become a regional conflict. This would be a tantrum of epic proportions not unbecoming I suppose, to the darkest corner of the black neo-con heart. And no doubt the moral equivalent of Hitler, from the safety of his bunker, ordering his reminants to fight to the last man.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 27 2006 19:17 utc | 24

@anna – I don´t get what Iran would get from a civil war in Iraq. The already have what they need. A solid majority in the parliament, enough militia to scre away anybody.
There is nothing to win, but much to lose for them in an unpredictable civil war.

Posted by: b | Feb 27 2006 20:17 utc | 25

b,
Just thinking the Iranians do not want the US to vett the militias out of the security forces. I frankly dont think most Iraqis (or Iranians) think civil war is likely without major provication from outside sources, the degree of wich is unknown. If the Iranians are behind the bombing it is calculated with this in mind — to preserve the conduit of influence, while marginalizing the Sunni position within the government, knowing full well that this will be blamed on Zarquawi or the insurgency. While I could be way off base with this, I can’t see any other plausable explination.
the Iranians stand the most to gain
the Shiite government also gains
The US loses in the short run, but maybe thinks it gains in the long run (by starting a civil war) — who knows they do so many illogical and stupid things.
The Sunnis lose, by giving good reason to be not included in the government, as do their militia, the resistance.
Zarquawi, not capable of such an attack, nor has claimed credit for it
Whos left?

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 27 2006 20:49 utc | 26

the Iranians do not want the US to vett the militias out of the security forces
Impossible. The militias ARE the security forces.

Posted by: b | Feb 27 2006 21:03 utc | 27

Lookie lookie what I found, Ahmadinejad and Sadr; the fact that it was the illegal USuk/Israel war on Iraq, and now pre-war Iran, that has brought these two together is lost on the neo-convicts. When what it has done is made Sadr into the powerful figure he is today. Oh, the irony…
Sadr’s group has so much support that now the other Shia groups in parliament have to consult with him. Face it: he got the votes, he has the support. If 13 years of sanctions hadn’t stripped Iraq of so much, religious groups such as Sadr’s wouldnt have been able to gain a following among ordinary Iraqis who turn to them for day-to-day support and comfort. Not to mention Israeli Concerns over the New Hamas-Iran alliance. They did it to themselves…maybe, we should call an exorcist or a jinn chaser, perhaps!
Senator Sam Brownback, –author of the Iran Democracy Act –the loveable Republican from Kansas, has recently indicated his staunch support for a group currently classified as a terrorist organization. Not only does Senator Brownback want us to release the Mujahedin-e Khalq’s (MEK)terrorist classification, but he also would like us to fund them with taxpayer dollars.
On a side note, guess where the base of the MEK is? Thats right, Khouzestan.
I think annie is on to something…
Behind the paywall, todays Financial Times is reporting an intelligence wing of the Marines has hired a private defense contractor to conduct a secret study of Iran’s ethnic minorities. The study appeared to focus on whether Iran would be prone to a violent fragmentation along the same kind of fault lines that are splitting Iraq. In light of that, this Feb 26, 2006
Letter to editor, Amir says much…
Islamic Barbarian Theocracy: Invaders and Occupiers of Iran
I have come across some sentiment that depicts the current Islamic Regime as a foreign occupying force in Iran. The term “second Arabo-Islamic invasion of Iran” has gained popularity. Are these sentiments based on the truth, or are they baseless and just rhetoric?
Indeed, these barbarians can only be thought of as foreign invaders. They call themselves Iranians, but are they really Iranians?

The Iranian Century?

Saddam Hussein’s demise has positioned Iran to dominate the Gulf, at least in theory. What could foil fundamentalist President Ahmadinejad’s ambitions is his own economic mismanagement

What a clown, as we already know, the USuk/Israel War on Iran has already begun.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2006 21:09 utc | 28

So it begins…
Battle for Khuzestan has started?
Two bombs hit Iranian oil cities, 6 wounded

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 27 2006 21:34 utc | 29

Did you look at the poll Uncle $.?
“This is the beginning of a long, small campaign of increasing military action to destabilize Iran and take Khuzestan”
Seems about right.

Posted by: beq | Feb 27 2006 23:10 utc | 30

But b, thats what they’re trying to do. From Ed Wong:
Shiite political leaders and clerics say they are justified in keeping — and even strengthening — their armies, including those units in the government security forces, to prevent insurgent attacks like the one that destroyed the golden dome of the Askariya Shrine in Samarra on Wednesday.
That stance threatens to derail recent American efforts, especially those of Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, to persuade Shiite leaders to dissolve their militias and weed out police officers and soldiers whose allegiances lie with their own sect and not with the state. That is essential for the process of forming a government that would be credible to all of Iraq’s religious and ethnic groups.
Shiite leaders’ denunciations of Mr. Khalilzad, who hinted Monday that Americans might not pay for security forces run by sectarian interests, made it clear that positions had hardened. “We have decided to incorporate militias into the Iraqi security forces, and we are serious about this decision,” Hadi al-Amari, the head of the Badr Organization, a thousands-strong Shiite militia, said in a telephone interview. Since the Shiites took control of the Interior Ministry last spring, Badr members have swelled the ranks of the police.
Mr. Khalilzad was trying “to prevent the Shiites from getting the security portfolio,” he added. “The security portfolio is a red line, and we will never relinquish it.”

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2006 1:55 utc | 31

I hate to call attention to myself, but I am surprised that nobody commented on my post, “The Role of the Public Intellectual in the Formation of Public Opinion” above. I thought it was interesting, but perhaps it is not controversial.

Posted by: Malooga | Feb 28 2006 2:28 utc | 32

malooga
it is fine – what you have written & it converges with the thoughts of edward said
i wouldn’t waste your precious time with a close reading of fukayama – nor any other of his gangrenous gang

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2006 2:35 utc | 33

Malooga, I also found it interesting but it got caught, but surely not unnoticed, between my chasing of straws speculations. Sorry bout that, but I’m feeling a dread that the US in Iraq is reaching some break point whereby the US may actually precipitate civil war intentionally as a means to sweep all the failures off the table and start anew. The Ides of march are shaping up to be exactly that, which, incidently to me, was also the month in 1969 things came unglued in front of me in VN. And since then March always makes me nervous.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2006 4:05 utc | 34

Malooga, I too was chasing other things, that mean little in the big picture. I have read your post but had little time to process it, however, it is on my agenda…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 28 2006 5:05 utc | 35

Sami Moubayed from The Asia Times has my in foil hat:
Another party that could benefit from the unrest that has been created is Shi’ite Iran, the ally of Iraq’s Shi’ites. Tehran could use the event to enflame Shi’ite emotions in Iraq, and in the meantime let the US drag on with its war on the Sunnis. Already, a number of moderate Sunnis have accused Iran of sending arms to the Sunni insurgency. This would escalate the war with US-led forces, thereby weakening both the Sunni militias and the Americans, strengthening nobody but the Iraqi Shi’ites and pleasing nobody but the mullahs of Tehran.
Another suspect is Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the Iran-backed leader of the powerful Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI).
At first glance it would seem absurd for someone as devout as Hakim to commit such a crime on one of the holiest shrines in Shi’ite Islam. A closer look, however, would show that the attack very carefully inflicted minimal damage on Shi’ites. Not a single Shi’ite was killed in the bombing. Yet it gave the Shi’ites reason to take to the streets, demonstrate and terrorize the Sunni community, in supposed retaliation.
It gave them the justification to strike at a traditional enemy. The Iran-backed Shi’ites are not pleased at the new honeymoon between the US and the Iraqi Sunni community because it threatens to curb the influence that the Shi’ites achieved for themselves after Saddam’s downfall in 2003.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2006 8:34 utc | 36

Get the fuck out, now
Replace Bolton with Carter
Pay your dues to the UN, and offer any help that you can
Think about reparations for Vietnam Laos and Cambodia
Put your army to work rebuilding New Orleans so they can do a proper job reconstructing and cleaning up the countries they’ve polluted and destroyed.
Pay for it all with tax levies on the armament, oil and security companies that have profited from the wars.

Posted by: waldo | Feb 28 2006 13:58 utc | 37

malooga, i actually did make mention of it, just on the wrong thread! over @OT the exploitation of the info, even if the deal can’t be stopped, to expose the degree of malfaense to the american public, most of whom are unawares to the degree malooga describes above, and i include myself in this category,is paramount. so thank you .
anna missed, great link, best analysis on the bombing i’ve read so far.

Posted by: annie | Feb 28 2006 16:37 utc | 38

Malooga,
Read it, and was mostly dismayed to realize how I personally seem to assume the lessons of Vietnam, but haven’t actually learned them to any point of mastery, perhaps because I didn’t quite live through the period. I’m working on how to express this usefully, because I think I am not the only post-Vietnam generation US citizen to disrespect the individuals who write as public intellectual, but still nostalgically wish to respect the role.
More later.

Posted by: citizen | Feb 28 2006 16:52 utc | 39

@anna missed:
Solid analysis, but I hew more to the USukISR black ops did it. Create as much chaos as possible before ‘doing’ Iran.

Posted by: Malooga | Feb 28 2006 16:57 utc | 40

anna missed, i meant best analysis i’ve read in the press, right here at this bar i find the best analysis, including yours.
demogogues, that seek to sway people’s emotions; populists, that seek to ride people’s emotions, mythic icons, that seek to misdirect people’s emotions, and various stripes of realists, that seek to calm or allay people’s emotions and appeal to their intellects
this is what i am battling with. my mind will jump immediately to some personal assessment i find most logical based on what i perceive to be the evidence at hand often times by judging the degree of pressure applied by the challenging forces of propaganda. for example, the immediate accusation in the press the bomb was a result of alQ w/absolutely no evidence yet such swift assessment leads me to completely disregard this possibility. so whiles i feel all these pressures they infuriate me. a perfect example is the the port thread. the more frustrated i become at the noise in my head the least effective my reasoning skills become, which of course is the point of the noise to begin with. and the almost guarantee of the desired effect to subterfuge independent thought. i just need to keep my wits about me and not become a tool.

Posted by: annie | Feb 28 2006 17:06 utc | 41

Malooga, I always thought those pundits (public intellectuals, so called) did a spot of quick research to see how the wind is blowing, and then wrote it up all pompous, moral, slipping in a few concepts-du-jour.
Nowadays they certainly read the blogs n boards. They are a bunch of cribbers. I read the Buckley piece (I refuse to even skim Fuku-what-not, as it seems to me he sins more gravely, dressing up opinion as History), and there is nothing there that wasn’t on boards like FreeRep months ago.
Writing, from a position of authority, what people want to read (and nowadays have often written themselves previously!) is an easy, if dishonorable, way of making money. Hardly any effort, time need be allotted. There’s the timing – that takes thought and some skill.
I see their main role as a confirmatory one. They are reinforcers. The actual shaping of opinion takes places elsewhere.
Anyway, I enjoyed yr post on this topic, which brings up many other points, interesting.

Funny, I wrote that before I saw yr second post (and the following ones.) I read yr long post in the office and then at home had to search on Malooga to find it back…

Posted by: Noisette | Feb 28 2006 17:36 utc | 42

uncle, thanks for the links.
let’s not forget the Iran Freedom Support Act HR 282 IH introduced jan 6 ’05 the first day of congress during bushes 2nd term. the summary includes

Authorizes the President to provide financial and political assistance to eligible foreign and domestic individuals and groups that support democracy in Iran and that are opposed to the Government of Iran.
Expresses the sense of Congress that: (1) the President should appoint a special assistant on Iranian matters; (2) contacts should be expanded with democratic Iranian opposition groups; and (3) the President should designate at least one such eligible group within 90 days of enactment of this Act.

the bill also provides funds for new elections, the whole ball of wax.
i wonder who the special assistant is.

Posted by: annie | Feb 28 2006 17:51 utc | 43

The MEK have been supported financially by the US taxpayer since the invasion. They are living mainly in one camp (see links), close to Baghdad, supposedly disarmed, but their arms are just in a hangar on the camp. They seem to have abandoned some of their stringent Marxists and revolutionary fire.
Global Security org.

Ditto

General
Special Report: the Iran Connection (US News)

Posted by: Noisette | Feb 28 2006 18:04 utc | 44

annie, I concur. I always feel out on a limb trying to put together some sense to these event, obviously, without all the facts. But, sometimes (like these times) the need to make some sense, because of the profound lack thereof in the media, overrides the “making a fool of yourself” factor, so we plunge forward with what we can put together — which as Stuart Smally would say “thats okay” — because these things need too and will, come to light someway, so why wait for someone else to do it? The MSM has no compunction about slathering assumptions, half-baked truths, and outright lies all over the national consciousness. The least we can do for ourselves is to keep trying to see a greater truth, especially amongst the comrads here.
As another note, has anyone noticed how the conventional wisdom of “we have to stay in Iraq to prevent civil waq” has played out in the reality of the past week? What a joke. The US did nothing remotely like that last week during the single most significant event of potential civil war. If retreating and hunkering down in the safety of your base camp is somehow an action of preventing civil war then I need to buy a bridge, and a big one. The US took no preventative actions at all, they guarded no mosques, schools, ethnic neighborhoods, or other infrastructure elements that may become likely targets in escalating civil strife, they simply called out a cerfew and went back to their bases, and stayed there. While the clerical leaders and their militias went about defusing the entire situation by themselves — and considering the enormity of the prospects of civil war (as we have been spoon-fed) this should have been no easy nor unimportant task — which only goes to show who is really in control of Iraq, and it aint the glorious peacekeepers we’ve become obliged to assume. The US has become nothing more than a troublesome zit on the great rump of Iraq, and pretty soon someone’s gonna pop it.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2006 19:58 utc | 45

ok, last comment before i hit the studio.
before the dust settled fox was screaming civil war. oh boy did i hear it. this has been their dream come true and i have no doubt they are doing everything they possibly can to ferment it. guarentees our continued presence.

Posted by: annie | Feb 28 2006 20:21 utc | 46

As another note, has anyone noticed how the conventional wisdom of “we have to stay in Iraq to prevent civil waq” has played out in the reality of the past week? What a joke. The US did nothing remotely like that last week during the single most significant event of potential civil war.

This reminds me of the old Borsht Belt joke about the two wizened jewish ladies sitting on their aluminum chairs facing the ocean in Miami Beach. One of them has just returned from her grandson’s Bar Mitzvah, and she is complaining, “The food was horrible, absolutely inedible! And the portions were so small, too!”
Logic is no longer required in public discourse. I”m not being facetious, I’m serious.
The press never analyzes anything or holds anyone to account, without also presenting the ‘other side of the story’.
The government intentionally propagates contradictory explanations at the same time, and then emphasizes which ever one sounds best for the situation.
The only attempts at analysis are a few stray op-eds intended for the elite, who actually need some information to make financial decisions.
Critical thinking is no longer taught in schools.
Newscasters are chosen for looks, voice, sense of projected authority and trust. This has nothing to do with reporting ability, or accuracy, or truthfulness.
It’s a complete virtual reality. Whatever sounds good, goes.
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Additionally, what might be called meta-dialogues, or mythic truths, have been well established and drilled into people’s psyches, overriding all fact. What do I mean by meta-dialogue? The deep and abiding myths about America which us USAans have been spoon fed since birth, are an example. The myth of American Benevolence is an specific example.
Whatever the facts are, or the explanations, most Americans believe so strongly in our good intentions, that nothing changes that interpretation of reality. Pictures of helpless moslems being shot dead at point blank range in a mosque, torturings, rapes, waterboarding; because we KNOW that we have good intentions–that is postulated–all interpretations must be viewed through that lens; for most, with very little trouble.
This mythic truth then becomes all pervasive, so that no story can negate it. All must fit within the given framework. Wars–Vietnam, or Iraq, for instance–can be ‘mistakes’, or ‘prosecuted poorly’, or even, at the bounds of the expressable, the exception that proves the rule. But if one establishes through sound academic scholarship, as Ben Blum and Ward Churchill have, that white Americans killing brown people for lucre and land is the standard behavior, well, you have just committed ideological heresy. You must burn at the stake or, at the very least, be derided as a conspiracy theorist, or a charlatan nutcake. You don’t get to talk to Tim Russert or Charlie Rose like George Will does. You can’t even publish a book about baseball. Who would believe what you had to say?
Other examples not specific to America are: ‘the ability of science to solve any problem, eventually.’ The world will be in its final death throes and many people in the west will be completely untroubled, waiting for science, the technological messiah, to bail them out.
‘The cult of individualism.’ Suicides, depression,alienation, anomie, isolation, loneliness, lack of purpose; all of these and more are at all time highs in Western society. But drugs are the prescription, literally; the atomized structure of modern society is sacrosanct.
Another very important one in imperial conflict is the good vs. bad meta-dialogue. It is so drilled into our heads that this is an objective truth–and that WE are good–that people never see past it. You can talk about differing interests all you want–people’s eyes glaze over. We are INNATELY good and they INHERENTLY are bad; who cares what their interests are?
The American Western has been deconstructed by others far more talented than I, but it still has some bearing here. The true story of the American West is one of garrisons of soldiers slaughtering, decimating, and forcibly relocating Indians. But the American Western magically transforms this conflict into one between two groups of white guys–cowboys–though cattle rarely figure much into the story line. It’s the white hats vs. the black hats, good vs. evil. And who is always good? Why the propertied interests, of course. What has been peddled to us as the story of rugged American individualism, is in reality a reactionary peon to property rights. Sure the rogue in the black hat might be handsomer or sexier, but he must fall before the established order. That is the way of things.
Well, if you’ve been raised on such outright propaganda, how could it not integrate itself virally into your belief system? It bores in so deeply, so tenaciously, that it never needs to be overtly referenced in discourse; it is always there, ever-present in any dialogue.
Every news story you will ever see in the corporate media is based upon this assumption. Because it is a given, it never needs to be stated. Only in the exceptional case, when the needs of an individual are considered, perhaps someone who has suffered at the hands of a corporation, does the myth need to be EXPLICITLY invoked, and then only to demonstrate that this is the exception to the rule that is being covered.
Europeans have their own mythic truths, similar to Americans. The European Myth of Civility has been shown up to be a bit threadbare recently. The Eurpean Myth of Superiority shows up in many forms, one being, ‘European Benevolence in contradistinction to American Ruthlessness.’ This sense of exceptionalism can be just as destructive as the American one, particularly because of its sense of subliminal self-denial.
Forgotten are the centuries of European colonialism. Buried are European interests in former colonies. Buried are the proxy wars which send Africa into periodic paroxysms. Of course, European intervention in Africa is always packaged as “necessary to provide stability and re-establish order.” It is considered too trivial to state explicitly just whose order is being re-established.
Now, African conflict IS complex; there is colonizer/colony conflict, there has been the ‘free world/communist proxy conflict, the past decades have had increasing French/AngloUS proxy conflict, and now there is China entering the mix. The media covers these proxy conflicts as tribal conflicts among groups of savages that can’t get along, much like the Shia/Sunni caricture of Iraq.
Nevertheless, Europe has a rich history of violent meddling in the affairs of its former colonies. The Belgian led assassination of the Congo’s Patrice Lumumba was just the first salvo in that bloody conflict. The ‘forgotten war’, conflict in the Congo has taken in excess of 3.5 Million lives in the past decade, more than any war since WWII. (Something to remember as we agonize about 46 people killed in a car bomb in Iraq, or 5 shot dead in Palestine)
Then, there’s France’s intervention in The Ivory Coast, Britain’s in Sierra Leone, and the Portuguese Language Countries (CPLP) intervening in Guinea-Bissau. Add that to the Rwanda/Burundi/Uganda mess where Hutu and Tutsi serve as proxy combatants for French and AngloUS interests, respectively. Oh, and Darfur, almost forgot.
The head of the IMF has traditionally been a European. What is noteable is what we don’t see. We don’t see European countries lining up behind unilateral, no conditions, debt relief. We don’t see them lining up to provide Africa with drugs to combat AIDS.
Further afield, we find French complicity in the kidnapping of Haiti’s Aristide, and the global French multinational led assault on public water supplies worldwide, noteable for the large riots it caused in Bolivia, leading to the overthrow of the government.
And yet the myth of European Benevolence is so strong that American born and raised activist, Susan George of the important group ATTAC, who has lived in Europe for decades, in her generally excellent book, “Another world is possible if…”, devotes an entire chapter to ‘How the world can be saved if we all acted like Europeans!”
Anyway, the point wasn’t to go off on Europeans. The point was to demonstrate how unspoken beliefs color all media coverage, even progressive, leading to people’s inability to see and confront unpleasant truths. These beliefs serve as ‘comfort blankets’ that one can employ in the absence of rational thought. The general public, who is usually too busy, harrassed, or simply uniniterested in the news, can hold onto these blankets as a surrogate for facts and thought. Then when called on for their opinion by polls used to manufacture consent for elite policies, the sheeple can be assured of trotting out the ‘right’ opinion, even when they have no idea where Afghanistan is on a map, have never met a moslem, and don’t know that Iran isn’t full of dirty Arabs.
If the ‘Myth of the Fragility of the Free World’ wasn’t so strong, and oft repeated (“They hate our freedoms”, sounds dumb to us, but it has this exact purpose.), it would not be so easy to whip people into a rabid lather over ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’, which itself, is a deliberately misleading, fear-inducing, misunderstood, construct.
So, the point I guess I ultimately want to make, is that we first have to expose and combat these meta-dialogues between power and subject, these pernicious unspoken beliefs and prejudices, and uproot them from the subject’s mind before we can even hope to proceed to the next step: basic critical thinking skills. Then, after all that, maybe the sheeple will notice that we are not exactly preventing civil war.
But even there, we have the media to combat. There have been other weeks with just as many deaths as this past week, that have been swept off the radar, never mentioned, by the media, because it went against elite intention, which at the time was to portray an Iraq ‘making steady progress.’ Now that the elite have changed tack, we are literally bombarded with evidence of Iraqi religious strife. But that’s a topic for another rant, one entitled, “Understanding the News Cycle.”

Posted by: Malooga | Mar 1 2006 3:33 utc | 47

@Noisette:
Of course, opinion is shaped in many ways, on many different fronts, for many different constituencies.
Blogs and boards are indeed read and cribbed by the pundits. But they represent a very small percentage of the overall population. And most blogs are reactive. By that I mean they react to the news cycle and comment on what the corporate media is pushing that day. They don’t invent the memes, though they do act to vet them and refine them.
But, in my analysis I am following Chomsky’s belief that elite opinion–the readers of the NYTimes, WashPost, and WallStJournal, in the US, for example–mold and shape the greater mass of public opinion. Generally, ideas work their way down from the PNAC documents, Foreign Affairs Journal, and the like, to op-eds, to hidden editorializing in news stories, to Faux news, and finally to popular culture. This process can take years. But then again, exceptions to this argument can be found, where memes worked the other way.
In a later post, I hope to add some meat to that argument.

Posted by: Malooga | Mar 1 2006 3:57 utc | 48

malooga- not to take anything away from the thrust of your post, but in the interest of precision – it was sf-based bechtel in bolvia & it’s bill blum
the latest numbers from the DRC are mind-boggling –
As many as 38,000 people continue to die every month as a result of the ongoing conflict in the central African country
On Monday [feb 20], the UN humanitarian chief Jan Egeland said the after-effects of the five-year conflict were responsible for the deaths of some 1,200 people every day
these deaths are invisible in this nation. the scale is nearly incomprehensible. where’s the outrage?
i think white people are so afraid of the world they created that they don’t want to see, feel, smell or hear it – john lame deer

Posted by: b real | Mar 1 2006 4:15 utc | 49

Logic is no longer required in public discourse
i agree, in fact, i think it’s discouraged. marketings attempt is to subvert logic and play on ones emotions as an alternative to thought. (covered in the corporation movie i just linked to in another thread) meanwhile the glaring contradictions (war on drugs except for all the wonderful new ones that guarantee an altered state, for life!) go unnoticed. and they’re supposed to! because you’re not supposed to really listen, just absorb and react.
lately, as noisette pointed out the other day, when i socialize there seems to be almost a taboo at facing reality. last night my friend, who had just returned from algeria on a business trip, was showing me photos. the hotel, the bellydancers. i was very curious about the country, evidence of civil unrest. indicators from the past. her trip was very sheltered. chauffered around in the car. but , you know she was tired, and really didn’t want to talk about any politics. i completely stayed away from any discussion of all the things that have been on my mind. for the most part w/almost everyone i know. because when i do talk about it it’s like i am in another world from them. or they kind of know in the back of their minds, but they don’t want to ‘go there’. my friend works in a form of marketing, one of the myth makers.
about 20 years ago i was driving thru LA and it hit me, everything that i saw was there w/the intention of selling me something. every square inch of my vision for miles and miles.
what is going to happen when people wake up and realize commerce isn’t god?

Posted by: annie | Mar 1 2006 4:31 utc | 50

Thanks, b real. I could have sworn it was Vivendi. My bad. Mixed up my Blums; Ben Blum is my best friend’s dad, not a noted political activist.

Posted by: Malooga | Mar 1 2006 4:33 utc | 51

malooga- fewer words? Learn mandarin chinese
chinese for FISH is yue
chinese for MEAT is row
chinese for WATER is shooay
chinese for BREAD is mee-enbow
chinese for RICE is mee
chinese for TEA is cha
chinese for DUCK is yaa
you want yue-row-shooay-mee-en-bow-mee-cha-yaa?
our US defense deficit is the largest black hole in the history of the world. the pentagon is the largest oil waster in the history of the world.
all of which cuts into, and comes right out of, your/our yue-row-shooay-mee-en-bow-mee-cha-yaa.
the indo-chinese are wrapping up all of the rest.
kung hei fay choy, laissez les bon temps roulez!

Posted by: Larry Ellison | Mar 1 2006 6:47 utc | 52