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January 19, 2006
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DoJ demands user search records from Google

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 19 2006 13:15 utc | 1

Assault on the Bill of Rights

Where are we now, in the Year of Our Lord 2006? We will not reiterate in detail the recent newspaper bulletins which reveal that the present administration is ransacking the personal effects of United States citizens ostensibly in order to fight the so-called Global War on Terrorism. [5] We will merely make a few observations.
First, not only is “the president’s program” (as the warrantless intercepts are called in the chaste corridors of the West Wing) an obvious example of lawbreaking, but so is the Patriot [sic] Act itself, which some observers profess to view as a legally authorized and legitimate vehicle for government intrusion into the lives of private citizens.
Section 215 of the Act addresses so-called National Security Letters, which involve a government search of libraries, credit agencies, health care providers, or any organization that keeps records on citizens. The organization served with such a letter is prohibited from speaking about it to anyone. This is the so-called “gag order,” much discussed in House and Senate proceedings but thus far hardly discussed in terms of its ramifications.
A plain reading of the gag order shows it to be a clear violation of the right in Amendment I of the United States Constitution to “petition the Government for a redress of Grievances,” which is commonly interpreted as the right to communicate with one’s Member of Congress or Senator. This fact has somehow escaped the Blackstones and Perry Masons who populate the law commentary bailiwicks of the newspaper and television.
Second, given the scope of “the president’s program,” we are entitled to wonder how recess appointment to the position of United Nations ambassador John Bolton was so keenly interested in signals intelligence, and why the White House was so adamant in refusing the Senate access to documentation in relation to this fact.
Equally puzzling is the fact that in the campaign season of 2004, the White House knew every detail of the CBS story about the incumbent president’s air national guard service and had a detailed refutation/cover story ready to be released as the story aired. Similarly surprising was how presidential advisor Karl Rove was able to develop a complex alibi to dodge a perjury indictment: almost as if he knew exactly what special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald knew.
Third, we are entitled to speculate (as U.S. citizens, are we not?) about the manifold increase in signals traffic that “the president’s program” has vacuumed into the ravening maw of Fort Meade. Is there anyone there to translate it, assuming that it concerns speakers of Arab dialects, Farsi, Pashtun, and other exotic tongues? Are the putative translators competent or even loyal, or are they engaged in off-line operations to assist international arms smuggling and other black arts, as former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds attempted to tell us before her voice was stilled by government ukase?
Fourth, when asked in December by the press about examples of terrorist plots foiled by his program, President Bush declined, citing classification. Can anyone remember the last time the administration failed to take credit for capturing an alleged al Qaeda “kingpin,” or neglected to hype even questionable cases like that of Jose Padilla? Perhaps “classified” means, in this context, that it does not bear scrutiny.
Fifth, we have been apprised that “the president’s program” is an extremely sensitive program. So sensitive that not even members of the Congressional intelligence committees, let alone the public at large, are permitted to know everything about its operations. In that case, which foreign powers are allowed to share in its routine “take?”
Court historian Bob Woodward [6] has related how then-Deputy CIA director Bobby Inman, in the early 1980s, prevented the government of Israel from receiving the most sensitive aspects of American intelligence intercepts. His suspicions were well founded, given the Pollard affair. [7] Given the fact that Israel is not, under the present dispensation, a country to be denied anything, what facts about U.S. citizens that are swept up in the intercepts might they be privy to?

Posted by: b | Jan 19 2006 13:21 utc | 2

@uncle – The DOJ argues that the information it has requested, which includes one million random Web addresses and records of all Google searches from a one-week period, is essential to its upcoming defense of the constitutionality of the Child Online Protection Act.
The really have gone nuts now …

Posted by: b | Jan 19 2006 13:23 utc | 3

The military industrial complex wins.
The U.S. Army can hardly get enough people:

From June to September, the Army will try to recruit 8,600 to 10,400 soldiers a month.
To help reach those goals, a new law will allow the Army to give larger financial bonuses for enlistments and re-enlistments, doubling the maximum payment to $40,000 for new active-duty recruits and to $20,000 for reservists. It will also raise the top age for recruits to 42 from 35. And the top re-enlistment bonus for active-duty soldiers will increase to $90,000 from $60,000.

And at the same time were lots of money is wasten on weapon programs that without justification, the Army cuts back on personel.

The Army announced yesterday that it will cut six National Guard combat brigades — or up to 24,000 infantry and other combat troops — as part of an effort to ease budgetary pressures and shift manpower into homeland defense missions.
In addition to scaling back the guard’s combat brigades to 28 from 34, the active-duty Army will add one fewer combat brigade than it had planned, ending up with 42 instead of 43, Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey told a Pentagon news briefing yesterday.

I am all for reducing the U.S. Army but what screams out here is the hypocrisy of spending more money on useless weapons while having no feet on the ground.
At the same time these people argue they are for a strong military. I wonder how long it will take for a backslash from some conservative voters and the military itself.

Posted by: b | Jan 19 2006 13:37 utc | 4

Debs is Dead,
A few months ago you made an interesting post about the treaty between the British Crown and the Maori. You said the two texts were different. Could you post a link? Preferably one which details the differences between the two.
Many thanks

Posted by: John | Jan 19 2006 13:37 utc | 5

Essentially this is a big pharma takeover of all US Foreign Aid. You are in need of help, we could give you money, but first you sign here to never use generica in your country again and here to …
Rice to Group Foreign Aid in One Office in State Dept.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 18 – In a shake-up of the foreign aid bureaucracy, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice plans to set up an office under her direct supervision to oversee agencies and bureaus that dispense $19 billion each year, State Department officials said Wednesday.
Randall L. Tobias, a former pharmaceutical executive and Republican campaign donor who heads the administration’s anti-AIDS assistance program for poor countries, is expected to be named Thursday as the new administrator of the Agency for International Development and director of the new coordination office.
A.I.D. has been an independent agency since it was founded in 1961, but Ms. Rice has made little secret of her frustration over what she has said is a lack of accountability. In addition, foreign aid has been parceled out to numerous other offices that do not coordinate with A.I.D., officials say.

Posted by: b | Jan 19 2006 14:01 utc | 6

Chirac is nuts too:
France ‘would use nuclear arms’

French President Jacques Chirac has said France would be ready to use nuclear weapons against any state which launched a terrorist attack against it.
Speaking at a nuclear submarine base in north-western France, Mr Chirac said a French response “could be conventional. It could also be of another nature.”
He said France’s nuclear forces had been configured for such an event.

I wonder against whom this threat is intended.

Posted by: b | Jan 19 2006 14:30 utc | 7

The US, of course.
What a cogent chilling post, b.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 19 2006 15:13 utc | 8

What’s the point of having nuclear weapons if you don’t intend to use them?

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 19 2006 15:34 utc | 9

The US, of course.
What a cogent chilling post, b. I advise everyone to follow the link and read the whole thing. It is worth it. God, if I could only write like that.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 19 2006 15:39 utc | 10

The Google records article is chiling because this time they are pitching so that anyone who supports Google can be branded as being soft on child molestation.
We must be protected from ourselves, one way or the other

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 19 2006 15:46 utc | 11

Yes, definitely follow b’s link.
truth will out

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 19 2006 16:07 utc | 12

SOTU already? Cue bin Laden.

Posted by: beq | Jan 19 2006 16:29 utc | 13

amy spends the hour today on democracy now interviewing ex-british ambassador to uzbekistan craig murray on those classified memos & fleshing out his experience wrt the human rights attrocities in uzbek & the u.s. support for it. partial transcript @ link.

Posted by: b real | Jan 19 2006 17:51 utc | 14

ABC News: The Note

Democrats have chosen Tim Kaine, Virginia’s newly-elected governor, to deliver the party’s State of the Union response.
Roll Call’s Erin Billings reports that Kaine is expected to deliver the response from Richmond, VA and that party leaders Reid, Pelosi, and Richardson are expected to extend the offer to him today

Kaine is a homeboy but I wish it was going to be Jack Murtha.

Posted by: beq | Jan 19 2006 17:53 utc | 15

Now, Richmond Virginia is the old capitol of the Rebels, the Confederacy.
Message?
To whom?

Posted by: citizen | Jan 19 2006 18:04 utc | 16

Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy, but Kaine is a Democrat, a northern immigrant who responded to Republican claims that he was soft on crime by stressing that his opposition to the death penalty arose from his Catholic faith. The message having Kaine deliver the rebuttal sends is that the Democrats have not only not given up on the South, but that they are on the attack. On the one hand, Kaine really won because of Northern Virginia, which is not all that southern, but on the other, he did convincingly carry a state that has been consistently red in Presidential elections, after being subjected to a classic Republican smear campaign. He also came into office after being lieutenant-governor under Mark Warner in an administration that restored Virginia’s fiscal integrity after two Republican governors (including the current Senator and erstwhile Presidential candidate, George Allen) had done their best to destroy it. To top it all off, Kaine was the first Virgnia governor to be inaugerated in Williamsburg instead of Richmond since Thomas Jefferson, a name that still carries good recognition in the US. I have met and talked with Tim Kaine at a neighbor’s house, and he is absolutely not one to pander to racism or anything else. I’m pleased the Democrats chose him; it will send a powerful message to the rest of the country about what happened in Virginia.
What happened in Virginia, incidentally, should scare hell out of the Republicans. The two richest towns in the state are McLean and Great Falls, both traditional Republican strongholds. Great Falls, which is prototypical McMansions with horses, voted for Kaine by 55%, and McLean, where Cheney used to live and Powell still does, went for Kaine by over 60%. If these people (I guess I should say we, since I live there) are turning Democratic, the Republicans have got to worry.

Posted by: Aigin | Jan 19 2006 18:32 utc | 17

I appreciate your p.o.v. Aigin. It all makes good sense. I was born in D.C. though I grew up in Arlington. I’m trying to make Richmond more like there. It’s getting better.

Posted by: beq | Jan 19 2006 19:15 utc | 18

…and don’t forget w’s 11th hour “helping hand” for the other guy that amounted to nothing.

Posted by: beq | Jan 19 2006 19:22 utc | 19

Aigin, thanks for the further information.
I’ve recently read Eric Foner’s history of Reconstruction, and am struck by how much that period has to say to us today about how the Republicans and Democrats reconcile their old differences repeatedly by finding new ways to agree that the massive power of the state organized during the Civil War should be used to entrench factory fortunes (in whatever form) and defeat labor.
Seems like the old wounds will have to get picked at publicly and loudly before this country ever finds a sensible way toward living as if we all share the air, and water, and justice that makes life possible.
So when I hear Richmond, I think: could go either way.
And I’m glad to hear what you have to say. But I still don’t hear signs that the Democrats don’t need to follow the Whigs into deserved oblivion. I’d be happy if Kaine showed me wrong by starting something in Richmond – because we are are going to have to walk backwards through the trauma before we ever recover from Dred Scott, currently plaguing us as Bush v. Gore, a case decided by citing (wtf?) private ownership interest as a reason to award a presidential election?
There is no state in the union in which we are not owned, at least as citizens, by Bush. That’s our Dred Scott decision. Slavery undead.
And we may never be cured till the South cures us. So Richmond interests me.

Posted by: citizen | Jan 19 2006 19:53 utc | 20

.. just in case there is anyone left standing at MoA with cognitive dissonance. Next time your gonna vote for the Democrats?

Posted by: DM | Jan 19 2006 21:46 utc | 21

beq- it’s a little too conveeenient, isn’t it? ..considering Bush’s poll numbers, and all the scandal shits hitting the fan. but maybe this one is for real. the guy said the attack that would soon be coming was not because they couldn’t do it (because of security measures.)
—but considering the knee jerk reaction to anything he says, you have to wonder…he attacks Bush by attacking Americans’ lack of support for Bush’s war.
A reasonable person would say…okay, truce. what do we have to lose from that? And if it’s not true, it’s not like we can’t continue the mess we’re in.
Let’s deal with the mess in our country right now, and call a truce in order to do so as effectively as possible. Let’s get American soldiers out of Iraq…the whole thing was and is a fiasco, and not one more person should have to die because of the neocon lies.
(I also wonder if the bombing in Pakistan might have something to do with this, but in that case, it would have to do with ppl in that region wanting Al Q to get out, I’d think…but I’m just guessing.)
here’s a transcript via TimesUK
Peter Bergen talks about the Iraq war also creating a new bin Laden.
After Sept. 11, 2001, a backlash against bin Laden developed among various jihad elements, which believed the attacks hurt their cause more than it helped them. “It’s a myth that all jihadist groups are united by their hatred of the United States and have a single perspective,” said Bergen. “The jihad groups hate each other more than they hate the Bush Administration.”
Speaking alongside Bergen was Steve Coll, author of the Pulitzer Prize winning “Ghost Wars; The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan and Bin Laden.” Coll said that “Bin Laden’s greatest gift as a leader is to control the public narrative. He has a sense of the ending of his own narrative and that ending is martyrdom.”
Consequently, both authors believe that a practical mechanism for dealing with bin Laden is simply not available. From Bergen’s point of view, bin Laden has two choices at this point, “He can disappear into the history books and never say anything again or he can remain in the game and risk the possibility of revealing himself.” At this point in the development and disintegration of al-Qaida, Bergen believes that bin Laden has carved out a role for himself as the elder statesmen, playing a role in the media battle.
Both Bergen and Coll said that while the threat of Osama bin Laden has decreased in the past few years, there are still lessons to learn from his leadership style. “The theater of competition is rapidly changing,” said Coll. At age 50, bin Laden is a product of the pre-digital age in which terrorists disseminated their message by broadcasting via radio or videotapes from a mountaintop.

I’m sure the right wing commentators are losing spittle from the sides of their mouths over this newest video, tho. But, sincerely, anyone who wants to stay in Iraq, imo, should immediately enlist and ask to be sent there..

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 19 2006 22:41 utc | 22

i think christian bailey , his “roommate” PAIGE CRAIG, the lincoln group , are a bunch of closeted (or not so closeted)
greedy, ambitious gays. how else did JEFF GANNON , another EX marine, homo hustler, and white house reporter,gain access to the top government officials. i suspect a similar link to pretty boy ralph reed, scanlon and abramoff. i also smell a little BLACKMAIL if some key people won’t go along.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

Posted by: philZ | Jan 19 2006 23:36 utc | 23

Christian Jozefowicz the ‘dapper’ , ‘nerdy’,’geeky’,enterprizing young brit, otherwise known as christian baily.
and for those of you who care to do a little brushup on those white house sleepovers…..

Posted by: annie | Jan 20 2006 0:16 utc | 24

Fisk is free at the Independent for this one ..
Well, as Fisk has met OBL, and is a ME expert, I suppose that puts paid to all the looney conspiracy theories that he died in 2001.

Posted by: DM | Jan 20 2006 1:06 utc | 25

I turned on CNN and found that William Blum, the author of Rogue Nation, was on Wolf B.’s program. Apparently Blum’s book is one with which OBL is familiar and recommended?
Wolf, who surely is not an idiot, asked Blum about his opinion of the 9-11 attacks– as though, b/c of a book Blum wrote long ago made him incapable of both recognizing problems in U.S. actions and mourning the deaths of ppl who died in the WTC attack.
Why stoop to such a low-level of questioning??? What a dumb ass question is that? Is it just a way to discredit Blum by insinuating any criticism of policy is not allowed in Bush Amerika.
I’ve been reading comments on blogs like MyDD and it’s incredible how the right wing conflates Bush with this country…as tho any criticism of him means you hate the U.S. Just imagine how they can’t make a distinction between criticism of foreign policy and hatred.
…and you know, I have to wonder, considering the new threats by OBL, why repukes still support Bush when he’s on record saying that OBL doesn’t matter. does he matter if there’s another terrorist attack? will any journalist ask Bush about his statement, considering this new threat?
the hypocrisy of ppl like Blitzer make my head do a 360 while I spew green pea soup…metaphorically, that is.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 20 2006 1:06 utc | 26

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Posted by: DM | Jan 20 2006 1:27 utc | 27

from DM’s Fisk link:
It’s a game. Bin Laden has no intention of calling an end to his own war and nor has George Bush and nor has Tony Blair. The Bin Laden offer, almost certainly, is intended to be rejected. He wants Bush and Blair to refuse it. Then, after the next attack, will come the next audio tape. See what happens when you reject our ceasefire?
yes, this makes absolute sense to me. bin Laden is goading Bush.
but this:
one of Bin Laden’s old themes: the idea that these wars will bankrupt the United States.
with:
…these are almost the same words Bin Laden used to me when we last met. “The Americans will be bankrupted,” he said, not realising that war primes the pumps of a superpower economy.
Isn’t bin Laden just parroting the tactic of the U.S. by drawing and keeping Russia in Afghanistan?
In fact, that’s what Reagan supporters have hooted about for decades, that he brought down the USSR by this war (and the Star Wars baloney.) Like this site deconstructs
bin Laden repeated this idea in his November, 2004 address to Americans that the repukes used to rally the vote for Bush.
But I ask Fisk: isn’t war a boon to an economy when the wealth is not concentrated in one percent of the population? The huge deficits are not going to be paid back by the tax cuts for the richest, and the middle class and lower classes are not seeing the benefits that Bush’s base has received.
How can a war be a boon to an economy when, at the same time, that economy does nothing to benefit the majority of the population?
…sort of like the USSR…

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 20 2006 1:28 utc | 28

..and upthread-
Malooga- what makes you think, from that article b linked, that Chirac is talking about the US?
Maybe. but it seems he’s responding more to the talk coming from Iran. He’s backing up the threat of the US against Iran, imo.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 20 2006 1:34 utc | 29

Which bin Laden is a member of the Carlyle Group with popsie?

Posted by: beq | Jan 20 2006 1:45 utc | 30

Excuse me if I sound like a broken record, but we must Filibuster Scalito. M. Miller is keeping us up to date on what we must do. Senate Inching Toward Filibuster

Posted by: jj | Jan 20 2006 4:12 utc | 31

Osama bin Laden suddenly issues a statement while Bush is trying to justify illegal wiretaps. Oh, yeah. He’s not spying on domestic opposition, he’s fighting evildoers. Oh yeah, that evildoer. I’m sorry, I forgot. Let’s all be afraid again and give the White House a blank cheque.
But wait a minute. When was the last time that Osama bin Laden issued a statement? Oh yeah… it was a few days before the 2004 election when Bush the Younger was running on a “protect you from the evildoers” platform. Oh, yeah. That evildoer. I’m sorry, I forgot. Let’s all be afraid again and give the White House four more years.
These manipulations have gone beyond formulaic; the village idiot should be able to see that bin Laden is trotted out every time the White House feels that they need some help keeping people on message. For as much as they spend on perception management, this is really starting to feel like amateur hour. Never mind the fact that neither Osama bin Laden nor any real terrorist announces an attack a priori (you call in afterwards to claim credit, you don’t call in ahead of time to get your plans foiled).
I’m willing to forget that bin Laden was on the payroll of Bush the Elder when the mujahideen in Afghanistan was fighting the Soviets, but toss me a bone here if you want me to honestly believe that he isn’t still on Bush-Walker payroll. I don’t know, maybe have him make a statement at a time when it actually worked counter to the interests of the House of Bush? Just a thought.
And speaking of formulaic… has anyone else here noticed a pattern about where to put fascist and antidemocratic riders in legislation? Google is being pumped for records (domestic spying) because of the new “won’t-someone-please-think-of-the-children” anti-pornography law which the White House tried and failed to get passed on its own merits once before. We discussed in another forum how they inserted the clause into the “protect-those-defenseless-women” that would make it illegal to annoy someone using a screen name (Bush the Younger also tried and failed to get that one through by itself after the GWBush.com satire in 1999). So what’s next? Privatising Social Security as a rider in the “help-the-fluffy-bunnies” bill?
I should be encouraged that at least these riders were killed (or at least severely wounded) as stand-alones. I should be encouraged that only the most brain-dead, partisan, mercury-and-beer addled, slack-jawed, third-grade dropouts are still running out to buy duct-tape whenever the DoD releases pictures of someone of Middle Eastern descent. I should be encouraged that little Scotty McLellan sweats droplets of blood as he is forced to spin faster than Rumplestiltskin in order to stay on message.
I should be, but I’m not. So what if their psyops are half-assed these days? They don’t have to sell us anything anymore and it’s merely a courtesy that they are even going to the trouble. After Diebold, voting the bastards outta office isn’t an option and they know it. I guess that’s what I miss the most… in the good old days of checks and balances, they at least put on a good puppet show for us. Now they’re just getting that sloppiness that comes from genuine job security.

Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 20 2006 4:33 utc | 32

TAKING THE OFF-RAMP
TOKYO (Reuters) – Emergency responders get quite a shock today.
Rescue personnel attempting to extract a young Yamada Prefecture
woman trapped and unconscious in her car were baffled how she had
managed to flip her new Nissan Sentry on a straight section of freeway.
That, and the disturbing buzzing they heard in the ambulance afterward.
Hospital spokespersons won’t reveal the woman’s name since she
is still underage, but said it appears that the odd buzzing sound was
coming from the woman’s cellular vibrator still lodged in her vagina.
Apparently the woman and her boyfriend were engaging in the sex fad
made popular by Fujitsu’s new BlueTooth-enabled FreeHandTM cellular
vibrator, allowing lovers to communicate verbally by wireless headset,
while at the same time stroking each other using various combinations
of spoken speech-to-command which control the vibrating unit’s motion.
In this instance, the young woman’s lover had apparently stuttered a
command, sending her embedded vibrator into cascading crescendo,
and causing her to lose consciousness when her car flipped over.
Chief of security for the Tokyo Freeway System, Kozimu Matsukawa,
said cellular vibrator incidents are being investigated for a possible
National Legislative amendment banning hands-free cellular use.

Posted by: Gary Coleman | Jan 20 2006 4:44 utc | 33

coming and going at the same time….

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 20 2006 5:48 utc | 34

Wait, didn’t Ledeen say OBL was dead? Be that as it may, on the assumption that the tape is authentic why would Osama release an audio tape rather than a video like he usually does?
Could not some high tech agency use his voice and reconstruct the message “they” want w/his
voice signature? Take a lot of .wav files of OBL blathering, then cut&paste snippets until you’ve got something that approximates what you want said. THEN record it onto crappy audiotape, copy that tape to another, then copy it once more.
Send to Al Jazeera, and “OBL LIVES! He ain’t dead, really! See, we’ve got an AUDIOTAPE of him! We can’t come up with a video because, because, uh, have you taken a LOOK at how expensive videotape is at the Peshwar WalMart? We’re POOR! All we can AFFORD are the used cassettes from Abu Ali’s Bait & Pawn when we go and buy our explosives!”
And so begins the great Bush/Cheney Reboot, this is just what they’ll need to get an excuse to invade Iran. I have no idea what chain of evidence they’ll use to link OBL to Iran but I’m sure they’ll make up something.
Let’s see: election year…check.
Lots of Republicans under investigation…check
Wiretapping scandal hasn’t just gone away…check.
Lets wait and see if he doesn’t keep popping up at just the right times between now and midterm elections. Got to go watch more 24!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 20 2006 6:02 utc | 35

@John
Two versions of the Treaty were sent out to be signed. One version written in English which few of the Maori chiefs were fluent in and the other version was written in Maori which maori understood far better but which few English understood at all.
The treaty was signed in 1840 over the protests of early settlers in particular the New Zealand Company. A good account of the treaty signing process which basically involved taking both translations of the document out to Maori around NZ and conducting hui which were extended talkfests which Maori would use to work together to solve inter -tribal issues is given by William Colenso here
this account gives background to the entire process.
The english always claimed they decided on the treaty process in order to protect the natives who were being dealt with by the rapacious NZ Company in a similar way that had been used on Australian Aborigines or Native Americans.
There may be some truth to that as the crown initially at least prevented some of the worst excess. The fact that the French were sniffing around with the assistance of a (Shock Horror) “Romish bishop”, M. Pompellier, would have been an equally important incentive.
Nowadays most New Zealanders hold to the view that the english resorted to the treaty process because despite the english superiority in arms and munitions, they couldnt beat maori in battle. There is truth to that as by the mid-nineteenth century the empire that the sun never set on was getting too large to manage.
There are also the many tales of Maori giving the english wounded water and treatment during battle and a couple of stories of Maori giving the english ammunition when the english had used theirs up.
Maori tribes fought between ech other and a code of conduct seems to have evolved, whereby the quality of a man’s actions in battle were important and could be more important than winning.
That sort of stuff can make invasion troops less than single minded in their pursuit of the enemy.
By 1841 the NZ company and it’s toadies were seeking to subvert the treaty.
Trail of Waitangi is a page of these and many other weblinks.
It is important to remember that even getting the treaty as accurate as possible in terms of the two languages won’t necessarily make it more linguistically correct as languages aren’t codes.
That is, just as no two words in the English language mean precisely the same thing, neither do two words, each from a different language.
This becomes more difficult when the cultures are so completely different.
Ownership of an object is likely to carry different meaning in a communal society such as Maoridom than it does in the european private ownership culture.
I guess that one of the reasons you asked for a link is that you have bumped into the same problem as I have discovered. The bulk of the recent debate about this occurred in the 1980’s following renewed interest in te Reo the Maori language which had for all intents died out by the mid-20th century.
As soon as Maori started to compared their translation of what their forefathers had signed with the english version acted on by the courts, the issue became the subject of intense debate.
However by the early 90’s when the net was taking off, the argument was over apart from a ‘backlash’ from the whitefellas who have posted some very subjective re-translations.
I suspect the best translations free from an axe to grind are in hard copy ie books, or if online will be contained on the University of Aucland, University of Wellington (Victoria), and University of Christchurh (Canterbury) history departments.
This Xtian site here appears to be relatively objective.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 20 2006 6:22 utc | 36

The origins of the Great War of 2007 – and how it could have been prevented
Also,
Flashback: The Bin Laden Tapes: Fact or Fiction But we actually have no reason whatsoever to believe that these tapes are authentic. While there have been reports of scientific voice analyses performed on them, these studies have been invariably done by CIA experts. In fact, on only one occasion was an independent analysis done. And while US officials were certain of that tape’s authenticity, Swedish scientists were equally convinced that it was a fake.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 20 2006 6:32 utc | 37

Uncle $cam
Swedish scientists were equally convinced that it was a fake.
The link properly identifies the scientists as Swiss.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 20 2006 7:24 utc | 38

Worrying about the authenticity of the tapes isn’t really addressing the issue imho.
This administration claims to want to be protecting ‘innocent amerikan citizens’.
It occurs to me therefore that getting the CIA to put a drone in the vicinity of detroit and launching a few missiles at the Ford design team as payback for the Explorer, or cluster bombing the smith and wesson factory should be a much better way of lowering preventable deaths.
I’m sure that last year more people would have died as a result of design flaws in motor vehicles or by gunshot when accidently shot by family, friend or neighbour.
If hurling missiles at people rumoured to be on the fringes of terrarism decreases the preventable deaths of citizens then surely either of the above actions would save many more amerikans?
That george bush must be a brave man. Do you think anyone has told him that by insisting he is Commander in Chief of the forces that killed so many women and children in Iraq, he will be a legitimate enemy target for any tribespeople of those civilians who have been tortured and or killed.
Not just while he’s prez. From now until they do succeed in killing him.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 20 2006 8:07 utc | 39

C-SPAN others to cover Congressman John Conyers hearing/briefing on Bush’s warrantless domestic spying program
The hearing will commence at 11 am ET, and will be broadcast live on C-SPAN, Radio Pacifica, and ABC Radio. It will also be covered by CNN, the New York Times, and many bloggers. This is particularly timely since the DOJ today issued a 42 page rant that again attempts to defend the indefensible – spying on Americans without court approval. For those in the DC area, you can see the hearing in person at B 339 Rayburn Bldg (1116 Longworth for overflow).

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 20 2006 8:20 utc | 40

coming and going at the same time
you crack me up

Posted by: annie | Jan 20 2006 10:09 utc | 41

i don’t believe the tape of osama is real. but it seems irrelevant.
what difference would it make? should i say all my good byes just in case? tell everyone how much i love them?

Posted by: annie | Jan 20 2006 10:19 utc | 42

“I’ve been reading comments on blogs like MyDD and it’s incredible how the right wing conflates Bush with this country…as tho any criticism of him means you hate the U.S. Just imagine how they can’t make a distinction between criticism of foreign policy and hatred.”
Up here in Canukistan, this is extended to hatred of the American people. You can see this too in many American individuals. Valid points are made backing valid criticisms levelled at their government, all in vain. For the simpering response will most certainly be “Why do you hate me?”

Posted by: gmac | Jan 20 2006 13:07 utc | 43

The Return of the Puppet Masters

Are brain parasites altering the personalities of three billion people? The question emerged a few years ago, and it shows no signs of going away.

Posted by: fwiw | Jan 20 2006 13:40 utc | 44

gmac,
Don’t forget that the way that the “War on Terror” often segues closely into the “Clash of Civilizations”, which is just a veiled way (no pun intended) of expressing anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bigotry.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 20 2006 13:53 utc | 45

Democrats wake up!
http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/2006/01/the_dems_are_bl.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 20 2006 14:16 utc | 46

RE: DoJ demands user search records from Google
9\11 being 40mo ago, isn’t it rather late in the game to start requesting information from Google? A red herring, perhaps?
http://www.google-watch.org/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 20 2006 16:43 utc | 47

Molly Ivins just went off:
LINK
Brilliant piece.

Posted by: Groucho | Jan 20 2006 16:48 utc | 48

fauxreal- thanks for the heads up on the blum appearance on cnn. btw, the book is rogue state: a guide to the world’s only superpower, which originally came out in 2000, but was updated last year. here’s the cnn transcript from the show (search on “blum”…it’s near the end & rather short…no idea if the transcript matches what was televised)
i’m having a hard time finding a full transcript of the alleged message from UBL where the book is cited (by title only apparently). the author should have mentioned blum’s earlier title, killing hope: u.s. military and cia interventions since WWII, which is a seminal text on the aggressive side of u.s. foreign policy.
finally, blum puts out a monthly “anti-empire report”, usually worth reading; the jan 9 issue is here.

Posted by: b real | Jan 20 2006 16:55 utc | 49

@ Groucho, b real. Thanks for the links.

Posted by: beq | Jan 20 2006 18:14 utc | 50

Uncle Scam’s post about Google being asked to give up or communicate some of its search records is interesting.
Nobody so far (afaik) has attempted to fix any boundaries or set a line between group data and individual data. (On purpose, of course.)
Group data is regularly used in all kinds of fields in many ways without anyone objecting. Indeed, modern medecine, transport systems, and many marketing campaigns (to mention just some examples) could not function without their use. For example, libraries in Switzerland regularly publish statistics about how many books they have lent, in what language, in what field, for what time, etc. To do it, they have to use a compendium of individual records. The individual borrowing is not accessible, though it is in fact – simply it is never made public. Libraries do this (or are asked / required to do so) to justify their existence. They compete: the more books they lend, the better they organise that, the more books they will be able to buy in the future. The more statistics they publish, even if trivial, the better they look. Everyone loves it.
No doubt Google will make lots of lawyerly moves as they would not like it to be known that half (?) of search terms are sex-related, and that a big part of the other half is trivial stuff like ‘Britny Speers’ – ‘hamburger delight’ – ‘world series’ – and so on. Now, is that their bizness, or should they be forced to give it up? I reckon law is on the side of Google.

Posted by: Noisette | Jan 20 2006 18:27 utc | 51

A concise synopsis of the economics of the American Empire and the threat of the Iranian oil bourse:
Abstract: the proposed Iranian Oil Bourse will accelerate the fall of the American Empire.

….from a purely economic point of view, should the Iranian Oil Bourse gain momentum, it will be eagerly embraced by major economic powers and will precipitate the demise of the dollar. The collapsing dollar will dramatically accelerate U.S. inflation and will pressure upward U.S. long-term interest rates. At this point, the Fed will find itself between Scylla and Charybdis-between deflation and hyperinflation-it will be forced fast either to take its “classical medicine” by deflating, whereby it raises interest rates, thus inducing a major economic depression, a collapse in real estate, and an implosion in bond, stock, and derivative markets, with a total financial collapse, or alternatively, to take the Weimar way out by inflating, whereby it pegs the long-bond yield, raises the Helicopters and drowns the financial system in liquidity, bailing out numerous LTCMs and hyperinflating the economy.
The Austrian theory of money, credit, and business cycles teaches us that there is no in-between Scylla and Charybdis. Sooner or later, the monetary system must swing one way or the other, forcing the Fed to make its choice. No doubt, Commander-in-Chief Ben Bernanke, a renowned scholar of the Great Depression and an adept Black Hawk pilot, will choose inflation…..The Maestro has taught him the panacea of every single financial problem-to inflate, come hell or high water. He has even taught the Japanese his own ingenious unconventional ways to battle the deflationary liquidity trap. Like his mentor, he has dreamed of battling a Kondratieff Winter. To avoid deflation, he will resort to the printing presses…..he will monetize everything in sight. His ultimate accomplishment will be the hyperinflationary destruction of the American currency….

Then there is the decision not to report the total money supply (M3) beginning in March. Is this coincidental to the talk of war in Iran in March? And why would they want to hide M3 from us?

“There is only one reason for the Fed to conceal important monetary component information,” The King Report says. It’s “to cover up the truth about what the Fed, central banks, and the really big money are doing.”
The Fed, central banks, and other groups are informally known as the “Plunge Protection Team.”
The reason the Fed will stop publishing weekly M3 totals, says financial analyst Robert McHugh Jr., is “so that the Plunge Protection Team can hide its market manipulative equity-buying activities.”
The PPT is poised to buy stocks and do it secretly, McHugh says, “to stop the higher-than-normal probability that the market could crash.”
McHugh surmised this in October, “because of the M3 numbers. We could see there was too much money being created. … M3 was being pumped at three times the rate of growth” of the Gross Domestic Product.
Unlike M2, M3 includes items that are the most obvious signs of PPT market-buying transactions, McHugh says. “If they no longer report this item, folks like us who monitor the growth of M3 for clues as to when the PPT is likely to buy the market will have a harder time reporting that fact. Investors will be left more in the dark as to any secret rigging of the stock market.”
A possible market crash is only one reason for secrecy, McHugh postulates. “Is the economy closer to the brink than anyone realizes? Or is it politically expedient to goose markets? Do the corporate elitists want the big payback for backing the powers that be and insist upon a rising market into year-end?” he asks. “Do they see a catastrophe coming that will require hyperinflation to bail the U.S. out? Maybe.”

Massive US debt, a declining dollar which would crash if the rest of the world is allowed to buy oil with Euros, an empire with only it’s MI complex and printing presses poised to defend it’s privileged position, major supporting cast members (Britain and Israel) whose own fates are largely tied to that empire…are things coming to a head?

Posted by: lonesomeG | Jan 20 2006 18:27 utc | 52

US Defense budget
Some $669,800,000,000.00 – give or take…

Posted by: b | Jan 20 2006 18:38 utc | 53

thanks for the links lonesomeG

Posted by: annie | Jan 20 2006 18:54 utc | 54

b, does that include black budget projects?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 20 2006 18:59 utc | 55

@Uncle – some of them, there is a bit fo explanation at the link.

Pentagon Analyst Gets 12 Years for Disclosing Secret Data

WASHINGTON, Jan. 20 – A federal judge sentenced a former Defense Department analyst, Lawrence A. Franklin, to more than 12 years in prison today after Mr. Franklin admitted passing classified military information to two pro-Israel lobbyists and an Israeli diplomat.
The sentence meted out to Mr. Franklin, 59, by Judge T. S. Ellis III in Federal District Court in Alexandria, Va., was at the low end of the federal sentencing guidelines. Judge Ellis said at the hearing that he believed Mr. Franklin was motivated by a desire to help the United States, not to damage it.
Mr. Franklin’s sentence, which included a fine of $10,000, was the first victory for the government in a case in which prosecutors have also indicted the two lobbyists with whom he shared classified information. The charges against Mr. Franklin and the two lobbyists are offenses under the Espionage Act, but none of the men have been accused of spying.
The lobbyists, Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, were senior staff members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or Aipac, a pro-Israel lobbying organization with close relationships to officials in the Bush administration.

Posted by: b | Jan 20 2006 19:15 utc | 56

okay, i found a transcript of the alleged UBL tape here. wrt rogue state, the transcript reads:

If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to read the book “Rogue State,” which states in its introduction: “If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended once and for all.”

now i haven’t read the 2005 update of blum’s book to verify whether it includes the if i were president… schtick, but it was a part of his fourth book, 2004’s freeing the world to death: essays on the american empire. the full blurb is:

If I were president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United states in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize—very publicly and very sincerely—to all the widows and orphans, the impoverished ad tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce to every corner of the world that America’s global military interventions have come to an end. I would then inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but-oddly enough-a foreign country. Then I would reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings, invasions, and sanctions. There would be more than enough money. One year’s military budget in the United States is equal to more than $20,000 per hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That’s one year. That’s what I’d do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I’d be assassinated.

mickey z did a short little interview w/ blum at the time.
amazon shows that rogue state jumped yesterday from #86 to #35 today, killing hope jumped from #2,399 yesterday to #665 today, and freeing the world to death went from #10,314 yesterday to #2,932 today.

Posted by: b real | Jan 20 2006 19:20 utc | 57

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 20, 2006 1:22:09 AM | #
Great. Thanx Debs.

Posted by: John | Jan 20 2006 19:24 utc | 58

Tenure in Gitmo?

Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 20 2006 20:40 utc | 60

Debs,
Quid pro quo.
Link to Guardian

Posted by: John | Jan 20 2006 21:14 utc | 61

The English have been getting carried away about a whale swimming up the Thames. Many animal fanciers will take this as something positive; as if this whale has dropped by to say gidday to humans now that whales aren’t meant to be commercially hunted any longer.
These are the people who believe that animals particularly large mammals esp, whales, bears and large cats are somehow infallible. They can’t make mistakes. A sort of an anthropomorphic version of the noble savage.
Unfortunately animals do make mistakes and for some reason this is especially true of whales.
The most likely reason I can think of for the whale going up the Thames is in search of food.
It seems to have belonged to a pod of 3 and a small pod such as that; could be an indicator of how tough life may be for North Atlantic Cetaceans. They may not be being hunted anymore but they are starving.
The effects of commercial fishing, pollution, and the development of massive viral and bacterial infections along with other infestations in ‘fish farms’ must have made North Atlantic pickings very lean indeed.
IMHO the future is pretty grim for this northern bottle-nosed whale. Whales appear to form close family bonds and this whale has been separated from its family which may cause a disorientation induced by distress at the loss of its clan.
In an ideal world a giant heavy lift helicopter would be employed to carry this luckless creature back to it’s family’s vicinity. That way it would probably find it’s clan and live or die accordingly.
The most likely outcome however is for the elites to decide that having a whale expire right in front of them might get the sheeple thinking about how it came to be.
So they will have the whale shot in the dead of night (“to put it out of its misery”) then carve up the carcass with chainsaws, still protected by darkness.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 20 2006 21:32 utc | 62

One’s unsure whether to guffaw or cry after reading this Yahoo news headline: “US: Venezuela overspending on military”.
I went with guffaw.

Posted by: ran | Jan 21 2006 1:08 utc | 63

wayne madsen on the alleged UBL tape & the reference to blum

The reason the tape is as phony as Niger yellowcake documents and Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction is as plain as day. Bin Laden quotes from the introduction of a book written by long-time Washington, DC progressive author and journalist and a friend of mine, Bill Blum. Bill was once an editor and contributor to Covert Action Quarterly, a magazine devoted to exposing CIA operations like the arming, funding, and training of Bin Laden and his mujaheddin guerrillas during the Afghan-Soviet war.
The Bush perception managers are either incredibly stupid or are trying to ensnare liberal journalists as aiders and abettors of Al Qaeda, something that is certainly within their scope.
. . .
Bin Laden might not be so eager to quote Blum if he was aware of his other work, Killing Hope, an expose of the CIA’s covert wars. In it, Blum defends [the] Soviet occupation of Afghanistan as self-defense against the CIA-backed Islamist guerrillas, including Bin Laden’s forces, that were backed by the CIA. Now, why would Bin Laden plug an author like Blum who backed Bin Laden’s hated enemies, the Soviet Communists and their Afghan allies? Because the Bin Laden tape and his purported oratory are frauds.
. . .
So, we’re now supposed to believe that Bin Laden has come around to plug the book written by an author who demonstrated that the Soviet cause in Afghanistan was for self-defense and in furtherance of the well-being of the Afghan people and that Bin Laden’s and his mujaheddin compatriots’ cause was anti-progressive and destabilizing to the central Asian region?

also, olberman jan 20th interview w/ blum

Olbermann: In the audio message, bin Laden specifically referenced the introduction to your book, saying that you had said, let me quote it exactly, “if I were a president, I would halt the operations against the United States. First, I will extend my apologies to the widows, orphans and the persons who were tortured. Afterwards, I will announce that the U.S. interference in the world countries has ended forever,” ending the quote from bin Laden. Am I right that’s not even from your book, “Rogue State”?
Blum: No, it’s not. It’s taken from something I wrote which appears in one of my other books. It probably also appears all over the Internet because I’ve used it in various speeches I’ve given and the writings of mine. So it’s very easy to find that paragraph on the Internet. And what he quotes there is just a small portion only of that paragraph.

dumb spooks. dumb.

Posted by: b real | Jan 21 2006 6:46 utc | 64

Just to follow up on b real’s above post:
PBS Newshour: Bin Laden Tape Not Like Any Other
and
Bin Laden tape ‘not genuine’
A few choice comments from dkos:
Heard something I thought odd on NPR... (4.00 / 3)
This morning on my drive into work, they interviewed one of these voice-print identity experts who said he was simply amazed at how quickly the US Government was able to confirm it was Bin Laden.
In his experience, it should have taken at least several days, not hours! He said, paraphrasing from memory, ‘they must have some sort of extremely powerful computing power or vastly improved, secret, algorithms and methods for doing this.’ It sounded weird when he said it, though. Like he really wasn’t buying his own stated theory – perhaps he was already thinking he was wearing tin foil.
This definitely makes me sit back and wonder if the Pillbury Doughboy of Dirty Politics is at it again. Thanks for this diary – time to go looking for some experts!

lemme kick it like this (4.00 / 6)
This “OBL” tape is so obviously fraudulent and Rovian it isn’t even funny. From the text of it it makes it sound like OBL died and was reborn a polls-watching American political junkie like the rest of us.
The point of this tape is to put the words and talking points of Bush’s opponents into the mouth of the man who in the minds of so many has been inflated into biggest villain on the planet, thus neutralizing dissent even more effectively than the SS did in 1930s Germany.
The media, if it could be called that anymore, parrots the Michael Morre=OBL nonsense as gospel, repeating the lie until it comes to frame or represent the totality of the “debate” on these matters. Rove knows his Edvard Bernays-Josef Goebbels-Malcolm Muggeridge-Marshall McLuhan well, well enough to send the media chasing the phantom ball carrier off the left flank whilst he goes right, unmolested for the touchdown like Ben Roethlisberger on a play-action bootleg.
Get it through your heads NOW AND FOREVER, lefty chums: the media reports rightwing talking points like words from God himself and disparages leftwingers wholesale even on the rare occasions when we make sense because Republicans favor media deregulation (merging more and more power into fewer and fewer hands, ensuring tightly controlled info-flow as well as unimaginable profits for the resultant MEGALITHIC MEDIA CONGLOMERATES we see all around us) and Democrats (most of them) favor the breaking of these 21st Century trusts (more regulation for the media & fewer megamerged conglomerates).
Remember when Howard Dean, during the 2004 primaries when he was the surprise frontrunner, was asked by Chris “Tweety” Matthews what he would do about such rampant media consolidation if he were elected President? Dean said he was for breaking up the megamedia outlets and using gov’t to stop/slow down the further consolidation of media power in the hands of the few and the elite. The next day they had him screaming that infamously humiliating scream on every single TV from here to Indonesia, scuttling in a mere instant any possibility he would be giving them any trouble in the future.
It’s not a “conspiracy,” friends, it’s a BUSINESS PLAN. The Republican-owned and operated media spends roughly half its time having its rightwing punitocracy whining about the alleged “liberal bias” in the media, and that lie has become the truth faster than you can say Joe Scarborough because that’s the game: intentional disinformation, handed down from generation to generation and repeated ad infinitum until we at the Left are but a caricatured afterthought.
Now you know what the rightwingers were busy setting into motion while the Left were busy smoking dope, fucking and fighting amongst themselves for fictitious ideological purity these past 40 years.
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Frankly… (4.00 / 2)
I have absolutely no idea if the tape is real or not.
The real issue is that I simply don’t believe a single thing that is uttered by this sack of shit, ball sniffing, taint lapping, pathologically-lying administration.
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Snowball (none / 0)
It has been a few years since I read Animal Farm and I cannot find my copy to check this out but wasn’t it Snowball that got blamed for everything that went bad? bin Laden is Bush’s Snowball.
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And of course (none / 1)
the obvious comparison to the “Two Minutes of Hate” where Emmanuel Goldstein is rolled out regularly on television to pump up the masses for the perpetual war.
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of course it’s fake (none / 0)
When are people going to wake up and realize that this fits the same old tired pattern?
And people think it’s real because the CIA said so? Good God, do they think we’re that stupid?
The CIA can make audio tapes of anybody saying anything. All they need is a sample of someone’s voice.
Hell, Hollywood can put dead people in movies. In Gladiator, Oliver Reed died during filming. Didn’t stop them from putting him in scenes after he was dead. They had enough visual and audio information from scenes they’d shot previously that they were able to just stick him right in the movie after he was dead.
They did the same thing in the Sopranos with that woman who played Tony Soprano’s Mom, after she died.
This is a no-brainer.
Especially because of the line where “Osama” said that the reason they haven’t attacked the United States is because they’ve been so busy in Iraq.
Which fits right into the whole “we’ll fight them there so we don’t fight them here” bullshit Bushco’s been shitting all over us for the past few years.
And also is right out of the Scotty McClellan talking points bullshit about “Al Queda” being in Iraq.
I don’t understand why anybody is taking this tape seriously in any way shape or form.
“Wolf!”
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What’s weird, then, is the spartan language (none / 0)
If either Al Qaeda or the CIA (or the Bush Rovie intelligence outfit, whatever that is) were going to forge an Osama bin Laden speech, you’d think that they’d find a ghostwriter who could imitate Bin Laden’s flowery style. Maybe by cannibalizing past speeches.
If a U.S. organization forged this: Truly idiotic. Why can’t they find someone who can write flowery Arabic and allude to the Koran?
If Al Qaeda forged this: What a strange bunch of guys. Why don’t they arrange for a transition of power and try to rise above that ever-so-20th-century Osama fetish?
If this is a genuine Bin Laden speech: My impression from reading past alleged Bin Laden’s speeches that some of he wants sounds fairly reasonable. (Example: that the United States should get out of the Middle East and stop interfering with Arab government affairs.) Maybe Bin Laden is preparing a really big attack and wants to dumb down his rhetoric for Westerners so that he can say, “See? I told them so in language a baby could understand.”
My guess is that this is a U.S. forgery, because it’s hard for me to believe that someone like that would leave out the Koran in what amounts to a WMD discussion. Even atheists starting quoting various sacred scriptures when discussing WMD.
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ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE (none / 1)
An expert on voice analysis was interviewed on NPR’s early morning news program about the recent tape. He stated that the CIA confirmed that it was bin Laden in record time. The turn-around was too quick for any known analitical equipment. The only explanation he could come up with was possibly the CIA had recently developed more hi-tech equipment. Sure would like an independent evaluation on the tape.
Don’t normally walk around with a foil cap, but this doen’t past the smell test to me.
by MO Blue on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 10:35:10 PM PDT
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And Republicans Were on Talking Points (none / 0)
nationwide even sooner.
more?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 21 2006 7:06 utc | 65

As an American, I found the reaction of the regime in Washington much more “interesting” than the contents of the “Osama tape” itself.
AFP reports :

‘ WASHINGTON (AFP) – The United States rejected a truce offer from Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, with the White House declaring: “We do not negotiate with terrorists. We put them out of business.” ‘

Four years after a criminal gang used United States commercial aircraft to destroy the World Trade Center in New York City and a good piece of the Pentagon in Washington DC, murdering 3000 innocent Americans in the process while the present US regime whistled and looked the other way, four years later the exact same criminal now threatens us again… and Dick Cheney, George W Bush’s boss, claims that “we put them out of business”??!!!
Self-evidently they did nothing of the kind!
Instead they viewed 9/11 as a “godsend”, deliberately chose not to pursue Osama bin Laden and the criminals behind the mass murders of 9/11, rather chose to pursue the entirely unrelated war of aggression in Iraq that had been hoped for for years by their oil patch and military industrialist cronies, and planned for years by the neocon-likudniks, the drive wheels behind “our” present, criminal regime in Washington.
The remarkable thing about all of this is that war criminal Dick Cheney can make such absurd statements and have them blandly repeated in the American corporate media and swallowed by the comatose American public.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Jan 21 2006 12:34 utc | 66

$scam
I just read the Niall Ferguson article at the end of your link “The origins of the Great War of 2007…” and it turns out to be the opposite of what I expected. It is a diatribe against “appeasement” of Iran. A bald piece of propaganda pushing an attack on that nation written by the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History at Harvard.
There is goiong to be an attack on Iran.
There will be no Great War of 2007. There will be an irrational increase in the chaos in the Middle East brought on by the US/Israeli attack on Iran that drives oil prices much higher than they are now and ratchets up retaliation world wide.
Unless, of course, Israel or the US does nuke Iran. One way or the other the comatose American public will learn what it is like to appease a mad dictator like George W Bush and his band of madmen.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Jan 21 2006 13:06 utc | 67

Thanks for the correction, b real. I didn’t bother to check to see if I had the correct name, tho I’m familiar with both of Blum’s books..in fact, I own both of them. Chalmers Johnson’s book, Sorrow of Empire briefly hits on some of Blum’s information about American actions in nations around the world, but doesn’t offer the systematic lists of regions and actions.
Interesting to see the buzz for Blum’s book now at Amazon. also…there are so many versions of the OBL tape going around…and so many of them exerpts…is there a complete version that you’ve found?
I met the editor of Covert Action Quarterly at a rally in DC a couple of years ago and he had Blum at his table signing copies of his book…I just missed him.
I am a geek in that way. Had to stay after and get Cornell West to sign his books, too, when he was here in the recent past.
Ferguson never did seem to hit it big in my town with his cheerleading for the U.S. to embrace its empire and go for the big F.U. He’s consigned to the remainder bin.
He and Gertrude Himmelfarb and Victor Hansen make an neo-intelligensia daisy chain, if you know what i mean… if that image doesn’t scare you, nothing will.
and btw, I pride myself on not responding to the blue tooth in Tokyo post…till now…but I can’t stop myself any longer. Apparently for the “party in your pants” aficionados, there’s also the i-pod i-Buzz
I read about this earlier, and the (fake) reports of women buying the 14.5 hour Wagner Ring Cycle…
I like live performances, myself. No Wagner, tho, even then (snooooze). But it helps to have a bf who plays blues harmonica to up your music appreciation, or so I would guess…
And you’ve got to give a tip of the hat to Richard Pryor for that “coming and going at the same time” snap- his tribute to his dad.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 21 2006 18:06 utc | 68

People like Binny have an existence which is 90% media. The poster boy terrorist. You lend your name and your image for a cause, and work for the best or highest bidder – CIA, Saudi, your own business, etc. You move forward, hope you are doing the best.
But that is not quite right; it makes him seem too keen, too principled, too calculating, too ready, like in spy novels, to switch sides according to the latest strategy, fighting for an ultimate aim.
One has to understand, Saudi dissidents, Egyptian nay sayers, and many others (all from the upper classes), find their funding and encouragement mainly in one place. Be it to fight the Russkies, create disturbances, scare Americans, fight on the Muslim side in Yugo, Cechnia (sp?), Africa too now under the radar (?), there is only one source of important funds, arms, expertise, encouragement. The Saudis fund Islamists big time – but they are supposedly ‘pure’ and don’t overtly truck with terrorists.
All ‘islamist’ radicals (the label is a joke) are dependent on the US and Gvmts that are US allies. Without that support, they would never bother. Never. But there is a LOT of money swashing around. Glory, too.
All of them are motivated by greed and the appeal of a more exciting life. The ‘terrarists’ are a great example of the success of ‘trickle down’.
In a way, it is a grand success. There is no all-out war, just skirmishes under the surface, and all of us sleep at night. More like violent corporate infighting, Mafia, than ww2.
Pity the poor Iraqis. And the people in the ex USSR.
The very fact that Binny is either alive or dead but remains a vital figure tells it all.

Posted by: Noisette | Jan 21 2006 18:55 utc | 69

and btw, if, as it seems, the OBL tape may very likely be a fake, does this mean that he is dead as of the recent bombing, or that he was dead before the Nov. 2004 psy-ops tape that just so happened to help Bush…or is he on some dialysis machine somewhere in a hospital in Pakistan or wherever, unable to comment on these tapes?
If OBL is such a media saavy watcher of US polls, why would he choose to release such a tape at the moment he knows Bush is weaker than ever? He would know such a tape would only strengthen Bush…b/c that’s what happened before. OBL is or was a smart guy, no matter how he used those smarts.
all to say, if the tape is real, its purpose would seem to be to keep the US entrenched in Iraq. if it’s not true, it’s distraction from the Republican machine that is going down faster than a monkey blow job.
…and as others have noted, it makes valid criticism sound like collusion.
and apropos to nothing, but lots of things, too, I keep thinking of the internet in relation to the literary underground and the ancien regime. as related by Robt Darnton.
Here’s a Nov. 05 take from Greider, via Vermont Commons that touches on this sense from Darnton, too, Found this now while I was looking for a link to his book.
the contemporary system looks a lot more like the ancien régime than its practitioners realize. Control is top-down and centralized. Information is shaped (and tainted) by the proximity of leading news-gatherers to the royal court and by their great distance from people and ordinary experience.
People do find ways to inform themselves, as best they can, when the regular “news” is not reliable. In prerevolutionary France, independent newspapers were illegal–forbidden by the king–and books and pamphlets, rigorously censored by the government. Yet people developed a complex shadow system by which they learned what was really going on–the news that did not appear in official court pronouncements and privileged publications. Cultural historian Robert Darnton, in brilliantly original works like The Literary Underground of the Old Regime, has mapped the informal but politically potent news system by which Parisians of high and low status circulated court secrets or consumed the scandalous books known as libelles, along with subversive songs, poems and gossip, often leaked from within the king’s own circle. News traveled in widening circles. Parisians gathered in favored cafes, designated park benches or exclusive salons, where the forbidden information was read aloud and copied by others to pass along. Parisians could choose for themselves which reality they believed. The power of the French throne was effectively finished, one might say, once the king lost control of the news. (It was his successor, Louis XVI, who lost his head.)

(here’s the full Greider in The Nation)
and an interview with Darnton
here’s an interesting web site relating to censorship across time and space.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 21 2006 19:49 utc | 70

And you’ve got to give a tip of the hat to Richard Pryor for that “coming and going at the same time” snap- his tribute to his dad.
Didn’t know that. Its been a joke in my family from before the days of Richard Pryor, since that’s how my great-grandfather (who I was named after, incidentally) died. “Police: Don’t move the body. G-Grandma: I had to to get to the phone.”

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 22 2006 7:13 utc | 71

One fly in the ointment of the ‘it ain’t Binny’ school of thought in regard to the tape.
That the tease for Robert Fisk’s article says this:

Osama bin Laden: Is it him? Almost certainly.
By Robert Fisk
Published: 20 January 2006
So why only on audio? Why no video tape? Is he sick? Yes, say the usual American “intelligence sources”. It’s the same old story: Osama bin Laden talks to us from the mouth of a cave, from within a cave, from a basement perhaps, from a tape almost certainly recorded down a telephone line from far away. Yesterday’s message, broadcast as ever by al-Jazeera television, was a reminder that security – not sickness – decides his method of communication.
We invaded Afghanistan to find Bin Laden and we fight and die in Iraq to kill his supporters – yet still he eludes us, still he threatens us, still he taunts us.
Article Length: 1434 words (approx.)

Fisk has met and talked with Bin Laden extensively on at least two occasions. Fisk is fluent in Arabic so he would know Bin Laden’s voice.
Of course there’s a chance the actual article puts it differently, but I don’t give media magnates, even relatively minor ones like Tony Reilly, my money.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 22 2006 8:27 utc | 72

Malooga- thanks for making me laugh out loud.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 23 2006 2:11 utc | 73