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February 9, 2006
OT 06-14
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Two things you don´t want to know about how they are made: Sausages and laws
Nice rant:
Above any law and oversight:
I) Sausages taste better. Rolling Stone: God’s Senator – Who would Jesus vote for? Meet Sam Brownback If Dr. Jones’s work ever breaks into the mainstream media, and the rest of the country reacts the way the Utah County audience reacted, traditional political divisions will evaporate like steel beams exploded with thermite, and the whole lot of them, the Democrats and the Republicans, will be swept away, along with the military-industrial complex that has apparently managed to subvert the constitution of these United States and to con the American public, mesmerized by the shock of 9/11 and hypnotized by spell-binding incantations of freedom and patriotism, into going along with their mad plans for world domination. Posted by: DM | Feb 10 2006 2:22 utc | 7 @DM: I know it’s a really minor, silly quibble, but why, oh why, did they keep the “u” of “Muslim” but not the “e” of “Jewish” for their abbreviation? “Mujeca” is pronouncable to my lumpen middle-American tongue, “Mujca” isn’t. 😉 Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Feb 10 2006 3:26 utc | 8 @TTGVWYCI Posted by: DM | Feb 10 2006 4:00 utc | 9 [begin sarcasm] Posted by: Monolycus | Feb 10 2006 5:05 utc | 10 Nice one, DM. Not only is Cole’s story pretty accurate, it is illustrated with very funny photos of the perps! And other players … Posted by: jonku | Feb 10 2006 9:26 utc | 12 While the White House toots its own horn all over the headlines about the (manufactured) story of how they heroically foiled a Los Angeles terrorist plot (that would have paralysed that fair city and brought America to its knees by… um… knocking over a downtown building, apparently), less favourable revelations about the “heckuva job” they are doing seem to be drowned out. Posted by: Monolycus | Feb 10 2006 10:00 utc | 13 Air Force Watch:
The article posted by DM (Jones on the WTC demolition) makes two points – neither of them new – :: Posted by: Noisette | Feb 10 2006 16:30 utc | 15 i just heard brownie on c span live claim there was a brain drain@ fema because everybody was just growing old and moving on to the private sector to make more money!! what a bunch of hogwash Posted by: annie | Feb 10 2006 16:48 utc | 16 My own thoughts on the collapse of the towers is that it actually would have been the right thing to do in that situation. Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 10 2006 17:10 utc | 17 one of my best friends who has always been a progressive political person, when approach re the issue of 9/11 will not even entertain any alternate theory. she thinks it’s too far fetched. Posted by: annie | Feb 10 2006 17:16 utc | 18
Via Today in Iraq I’ve been a confirmed MIHOP’er for a long time, but I hate to pour water on the party. That’s about it Malooga and that’s the good news. If at any time those who are convinced that the whole of 9/11 was an inside job (which in itself is debatable), fail to convince the population to the point where it becomes a common, accepted truth, everything else they say will be discredited too. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 10 2006 20:06 utc | 22 In case you missed it .. this is funny Posted by: DM | Feb 10 2006 21:17 utc | 24 maybe part of the context of goss’ policies/concerns should be expanded to include an accounting of the ever growing chatter surrounding the overall 911 truth movement. this is, after all, the so-called age of information & information wants to be free. so they say. Posted by: b real | Feb 10 2006 21:30 utc | 25 Okay, weighing in on the 9/11 discussion. I have spent considerable effort reading the various sites and looking at pictures, documentation and theories. None really make complete sense, and some point out that there are likely disinformation sites with wilder theories to discredit the more reliable ones. Posted by: jonku | Feb 10 2006 21:59 utc | 26 Oops. I meant to say, Posted by: jonku | Feb 10 2006 22:04 utc | 27 I think I agree with Malooga here, but the historical precedent isn’t the 60’s assassinations, it’s Pearl Harbor. It seems to be relatively accepted that FDR knew about the impending Japanese attack and yet it still occurred, killing Americans. This has not dented the Americanist party whatsoever – even those who believe this ‘conspiracy theory’ say “Well, war was inevitable, and it got America to use its military to defeat evil.” Posted by: Rowan | Feb 10 2006 22:06 utc | 28 Yes, Debs: @Pearl Harbor- DoS does raise an interesting point. That would actually be good disaster planning given the ’93 attempt. Posted by: gmac | Feb 11 2006 0:37 utc | 33 @Pearl Harbor cont. Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 11 2006 1:01 utc | 34 from comments at Left Coaster
Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 11 2006 1:50 utc | 35 Okay, now I feel an irresistable need to go get some pancakes! Posted by: jonku | Feb 11 2006 2:30 utc | 37 There is also the story of the Israeli art students, which refuses to die. Some believe that they somehow facilitated the event, perhaps by planning the whole thing. I term this the HIP HOP theory (help in planning, happened on purpose) of 9-11. On a more serious note, and in the vein of my previous Iran link, there is this: The Grand Chess Game, scroll down if you need to, and below that an article from Voltaire Network by Thierry Meyssan. I like Voltaire because they often review articles from the whole gamut of political views and include synopses of each. The western articles stick out as the most highly propagandized, inaccurate, and filled with lies, as well as most likely to conflate the ruling class with the national interests. Malooga, it reads to me more like the financial articles I used to read in the 1980’s — the market was going like crazy and someone had to write about it. Posted by: jonku | Feb 11 2006 8:51 utc | 40 @ Malooga Posted by: Debs is dead | Feb 11 2006 9:18 utc | 41 I don’t want to derail this board or thread with 9/11 facts and/or argument about them. Nevertheless, anyone interested in the buildings, or Dan’s theory, should look at these two pictures of WTC 6. Posted by: Noisette | Feb 11 2006 9:41 utc | 42 I’m very fond of pancakes myself. But it won’t do you know. Posted by: Noisette | Feb 11 2006 9:48 utc | 43 it’s not irrational noisette. Posted by: annie | Feb 11 2006 10:21 utc | 44 “In an exclusive Killtown interview, Ground Zero EMT Patricia Ondrovic talks about her harrowing day at the WTC on 9/11. Within minutes after the South Tower collapses, she witnessed the WTC 5 blowing up, cars exploding, and explosions inside the lobby of the WTC 6, all the while narrowly escaping with her own life. Patricia can be reached at…” Posted by: Noisette | Feb 11 2006 13:10 utc | 46 mallooga Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 11 2006 15:00 utc | 47 Late to the party, however I’m curious as to how many moa’s watch the movie I posted w/regards 911 here. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 11 2006 15:18 utc | 48
They laugh at us… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 11 2006 18:31 utc | 50 re HR 4694
to quote ole’ h.w. bush from the 1992 earth summit, “the american [economic] way of life is not negotiable” Posted by: b real | Feb 11 2006 18:52 utc | 51 Uncle $cam Posted by: slothrop | Feb 11 2006 19:17 utc | 52 uncle scam. i’ve gotten lost for hrs on the internet following assessments of 9/11. most of the info presented in the movie i was familiar with but not all. i don’t believe the official story. but i’m not inclined to just say everything in the movie i’m convinced of. perhaps there are a few inaccuracies. but in general, the questions presented are on the right path. imho. did i already mention i’m looking forward to going to the fall conference in utah? just to be in the presence of thousands of people who agree w/me. i’ll get to feel mainstream for a couple days Posted by: annie | Feb 11 2006 20:28 utc | 53 wow, it’s quiet around here. here’s my excuse. i have been working like a dog to get a show(ceramics) up. tho its over a month away ceramics can be challenging in the winter in seattle cuz even tho we have been having some beautiful days, really, nothing dries out easily. i’ve been working exclusively w/porcelian these last few years but missing the red clay started working in terracotta. its so sensual. Posted by: annie | Feb 12 2006 6:08 utc | 54 annie, I for one hope that your pieces fire well. Posted by: jonku | Feb 12 2006 11:36 utc | 55 jonku Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 12 2006 16:01 utc | 57 jonku, normally they are supposed to be ‘bone dry’ before you fire them. they are supposed to dry out naturally because if you push it, cook em before they are dry, you run the risk of them cracking in sensitive areas. the terracotta seems to hold on to the water like a sponge. Posted by: annie | Feb 12 2006 16:32 utc | 58 Uncle Scam, I don’t watch movies about 9/11. I know (I think!) all the facts and so on that kind of propaganda attempt refers to. I made an exception for Michael Moore as it was mainstream so it acquires significance. Posted by: Noisette | Feb 12 2006 16:48 utc | 59 So I don’t think anyone has a clue. The pilot passed out, the copilot is drunk and it’s the engineer’s first real flight. Posted by: Dismal Science | Feb 12 2006 17:20 utc | 60 not only pessimistic but a little frightened. as it happens i think both ritter & the fascist russian parliamentarian zhirinovsky are correct – we will see an attack in one form or another – on iran – next month Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 12 2006 18:05 utc | 62 Uncle $cam: Thirty years ago, Ceasar Chavez captured the imagination of the country and galvanized public opinion over the conditions of grape-pickers and marginalized agricultural workers. The 9-11 truth movement is more concerned with arguing the merits this explosion or that explosion, getting lost in who is right about each and every point in the morass of evidence, rather that uniting on a single activist path. Posted by: annie | Feb 12 2006 20:46 utc | 65 Bar Snack: Posted by: Monolycus | Feb 12 2006 22:11 utc | 66 in this pdf of face the nation dean calls cheney ‘the president” twice. saying he should step down if it’s true he told libby to leak the NIE report for political reasons. Posted by: annie | Feb 13 2006 2:06 utc | 67
Posted by: annie | Feb 13 2006 9:03 utc | 68 Belated birthday to Bertolt Brecht Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 13 2006 10:39 utc | 69 I’ve been doing a little browsing through the Wash Times, William Crystal and JINSA crowd. Posted by: DM | Feb 13 2006 12:09 utc | 70 american dream cut short for two feds
Posted by: b real | Feb 13 2006 15:41 utc | 71 US group implants electronic tags in workers
Posted by: annie | Feb 13 2006 17:04 utc | 72 Abramoff’s Evangelical Soldiers
Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 13 2006 20:00 utc | 73 Susie Madrak clues us in to the rob the chumps (taxpayers) joke behind “Little Green Footballs” Posted by: citizen | Feb 13 2006 21:23 utc | 74 from annie’s link Posted by: citizen | Feb 13 2006 21:29 utc | 75 citizen, Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 13 2006 21:33 utc | 76 DoS, Posted by: citizen | Feb 13 2006 22:07 utc | 77 little green footballs has been around since at least 1999, long before the cpa. Posted by: b real | Feb 13 2006 22:23 utc | 78 okay, I’ll partially withdraw. Posted by: citizen | Feb 13 2006 22:57 utc | 79 Bush Administration Spent Over $1.6 Billion on Advertising and Public Relations Contracts Since 2003
Posted by: b real | Feb 14 2006 3:30 utc | 80 OT/OT: Posted by: beq | Feb 14 2006 11:55 utc | 81 Quiet here. This is funny. Posted by: beq | Feb 14 2006 14:48 utc | 82 another funny, for our German friends… Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 14 2006 15:21 utc | 83 re syria, wow, that’s significant, i wonder how long before others follow suit Posted by: annie | Feb 15 2006 5:39 utc | 86 |
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