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February 15, 2006
OT 06-15
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Lincoln Group:
325,000 Names on Terrorism List
In case you missed it w/ all the Cheney drama
National security whistle-blowers allege retaliation Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 15 2006 8:21 utc | 4 As far as the recent Abu Ghraib pictures, and as godawful, dehumanizing, as the new pics are; Most of them are obviously from the same set that was originally released. They are thought to be among those viewed in private by U.S. senators following a May, 2004 hearing and “withheld from the public to protect the integrity of military trials and what not, however, -at least to me- they are not any worse than the previously released pictures. I suspect and question the timing; were they released at this time for distraction reasons? Not to make light of this sick event. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 15 2006 8:37 utc | 5 This broke me tonight… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 15 2006 9:15 utc | 6 @Uncle$cam Posted by: DM | Feb 15 2006 10:32 utc | 7 Well well, just as I wrote about here
That Brian Ross and Rhonda Schwartz are some damn fine investigative journalists…lol geez. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 16 2006 0:14 utc | 8 About those Permanent bases in Iraq …
So now we know … there are no plans to build permanent bases in Iraq, and as the Iraqi Army stands up (“40,000 man, lightly armed military without significant armor or an air force”) we will stand down. Or not. Posted by: jonku | Feb 16 2006 0:48 utc | 9 @Jonku I think we can be confident that some ‘contributor’ has taken the leader of the Pentagon beach aquisitions team out for a round of golf or two by now. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 16 2006 1:26 utc | 10 I’m currently forcing myself to study the latest horror slide show from Iraq’s Abu Ghraib theme park. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 16 2006 1:39 utc | 11 There has been widespread speculation that Kerkorian, who has a long history of corporate takeover attempts, plans to take advantage of GM’s falling share values to buy a controlling interest in the automaker at a fire-sale price. Analysts say he could then sell off the company’s most profitable assets, such as the GMAC financing arm, and push the car company—along with its pension and healthcare obligations—into bankruptcy, allowing him to walk away with billions. Australian police seize artwork from gallery From Denmark’s paper of record correspondent: @above: None dare call it economic treason. Posted by: DM | Feb 16 2006 8:12 utc | 17 @DM If amerika is racing to the bottom it’s not gonna be before that country’s ‘leadership’ kicks the nearest scapegoat in the nuts on the way down. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 16 2006 9:45 utc | 18 Gonzales Withholding Plame Emails Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 16 2006 9:55 utc | 19 Something occured to me today which is so off the wall it is probably correct. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 16 2006 9:58 utc | 20 “Frederick the Great once observed that diplomacy without arms was like music without instruments. We must keep all options open if we are to stand any chance of a diplomatic solution to the Iranian crisis.” Posted by: DM | Feb 16 2006 10:43 utc | 21 Damn, Did , I thought everyone knew that this is the standard operating procedure (SOP)(e.g. permanent siege mentality) of these trans-national thugs in their theatre of cruelty… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 16 2006 10:55 utc | 22 In case anyone is disposed to counter that Frederick the Great was known as a tactical genius or whatever, this is hardly the point. Posted by: DM | Feb 16 2006 11:02 utc | 23 I ran across the following (some nice word candy) in my travels on the internets tonight, and thought to share…
I’ll have a scotch while waiting… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 16 2006 11:40 utc | 24 No Love Lost at the Enron Trial Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 16 2006 13:43 utc | 25 Thanks Uncle $cam. For some reason I was reminded of this:
Posted by: beq | Feb 16 2006 14:12 utc | 26 p.s. Scotch doesn’t blow my dress up but if it wasn’t mid-morning I’d join you with a sour mash. 😉 Posted by: beq | Feb 16 2006 14:14 utc | 27 @debs: Mr Putin steps into the fray over the democratic election of Hamas (this is the Chinese take from the People’s Daily Online). Posted by: Dismal Science | Feb 16 2006 18:20 utc | 29 Salon exclusive: The Abu Ghraib files
Posted by: beq | Feb 16 2006 19:50 utc | 30 Posted by: DM | Feb 16 2006 23:44 utc | 32 “The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard.” Posted by: DM | Feb 16 2006 23:51 utc | 33 Posted by: DM | Feb 16 2006 23:58 utc | 34 the headline’s not exactly breaking news, but…
it’s not journalism, it’s business. and these days business is boomin’.
how much are they asking for? $75m “in extra funds, on top of $10m already allocated for later this year.”
Posted by: b real | Feb 17 2006 3:40 utc | 35 From the low volume of noise on this and other boards, I guess that BushCo has once again manipulated the domestic MSM to play down the call from the UN to close Guantanamo immediately and either free the inmates or give them a real trial with real lawyers.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 17 2006 7:51 utc | 36 GOSSIP … that’s all this is … Posted by: Noisette | Feb 17 2006 21:01 utc | 37 @Noisette If the increasing international opposition to ‘Gitmo” Hell I don’t like that shortening, lets call it what it is: “The US’s most notorious concentration and torture institution, believed to be outside the clutches of the increasingly irrelevant US constitution because it is located on land seized by force from a foreign nation.” (TUMNCATIBT BOTCOTIIUC BIILOLSB FFAFN or TUMNCATI for short) Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 17 2006 22:21 utc | 38 It’s time to talk about a situation which I’m sure many MoA habitues will have noticed.
Even worse the ballot fixing was a clumsy and futile effort:
Although in typical BushCo Rovian fashion an excuse has been tucked away for a rainy day. I don’t believe it’s execution would be any more successful than any of the other cock-ups:
Once again BushCo have been stymied by their inability to understand that whilst all people are the same, cultural differences must be factored in to any attempt to ‘silver tongue’ societies outside the US. This is a field of endeavour where BushCo lack any competence whatsoever. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 17 2006 23:14 utc | 39 And they lack local competence because it takes heart and love to actually come to know others. More and more we are quitting them, they are breaking our hearts every day, and we are quitting them. So this generation of vipers is content not to win but instead to fail and thrash around destructively to profit from failure. And we are quitting them faster now. Posted by: citizen | Feb 17 2006 23:39 utc | 40 Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 18 2006 0:42 utc | 41 brian concannon jr on the nyt’s foreign policy agenda re the preval victory
Posted by: b real | Feb 18 2006 5:13 utc | 42
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 18 2006 6:56 utc | 43 interesting article by douglas valentine on a cia deep cover agent’s recounting of the cia-led raid on iraq’s osirak reactor in 1981 – The Raid On Iraq. Posted by: b real | Feb 18 2006 18:32 utc | 44 A Half-Dozen Questions About 9/11 They Don’t Want You to Ask I guess this is what they mean “democracy with a small ‘d'” Posted by: tgs | Feb 19 2006 0:12 utc | 46 panopticon watch update
and you probably heard about chief po-po in houston, tx
Posted by: b real | Feb 19 2006 3:12 utc | 47 somebody needs to keep don rumsfeld away from the horse. that’s only supposed to be for the recruits… Posted by: b real | Feb 19 2006 3:25 utc | 48 “My family and I are deeply sorry for everything Vice President Cheney and his family have had to deal with,” Harry Whittington said Posted by: citizen | Feb 19 2006 5:02 utc | 49 big brother is coming. Who is watching all this video with the latest budget cuts. can I have a job? What’s it gonna protect, nothing. good reason for us to leave the cities and move back to small towns. On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:34:02 +0000, Österreichische Lotterien The Washington Posts resident cynic, Dana Milbank, has a good OpEd piece on the Democrats:
The Mess by Peter Galbraith Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 19 2006 11:08 utc | 53 Higher in the thread, others question the lack of attention to the UN report and Guantanamo. Inexplicable.
Clearly the detainees know it’s a cruel, absurd circus. Posted by: small coke | Feb 19 2006 11:56 utc | 54 W/regards to b real’s post above, on the panopticon, I’m reminded of a quote I used for an anthro research paper: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 19 2006 12:33 utc | 55 @small coke Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 19 2006 14:12 utc | 56 @small coke Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Feb 19 2006 19:18 utc | 57 uncle & small coke- Posted by: b real | Feb 19 2006 19:23 utc | 58 Malooga, Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Feb 19 2006 19:40 utc | 59 b real, yeah lab rats is about right. new orleans is another lab, hell we are all the lab rats. Posted by: annie | Feb 19 2006 20:30 utc | 60 Uncle, small coke, and b real are correct to question the thinking behind the establishment of Gitmo and it is true an administration as unmitigatedly evil as this one is may indeed be capable of using such an establishment as a launching pad for ‘Manchurian Candidates’. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 19 2006 22:45 utc | 61 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change“>loose change version 2 has probably been posted here before, but if anyone hasn’t seen it, i recommend. Posted by: annie | Feb 19 2006 23:38 utc | 62 flashback — july 2005 : The Gitmo Experiment: How Methods Developed by the U.S. Military For Withstanding Torture are Being Used Against Detainees at Guantanamo Bay
the history of the united states possession of guantanamo bay here makes a few mentions of its selection as the base for a variety of experiments, primarily b/c of its uniqueness & proximity to the mainline. didn’t they also do some aids experimentation on haitian detainees/refugees prior to the blood for oil experiment? Posted by: b real | Feb 20 2006 2:23 utc | 64 37 million poor hidden in the land of plenty
I suspect it’s more than that. Ever since Alexis de Tocqueville, foreign observers have consistently noted that the United States is one of the most religious countries on the face of the planet. Bill Bennett’s America sickens me.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 20 2006 4:58 utc | 65 HEADS UP KIDS, another PSA, BROUGHT TO YOU BY Uncle:
attydave writes, “This should obviously be a hard-hitting and substantive forum on the illegal and unconstitutional NSA spying program and a powerful push-back at BushCo’s pack of lies in attempting to justify it.” Posted by: PSA from Uncle $cam | Feb 20 2006 8:07 utc | 66 FRANCIS FUKUYAMA: After Neoconservatism
Jimmy Carter: Don’t Punish the Palestinians
Israel’s policies are feeding the cancer of anti-semitismI say all this despairing of the Israel I love. Its people are my people. The Palestinians are my neighbours. I wish they had stronger and better leaders. I wish their despairing young people had not been driven to violence. Just as I understand Jewish fears, I understand their despair. Only an Israel that understands that too can change it. And there are Jews in Israel and in the diaspora who know it. Most of them, out of a fear of being thought disloyal, are afraid to say what they know to be true. The state of Israel has become a cruel occupying power. Occupations, when they are resisted, are never benevolent. They morally corrupt the occupier. The brave body of Israeli conscientious objectors are the true inheritors of the prophets of Israel. They are the true patriots. What nation has ever loved its prophets? Where did the Americans learn their humiliation tactics ?
What was that de Goya quote? Oh yeah, “from the sleep of reason…” Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 20 2006 10:30 utc | 70 Addendum, a commenter over at Rigorous Intuition, which never fails to creep me out wrote,
It strikes me a amusing, that we had the same or maybe, paralax ideals. And I believe his post was prior to Alfred McCoys recent revolations.. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 20 2006 10:55 utc | 71 short interview w/ michael parenti on his latest book, the culture struggle Posted by: b real | Feb 20 2006 16:23 utc | 72 the nra conference on c span right now is good, the guy talking now is saying there is no war on terror we are just occupying iraq.” lost respect for rule of law”, applause… Posted by: annie | Feb 20 2006 17:35 utc | 73 Lego is a danish company, but I bet it is made in China. Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Feb 20 2006 22:16 utc | 77 @skod Posted by: b real | Feb 20 2006 23:19 utc | 78 Ok, Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Feb 20 2006 23:59 utc | 79 I remember castles and knights. “We are red, we are white, we are Danish dynamite.” Posted by: beq | Feb 21 2006 0:17 utc | 80 Legos started changing in the late 1980s-early 1990s, and for a simple reason: there are only so many boxes of otherwise identical bricks that you can convince people to buy. And since Lego bricks are made of plastic, they don’t go bad. So in order to boost sales, they started coming out with sets containing specialized pieces. There were Castle Legos, and Town Legos, and Space Legos, then Technic Legos (with little snap-on gears), and so on. Each set generally had some single piece which only came with that set. But eventually, they ran out of ideas even for those categories, and started reworking things. (So, for example, “Space” Legos became “Blacktron” — with mostly the same pieces, but in different colors.) Most recently, they’ve been doing movie tie-ins. And, of course, these charming little toys for Hitler Youth. I wonder whether all this was to avoid bankruptcy (which would be understandable, though not necessarily forgivable) or merely to make more money than they otherwise would. Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Feb 21 2006 1:27 utc | 81 |
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