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January 5, 2006
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Data Mining 101: Finding Subversives with Amazon Wishlists Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2006 8:49 utc | 1 What is all the fuss about NBC’s investigation about the NSA spying on CNN’s Amanpour. The NY fucking Times has an op-ed suggesting that it would be good for democracy if we repealed the 22nd Amendment. You know, the one that says that Presidents can only have 2 terms. Posted by: Rowan | Jan 5 2006 9:33 utc | 3 Alas, some here may tak comfort in the opinion of UC Law’s Geof Stone where he pointed out in a tussle with Victoria Toensing on the radio yesterday, the bottom line is this: If the surveillance program is illegal and/or unconstitutional (he concludes it is both), the leak is not illegal. In fact, if the program was designated classified to cover up its illegality, that is a crime in and of itself. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2006 10:19 utc | 4 don’t know if anyone has mentioned it but the rude pundit and his brother have been visiting and reporting first hand from some of the worst hit katrina sites the past few days,and although unless you see it yourself its almost impossible to comprehend the scope of this diaster,he has done a very good job with comentary and pictures.tried to link but didn’t work.rudepundit.blogspot.com Posted by: onzaga | Jan 5 2006 11:05 utc | 5 @Uncle – Datamining 101 is really only 101. Just analysing Amozon wishlists is for beginners. I did some legal anonymous customer profile analysis for a communication service provider. Even though it was anonymous I was able to pick single persons out of millions with just few additional datapoints. People are just not aware of the power of SQL.
Civil war in Iraq: I think I have a new temporary infatuation: Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2006 11:57 utc | 8 Watching the goggle the other night a report came on a local (NZ) channel about how some suburbs of New Orleans have been left untouched since Katrina. Three guesses as to the primary socio economic grouping in those ‘burbs? Yep give the lady a cigar. Poor and black! Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2006 12:05 utc | 9 Oh Iran may have the bomb soon. How do we know? We delivered the construction plans: CIA Gave Iran Bomb Plans, Book Says
@Did Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 5 2006 13:27 utc | 11 Our system of checks & balances is in place because even the noblest of causes is subject to human error and even abuse. Bush has decided that his cause is so noble that mistakes and abuses may go unchecked and unreported. Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 5 2006 13:35 utc | 12 Someone help Billmon back up on to his barstool, he has been laying on the floor far too long. Posted by: E Pluribus Unum | Jan 5 2006 14:30 utc | 13 Someone help Billmon back up on to his barstool, he has been laying on the floor far too long. Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 5 2006 15:39 utc | 14 Good links Uncle Scam. Posted by: Noisette | Jan 5 2006 15:40 utc | 15 my inflatable billmon doll Posted by: annie | Jan 5 2006 16:23 utc | 16 During and right after the Katrina disaster there was an upsurge of indignation. Posted by: Noisette | Jan 5 2006 16:44 utc | 17 Much as I would be delighted if Billmon were to start posting again, I find the ongoing commentaries here at this bar more than adequate to keep me coming into this joint for probably a few more than I need on a daily basis. Posted by: Juannie | Jan 5 2006 16:47 utc | 18 Iraq war costs $1-2 Trillion was the original misleading stmt about surviving miners a way to control the way the story played out – taking the initial focus away from the culpability of the mining company & focusing on the false announcement and how it affected the families? creating a smaller controversy to defuse the real big one? Posted by: b real | Jan 5 2006 17:12 utc | 20 b real Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 5 2006 19:57 utc | 22 To the anonymous poster who in response to the indignant post I made on public apathy about the way that Katrina refugees have been swept under the carpet,tried to compare the two blogs by obviously decent people on Katrina to the massive outpouring of emotion at the time of the Katrina disaster: Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2006 20:31 utc | 23 dan of steele- there’s probably more to it than meets the eye/ear, but the way it seems to be playing out does strike me as a very cunning pr move. risky sure, but w/ the hightenend state of affairs in this country right now, there’s a minimum chance that it’d still be front page news for more than a couple of days, during which time the main coverage would be shaped to a certain extent. also works to buy more time for the guilty to line up their defense. maybe the corrupt officials there were a’scared of what they done tough blow for those families. over 100 miners die each week in china. who knows how many in other exploited terrains. Posted by: b real | Jan 5 2006 20:52 utc | 24 b real Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2006 23:48 utc | 25 Posted by: annie Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 6 2006 2:31 utc | 26 @fauxreal The Blake quotation takes me back to the 70’s when decadence ruled for a (thankfully, my liver assures me) short time. I had deconstructed Blake’s words to: Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2006 2:52 utc | 27 Debs, I remember the 70s real well myself. I also remember the late 60s real well as my siblings were 11, 10, and 7 years older than I and it seemed they were more than willing to take me along even though I was only 10 in 1969. My oldest brother was in Vietnam in 1969. Posted by: jdp | Jan 6 2006 4:25 utc | 28 did – being a late 60’s soul, i totally relate to your comment especially the ‘psuedo-pious hypocrisy’ of later parenting but then my oldest went on to reed and any suggestion of hypocrisy was trodden upon quickly from that point on – Posted by: old | Jan 6 2006 4:54 utc | 29 What would a bloke do without his/her Tomgram?
Then erstwhile Nick Turse followed with his commentary on Repealing the Magna Carta:
This whole government of laws bizzo got me thinking something fairly scary even for one who lives as far away from the BushCo hideout as is possible without freezing yer ass. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2006 5:32 utc | 30 Cant resist this story ya’ll reminded me of, musta been a different planet: Posted by: anna missed | Jan 6 2006 6:04 utc | 31 Debs- I think Jim Morrison took that Blake quote and ran with it, from what I’ve read. For me, Blake’s affinity for Rousseau and the radical politics of his day gives it a meaning other than the way it was co-opted by the Dionysians. Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 6 2006 6:05 utc | 32 Why would Abramoff disclose Republicans involved in corruption when the possibility or probability of a presidential pardon for him is high? He may be jockeying now to insure that pardon. The outcome may be different than hoped for here. Posted by: mrm | Jan 6 2006 6:14 utc | 33 Hey anna missed, that’s a good one. Posted by: jonku | Jan 6 2006 6:42 utc | 34 ATTENTION INTERNATIONAL BARFLIES… Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 6:48 utc | 35 b real Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 6 2006 7:59 utc | 36 fauxreal, sometimes, Annie, you just have to take things into your own hands. Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2006 8:16 utc | 37 VERY WEIRD. that cut out some of my post . i backtracked and copied…should saty ” i’ve bookmarked reconstruction watch and check it periodically. the other day i read about people taking $25 dollar tours of the devastation, 3 going to relief. it just makes me so sick and angry. Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2006 8:21 utc | 38 this is weird. i’ll try that again. i’ve bookmarked reconstructuion watch..here it is w/out the link http://www.reconstructionwatch.org/index.php Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2006 8:25 utc | 39 Annie, you’ll be seriously putting yr. longterm health at risk by going. I heard a presentation by the Sr. Toxic Waste Analyst, who has overseen every toxic fiasco in this country beg. w/Love Canal – I posted links at the time, weekend or two after disaster. He said Everyone Should Get Out. It’s a Toxic Disaster, and they’re ordering all the info., that would illuminate the problems, buried. He was denied money to go in immediately & start studies, etc. Try again after a decade. (Similarly no studies were allowed of Ground Zero – ~75% of cleanup workers, or onsite EMT’s are seriously ill frequently from the micro-particles in their lungs.) Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 8:41 utc | 40 Oops – forgot to finish phrase: by the Sr. Toxic Waste Analyst, should read …Analyst @EPA. Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 8:48 utc | 41 Nice to see you back jj, Posted by: anna missed | Jan 6 2006 9:26 utc | 43 Thanks Anna Missed. Nice to be back – complicated difficult stuff to deal w/doesn’t leave much energy to contribute even my usual tiny bit, but I usually stop by to see what you all are imbibing… Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 9:52 utc | 44 This just in – looks like they’re not going to be able to keep Sharon alive on machines much longer – minutes, an hour or a few max. Results of his new CAT scan just in – bleeding began again in his brain, rushed into surgery, b.p. up, family rushed to hospital…. Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 10:03 utc | 45 Hiya Annie. I don’t know about the toxicity stuff at all but it does occur if it were that dangerous that the poor people would have been stuck back in there tout de suite and the rich would be holding off. The opposite has happened but these guys do stuff up so who really knows. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2006 10:40 utc | 46 I dunno if anyone else has seen this yet but it’s a classic insight into how the wheels are falling off for the Pennsylvania Ave crew:
If the god botherers are going to hang around MoA they need to concentrate. The general feeling of anger and disgust at the asshole the war crim wasn’t so much at the creation of the biggest outdoor concentration camp in the world (yep Gaza is bigger and even more overpopulated than the Warsaw ghetto was) but his deliberate slaughter of women and children at Sabra, Chatila and Jenin. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2006 19:58 utc | 47 Maybe putting Sharon in a collapsed mine shaft would elicit a little more sympathy for this ‘man of peace.’ It’s worth a try. Posted by: biklett | Jan 7 2006 1:35 utc | 48 Hugh Thompson Jr., dies at 62. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2006 5:13 utc | 49 Hugh Thompson Jr., dies at 62. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2006 5:13 utc | 50 Giggle of the day: Posted by: catlady | Jan 7 2006 5:48 utc | 51 annie, i live about 100ft from the entrance of the fairgrounds and although everything a few blocks in 3 directions is in pretty bad shape i got pretty lucky.its hard to stomach especially if this is your home your neighborhood.i can’t leave the house without comming home crying.but i did go out for new years it was very foggy which i thought appropriate and had a good time.it produced a little bit of revenue for the city also.so as someone living this nightmare please come if you can.i’ve gone back and forth on it but as a few more people have come back to my block we have talked about it and those of us here need to feel normal now and again even a day or a week at a time.and if we get a large turnout for jazzfest it might force those above to maybe clean up a bit more around here.mardi gras they will only be interested in getting the parade route clean (which is not that bad now considering)if we can get a big crowd for the fest it may help.i’d be glad to see ya.hell i’m glad to see about anybody now adays.by then the smell won’t be so bad either i hope.i guess my point is new orleans is a very lonley city right now,everyone you knew,worked with,the person who you trusted to fix your car etc are gone.the worst though is the quiet.i put on every tv in the house on different channels just for background noise sometimes so not only come but make alot of noise.we can’t be forgotten altogether if people keep comming.my 2 cents.the air quality is probably not the best but i doubt if it will kill a casual visitor over a weekend or two.i come from 3 generations of coal miners in PA so i haven’t noticed. coughing up stuff in my family has always been normal. Posted by: onzaga | Jan 7 2006 7:25 utc | 52 I’m sorry to see Commandante Ramona has died just about un-noticed in the North Western hemisphere. It makes an interesting juxtaposition with the bells and whistles the one in suspended animation is getting. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 7 2006 9:13 utc | 54 Hanging the Messenger Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2006 11:30 utc | 55 my god. sometimes i feel so overwhelmed by the sheer amount of info Posted by: possum | Jan 7 2006 13:14 utc | 56 Violence threatens Iraq coalition wrote Jill Carroll for the Christian Science Monitor yesterday. Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 7 2006 17:25 utc | 57 Hey possum, Posted by: Juannie | Jan 7 2006 17:36 utc | 58 I like MoA and visit often, especially to read Monolycus. But we each of us have a distinctly personal voice and there is no substitute for Billmon. A community is not an author. Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Jan 7 2006 18:12 utc | 59 onzaga, deds and jj, thanks for responding to my NO dilema. am still at odds, still house guests, still checking in. so much to ponder so little time. my conservative cousin sent me this Posted by: annie | Jan 7 2006 18:27 utc | 60 I didn’t know James Otis before you mentioned him Wolf, but Wikipediaed him and learned another nugget thanks to this community. Posted by: Juannie | Jan 7 2006 20:16 utc | 61 Debs is dead Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 7 2006 20:20 utc | 62 annie, Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 7 2006 20:31 utc | 63 @Annie
This is the, every electric engine can be turned into an electricity generator proposition. Which is basically correct except for a couple of critical points. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 7 2006 20:54 utc | 64 |
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