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January 1, 2006
Open Thread 06-1

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Newsweek on the process that led to spying within the U.S. by the NSA
Full Speed Ahead

At the Justice Department, it was a former prosecutor, James Comey, who forced the White House to back away from the so-called Torture Memo, which appeared to give intelligence agencies a license to use any interrogation method that did not cause the extreme pain associated with organ failure. Comey was the No. 2 man at the department at the time. Although the details are unclear, it appears that Comey’s objections were also key to slowing the warrantless-eavesdropping program in 2004 for a time. According to several officials who would not be identified talking about still-classified matters, Comey (among other government lawyers) argued that the authority for the program—the 2001 “use of force” resolution—had grown stale. It was time to audit the program before proceeding in any case, Comey said.
But in March 2004, White House chief of staff Card and White House Counsel Gonzales visited Ashcroft, the seriously ill attorney general, to try to get him to overrule Comey, who was officially acting as A.G. while Ashcroft was incapacitated. Ashcroft refused, and a battle over what to do broke out in the Justice Department and at the White House. Finally, sometime in the summer of 2004, a compromise was reached, with Comey onboard: according to an account in The New York Times, Justice and the NSA refined a checklist to follow in deciding whether “probable cause” existed to start monitoring someone’s conversations.
Bureaucrats frustrated by their political bosses have one time-honored weapon: the leak. …

As young up-and-comers, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney were back-to-back White House chiefs of staff in the Ford administration. They got their hands on power just as the “Imperial President” was being cut down to size. For the past 25 years, both men have wanted to restore executive power. When 9/11 came along, they seized the moment. It would be the height of irony if, by taking too hard-line a stance now, they ended up undermining the power of the president.

Let’s hope so ..

Posted by: b | Jan 1 2006 19:11 utc | 1

Bush plans nuclear attack on Iran?!
Another coalition of the willing and Nuking Iran With the UN’s Blessing

Posted by: b | Jan 1 2006 19:13 utc | 2

Even wonder if MSM network is feeding you s–t?
What they’re doing is, working you by the polls.
Iraq > Bush >>> Inflation
http://tinyurl.com/83t9z
Islam > Christianity >>> Zionism
http://tinyurl.com/duc66
Energy > Finance >>> Commodities
http://tinyurl.com/cr7sp
Bush > Sports >>> Arts
http://tinyurl.com/ax7ms
Condi Rice > Princess Diana >>> Banda Aceh
http://tinyurl.com/a6kal
Supreme Court >>> Tax Reform > Budget Deficit
http://tinyurl.com/cqapq
Partying > Human Services >>> Tax Cuts
http://tinyurl.com/dk7ed
Partying = Peace >>> War
http://tinyurl.com/9z66s
finally, the roll-up you’ve been waiting for:
Partying >>> War > Finance
http://tinyurl.com/7hd3r
There you have it, nobody really gives a s–t!
Turn off your TV, turn off your PC and party,
for Tomorrow we shall die, each and every one.

Posted by: Loose Shanks | Jan 1 2006 20:27 utc | 3

Bush Calls Domestic Spying Program Essential
It’s a silly exercise, but I just want to parse this “defense” that Bush the Younger is presenting here.
“This is a limited program designed to prevent attacks on the United States of America and, I repeat, limited,” Bush told reporters after visiting wounded troops at Brooke Army Medical Center. “I think most Americans understand the need to find out what the enemy’s thinking.”
Okay… I’m on trial for, say, robbing a bank. My “defense” is that I haven’t robbed many banks when you consider all the banks out there that could be robbed, so I engaged in a pretty “limited program” of bank robberies. Further, I think most Americans can understand the need to have money, so robbing a couple of banks should be an okay thing for me to do.
“In the first few weeks we made many concessions in the Congress because we were at war and we were under attack,” said Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. “We still have the possibility of that going on, so we don’t want to obviate all of this. But I think we want to see what, in the course of time, really works best.”
When I started robbing banks I was really short on cash, so I did some things initially that I probably wouldn’t have done in other circumstances. Since I still have the possibility of needing more money, I need to play around with my technique (armed robbery, inside jobs, maybe knocking over a few Brinks trucks) to find out what works best. Mind you, it’s still a “limited program”.
“The fact that somebody leaked this program causes great harm to the United States,” Bush said before returning to Washington from a holiday break at his Texas ranch. “There’s an enemy out there.”
Since people have tried to stop me from my “limited program” of bank robberies, it has exacerbated my cash flow problem, and now I will have to rob even more banks. In fact, the simple fact that I was caught is proof that I had a cash flow problem to begin with and should get me off the hook. Further, that there are people who want to stop me from robbing banks indicates that there is a concerted effort on the part of a few criminals to keep me from having money. Therefore, if I stop robbing banks now, these horrible people will win. I am now morally obligated to rob more banks (within my “limited program”, mind you).
“It’s seems logical to me that if we know there’s a phone number associated with al-Qaeda or an al-Qaeda affiliate and they’re making phone calls, it makes sense to find out why,” he said. “They attacked us before, they’ll attack us again.”
Since I began my “limited program” to alleviate my cash flow problem, they have taken measures to increase the security at banks everywhere (including the ones I have not even robbed yet). It only makes sense that if my cash ran short once, it’s going to happen again and if I can get up to date information on bank security systems, then it is incumbent upon me to do so.
Bush didn’t answer a reporter’s question about whether he was aware of any resistance to the program at high levels of his administration and how that might have influenced his decision to approve it.
Sometimes I do get pangs of guilt for robbing banks, but then I remind myself that I was forced to do this by necessity. It doesn’t make me a “bank robber” or anything.
“We’re already talking about this entirely too much out in public as a result of these leaks … and it’s endangering our efforts to make Americans more secure,” McConnell said.
Okay, I shouldn’t even be talking about this. My being recognised here and announcing my intentions is going to make it much harder for me to continue my “limited program” of bank robberies.
“Was this somebody who had an ill purpose, trying to hurt the United States?” Schumer asked. “Or might it have been someone in the department who felt that this was wrong, legally wrong, that the law was being violated?”
Did the guy who put up my photo in the post office want to hurt my cash flow or were they trying to stop banks from being robbed? In the end, does it make a difference? They are obviously my enemy and have harmed my efficacy to pursue my “limited program” here.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to craft a “defense” that drinking a fifth of scotch every day doesn’t make me an alcoholic.

Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 1 2006 22:20 utc | 4

Clowntime is Over: The Last Stand of the American Republic
So now, at last, the crisis is upon us. Now the cards are finally on the table, laid out so starkly that even the Big Media sycophants and Beltway bootlickers can no longer ignore them. Now the choice for the American Establishment is clear, and inescapable: do you hold for the Republic, or for autocracy?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 1 2006 23:19 utc | 5

Islamic leaders were paid to aid U.S. propaganda
….Lincoln has also turned to American scholars and political consultants for advice on the content of the propaganda campaign in Iraq, records indicate. Michael Rubin, a Middle East scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington research organization, said he had reviewed materials produced by the company during two trips to Iraq within the past two years.
“I visited Camp Victory and looked over some of their proposals or products and commented on their ideas,” Mr. Rubin said in an e-mailed response to questions about his links to Lincoln. “I am not nor have I been an employee of the Lincoln Group. I do not receive a salary from them.”
He added: “Normally, when I travel, I receive reimbursement of expenses including a per diem and/or honorarium.” But Mr. Rubin would not comment further on how much in such payments he may have received from Lincoln.
Mr. Rubin was quoted last month in The New York Times about Lincoln’s work for the Pentagon placing articles in Iraqi publications: “I’m not surprised this goes on,” he said, without disclosing his work for Lincoln…..

Posted by: zena | Jan 2 2006 3:21 utc | 6

i just can’t stand this pressure anymore. it’s really getting to be too much to try and hide it any longer. according to the person playing the role of the president, the last thing this nation needs right now is another anonymous leak (probably no longer possible over the web anyway, eh?), so i feel it best to go ahead & get this on the record tonite. i have made it my new year’s resolution to come out and admit that i, yes i, have been helping to fund terrorism. for quite some time now. decades, actually. that’s right. i’m not proud of it. matter of fact, it literally makes me sick to think about how i got caught up in this mess & what acts of terror my money has helped facilitate over the years. of course, it all started innocently enough – i was still in high school, naive as hell, just excited to have a real job & an income of my own. how was i to know where some of my tax dollars were going? i mean, as kids we were heavily indoctrinated into the belief that our government was there to serve its citizens and that by paying our share of taxes, we were making our communities and lives better. how was i to know? it wasn’t like our textbooks or popular media ever let on what was really happening in our names. but excuses probably don’t mean much coming from a character who would fund state terrorism – knowingly or not. there is no excuse for this irresponsibility and i want to publicly state that i am truly sorry. i am so ashamed.
The US may be the only country that is officially and publicly committed to wholesale international terrorism as a standard policy instrument.
noam chomsky,no longer safe, 1993

Posted by: b real | Jan 2 2006 5:17 utc | 7

U.S. Has End in Sight on Iraq Rebuilding

Iraqis nationwide receive on average less than 12 hours of power a day. For residents of Baghdad, it was six hours a day last month, according to a U.S. count, though many residents say that figure is high.
The Americans, said Zaid Saleem, 26, who works at a market in Baghdad, “are the best in destroying things but they are the worst in rebuilding.”

Posted by: b | Jan 2 2006 7:42 utc | 8

TEN WAYS BUSH ESCAPES SCANDAL

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 2 2006 8:20 utc | 9

Monolycus, I salute you. I would never have understood the Bush remarks you quote without your kind explication. He is as funny as John Dillinger! Our (I mean that) President is an excellent comedian, a buffoon of the highest order. That is a remarkable achievement and I extend my gratitude to you for the clear instruction. Thank you.
Okay, in reverse order:
b real, no kidding. share your post. speak your post: “it literally makes me sick to think about how i got caught up in this mess & what acts of terror my money has helped facilitate over the years.”
and, “how was i to know where some of my tax dollars were going?”
Hey Uncle $Scam, you really messed me up just now. I thought the unattributed quote of Chris Floyd was your own voice and I was just about to issue some kind of scolding post — then I self-corrected and read the article, ya know I RTFA and your comment consisted of the blue link and then the first paragraph of Chris Floyd’s (the wonderful, up there with Hunter Thompson (“Hunter, ya bugger,”) and that other guy who got fired from the New York Press and now writes for Rolling Stone, he used to live in Moscow …) linked article and then I was a bit embarrassed to see that I had misunderestimated you but I was not embarrased enough to delete all this text I’ve already written.
Next, we have Monolycus, the reason I decided to comment … dude, keep it up. I’ll come back to this one, you’ve got me in stitches. And from the heart, keep on keepin’ on.
From Mono’s post above, he is paraphrasing Geo Beo I mean George W Bush 43:

“Okay… I’m on trial for, say, robbing a bank. My “defense” is that I haven’t robbed many banks when you consider all the banks out there that could be robbed, so I engaged in a pretty “limited program” of bank robberies. Further, I think most Americans can understand the need to have money, so robbing a couple of banks should be an okay thing for me to do.”

To the rest of y’all, sorry if I’m taking up the room under the Moon, but I had on my red goggles and had to say something. It was getting kind of quiet and I love seeing a new post, even if it’s just my own. A shout-out to DeAnander wherever you are.

Posted by: jonku | Jan 2 2006 9:27 utc | 10

Oh my…. and since we now have now a moonbat confessional tribulation, I like my brethren in an early springtime blossoming confessional, which, while we’re at it, to quote my spiritial mentor Jimmy Swagert: “forgive me for I have sinned” — yeah, more than once, so what “it was gooood” — I too have also sinned, and in such a rareified and ignominious mood, pickled as I am in the unholy Glen- Livett moment of confessional I now find myself (thanks alot Mono-), I, while having resisted (so far) bank robbery and paying (so far) federal taxes, I am least not yet so clean, as to be washed in the blood of a small sheep, to purify, assuming this is a metaphore (I mean really, you’d think they could do better than that, Ukk) which I could embrace, I try to anna — lies how could I contribute to the greater glorification for which I have been so far delinquent, for which if you think about it, must be without qualification — the primier reason for the failure, on all fronts without question, the historonic deflation of the american ideal before the audience of the world — Damn, what was I thinking? Hey, you watch next time I’ll do better………………………Sorry bout that.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 2 2006 10:40 utc | 11

Uncle, you asked before about songs of protest. Here’s one:
“World, my finger is on the button”
“Push the button.”
It’s a song on BBC 6 Music by Chemical Brothers, Dj says “Chemical Brothers 1994.”
The song just finished. Quite good, thanks to DJ Gideon Coe.
My last-verse-heard interpratation feels to me that the song is a ‘deconstruction’ of the rhetoric of pride — “My finger is on the button” and also a deconstruction of the Mighty Wurlitzer(tm) echoing with “Push that button.” There’s way more of course. Including the 9/10ths of the song I never paid attention to.
What was going on in 1994 to muse on that response from this crew? I think you’d like this song, they also collaborated on a great tune from a year and a half ago that I liked, something about “As I walked along, the supposed Golden Path” — quite good too.

Posted by: jonku | Jan 2 2006 10:43 utc | 12

My X-wife would surely testify to all the above.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 2 2006 10:50 utc | 13

anna missed, I must respond. The thing is, you and the Ideal America do exist if only in Our Minds.
I am struggling with this as well. I cried a few nights ago as I explained to an American friend what happened on September 12 2001, Le Monde’s headline echoing a beloved American leader JFK in Berlin when they set in big type “Today We Are All New Yorkers.”
I cried tears on my cheeks as I tried to explain the loss of that support when the controllers sent bombs and attacks into Iraq.
Truth is we are all Americans now. And Americans are now “one of us.”
Happy hangover.

Posted by: jonku | Jan 2 2006 10:53 utc | 14

(nocturnal) jonku,
Indeed.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 2 2006 11:03 utc | 15

US forces step up Iraq airstrikes

The number of airstrikes in 2005, running at a monthly average of 25 until August, surged to 120 in November and an expected 150 in December, according to official military figures.

Dov Zakheim, a senior Pentagon official during Bush’s first term in office, said: “The goal is not democracy, it is a united Iraq that doesn’t bother its neighbours.

Determined to reduce “collateral damage”, the American military is relying on laser or satellite-guided bombs that can strike rooms or buildings without killing large numbers of civilians.

In an example of the strategy, two US F16 fighters last week dropped two 500lb laser-guided bombs on three men planting roadside explosives in Kirkuk province, killing them and seven others.

Posted by: b | Jan 2 2006 15:14 utc | 16

@ b
That item reads is if the three men were caught in the act and the other casualties happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In fact, men spotted ‘acting suspiciously’ on the ground were tracked by air as they made their way by car over a distance of some miles, parked up and entered a building. The ‘precision strikes’ hit more than one building (incidentally, I’d be interested in hearing a scientific explanation of how the blast from 500lb bombs could ever be neatly confined to one room), and killed ten persons in total. However the U.S. military tries to dress it up, the lethal targeting of ‘suspicious characters’ (and accompanying loss of any intelligence value arising from anything as old-fashioned as an arest), is frequently a hi-tech game for pilots conducted with no regard whatsoever for innocent civilians in the sites being attacked.

Posted by: Spotter | Jan 2 2006 16:30 utc | 17

@Spotter – yep, the whole “rduction of collateral damage” is bullshit. The journalist doesn’t say so directly (he should) but he puts the example just a few graphs away.

Another good one from The London Times (were is Mordoch?)
Leave the field now – the Iraqi endgame is about to begin


The next stage in Iraq is no longer within the capacity of America or Britain to determine. All they can do is postpone it. The country is about to acquire its third government in as many years. Left to its own devices this government might just find enough authority to hold its country together. Imprisoned in its green zone castle as a puppet of the Pentagon, it will certainly not. That is why withdrawal needs a date, and an early one.
I was told by a senior security official last month that the Iraq experience had been so ghastly that at least no British government would do anything like it “for a very long time indeed”. Funny, I thought. Why are 4,000 British troops leaving to fight the Taliban in southern Afghanistan, whence even the Americans have fled? Nobody can give me an answer.

Posted by: b | Jan 2 2006 18:43 utc | 18

Unkka–re your link-
Floyd’s insistence that only the establishment can take down Bush right now indicates how little direct democracy we really have, doesn’t it? Or have ever had. We started out holding others as property, treating those with property as “more human” than the rest, and we have never been able to get past that imbalance of power in American political, social and economic life, as Katrina also attests.
One moment in the history of this nation makes me think something else might be possible, and that is the civil rights movement in the south…it’s probably no coincidence that the one group, other than women, who were systematically treated as less than human displayed the most humanity when they insisted that this world must change.
but how many ppl now, ppl who have a jobs, a houses, a families…middle-class Americans, as King and his followers were in their segregated community, are willing to stand up to hateful police and hoses and attack dogs because basic principles have been continually violated by this administration?
I too have the feeling that the 2000 coup, as bad as it was, was much, much worse than most all of us understood at the time.
Last night I watched Visconti’s The Damned. He takes an industrialist family and mirrors the larger conflicts in Germany starting with the Reichstag fire and trailing off with Hitler’s consolidation of power after The Night of the Long Knives. It all seemed eerily similar to today’s power structure and struggle.
I too have the feeling that if Congress does not step up and begin an investigation into impeachment, we have lost any vestiges of democracy. They cannot let Bush get away with this, or they might as well have “Bush’s Bitch” tatooed on their asses and bend over the lecturn to receive the latest abuse of power.
Some conservative, I read somewhere, asked all those who hate Bush to name one way in which he has personally harmed them. I was stunned by the assumption that living as a citizen in a nation that openly justifies the torture of innocent people does not somehow impact those people…does not somehow make them soul sick.
Not to mention the ways in which Bush has stolen from every taxpayer with no bid contracts to Halliburton, just to start…the money part, unfortunately, makes people pay attention, but it’s the coarsening of our actions around the world that makes all of us live in a world that is not likely to soon find ways to deal with non-state terrorism in a way that promotes the greater good.
If the establishment doesn’t use their elitist power to derail the bush/cheney monorail to hell, how are they any different than that family in Visconti’s movie?

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 3 2006 3:25 utc | 19

Agreed fauxreal,

While some will, or must, deny that darkness is descending, one way to get one’s bearings is to pay attention to how merely reading the news has become an exercise in Kremlinology. If you have (and use) critical thinking skills, strong indications that policy decisions may have been made for reasons other than their publicly stated rationale practically leap out at one constantly. The challenge then becomes a matter of how to avoid letting one’s speculation about such matters run rampant.

It’s possible that all this is just gov’t being stupid. But remember the natural, unswerving law of politics: each gov’t fuckup is just an excuse for granting the gov’t still more power. At this point, seemingly ridiculous, nonsensical acts take on a significance – does it really even matter at this point whether it’s conspiratorial design or a well-established, organic pattern of SNAFUs – that too many actively ignore.
I also think the ruling elite have completely forgotten the utility of representative democracy in preventing harm being done to them, by their own number. Further, The right doesn’t think power will ever change hands again, and looking at the Democratic leaders it’s based on validity. I mean, if you can’t even protect yourselves against insults and assaults, how do you expect to command loyalty in the long run or keep from being relegated to the flunky class? Let alone win back anything. Some thoughts for liberals who support them, becoming telemarketers for members of the flunky class offers no long term security even if by some fluke the dems win. I am so sick of six pack joe saying, everything will be alright when the dems get back in power.
The right doesn’t think power will ever change hands again, or if it temporarily does, they don’t think that legal or institutional precedents matter, that they could be turned back and used against them. This is one of the more easily identifiable bulwarks of rationality that’s collapsed.
When I say “they,” I mean the rank and file as well as the elite leadership. The notion of respect for the rule of law as a form of self-protection has disappeared from top to bottom, left to right. I wish like hell I could find a white paper I quoted heavily from a few years back in my research on power stuctures, in it was the thesis that once power is gained, it is never ever never returned back to the people.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 3 2006 5:52 utc | 20

@Uncle $cam I don’t know if I hold to Chris Floyd’s philosophy that only the establishment forces can hope to derail BushCo.
Unless the electorate gives them a really strong message that impeachment must be instigated it won’t happen. Really although the issues appear more vital now the slow reaction on the part of the establishment towards the vietnam war and Nixon’s crimes was pretty much identical.
The establishment finally moved against Nixon because like everyone else they felt ‘something in the air’. There was a great impetus for change and importantly it came from young people in a society that worships youth.
I reckon that politicians have so little insight into young people that they can’t hold them in contempt as ‘failures’ as they do with everyone else who hasn’t chosen to go for their type of materialist self indulgence.
There is no doubt that a lot more people are dis-satisfied with BushCo now than they were 18 months ago but unless that desire for change is at least partially driven by the young people that politicians secretly admire and fear I don’t see them sticking their necks out.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 3 2006 8:03 utc | 21

@Did, when I refer to “the establishment” I do not mean you or me, I mean the business class.
As malooga posited, “The same major factions of the US business structure that forced an end to the war in Vietnam will be impacted far worse by these actions.” However, I’m quite convinced they are as ignorant as the rest of the masses for the most part on the consequences of the’re actions or of things to come. Hence, they know not what they do. But they will. And thereby, they will be forced to choose. I suspect they will jump on the bandwagon whether than go down out of virtual survival. This whole cabal, would rather bring the whole house of cards down than relinquish control. THEY WILL GO THE DISTANCE. I feel it in my bones.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 3 2006 10:19 utc | 22

fauxreal, you said
“but how many ppl now, ppl who have [a] jobs, [a] houses, [a] families…middle-class Americans, as King and his followers were in their segregated community, are willing to stand up to hateful police and hoses and attack dogs because basic principles have been continually violated by this administration?”
I will stand. I have done so before and I will again.
Thanks for asking in such clear terms, fauxreal. As they dither, I hear about one hundred and more thousand dead and more murders all the time.
As for the discussion at hand: I watched The Interpreter movie over the weekend, it was pretty good — Sean Penn and Nicole Kidman, starring the United Nations.
I had a minor epiphany after seeing Penn’s character, a Secret Service officer, call in helicopters and all that.
A scary view of what is, as shown in this movie by Sidney Pollack, all too real.
My minor epiphany is this: with the power seen in the hands of the rank and file, the men and women of the departments and units of the world’s, and the US’s spy teams, why would you even try to fight.
They are an awesome power unto themselves. Unbeatable.
So the obvious solution is to use this force for good.
That is it. New leaders from the top. I mean leaders.

Posted by: jonku | Jan 3 2006 10:40 utc | 23

Just for a little quaint nostalgia:
The Woodward and Bernstein Watergate Papers.
‘Between 1972 and 1976, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein emerged as two of the most famous journalists in America and became forever identified as the reporters who broke the biggest story in American politics. Beginning with the investigation of a “third-rate burglary” of the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate complex, Woodward and Bernstein uncovered a system of political “dirty tricks” and crimes that eventually led to indictments of forty White House and administration officials, and ultimately to the resignation of President Richard Nixon…’

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 3 2006 12:11 utc | 24

While the MI complex is part of the “establishment” the GIs who are doing the killing and dying are not. A Military Times poll shows that support for Bush’s Iraq policy has dropped to 54% from 63% last year. Regarding the poll sample:

The respondents were “on average older, more experienced, more likely to be officers and more career-oriented than the military population.”

In other words, those actually suffering the personal consequences of the policy were under represented in the poll.
The military voted overwhelmingly for Bush and Republicans in 2000 and only a little less so in 2004, so this result indicates a significant erosion of support from within the Republican base. While one must be careful not to generalize poll results, this poll – conducted by a publication directed to a military audience – adds to other anecdotal indications (from my vantage point, anecdotal is the best I can do) of dissatisfaction with the Iraq war within the military. Other indications include the failure of selected military audiences to cheer on cue to scripted applause lines during recent speeches by prominint administration figures as well as public statements by people like Murtha, Wilkerson, Odom and Skowcroft who spoke for many in the military who could not speak publically.
During the Viet Nam war, the young protested because they were the Americans who would pay the personal price for the war. Without a draft, that price is confined to those serving in the military and NG.(I don’t count the contractors who are betting with their lives to make money.) The establishment,, through it’s media arm, has lionized “our heroes” while muffling their voices, thus containing the eruption of wider dissent. Once Our Heroes start to speak freely, the dissent can break out into the open in a way that the establishment cannot ignore or marginalize. It will have to take seriously the objections of the population it has been elevating to celebrity status in order to glorify what it has been asking them to do.
I have long felt that this is the part of our population that could force the rest of the us to look hard at what our govt is actually doing in Iraq – skin in the game, as RGiap says. They know first hand what we have been doing to the Iraqi people and many feel the consequences in their own damaged humanity and understand that their govt has betrayed them. I hope some of the vets will begin to push this into public view in 2006. The public needs to look at the non-sanitized truth of the war fought in their name and feel shamed (those who still can) for the same reason that Emmet Till’s mother insisted on an open casket for her murdered son to shock white America into awareness of racial injustice.
The “establishment” will not take this step. It’s decision makers use and manipulate people to further their own ends and are insulated from the personal effects of their policies. Only the used can effect change.
But it is not enough to oppose and stop the Iraq war. The policy assumptions and world view that got us into it must also change or other interventions will follow. Conservative war critics like to trace US interventionism back to Wilson, but they conveniently ignore Teddy Roosevelt’s intervention to create Panama and the canal, the Spanish-American War to create empire and the annexation of an independent Hawaii (initiated during the Harrison administration and ratified during McKinley’s, both big business Republicans, after four years of Cleveland’s anxious, fretful dithering) on behalf of US sugar plantation owners. In other words, US interventionism is not rooted in the Wilsonian “vision,” though it’s propaganda usually blathers on about those ideals; it is rooted in powerful US economic interests and always has been. The human cost of these interventions (overt and covert) has mostly been paid by non-Americans with Americans remaining blithefully unaware, partly because our govt does most of it’s dirty work out of sight; only when Americans are paying does opposition in this country surface. The rank and file of our military is currently hurting because our leaders believe we are an empire that must expand and dominate; I hope that in 2006 the Americans who are paying the personal price for these policies – dying for the bottom line – can begin to force the rest of to feel it and then extend that empathy to the Iraqi people as well as others our govt’s policies have been harming. Only a profound change in our attitude toward the rest of humanity will result in substantive foreign policy change. Even the realists see the world as a chess board to dominate, so present a choice only as far as tactics are concerned. If all the world is a chess board, most of it’s people will be pawns subject to sacrifice by the powerful. Many in our military – such as Pat Tillman before he was killed – now know this includes most Americans. I hope they will begin to make this clear to the rest of us.
This is a lot to ask and I am not optimistic about Americans changing willingly until our current policies result in a lot more pain to us. I’m afraid it’s coming.

Posted by: lonesomeG | Jan 3 2006 17:17 utc | 25

It is difficult to imagine that this bombing North of Tikrit is the same story as the bombing outside Kirkuk that both spotter and b talk about. In fact the substantial variation in details between those tales of death and destruction makes one wonder if they are discussing two seperate events themselves.
It leads me to believe that this new tactic is an attempt at dealing with IED’s, but still in a reactive knee-jerk way that will be doomed to failure, and result in a lot of innocents being murdered (I’m sorry ‘collateral damage’ just doesn’t work for me)
eg:

“Several members of the same family, including women and children have been killed in a US air strike that destroyed their home in northern Iraq.”…
…”US forces said they acted after seeing three men suspected of planting a roadside bomb enter the house.
The raid has prompted anger among some local political leaders.”

The insurgents will rapidly develop methods of getting IEDs into the ground unobserved and the number crunchers at the Pentagon will display their usual inertia in modifying their tactics, so we can expect that Sunni will feel even more oppressed once it becomes apparent that not only are tribal ceremonies particularly weddings a thing of the past but now planting crops, digging a well or an irrigation ditch have become high risk occupations.
Sure the US forces wont ‘mean’ to get innocents but as the numbers of obvious IED planters decreases and the the statistical ‘targets’ imposed on each command remain the same anyone digging anything, then anyone carrying a shovel and finally anyone, will become a potential terrarist.
It’s so much easier murdering people when seperated by a great height. To the aircrew the ‘targets’ (what the rest of us call human beings) look like ants and can be treated as such. There will be no need to see the eviscerations that result from the lever being pulled, the tiny arms and legs cartwheeling through the air or hear the screams of the wounded followed by the howls of the grieving.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 3 2006 18:52 utc | 26

Abramoff Pleads Guilty to 3 Felony Charges

Former high-powered lobbyist Jack Abramoff pleaded guilty today to three felony charges in a deal with federal prosecutors that helps clear the way for his testimony about members of Congress and congressional staffers in a wide-ranging political corruption investigation.

Looks like this will unfold just in time for the 2006 election. I wonder how the Cheney administration will divert the public from all these scandals blowing up around them.

Posted by: b | Jan 3 2006 20:34 utc | 27

Here is an Abraomoff scoresheet (so far). The strategy for defending Republicans will be to constantly mention Democrats who took Abramoff’s money to “balance” the perception that this is a Republican scandal. It will probably work.

Posted by: lonesomeG | Jan 3 2006 22:16 utc | 28

@lomesoneG – you said
The strategy for defending Republicans will be to constantly mention Democrats who took Abramoff’s money to “balance” the perception that this is a Republican scandal. It will probably work.
No known case shows Democrats took Abramoff’s money. A lot of Repubs, illegaly in some(?) cases, did take Abramoff’s money. Some Democrats took money from Abramoff’s clients, probably not knowing about any connection.
At least the left should keep the story straight …

Posted by: b | Jan 3 2006 23:19 utc | 30

Cosma Shalizi makes a very interesting research proposal – how could we measure the extent to which cronyism allows incompetents to land plum jobs in the Bush administration?
Further, how can we measure the methodical putting of people in positions of power to protect and headoff probes into BushCO crimes.
Anyone endorsed by the Bush administration is corrupt.
To the core. That is why they are endorsed.
There are no exceptions to that rule.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 3 2006 23:31 utc | 31

@lonesomeG, although a donkey party administration would be ‘less bad’ than the current rethug mob, the difference would be marginal.
And yes short term the rethugs pointing the finger at the dems may relieve some of the pressure, but aren’t you just a little disturbed that Harry Reid’s take was commensurate with Delay’s when his role of minority leader is matched against Delay’s majority leadership.
It appears to me, admittedly and determindly an outsider, that if amerikans genuinely want to salvage their republic they must put partisan politics to one side while everyone mans the pumps to get the ship afloat once more.
The changes that need to be made shouldn’t be seen as favoring one side or the other, in fact if they do then the USA will definitely go down.
Firstly corruption flourished because the politicians are far too removed from the people they are meant to govern.
After travelling here and there I now refuse to live in a community where any citizen can’t shake the hand of his national representative or throw a deserved brickbat at him her at least a couple of times a year.
Secondly as I have blathered in here ad nauseum why is it that a nation of racially, sexually, and culturally diverse citizens are lead almost totally by middle aged white males who claim to be heterosexual?
That last issue is not a right v left one as part of that discussion would also be about the dearth of true fundies in Congress as much as it would be about the lack of an openly gay group of legislators working across party lines to ensure that gay citizens weren’t always given the rough end of the pineapple.
I could blather on but the fact is that groups of amerikans; left leaning or not-right thinking are far more diverse than the white men of Congress. The white men of the demopublicans wil be just as opposed to any attempt at diversifying Congress as the elephants.
Which is why as challenging as it sounds, in the end it will be down to every citizen to take their rights back.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 3 2006 23:42 utc | 32

Shouldn’t we do this for the Executive office/branch the most powerful and dangerous office in the land?
Database of 11 million job applicants’ honesty/psych tests
Snip:
Over the past few years, personality assessment tests have moved from the realm of experiment to standard practice at many of the nation’s largest companies, including the Albertson’s grocery chain and retailers such as Neiman Marcus and Target. A recent survey found that about 30 percent of all companies use personality tests in hiring. To many companies, the tests are as important, if not more important, than an applicant’s education, experience and recommendations.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 4 2006 0:18 utc | 33

@DID,
why is it that a nation of racially, sexually, and culturally diverse citizens are lead almost totally by middle aged white males who claim to be heterosexual?
Don’t get me started!!!!!
First of all, about emphasis in discussing so-called minorities. As an oppressed demographic, women far outnumber gays. Women are not a minority.
Second, despite the whiteness maleness and [assumed] straightness of the leaders, gay rights are recently moving forward while women’s rights are recently moving backward.
Third, I am dismayed that white male-dominated political parties such as the Greens and the Democrats basically pay lip service to the rights of women, while doing damn little to pay attention to women’s real concerns, recruit/promote/finance women candidates, vote for women, or address the institutional sexism still preventing women from, for example, matching the level of economic power achieved by gays, who make up a much smaller demographic and who are much less likely to end up in poverty than women.
Just sayin’.

Posted by: gylangirl | Jan 4 2006 0:58 utc | 34

@Uncle I must admit to being gobsmacked at your link on applicant testing.
I spent a year or two in the recruitment industry and testing was largely discredited by the late 80’s. Why?
Well for a start, like IQ tests or any other type of alleged ‘objective’ assessment no matter how hard the test writer tries to make the test as neutral as possible, the tests are always culturally subjective. That is; the way that different groups of people process the same concepts/statements differently will ensure that some cultures will always ‘do better’ than others. Yet give the same diverse groups lengthy and well constructed ‘values’ assessments and the spread of values will be mirrored across the different groups. Nothing surprising in that. People have the same range of reactions to thieves, liars , murderers, heros or the truly dedicated in any culture but the way they express that value is likely to vary hugely between, cultures, languages and belief systems.
These tests which have been simplified to the point of stupidity make it very easy to ‘beat the box’.
I mean if you were in the unfortunate position of having to apply for a job as cashier in a large supermarket chain what response do you think might be the one most likely to satisfy an employer who asked “to what degree they agreed or disagreed with statements such as, “It’s maddening when the court lets guilty criminals go free,” “You don’t worry about making a good impression” and “You could describe yourself as ‘tidy’.”
Yet if tidiness were really such an issue with the particular vacancy the person was applying for, walking the applicant back to their car after interview would be a much better way of establishing that person’s committment to neatness.
Which takes us to the next problem with testing when the same test is applied across a range of different occupations requiring a range of different skills.
That is employers frequently include selection criteria which they consider to be vital but which when the skillset for the job is objectively assessed is completely irrelevant.
Neatness would be one that would fall into that category because although it can matter a great deal for a builder doing maintenance work in large shopping complex it is really totally irrelevant as far as the cashiers are concerned yet which is more likely to be tested and rejected on the grounds of untidiness by a dull employer?
At the end of the labour market where these tests are being used few applicants will be 100% on all criteria so it is vital that applicants only be measured against the criteria essential for completing the various tasks the occupation requires.
However I must confess apart from the injustices that can be inflicted upon jobseekers I have a great deal of difficulty caring about the fact that WalMart are wasting time and resources on ineffective recruitment methodology.
It has been demonstrated time and time again that the person best suited to select a staffmember is that person’s prospective employer or co-worker.
Wal-Mart would probably regard that suggestion with a mixture of shock and amazement on the grounds that this may lead to the development of relationships detrimental to Wal-Marts objectives, ie the supervisor may choose to only hire people supportive of organised labour.
There are a few anecdotes to that effect around so that is the way most big employers go and they dismiss the idea that most people respond to responsibility, responsibly.
Of course just as insidious are the tests that organisations give to those workers unfortunate enough to be on a large corporation’s career path.
I stay as far away from large organisations as I can nowadays but there was a time when being subjected to to the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator at the start of a stay over ‘team building exercise’ was almost mandatory.
Carl jung was a really interesting person and I don’t want to offend anyone who considers him to be one of their ‘main men’ but even if Myers & Briggs had been successful in devising a test that accurately assessed people according to Jung’s definition of personality type, and that is a big if, I really don’t see how Jung’s almost mystical concepts can be successfully used to assess whether one person or another would be better at crunching numbers or interacting with clients. Asking people what they like doing and then trying them out in it is rather more effective.
Same goes for staff development. A quick and dirty skills and attitudinal assessment based upon two people intercting with each other is far more likely to give a good indication of a staff members development needs.
Since there are one or two psychologists frequenting MoA I would be interested to hear their response to this issue.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 4 2006 1:43 utc | 35

fauxreal and Did, brilliant.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 4 2006 2:56 utc | 36

Unembedded: Four photojournalists on the war in Iraq
….And that’s it, isn’t it? Embedded with US troops means that you are only with them, you only see what they see, only understand what they understand. You are covering the war (engagement, conflict, whatever…) strictly from their perspective. And that is where things start to go very, very badly, that is where we become people who know only one version of the events; that is where it becomes very easy for us to be mislead.
That is where we are today.

Posted by: kw | Jan 4 2006 4:22 utc | 37

b,
Harry Reid and Byron Dorgan took Abramoff’s money, among a few other Dems. (The linked right wing blog and comments give you just a taste of how the fight will be waged.) In Reid’s case, he has long opposed extension of gambling businesses to protect Nevada’s gambling interests so Abramoff gave him money just to support an ally of convenience in his own little swindle. I’m not suggesting Repub/Dem corruption equivalency in my post, esp since Reid was not aware of Abramoff’s game, but that doesn’t matter in the PR battle. The Republican noise machine can win the PR game just by pointing at Dems who took Abramoff’s money and repeating it over and over. Everything else is details and who has time for that? Right wingers have their talking point ammo and people who really want to understand just hear charges and counter-charges, throw up their hands and give up trying to figure out what happened. Sad, but that is the way the game is played here and it works.
Debs,
I’m not a Democrat (or Republican) and am under no illusions about about one party being any more or less inclined toward corruption than another. Right now though, the Republicans have all the power and attract most of the money – so are the most corrupt. Further, their base includes the corporate and monied class and they are delighted to spread it around among their favorite Repubs for favors. Most of the present day corruption is Republican because they have the power though the in-your-face nature of it is a Republican quality. (Dems usually deny, excuse, or plead extenuating circumstances when caught; Repubs just shrug and say “so what, it was nothing really”, cry “partisan slander!” or tell you to “go fuck yourself” when caught.) I know full well that all will not be better if we just return Dems to power. Only by taking corporate money out of politics (starting with eliminating the absurd legal fiction of corporate personhood) can we begin to rein in some of the blatant corruption in US govt.
It would also help if the populace could trancend the left v right, liberal v conservative, Repub v Dem conceptual trap we are now in. Spectator sports is a horrible model on which to base social policy decisions.

Posted by: lonesomeG | Jan 4 2006 7:11 utc | 38

Well said lonesomeG. I’ve always said, “360 degrees from fucked-up is still fucked-up.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 4 2006 7:29 utc | 39

A unhappy man in the black fedora. A short portrait of Jack A. pledging guilty.

Posted by: b | Jan 4 2006 8:58 utc | 40

Souvereign Iraq? Sure, but only with U.S. cronies in the lead.
Iraq Wants U.S. Choice Out as Chief Of Brigade

Over the strong objections of U.S. commanders in Baghdad, the Iraqi government has nominated a new leader for a brigade that is set to assume control over some of the capital’s most sensitive areas. This dispute appears likely to postpone an already overdue handover by American forces for at least another month.

.. a transfer ceremony that was to be attended by top generals was canceled three days beforehand, after Iraq’s Defense Ministry said it would not approve the officer groomed by U.S. forces since August to command the unit, Col. Muhammed Wasif Taha, a 23-year Iraqi army veteran.

American officers who work with the unit reevaluated the brigade without Taha in charge and lowered its readiness rating from Level 1, meaning it can operate without U.S. assistance, to Level 3, which means significant help is required. That rating, in force for a month, made it officially unqualified for the proposed new responsibilities.

Posted by: b | Jan 4 2006 9:02 utc | 41

I am “out of my depth” in evaluating the discussion and comments to the latest post at Josh Landis’ SyriaComment.com
blog, but it seems to offer a refreshingly deep and illuminating view of some pressing questions regarding Syria, Lebanon, and Israel. Naturally, the trolls are present (in the comments) but overall I find the discussion to be excellent, a useful antidote to reductive views of Syria as it is today. I should mention that this blog was recommended by one of our infrequent visitors “Joe”. There are some highly interesting “nuggets” to be gleaned here, and in particular I would love to have someone follow up on the reference to the
reports in Maariv.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 4 2006 9:58 utc | 42

“It is not our job to seek peaceful coexistence with the Left. Our job is to remove them from power permanently.”
Jack Abramoff, 1983.
It is times like this that my capacity not to engage in petty Schadenfreude is sorely tested.

Posted by: Monolycus | Jan 4 2006 17:46 utc | 43

hannah, for some reason i am having trouble opening that link, but i was just reading about the new tourist attraction this morning and getting more and more pissed off. turning over some of their land to the christians is one thing, turning over syrian land is another.
Plans for Holy Land theme park on Galilee shore where Jesus fed the 5,000

A major part of the shore of the Sea of Galilee was Syrian until it was conquered by Israel in 1967. Syria and Israel are still officially in a state of war and Syria insists the return of the Golan Heights and the Galilee shore is a prerequisite for peace.
Uri Dagul, the project coordinator, said the land issues would be concluded within a few weeks and then the final details would be agreed between the Israeli government and the Christian communities which are primarily American evangelical churches.

Posted by: annie | Jan 4 2006 17:52 utc | 44

Debs I agree with what you wrote. (And I even teach HR pyschology – gonna hafta quit soon!)
The ‘testing’ of various types fulfills a different function: it signals to the aspirant employee, you must conform; you must allow questioning, testing; you must reveal your personality, your thoughts, if we demand; you must show clean hands, bow down. It is an initation ritual of a most pernicious type. It has no ‘selective’ use beyond attitudinal indoctrination (lets not forget the money earned by the ‘specialists’ who do the testing or sold the tests to the company…huge amounts of money are made…)
There have even been studies that showed that picking ppl on their qualifications only was superior to any kind of testing, or even interview.
The rigmarole goes on because people need jobs – there aren’t enough of those, and psychologist and HR specialists have capitalised on the difficulty of ‘choice’ employers gleefully think they face.
Then, there is the corporatocracy – Brave New World, all that.

Posted by: Noisette | Jan 4 2006 18:01 utc | 45

Assistannt AG Alice Fisher — in charge of Abramoff investigation — a bonafide political hack.

“There have been reports that she has had ties to Congressman Tom DeLay’s defense team.”
~ Senator Patrick Leahy, May 2005

Bernard posted previously about her appointment, here.
Also, re: NSA scandal — Amy Goodman’s interview with former NSA whistleblower, Russell Tice.

Posted by: manonfyre | Jan 4 2006 20:06 utc | 46

oops.
Russell Tice link.

Posted by: manonfyre | Jan 4 2006 20:10 utc | 47

How To Conceal The Unacceptable Face Of Capitalism 101
When a bunch of people are killed because your corporation in concert with the government has decided that their lives matter less than the bottom line; the first ploy of the skilled ‘fact massager’ must be exactly the same as any other cheap conjurer ie Distraction.
Rather that than have the great unwashed needlessly upset.
Possibly even howling for the blood of aforesaid corporation, or even, heaven forfend, government officials or legislators.
Distract them and get them turning in on each other by criticising the rescuers. These are the only people who actually risked their own lives for the West Virginia coalminers(for that’s who I’m talking about) and we don’t need any hillbilly heroes in the US.
At first glance this seems like a high risk strategy but watch over the next day or so as ‘cooler heads’ in the media prevail.
The masses, already aware of their own propensity for ‘shooting the messenger’or ‘pointing the finger’ in times of disaster, know deep down how easily a ‘mix-up’ like the report that 12 miners (11 of which were corpses) found, can be confused to the point where 12 miners become 12 breathing, extant humans.
So over the next couple of days the company is going to cop a bit of a shellacking for not having very good communication systems. (Kinda ironic really. Since they are obviously very good. To the point where the communications division offers themselves up as the distraction)
It won’t be until the hubbubb dies down that people will even get an inkling of what the true issues were.
They will finally get a hint of how it was in the 21st century, that 12 men could die the same way that men have been dying in West Virginia mines since the 1790’s. This was when the people of Wheeling would mine coal for their winter heating.
Of course once this issue surfaces, the people pointing this out will be like a voice in the wilderness. The rest of the masses will have moved on to the next big thing, hopefully less of an ‘downer’ than those damn hillbillies dying.
The New York Times is as good a place as any to check out how a ‘story’ is being covered.
The article which is currently the lead ‘tease’ on page one of the NYT web page is headlined:
After Reports to the Contrary, Only One Miner Survives
The article is 3 web pages long and the first two and a half tell us :

“The news that arrived just before midnight could not have been better: all but one of the 12 men still trapped in a West Virginia coal mine had been saved. But the news that arrived more than two hours later was tragedy compounded: all but one had in fact died.”….
….”Bennett K. Hatfield, the chief executive of International Coal Group, the mine’s owner, said that the “miscommunication” occurred when rescuers in the mine called up to a command center at the mine’s edge. The rescuers said that they had found the 12 miners and were checking their vital signs, meaning they were checking to see if any were alive, Mr. Hatfield said at a news briefing this morning.”….
….”President Bush expressed condolences this morning for the victims and their loved ones. He also praised Gov. Joe Manchin III, who had joined in the jubilation at the church, “for his compassion” and those involved in the rescue effort for their courage, but made no mention of the false report.”….
….”Today, the head of the company that owns the West Virginia mine expressed regret for “the roller coaster” that relatives were subjected to but described the events as the result of an honest mistake.
At a news conference this morning, Mr. Hatfield said that he waited to correct the false impression even after a second call from the rescuers made it clear that the first call had been misunderstood. He said he waited because it was not clear then whether all 12 were dead or just some of them.”….

Yep 2 1/2 pages of maudlin over emotive claptrap about the ‘rollercoaster’ of emotions the miner’s families were put through. You call that a cover up? What could be worse than that?
Try this. About halfway down the last page of the NYT article in a place that a great many people won’t get to. No one really likes peeking into another’s distress for too long.

“Federal inspectors fined the Sago mine more than $24,000 for roughly 202 violations in 2005, according to federal records.
The total monetary figure is likely to rise substantially because the federal mine-safety agency has yet to put a dollar figure on some citations.
The most serious of these citations are 16 “unwarrantable failure orders,” which are problems that an operator knows exist but fails to correct.”….
….”Under the Bush administration, the citing of unwarrantable failures has gone down dramatically,” said Tony Oppegard, a top federal mine official in the Clinton administration and a former prosecutor of mine-safety violations in Kentucky. “So to see a rash of unwarrantable failures under this administration is a telling sign of a mine with serious safety problems.”….
….”Since June, the mine has experienced 15 roof falls or wall collapses, with three causing injuries to miners, according to federal records. That is an unusually high number, Mr. Oppegard said, “and it’s indicative of roof-control problems.”

Even then the NYT comes to the rescue of the assholes who let these men die for money.

“Asked about the violations on Tuesday, Mr. Hatfield said the mine’s “bad history” had occurred before his company took it over last year, adding that dramatic improvements had been made since then.
The cause of the blast remained a mystery. Company officials said that the mine did not have a history of methane gas problems and that air testing conducted before the explosion found no evidence of methane, a highly combustible gas.”

“See it wasn’t me m’lud” “Twas them others who came before you see”
We are also told that the mine had no history of methane gas problems, which is presumably good although we aren’t told how that changes anything.
I would guess that this little snippet is meant to inform that this disaster was a complete surprise.
That the huge number of safety violations are just the cost of doing business in a country overrun with sticky beaked guvmint bureaucrats.
It will be lapped up. Checking the story around the world eg England and New Zealand shows us that the NYT format is the one that the majority of media outlets have stuck to.
Yeah yeah. I know. To many it seems like this whole story is a furphy to distract from the Abrahamoff guilty plea.
Think about this.
A far more skilled media manipulator than I, say one of the NYT reporters, could easily weave the two together and show that the end result of influence peddling, ie the government going ‘easy’ on K street clients, resulted in the deaths of amerikans like these miners.
We can’t do that now can we?
Instead let’s see the families tearfully climbing into their gas guzzling pick-ups complete with the stars and bars on the back window.
It is there they will decide the best option for poor (fill in the blank)’s son will be the armed forces. It sounds like Iraq is getting safer by the minute and nothing could be as dangerous as coal mining. Could it?

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 4 2006 20:11 utc | 48

Debs- when I, and I assume Floyd and Uncle $cam, talk about the establishment stopping Bush, I do not mean to in any way imply partisan politics in that action. If I remember my small intro to elite theory in politics, it’s a mistake to refer to elites in society as tho they are of one mind, or that they don’t compete with one another for favoritism, etc….and there is a media elite, a political elite and business elite (and subsections of this…right now I’d say the oil biz had disproportionate influence…also the pharma elite…), a banking elite (and sometimes these defs. overlap) etc. and it is the powerful from these groups who must realize that it is in the best interest of this country to bring down this junta.
otherwise, yes, ppl can strike, can march in the streets, can call their congresspeople, etc . but if the money that funds all the institutional power in America doesn’t recognize it is better off without the current junta, they will be hard to bring down by everyday ppl who do not control the news cycle,etc… most Americans do not read blogs. Most get their news, the bits they get, from maybe thirty minutes of news a night.
but it is in the interests of the elite to bring them down because, although they may really rake it in with the repukes, the stock market does better with dems, the economy does better, and there is less reason for more ppl to fight to bring down all the power structures.
I’m obviously no scholar in any subject, but from what I know, one of the BIG problems with the left during the time was an unwillingness to compromise…to win something rather than have nothing, and worse than nothing, by compromise. It makes me angry to compromise, but this country moved so far to the right because the extreme right was willing to compromise until they had this moment to seize power.
and the corporocrats were so afraid of bolshevism that they preferred fascism, even after they knew this group had no time for rule of law. That’s where I see we are now, and why I saw the establishment elite will have to bring down the junta. they’ve gained too much institutional power now. Hitler used the political offices available to him to create his dictatorship…he didn’t suddenly appear out of thin air and declare that he hated jews and bolsheviks (oftentimes the same group). And you know the part about Germany refighting a war it lost…our economy isn’t as totally scary for the moment, but how much of it is built on lies, and how much has Bush allowed his cronies to loot the treasury?
anyway, long digression to say that elites are not always bad in their actions. They supported desegregation long before the masses did..and still do. Of course, at the same time, they don’t generally support educational and economic reforms that can break the patterns of poverty…but neither do the masses, for the most part.
so, yeah, I agree with Floyd because I do not see any white Americans willing, in large enough numbers, to sit in front of the white house and tell Bush to get out, to go to Den Hague to face charges for torture…lots of us were in the streets before the war, and that didn’t make a damn bit of difference. I don’t see how it can matter more now.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 4 2006 20:11 utc | 49

that should have read…
but from what I know, one of the BIG problems with the left during the time of Hitler’s ascension and consolidation of power was an unwillingness to compromise…
and re: Myers-Briggs, etc…I’ve only taken the test once by anyone who considered it worthwhile (and I have to admit I am automatically…uh, skeptical of anyone who thinks they matter…) is that NONE of the answers is usually my response, because the choices really do not take into consideration situational decisions, attitudes, etc. –not to mention that I think tarot (like Jung) is about as accurate. how you respond, feel, etc. is so dependent upon so many environmental factors, blah, blah…
I love the “just so” stories of quantum physics. And they are “just so,” and can help me see the world differently, but they can’t (since I’m not a physics prof, etc.) put bread on my table or change the oil in my car, or determine if I would prefer to start a project or end one (btw, starting stuff is my strength…I’m bad at endings of any kind…)
all someone had to do was ask and I could have told them that.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 4 2006 20:29 utc | 50

@fauxreal I can see what you’re saying and you’re right that in the end the ‘establishment’ will be the cohort that ‘calls the shots’ and brings BushCo down.
The thing is though they will only do that if all alternatives appear worse. Throwing out BushCo is a risky endeavour indeed and certainly not without the danger of severe ‘blowback’.
I believe the time for compromise is long gone. That ‘doing deals’ in congress is exactly what has brought your republic undone.
The only way to turn this around using the rule of law, is if the population puts enough pressure on the legislators who are then aware that their future depends upon ceasing the BushCo/Rethug future.
Anything else will just be a symptomatic treatment that will guarantee the US will be in a far worse predicament in the near future.
My point was that the western culture is very much a ‘youth culture’. This probably began by accident. For example the difference between the experiences of the ‘diggers’ which were those raised in the great depression and who then went on to fight Hitler and the ‘baby boomers’ raised in the era of Keynsian hope and prosperity who were being asked to kill those who to quote Mohammed Ali “had never called me nigger” meant that these two generations would be practically at war with one another.
Young people do tend to spend more ‘disposable’ income so these differences were exploited by elites to sell, cajole and rule.
This has created a syndrome where people assess the propensity for change by listening to youth.
Youth are an important segment of any society’s population. They aren’t the only important segment or even the most important segment but looking at the way our culture sees itself anyone could be forgiven for thinking so.
Therefore unless a large chunk of young people passionately oppose the fascism now brutally apparent throughout society, the politicians who are always worried about which way to be seen jumping won’t bother with anything more than a quick whitewash job.
If they think that a cultural revolution of the strength of the one in the 1960’s may occur, then they will be falling over themselves to get on the correct side of history.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 4 2006 20:52 utc | 51

Debs- youth are the group that votes the least around here, so hope to appeal to youth and get them out for your issues is a big deal, but at election time, the politicians surely know they’d do well to listen to polls coming from regular voters.
and regular voters here oppose Bush, and have ever since Plame became a issue beyond the political junkie flop houses online. if the media told the truth, told what has been happening, put it into an historical context, they could sway public opinion to totally reject the junta.
today a story played on democracy now about DeLay’s ties to Abramoff in Sipan (excuse my bad spelling) and the use of forced abortions for young women kept in virtual labor camps to work in sweat shops for Ralph Lauren and Tommy Hilfinger, etc.) Do the right to lifers side with DeLay, or with a woman who is forced to have an abortion? why isn’t this info repeated ad nauseum on CNN?
Is it true or isn’t it? apparently ABC news did a report on DeLay meeting Abramhoff there a few years ago.
Single issue voters get out and vote when they’re pissed. why doesn’t this piss them off? why wouldn’t Falwell, etc. bring this to their attention at one of those “justice sunday” moments?
And as far as symptomatic versus the illness…I agree that another Iran-Contra cover up will not do. Look at where that got us today. The ppl behind that police state action are behind this one. So, yes, I agree the elite/establishment has to recognize this for what it is, which is what Floyd was saying…
THIS IS THE DO OR DIE MOMENT for democracy in America right now, in the same way that the attempted assassination of FDR by corporate fascists (via the DuPonts and J.P. Morgan, et al) was a do or die moment for democracy that one man, Gen. Smedley Butler, stopped.
He was part of the elite, despite his populist sentiment, because of his war record, and because he stood for the troops in the Bonus March while Patton and McArthur rode horses into the troop camp and didn’t care if they killed them or not.
so, that’s the choice right now. Butler’s patriotism or Patton’s butt fucking for power.
both of them were effective generals. one of them kept his soul.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 4 2006 21:21 utc | 52

SHARON Suffers a Cerebral Hemorrhage

Sharon, 77, suffered a “significant” stroke and was brought to Jerusalem’s Hadassah Hospital from his ranch in the Negev desert, an official said. Channel 2 TV said Sharon was suffering from paralysis in his lower body and was taken into the hospital on a stretcher.
Dr. Shlomo Mor-Yosef, the hospital’s director general, said Sharon was under general anesthetic and was receiving breathing assistance while doctors assessed his condition.
A few minutes later, Mor-Yosef emerged to say that initial tests showed Sharon had suffered a cerebral hemorrhage, or bleeding in his brain.

Posted by: annie | Jan 4 2006 22:11 utc | 53

Sharon dying (when it happens) means one less war criminal thug in the world as far as I’m concerned.
I won’t shed any tears. On the contrary.

Posted by: ran | Jan 5 2006 0:55 utc | 54

I don’t subscribe to the ‘higher power’ theory of life and have always felt ‘karma’ to be the unconscious consequence of repressed guilt.
Asshole the war crim doesn’t act like he has a guilty bone in his body in which case hopefully his stroke will leave him a drooling idiot on the outside, incapable of wiping his own ass but on the inside he will be aware enough to fully comprehend his miserable condition.
In which case I would take a higher power, guilt, or straight bad luck as the root cause quite happily.
If that sounds harsh so be it. I still remember Jomo Kenyatta’s words when Hendrik Verwoerd considered the architect of apartheid and then president of South Africa was assassinated in 1966. “As a black African I want to jump for joy but as a human being I must grieve this senseless death.”
I feel no such qualms about asshole the war crim, who seemed to be much sicker than a ‘mild’ stroke would allow. He was far too quick to jump back in the saddle and I’ve never really heard of a ‘mild’ stroke. I watched my father who I only felt slightly more kindly towards than asshole the war crim die of cerebral hemorrhages and a small stroke is almost inevitably followed by a large and extremely debilitating stroke.
In the next few days while the MSM wrings its hands in ‘shock’ and ‘grief’ we should push any feelings of empathy for asshole the war crim we may have to one side.
Instead we should think about the largely forgotten women and children of Sabra and Chatila. Nearly 2000 of them were slaughtered in direct contradiction of assurances asshole had given his US backers. Slaughtered by troops under the direct control of the war crim. When it appeared that the truth would finally out, the primary witness against this lowlife died in a Beruit car bombing.
We should also remeber the dead of Jenin How quickly these names pass only to be superseded by a new horror!

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2006 1:00 utc | 55

“Asshole the war crim doesn’t act like he has a guilty bone in his body in which case hopefully his stroke will leave him a drooling idiot on the outside, incapable of wiping his own ass but on the inside he will be aware enough to fully comprehend his miserable condition.” I like that. He’ll tango with Arafat soon enough.

Posted by: beq | Jan 5 2006 1:09 utc | 56

fauxreal-
I agree with your brilliant deconstruction of the deflecting coverage in the NYT. I realize that being a reporter for the NYT involves a lot of skill. First, internalizing elite values to minimize internal conflict, and secondly, finding ways to deflect coverage, as you have portrayed, when elite values are at risk.
Remember, all elite New Yorker finance types care about is the stock price, not the labor conditions. As an aside, I remember being at a large rally in the summer of ’89 for the Pittston Coal Strike in Carbo, VA. What a day! I got to meet Richard Trumka and Jessie Jackson. There were about 5,000 people all gathered on a large field on a beautiful late summer afternoon. Bread and Puppet had driven down from Vermont, in solidarity, and their huge puppets were catching the sun and bobbing up and down over everyone’s heads. Jessie swept in, tall and handsome and confident, radiating an almost god-like charisma. This was white hillbilly country and you could have counted all the black people in attendance on your hands, after you had suffered an industrial accident! A nervous hush fell over the crowd when Jessie got up to speak. This wasn’t exactly the Rainbow coalition around him, and the MSM was doing its best to inform any liberal doubters, like us, that Jessie was running around calling Jews “kikes” and New York “Kiketown.” I have never heard anybody speak like Jessie. It was also obvious that this was after the election, and he didn’t need to be there. Man, he won over that crowd like a preacher giving away free tickets to heaven. Now that was a politician. But what brings this story to mind, is that in this exact case the CEO of Pittston was some New York corporate raider type who actually lived on Park Avenue, and he made it clear in his public statements, which were Bush-like in their vitriol and confrontationality, that he didn’t give two shits about the miners and their concerns.
But, as far as the accident itself, I imagine the situation is much the same as when I worked in the oil refinery: Everybody there knows what really happened, but you will never hear about it in the press. And the reason is liability. With deaths there will be lawsuits. The company will attempt to implicate the workers for negligence and not following procedure. The union will bring up past grievances demonstrating company dereliction. If there are outside contractors, highly likely, like pipefitters or safety inspectors, the finger will be pointed at them too. And, of course, the insurance people will be down in droves attempting to demonstrate where the contract was broken, so they don’t have to pay. The lawyers are probably booking every hotel room in sight and filling up every restaurant with cigar smoke, and cheap perfume from their “traveling secretaries.” Oh boy, what a capitalist melee. Every emotion will be felt by the participants, but Justice will be nowhere in sight. Hopefully, there is a budding Waugh, or Tom Wolfe type to write about it.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 5 2006 2:10 utc | 57

ran, i know this is gross but i don’t want him to die. since the only hell i believe in is the one on earth i would like him to go thru a period of ‘significant disability’

Haemorrhagic strokes are more rare and fatal than ischemic strokes. Medical studies show that up to 38 per cent of brain haemorrhages cause death within 30 days. About half of the people who survive a stroke will be left with significant disability.

i know this doesn’t reflect my best side, so be it.
Malooga, i love it when you share your history. after you had suffered an industrial accident! lol
i also had the opportunity to be led in prayer by jesse jackson. it was at the rethugs convention protest in nyc 04. i was very close to the front almost close enough to reach out and touch him. after several blocks when the march approached penn station spme organizers stopped the crowd and he appeared . everyone became very quiet, the streets were lined w/cops w/gear, 100’s convention suits were elevated above us watching us like monkeys. jesses words brought tears to my eyes. when he stopped we crossed in front of the station ‘this is what democracy looks like’. very tense moments indeed.

Posted by: annie | Jan 5 2006 2:30 utc | 58

b-
I hope you set up a separate thread for the wilted rose of Sharon.
Debs-
You are wrong medically about strokes.
One can have very mild strokes, so mild as to be unsure if you actually had them. In older people, dementia is frequently caused by a series of these undiagnosed strokes. Called TIAs, transient ischemic attacks are minor or warning strokes. In a TIA, conditions indicative of an ischemic stroke are present and the typical stroke warning signs develop. However, the obstruction (blood clot) occurs for a short time and tends to resolve itself through normal mechanisms.
Even though the symptoms disappear after a short time, TIAs are strong indicators of a possible major stroke. Steps should be taken immediately to prevent a stroke.
Most common are ischemic, or clot types of strokes, which acount for 80% of all occurances. Again, there are two sub-types of these. Cerebral embolism refers generally to a blood clot that forms at another location in the circulatory system, usually the heart and large arteries of the upper chest and neck. A portion of the blood clot breaks loose, enters the bloodstream and travels through the brain’s blood vessels until it reaches vessels too small to let it pass. A second important cause of embolism is an irregular heartbeat, known as atrial fibrillation. It creates conditions where clots can form in the heart, dislodge and travel to the brain.
As doctors announced that they had found a heart problem after Sharon’s first stroke, and he was due to have had surgery for it tomorrow, this is almost assuredly the type of stroke Sharon first suffered.
The last type of stroke, which my mother had and almost killed her, though she largely recovered from, are hemorrhagic strokes, which results from a weakened vessel that ruptures and bleeds into the surrounding brain. The blood accumulates and compresses the surrounding brain tissue. Again, there are two sub-types of these. This is the type of stroke Sharon had tonight.
Now, I’m not a doctor (Is there a doctor in the house?), so I’m not 100% sure of this, but after Sharon’s first stroke he was probably given medication to reduce his chance of forming a clot. The side effect of this can be a greater tendency to bleed. If he already had a weak blood vessel in his brain, the medication could have precipitated the second stroke. It is even possible that he could have been given too large a dose on purpose to finish him off, though that is highly unlikely. If it did happen, it undoubtably came from the right, as Bibi seems to be the big winner in all of this.
What effect this will have on Israeli politics remains to be seen. It is even possible that the old war horse himself, Peres, may be led back from pasture and finally see his day in the sun. Will Labor use this opportunity to distance themselves from Kadima, or will they now triangulate even more?

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 5 2006 2:40 utc | 59

annie-
My whole life has been one long industrial accident, in slow motion. Jessie is still Jessie, but he has lost a step or two since the ’80’s.
After the compliment, I’ll bore you with my story of the Rethug convention. The radio station I’m involved with in Boston did a whole afternoon of live coverage. We sent two reporters down to NY to cover the convention. And I remained in Boston holding down the entire fort! I was the on-air broadcaster and held down the control board. I alternated live broadcasts and interviews from our two reporters with feeds from Indymedia and an Anarchist feed. In between, on air, I read off the news from the Indymedia wire, read details about the individual protest actions (There were over 250 separate protests taking place aroun NY that week.) from two computers in front of me, played protest songs, and took calls from listeners.
What a hoot! I had so much fun. We scooped everybody, including Indymedia, with our coverage of the coffins by 34th st. and the dragon which caught fire just past Penn Station. And, all along, I was very much reminded of the 1982 protest against nuclear weapons which brought out a cool 1M people! There I marched with 1199. I think it took us 5 hours to get from 59th st. to the speakers in the park.
Anyway, we got many compliments on our coverage, and I had almost as much fun as being there.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 5 2006 3:04 utc | 60

@ Malooga I’ve no doubt you are technically correct about strokes and their severity. The point I was trying to make was that when asshole had his first stroke mild or severe; a ‘normal’ person who wasn’t alternately spewing vitriol at the helpless and sucking as much material benefit as possible out of everyone else, would have ‘put their feet up’for a bit. Having your first stroke whether it be medically mild or severe is kind of a major milestone in your life.
Instead the war crim went out of his way to pretend all was well.
He was desperate to prove that he was still the potent force in Israeli politics, when in fact since even before the stroke he has looked more like a raged out bull so depleted that his balls drag along in the mud behind him.
Asshole couldn’t risk that; either because he needed one more term to collect backhanders or because he hadn’t completed moving his ‘share’ of profits and kickbacks from illegal settlement development away from prying eyes and possible recovery by astute investigators.
I suspect that asshole’s demise must leave the Labour Party (although in Israel that’s not saying much) in the box seat. The war crim knew that the people couldn’t bring themselves to so openly support the murderers, torturers and thieves by voting for Likud once more so asshole plonked himself in the middle to block the flow of votes back to Labour.
Now that he has gone I think that the media will no longer be able to pretend that Kadima is Likud’s only viable opponent. Peres must be shy on credibility by now, he’s hawked his fork amongst the voters for so long that giving his name the tick must feel like throwing the proverbial salami up the alley.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2006 3:12 utc | 61

cool, did you save the coverage, any links?
part of the strangness of the day was the way they had blocked off at least 20 blocks below the entrance of the march to store the marchers , then slowly fed them onto the path. after penn station we all turned right and after a few blocks right again so the path became a horseshoe leading back to the original area. by the time i had finished the path there were still thousands and thousands of people waiting to feed into the march. in this way there was no way to assess the actual size of the march. certainly no view except from helicopters which of course no photos were released, this is why they didn’t want it in central park. near penn station i ask a man standing on a firetruck how far it seemed the crowd extended, he replied ‘as far as the eye can see’
after Sharon’s first stroke he was probably given medication to reduce his chance of forming a clot.

Mr Sharon was said to be under anaesthetic as he was given a battery of tests before being sent to the operating theatre. He had been receiving blood-thinning medication ahead of today’s scheduled procedure.

from the significant disability link, he was taking the medication

Posted by: annie | Jan 5 2006 3:32 utc | 62

annie, as an atheist I too believe you get your punishment in this life or not at all, so I have to agree with you and Debs that having the grossly obese mass murderer suffer for awhile has a certain poetic justice about it.

Posted by: ran | Jan 5 2006 3:51 utc | 63

Mine where 12 died in NY money man’s portfolio
Again, publicize the investor who quintupled his capital in two years buying coal mines, and minimize any industrial safety issues in the last paragraph.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 5 2006 4:04 utc | 64

@annie- I have most of it on CD (sometimes I was too busy to notice the recording was over), but it’s not on line.
@debs- I agree with you politically, but disagree medically. A stroke can be a small event that doesn’t change your life. Here in Boston we have a professioanl football player-Teddy Bruschi sp.?–who had a much worse surprise stroke last year because of a similar heart defect and went back to playing violent american football this year with the doctor’s blessing.
This article corroborates what I said medically (boy, would I hate to be the doctor who prescribed the blood thinners):
(CNN) — Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered massive bleeding in his brain from a type of stroke called a cerebral hemorrhage, his doctors said Wednesday.
A cerebral hemorrhage happens when small blood vessels bleed in the brain and cause a blood clot. This causes pressure on the brain, eventually killing normal brain cells, which can cause permanent disability or death.
It was Sharon’s second brain attack in less than three weeks. After the first, he was put on blood-thinning medications which may have contributed to the hemorrhage.
Having a previous stroke, having high blood pressure or smoking can increase a person’s chances of having a stroke.
Sharon was taken by ambulance Wednesday to the hospital after complaining of chest pain and weakness, said Ra’anan Gissin, his senior adviser. He was conscious when he arrived at the hospital, Gissin said.
“After that, apparently there was some worsening of the condition,” he said.
Doctors sedated Sharon and performed an MRI scan, Gissin said. They diagnosed a cerebral hemorrhage and he was taken into surgery to remove the blood, a procedure which was expected to take several hours.
Sharon had suffered a smaller stroke caused by a blood clot on December 18. He never lost consciousness during that incident, according to Tamir Ben Hur, head of neurology at Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital.
“There was no slurring. He was not confused. He suffered from a certain difficulty in speaking. A small blood clot briefly blocked a blood vessel in his brain,” the doctor said.
Ben Hur said the clot was dissolved by medication, adding, “Our comprehensive investigation has shown definitely that the stroke will not leave any damage or traces.”

It was during treatment for the first stroke that doctors discovered he had a small hole in his heart that could have led to the formation of the clot that may have caused the mild stroke.
The second massive stroke came hours before scheduled surgery to repair the hole in his heart.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 5 2006 4:21 utc | 65

Buried away in the news pages by the Abramoff case is the conviction of one of Sharon’s sons in a scandal involving campaign finance Both [of Sharon’s sons] have been suspected of one financial scandal or another but on Tuesday Omri resigned his seat in the Knessett after being convicted for giving false testimony and forging documents in connection with the financing of Ariel’s bid for the leadership of Likud in 1999. Also, Calls directed at Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, to step down from office, are resonating from many prominent political personalities following a Channel 10 News report on Tuesday night that the prime minister received a $3 million payment from a sup… OHMYGAWDLOOKATTHETERRORISTBOMB!!!!
Fuck Sharon, I’d dance on his grave.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2006 5:28 utc | 66

Sure. It hard to imagine anyone looking more the part of an evil, corrupt, sadistic, venal, meglomaniacal, sclerotic walking id of a homunculus than Sharon. He is the personification of infinite appetite, a veritable Buddhist “Hungry Ghost”.
But we should resist believing that Sharon is the cause of Israel’s intransigent criminality anymore than believing that Bush is the cause of America’s. There is near unanimous support among the Israeli ruling elite for Sharon’s policies. And Israel’s economy is even more militarized than the US’s (third largest arms supplier in the world), perhaps it is the most militarized world-round, on a per capita basis. The agents of death need to continually exercize their abilities in order to justify them. In other words, Israel’s economy is one huge self reinforcing killing machine, or a Chomsky might say, “The second greatest purveyor of violence in the world.” Sharon is, or was, just its public face.
But what a face. Too bad he didn’t become an actor instead of a politician. Besides Shakespeare–Lear and the other tragic kings, I would have loved to see him play the part of the conservative government minister, Mr. Dindon, the head of the Tradition, Family and Morality Party in “La Cage aux Folles.” He’d be a real screamer in drag, making a quick exit in lipstick and heels!
So celebrate his passing. Dance on his grave. It will be large enough to invite all your friends, too. But not for so long that you neglect to oppose his sucessor just as much, for the policy won’t change with the leader.

Posted by: Malooga | Jan 5 2006 6:27 utc | 67

@ Malooga
But we should resist believing that Sharon is the cause of Israel’s intransigent criminality anymore than believing that Bush is the cause of America’s.
I concur, it is the philosophy/ideology, or better, the methodology not the person. These people are just the benevolent face, the simulacrum of a much darker agenda. As I have pointed out before it is like a virtual meme come to life, indeed, a sine qua non, of the complexity of a kinematic self healing/self replicating multi-network.

the language of antiterrorism is by now a well-established an rehearsed refrain, one frequently heard in the voices that make up American political culture. This should worry us since, to a certain extent, the penetration of that discourse into our ordinary language is a measure of the increasing militarization of our common life. The greater the ease with which we invoke the terrorist-as-enemy in our shock over the violence surrounding us, the more this refrain stands as witness to the internalisation that readies us for counterviolence. The more comfortable the language of antiterrorism is to us, the more familiar the terrorist figure who haunts us, the more entrenched that seizure of our political imagination becomes.

Fortin

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 5 2006 8:32 utc | 68

grrr, the above was me-Unka
and I forgot to say, damn good point Malooga. Classic Lateral Thinking, and trans lateral wholistic thinking.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2006 8:58 utc | 69