Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 5, 2006
Open Thread

Other news and views …

Comments

Data Mining 101: Finding Subversives with Amazon Wishlists
This really is as easy as this guy says… a sixth grade geek could generate these types of lists.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2006 8:49 utc | 1

What is all the fuss about NBC’s investigation about the NSA spying on CNN’s Amanpour.
Of course the Cheney administration does spy on journalists.
– All U.S-international communication is spied on and the machines look for patterns.
– When they analyse communication patterns, any journalists communication by its very nature will stick out. (Multiple international calls to suspected “sources” in specific regions…)
– Then they take that as “probable cause” and start looking into the content of that communication.
– Looking at the content, there might be something of interest to someone that will then be forwarded to the FBI, the White House, …
Nothing new here.

Posted by: b | Jan 5 2006 8:51 utc | 2

The NY fucking Times has an op-ed suggesting that it would be good for democracy if we repealed the 22nd Amendment. You know, the one that says that Presidents can only have 2 terms.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/05/opinion/05burns.html

Posted by: Rowan | Jan 5 2006 9:33 utc | 3

Alas, some here may tak comfort in the opinion of UC Law’s Geof Stone where he pointed out in a tussle with Victoria Toensing on the radio yesterday, the bottom line is this: If the surveillance program is illegal and/or unconstitutional (he concludes it is both), the leak is not illegal. In fact, if the program was designated classified to cover up its illegality, that is a crime in and of itself.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2006 10:19 utc | 4

don’t know if anyone has mentioned it but the rude pundit and his brother have been visiting and reporting first hand from some of the worst hit katrina sites the past few days,and although unless you see it yourself its almost impossible to comprehend the scope of this diaster,he has done a very good job with comentary and pictures.tried to link but didn’t work.rudepundit.blogspot.com

Posted by: onzaga | Jan 5 2006 11:05 utc | 5

@Uncle – Datamining 101 is really only 101. Just analysing Amozon wishlists is for beginners. I did some legal anonymous customer profile analysis for a communication service provider. Even though it was anonymous I was able to pick single persons out of millions with just few additional datapoints. People are just not aware of the power of SQL.

“Poisen fruits”
As one result of the illegal NSA spying all cases in court that are even a bit related to terrorism may be thrown out. If an illegal wiretap did lead to or was part of a prosecution the defendend has a very good case.
The press should get a bit deeper into this. It shows the stupidity behind all this.
Surveillance Court Is Seeking Answers

Several judges on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court said they want to hear directly from administration officials why President Bush believed he had the authority to order, without the court’s permission, wiretapping of some phone calls and e-mails after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Of serious concern to several judges is whether any information gleaned from intercepts by the National Security Agency was later used to gain their permission for wiretaps without the source being disclosed.

On Friday, an attorney for Seifullah Chapman, one of the men convicted as part of the “Virginia jihad network,” formally asked federal prosecutors in Virginia to determine whether warrantless NSA wiretaps were used to gain information about his client. Chapman, who is serving a 65-year sentence for conspiring to provide material support to a foreign terrorist group, was the subject of a secret FISA warrant.

Some judges who spoke on the condition of anonymity yesterday said they want to know whether warrants they signed were tainted by the NSA program. Depending on the answers, the judges said they could demand some proof that wiretap applications were not improperly obtained. Defense attorneys could have a valid argument to suppress evidence against their clients, some judges said, if information about them was gained through warrantless eavesdropping that was not revealed to the defense.

Posted by: b | Jan 5 2006 11:19 utc | 6

Civil war in Iraq:
Yesterday Attack on Iraqi Funeral Kills at Least 42
Today Attack Near Shiite Shrine in Iraq Kills 49

Posted by: b | Jan 5 2006 11:24 utc | 7

I think I have a new temporary infatuation:
The one-party state: A modest proposal . However, the more I read of this guy it looks like a all out crush.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 5 2006 11:57 utc | 8

Watching the goggle the other night a report came on a local (NZ) channel about how some suburbs of New Orleans have been left untouched since Katrina. Three guesses as to the primary socio economic grouping in those ‘burbs? Yep give the lady a cigar. Poor and black!
I don’t spend a helluva a lot of time reading US media I suppose I’ll sound snarky if I say that’s because I like to be informed, so instead I’ll say I prefer to find out what’s happening without my blood pressure being raised to dangerous levels.
I do however glance at NYT and WaPo as well as LAT a coupla times a week and I also may have been known to hang around a blog or two where amerikans hang out.
Nowhere have I seen the deliberate policy of keeping the blackfellas out of the ‘new’ New Orleans raised as an issue. Sure a number of people speculated in the immediate post Katrina hullabaloo that this would probably occur but now that it has no-one is saying jack shit.
The African Americans could be excused for thinking that they had served their purpose by looking suitably victimised during the BushCo inertia.
That as far as the ‘left’ is concerned anyway. There is no outpouring of emotion and assistance for these people who are in even direr situations now than they were straight after the storm.
Perhaps it is felt that harping on about these ‘losers’ would simply be flogging a dead horse. All of the points that can be knocked off BushCo polls by this horror have been so it’s time to move onto the next big thing.
Now I’ll concede that this issue is being handled by the MSM in a very similar way to the method I demonstrated that NYT was doing on the West Virginia coal mine deaths. But that just doesn’t cut it as an excuse for the whole amerikan population pretending nothing has happened.
After the huge issue that was made of this neglect at the time it first occurred, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to expect that a substantial clutch of people would remain concerned for at least long enough to ensure that BushCo didn’t fall back into old habits as soon as the football season got interesting.
I’m not pointing this out to launch a broadside in the general direction of the seppos despite what some may think.
There is no evidence to suggest that any other group of people would behave any differently given the same set of circumstances.
So what am I talking about? Well I have already pointed out in other posts that the economy bad as it is well short of bad enough to drive people to open insurrection.
My personal view about this is that the BushCo/Rethug mob aren’t infallible, they make lots of mistakes but they are just smart enough to be more dangerous than a sensible intelligent person would be.
I reckon that some of them still have enough residual Trotsky ism about them to imagine that a population can be controlled long term from one centralised power base and they have done sufficient research to have come up with a curve which plots the point where people do take to the streets screaming “I’ve had enough and I’m not going to take anymore”.
Here’s the thing. They will also have plotted another graph that shows them the point at which they will have sufficient control over the major organs of the state as to guarantee that they can successfully beat any resistance down mercilessly.
Yeah, yeah. It sounds like some wild conspiracy theory except these guys have proven that they don’t give a fuck about no constitution, rule of law or any of those other quaint old limits on power in a republic.
C’mon you haven’t been drinking the kool aid have you? Why on earth would BushCo risk all on this wiretap bizzo just to listen to a bunch of Ay-rabs planning to blow up some sheeple. Blowing up sheeple is good! Keeps everyone on their back foot. Makes ’em too worried about the poor old Sikh round the corner to think about the ‘guvmint’ protecting them by reading their mail or listening to their phone calls.
Anyway back to the point at hand. This sort of ‘tidiness’ would be right up Rumsfeld and Cheney’s alley. They will have overlaid the two graphs to see at which point the curves intersected.
They will have made sure that the point in time where they have sufficient control over the secret police especially the whole shebang of Homeland Security and the elements of the military and national guard still in the US. That point in time will have been planned to occur well before the other big day. That is the point when things have gotten so bad for Joe Sheeple that he’s on the street waving his 30-08.
Even if amerikans’ life long indoctrination into not feeling the pain of marginalised citizens still holds sway, they need to start resisting now for themselves.
Don’t be letting the pricks pick off the poor of New Orleans, the miners of West Virginia, the Americans from the other side of the Rio Grande who imagine life up north just has to be better than what they have been enduring back home. Rationalising or praying you won’t be next just helps them.
It is vital that all amerikans make sure that as many people as possible know exactly how greedy and uncaring this mob is.
Not for some ‘greater good’. In the cause of self defense as much as altruism.
Scream, Shout and Hassle your representatives about the predicament of the poor of New Orleans now. Don’t wait until it becomes too late for anything other than marveling with the last of your friends that:- “It is wonderful now that the trains run on time.”

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2006 12:05 utc | 9

Oh Iran may have the bomb soon. How do we know? We delivered the construction plans: CIA Gave Iran Bomb Plans, Book Says

In a clumsy effort to sabotage Iran’s nuclear program, the CIA in 2004 intentionally handed Tehran some top-secret bomb designs laced with a hidden flaw that U.S. officials hoped would doom any weapon made from them, according to a new book about the U.S. intelligence agency.
But the Iranians were tipped to the scheme by the Russian defector hired by the CIA to deliver the plans and may have gleaned scientific information useful for designing a bomb, writes New York Times reporter James Risen in “State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration.”

Posted by: b | Jan 5 2006 12:58 utc | 10

@Did
Per onzaga’s post the rude pundit: Katrina Plus Four Months, Part 3 – Chalmette
Also see:
Hurricane Katrina dossier

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 5 2006 13:27 utc | 11

Our system of checks & balances is in place because even the noblest of causes is subject to human error and even abuse. Bush has decided that his cause is so noble that mistakes and abuses may go unchecked and unreported.
Some are more equal than others…

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 5 2006 13:35 utc | 12

Someone help Billmon back up on to his barstool, he has been laying on the floor far too long.

Posted by: E Pluribus Unum | Jan 5 2006 14:30 utc | 13

Someone help Billmon back up on to his barstool, he has been laying on the floor far too long.
amen.
billmon, get your fine gonzo writing self back up on that barstool. *please*
my inflatable billmon doll from Santa has already broken a knee hinge.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 5 2006 15:39 utc | 14

Good links Uncle Scam.
I posted two energy related points in A Turkish Non-denial, had no time for the third, which is:
US reiterates strong opposition to Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline
Forbes
Iran has snatched an opportunity from Afghanistan by nearing an accord with Pakistan and India on the seven billion dollar Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline
“The US will be dismayed as its oil and gas company UNOCAL efforts to pass gas pipeline from Turkmenistan via Afghanistan to Pakistan had been delayed because India and Pakistan have opted to sign an accord with Iran, analysts say.”
Delayed ??
India Daily
And, surprise, surprise:
Gazprom eyes stake in Iran pipeline
World War 4 Report
To sum up: An Iranian oil bourse in Euros, Pooty Poot controlling part of the energy in the EU (a bit exagerated, as those most dependent belong to the ex-Soviet bloc. Spain, for example, imports no or almost no fossil fuels from Russia); Russia-Iran collaboration of various kinds, and Gazprom ready to invest in the pipeline that circumvents the longstanding, but now defunct, US plan. According to some, that pipeline was the reason for the Afgh. invasion…

Posted by: Noisette | Jan 5 2006 15:40 utc | 15

my inflatable billmon doll
i can’t believe you’d admit to that fauxreal!
i just don’t know him well enough to figure out how to appeal to him. i suppose lecturing him would get me no where. pleading, forget it. i have been very patient.

Posted by: annie | Jan 5 2006 16:23 utc | 16

During and right after the Katrina disaster there was an upsurge of indignation.
Subsequently, articles about the cause(s), results of investigations on the levees, reports of individual ‘horror’ stories about not being able to return home, etc. were published. Basically, though, no mainstream follow up occurred, and, afaik, nothing has happened; its all move on, nothing to see, business as usual.
The US public is disoriented by the mainstream news, which garbles events, takes them out of context, solicits emotional reactions. In some cases, the emotions are exploited to infantilise the public, make them subservient, get them to count on leaders and parent figures (anthrax, 911), whip them up to hate and encourage a fascist kind of patriotism. The media have become used to implementing this procedure, and did it as well in the case of Katrina, even if, in that case, the ‘enemy’ could only be ‘Fate’ or ‘The Govmint’ (parent figure..). Then, seeing their mistake (bad parent!), they dropped the whole thing. Or perhaps not: underlining that people are subject to disasters which cannot be managed, that results cannot be handled, that repair cannot be implemented, makes people even more insecure, afraid, lonely, vulnerable, and inclined to take orders from saviors wearing Black Boots.
– just one take from far away – ??
Could it be that if the very many private efforts, as well as the plans of local or sub-and/or-para Gvmt. groups or organisations had been allowed to act and save as many as possible with all the considerable means to hand, Katrina would have been seen as a triumph of American pragmatism, technical savvy, and solidarity?

Posted by: Noisette | Jan 5 2006 16:44 utc | 17

Much as I would be delighted if Billmon were to start posting again, I find the ongoing commentaries here at this bar more than adequate to keep me coming into this joint for probably a few more than I need on a daily basis.
@ possum,
Hey I owe you a round from last Christmas when I just ducked in quickly. When you stop in for a drink the next one is on me. Been listening to Ry and just watched “Crossroads” last night.

Posted by: Juannie | Jan 5 2006 16:47 utc | 18

Iraq war costs $1-2 Trillion
Please let me have the change…
BTW: Anyone in the MSM noticed that oil is up?

Posted by: b | Jan 5 2006 16:53 utc | 19

was the original misleading stmt about surviving miners a way to control the way the story played out – taking the initial focus away from the culpability of the mining company & focusing on the false announcement and how it affected the families? creating a smaller controversy to defuse the real big one?

Posted by: b real | Jan 5 2006 17:12 utc | 20

Riverbend meditates on the 6 as in 2006

Posted by: b | Jan 5 2006 17:25 utc | 21

b real
sometimes a fvckup is just a fvckup. You might need a heavier grade of aluminum foil :>)

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 5 2006 19:57 utc | 22

To the anonymous poster who in response to the indignant post I made on public apathy about the way that Katrina refugees have been swept under the carpet,tried to compare the two blogs by obviously decent people on Katrina to the massive outpouring of emotion at the time of the Katrina disaster:
I’m not sure how many bloggers there are in the US but I would say more than 200,000. That means that by any estimate less than 0.1% of media interested people in the US are still concerned about the state of the refugees of New Orleans.
A lot of the refugees are still living in temporary accomodation. The children won’t have access to regular community schooling, but who cares eh we’ll just start building their prison cells now.
Posting on contentious issues means that the two most common reactions are either an onslaught of argument or complete silence. Either of those at least suggest that people are considering what has been posted. Not that they are agreeing with it because that would be an aim as despotic as a BushCo goal but at least that they are either resisting the argument by debate and discussion and forming their own view or going off to have a bit of a think.
Lately however as things have gotten worse in the republic another reaction has become increasingly common. That is to nitpick one element of the poster’s rationale and in that way dismiss the whole line of thought. Then everyone can go back to blissful ignorance. Live in the eternal now. The flaw is what will happen when the eternal now becomes unbearable? It won’t be possible to post your thoughts to a blog then. The prison cells built for the African Americans displaced by Katrina aren’t completly full. Look they’ve left one wing for people who have noticed what’s going on and are trying to resist. Too late of course. Still just in time for Prisons of America Corp to meet its quarterly forecast courtesy of your incarceration.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2006 20:31 utc | 23

dan of steele- there’s probably more to it than meets the eye/ear, but the way it seems to be playing out does strike me as a very cunning pr move. risky sure, but w/ the hightenend state of affairs in this country right now, there’s a minimum chance that it’d still be front page news for more than a couple of days, during which time the main coverage would be shaped to a certain extent. also works to buy more time for the guilty to line up their defense.
whether the initial “miscommunication” was sincere or not, it sure was capitalized upon, at the expense of the families of those miners. reports say that w/i 45 minutes it was known that this was incorrect info, yet the families were allowed to continue celebrating for another 2 1/4 hours before they were told the truth. meanwhile, a swat team at some point were moved into the area.


About a dozen state troopers and a SWAT team were positioned along the road near the church because police were concerned about violence.

maybe the corrupt officials there were a’scared of what they done

when the families heard they were alive…they started celebrating….they waited for 3 hours to hear where their loved ones had been taken….and then 3 hours later were told they were all dead…MOST WENT HOME TO GET THEIR GUNS…THEY HAD ENOUGH…DONT KNOW IF CENSORED TV WILL SHOW THIS OR TELL THAT STORY…BUT THEY INSIST ITS TRUE….AND KNOWING THESE FOLKS AS I DO….I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IT.
I personally think the owner wanted to have “some protection of his own before he told the truth”,,,,,,he knew what would happen when they found out

tough blow for those families. over 100 miners die each week in china. who knows how many in other exploited terrains.

Posted by: b real | Jan 5 2006 20:52 utc | 24

b real
Unfortunately mining is a very high risk occupation. This is why in many nations working in a coalmine has been about the most lucrative employment that manual workers can get. Throughout the Iron Curtain countries resistance to change came chiefly from mine workers who had managed to negotiate a very good (by comparison to other workers), salary.
They knew what would happen to their employment when their industry was privatised.
Of course when the workers have sufficient power to push for higher wages any employer looks for a less expensive way out. That less expensive way has often been by making the job safer. When mines are less dangerous places to work, then recruitment becomes easier and wage demand lessens.
However even a cursory examination of mining in the US shows that the government in concert with the corporations ‘given’ the right to mine national resources, and thereby mint money, have consistently gone for a third option.
Pay the worker badly and if they object repress them.
Wartime is also considered to be a good time to repress workers particularly miners. I mean anyone would be hard pressed to imagine that the USA was in any direct danger during it’s two year involvement in WWI. I suggest they take a look at Bisbee probably one of the first times that national security was dragged out as a justification to further corporate objectives. In this case the aim had little to do with national security but a helluva lot to do with destroying the Wobblies (IWW).
I apologise if I’m teaching grandma to suck eggs here but I am always unsure of how much of their real history citizens of the USA know.
For example I could walk downtown right now and round up a possies of visitors from the US and ask them ‘How do you think Wilson’s incarceration of Eugene Debs effected the development of human rights in the US?’ Out of ten questioned I would be pleasantly surprised if one even knew who Gene Debs was. Before everyone gets hot under the collar, this is not meant as a criticism of people from the US. It is an observation of how the society has been effectively channelled into debate in a few prescribed areas which everyone knows down to the last obscure detail.
eg Practically everyone of a certain age in the US knows that it was alleged Oswald bought a Mannlicher by mail order.
Yet few knew Sirhan Sirhan’s nationality (Palestinian) much less thought that might be connected to the act of this ‘madman’.
And if I were to try and point out that Oswald was the madman and Sirhan the freedom fighter, I would be howled down in any forum in the US, Liberal or Conservative.
Now I’m not saying stuff like this because I’m a frustrated Brit or Frenchman resentful that the place in the world of my nation has been relegated by US supremacy.
I’m saying it because my experience of people from the US has been positive. I have generally had a great time when in the US and over the years I have developed many close friendships with migrants and visitors from the US.
It’s just that sometimes the depth of indoctrination that good people have been subjected to is often so profound that there seems no other way than to just confront it.
Whilst I wouldn’t describe myself as objective I look at the relationship between individuals and the power structure in the US from a different perspective than say a lot of other left thinking people within the US. That isn’t just because I’m unsure nowadays what ‘left thinking’ really means but because there are a few important points of view that are held across the political spectrum within the US accepted by all.
For someone who hasn’t been completely indoctrinated into these beliefs I am uncertain of their veracity, much less their relevance.
The JFK assassination is a classic example.
But back to mining. plenty of other countries have tried the same model of human resources management of mine workers as the US. The misnamed People’s Republic of China comes to mind.
The thing is that in ‘democratic’ societies they have been pretty unsuccessful keeping the lid on long term. Up until now populations have been generally unable to stomach the harsh treatment of fellow citizens. especially citizens who typify many of the most respected attributes of humanity: Strength, courage and mateship (otherwise known as personal loyalty or solidarity).
When the appalling Thatcher got away with destoying Scargill and his mineworkers union; that was chiefly because she was trying to shut the mines down. The exploitation of oil in the North sea meant that coal was no longer required as a major energy source.
So although there was considerable community unease at miners being so brutally cast out of work, once it had been done there was an ability for the discomforted to ‘move on’. They wouldn’t have to consider the plight of those workers for ever and a day.
What will be really interesting is what’s going to happen now the mines are viable again.
Both sides will try and turn back the clock. The miners to the times when their industrial power was at it’s zenith and the corporations to the Thatcher years.
The result will be up to the Brits themselves.
Hmm still digrressing…
There are some good things coming out of the mineworkers of the US as good things have always come from these workers and their families.
eg A copper mine in Cananea Sonora Mexico has repressed it’s workers since at least 1906 when the first large scale industrial action undertaken in Mexico was brutally repressed by the Mexican government who used fellow miners from Arizona, a few kilometres to the north to bust mineworkers heads and the strike.
Fast forward to 1999 when conditions have hardly improved and the workers take up industrial action once more. The strike was sold out by the union leaders back in Mexico city but one group of ‘outsiders’ decided to remain staunch and assist the miners of Cananea. That was the mineworkers of Arizona.
It should be no surprise that distraction was used in the West Virginia tragedy, firstly to allow the armed authorities to get into place and prevent any public indignation at the heinous acts of the mine corp and it’s friends in state and federal government.
Secondly to ensure that the hoi polloi didn’t worry themselves unneccessarily about the working conditions of hillbillies in 2006.
I suppose those looking for a silver lining can console themselves.
They should consider that had the national media not decided to make an issue of these workers’ jeopardy that the dead would still be dead. On the other hand there were no further deaths resulting from the mine owners and authorities ‘preferred’ method of dealing with these ‘problems’ ie killing and arresting the deceased families.
That method not only stops inconvenient publicity and possible resistance from the corrupt union bosses in Washington or whatever, it also ensures there is no one about to claim compensation for this murder by proxy.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 5 2006 23:48 utc | 25

Posted by: annie
my inflatable billmon doll
i can’t believe you’d admit to that fauxreal!

LOL. You didn’t see the billmon doll in the sharper image catalog?
i just don’t know him well enough to figure out how to appeal to him. i suppose lecturing him would get me no where. pleading, forget it. i have been very patient.
sometimes, Annie, you just have to take things into your own hands. I’m gonna send my inflatable doll to the Whiskey Bar to see if it can write.
Juannie- I think people here are interesting and have good discussions. Does that mean I can’t ask for Billmon too?
From William Blake:
The road to wisdom is paved with excess…for one can never know what is enough, until one knows what is too much.
Around here it’s an embarrassment of riches, isn’t it? But it’s not too much.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 6 2006 2:31 utc | 26

@fauxreal The Blake quotation takes me back to the 70’s when decadence ruled for a (thankfully, my liver assures me) short time. I had deconstructed Blake’s words to:
You never know whats enough until you’ve had more than enough!
Usually shouted the motto was the inevitable prelude to absorbing some substance; ethanol as much as any other, then casting any inhibitions to one side in search of a good time.
I know we say this with the repetitous monotony of a scratched piece of vinyl but the days before HIV, herpes, 12 step programs and children were a lot of fun.
Sometimes it is difficult to make parenting other than an act of pseudo-pious hypocrisy.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2006 2:52 utc | 27

Debs, I remember the 70s real well myself. I also remember the late 60s real well as my siblings were 11, 10, and 7 years older than I and it seemed they were more than willing to take me along even though I was only 10 in 1969. My oldest brother was in Vietnam in 1969.
My 70s experience was way to much. I call much of it(the late 70s) my “lost years” due to my excesses. It was wild. Drinking age eighteen, cheap beer, cheap w???, ahhh, those were the days.
So much for history, now I am an upstanding citizen, connected into local and state politics and keep my nose clean. Its amazing what a family can do.
Now, are we having fun yet? The Abramoff scandel is tickling me all over. Tom Delay is toast. I say he anounces retirement soon. Bye ,bye bugman.

Posted by: jdp | Jan 6 2006 4:25 utc | 28

did – being a late 60’s soul, i totally relate to your comment especially the ‘psuedo-pious hypocrisy’ of later parenting but then my oldest went on to reed and any suggestion of hypocrisy was trodden upon quickly from that point on –

Posted by: old | Jan 6 2006 4:54 utc | 29

What would a bloke do without his/her Tomgram?
Engelhardt nailed with his Unrestrained President piece:

“For these cultists of an all-powerful presidency, the holy war, the “crusade” to be embarked upon was, above all, aimed at creating a President accountable to no one, overseen by no one, and restricted by no other force or power in his will to act as he saw fit. And so, in this White House, all roads have led back to one issue: How to press ever harder at the weakening boundaries of presidential power. This is why, when critics concentrate on any specific issue or set of administration acts, no matter how egregious or significant, they invariably miss the point. The issue, it turns out, is never primarily — to take just two areas of potentially illegal administration activity — torture or warrantless surveillance. Though each of them had value and importance to top administration officials, they were nonetheless primarily the means to an end.”

Then erstwhile Nick Turse followed with his commentary on Repealing the Magna Carta:

“In 1957, the American Bar Association erected a monument at Runnymede to “acknowledg[e] the debt American law and constitutionalism” owed to the Magna Carta. Today, the defining tenet of the American legal system is in jeopardy as the Bush administration has attempted to roll back the clock to the 13th century. Such a gambit seeks to do nothing short of shatter and effectively bury the framework for the Anglo-American legal tradition by transforming the chief executive into an unchecked despot and so plunging us into a pre-1215 world. The implications are dire. As Harold Hongju Koh, dean of the Yale Law School, observed, “If the president has commander-in-chief power to commit torture, he has the power to commit genocide, to sanction slavery, to promote apartheid, to license summary execution.”
During the birth of the United States, John Adams — who also proclaimed that Britain’s rule under which “The Law, and the Fact, are both to be decided by the same single Judge” was “directly repugnant to the Great Charter [Magna Carta] itself” — wrote of “a government of laws and not of men.”

This whole government of laws bizzo got me thinking something fairly scary even for one who lives as far away from the BushCo hideout as is possible without freezing yer ass.
What occurred was this:
The vast majority of the discussion from the left has been around the BushCo attempt to ignore or avoid the constitution.
Realistically these meglomaniacs consider that a game for chickens not for hairy chested blokes like Cheney or Rumsfeld.
Ignoring or avoiding the constitution isn’t a particularly useful tactic long term because a re-interpretation after office could be problematic.
So, why ignore or avoid something that the truly hairy chested would amend!
Yep it occurred to me earlier today for no reason other than a sheer black mood that this is something as yet undiscussed. AFAIK
C’mon BushCo have tried everything else so far so if the latest edition supine court decision on torture, rendition, or snooping comes out with W reeking of roses, surely his next logical act must be to try and amend the fucker.
He’d be mad not to try it. Think about it. Strike while the iron is hot. A majority in both legislatures and a thoroughly house broken judiciary. BushCo would be remiss not to give it a burl.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2006 5:32 utc | 30

Cant resist this story ya’ll reminded me of, musta been a different planet:
When I turned 18 there was this country bar, several miles out in a one (blinking) stoplight town right on the Ohio- Michigan line. It was called The Berkey Bar and every Thursday night that summer it was $1.50 all the beer you could drink. Thats right a buck-fifty and no limits. The two middle aged ladies who ran the joint would just keep filling up the pitchers again and again and again till about two AM when the inevitable and imagined rivalries between the Michigan boys and the Ohio boys would escalate into a mad minute brawl. They only lasted a minute because by this time everybody in the place was too drunk to fight, and besides, the floor was also totally afloat with at least a half inch of beer — wall to wall. So there would be this heap of guys yellin’ and slippin’ and fallin’ and tryin’ to stand up, and at that point somebody would always just start pourin’ beer on the pile squirming around there on the floor. So at closing time everybody was not just drunk, but saturated and literally dripping wet with beer. Which, not being the most comfortable way to drive home, someone got the got the bright idea to go swimming, at a local quarry not far off, so we headed off there. After stripping off the wet clothes, we headed for the water only to find the gate locked up, and since putting those beer soaked clothes back on somehow just seemed wrong, we all just jumped back in the car and headed back to town. Which was bad enough I guess, except that we could’nt figure out or agree on what to do next, so everybody started arguing, at the same time, about what do next, which was all at the same time hilarious if you think about it, and it was — so there we were, five guys, driving around downtown at 2:30 in the morning, all butt naked, and drunk, arguing, and howling with laughter. And I think the radio was probably on.
Should’ve read Blake a little earlyer I suppose, ahhh maybe not.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 6 2006 6:04 utc | 31

Debs- I think Jim Morrison took that Blake quote and ran with it, from what I’ve read. For me, Blake’s affinity for Rousseau and the radical politics of his day gives it a meaning other than the way it was co-opted by the Dionysians.
I love his illuminated visions.
And as far as the hypocrisy, to me kids do not need to do everything adults do, nor do they need to know everything adults do (and don’t want to know, I’d imagine), and I try my hardest not to be a hypocrite about it all, but I never did fit in at the PTA meetings.
The nicest thing about being both adult and divorced is that I can have friends my family wouldn’t approve of, but since I’m the parent, no one can ground me for hanging out with the bad boys. LOL.
I never fit in with the stepford moms anyway. hopefully my kids will survive me.

Posted by: fauxreal | Jan 6 2006 6:05 utc | 32

Why would Abramoff disclose Republicans involved in corruption when the possibility or probability of a presidential pardon for him is high? He may be jockeying now to insure that pardon. The outcome may be different than hoped for here.

Posted by: mrm | Jan 6 2006 6:14 utc | 33

Hey anna missed, that’s a good one.
I had to read twice to get that it was a dollar-fifty for the entire night of drinking.
Reminds me of how cheap tap beer really is.
In Brooklyn to this day the fourth beer (or drink) is free — it’s called buyback and when you order your third, the bartender puts a shotglass upside down in front of you until you finish, then they say, “this one’s on me.” Of course that’s in the old bars, not everywhere.
Driving around naked, in the middle of the night, in the middle of the summer. Drunk. Sounds like a dream.
One time at work in a bookstore I got in a conversation with the cashier girl from the South about how much fun driving around drunk is.
The new york cashier was appalled, even though she was nice she couldn’t imagine that this could be safe let alone fun.
So we hung out there by the cash register explaining to her that we’re talking about the country, we don’t do it anymore, there isn’t anyone on the road etc.
But I never did it naked!

Posted by: jonku | Jan 6 2006 6:42 utc | 34

ATTENTION INTERNATIONAL BARFLIES…
Newsweek as suddenly discovered that Chomsky is the world’s most respected public intellectual…so they conducted an actual interview w/him…there’s a Catch, of course. Only in their International Editions – Jan 9. And only part of the interview is online. Could anyone get it & post the rest for us poor deprived folks in the “belly of the beast”? It would be Seriously Appreciated.
As always, he makes some important points. Aside from his comparison of EyeRack to Vietnam, his opinion of Bu$hCo, he has this to say about current situation in Iraq:
For example, there’s a lot of talk about the United States bringing [about] a sovereign independent Iraq. That can’t possibly be true. All you have to do is ask yourself what the policies would be in a more-or-less democratic Iraq. We know what they’re likely to be. A democratic Iraq will have a Shiite majority, [with] close links to Iran. Furthermore, it’s right across the border from Saudi Arabia, where there’s a Shiite population which has been brutally repressed by the U.S.-backed fundamentalist tyranny. If there are any moves toward sovereignty in Shiite Iraq, or at least some sort of freedom, there are going to be effects across the border. That happens to be where most of Saudi Arabia’s oil is. So you can see the ultimate nightmare developing from Washington’s point of view. LINK

Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 6:48 utc | 35

b real
This summer I met the father of a colleague and we talked at length about coal miners and the police. This man is a retired policeman from Ohio and is the son of coal miners. He joined the military, got out after a few years and found a job in the police department. He was sent to school by the state police because the higher ups saw some potential in him and he made rank fairly quickly.
Anyway, a non-union mine wanted to start up in the heart of the coal fields right in the middle of all the other unionized mines. The owners of the new mine knew they were in for a tough time and asked for protection. The ex-cop told me of the steps he took to maintain control. They used helicopters and tear gas, they used battering rams against the miners. They also told the miners that if anybody fired on them with guns that all hell would break loose and there would be many dead miners.
A huge struggle broke out but in the end the police prevailed. My colleague’s father told me that if he had not been related to most of the miners it would have been a lot worse. He felt that all sides held back just a bit because they were family after all.
I then asked him if it bothered him in the least to be in the position of cracking heads of cousins and uncles to help out a mine owner. He said that the mine operators had a right to do business there and that was as much as he would say about it.
So, the fact that the police had SWAT there in West Virginia is not in the least surprising. This would be a standard precaution of the police force in a region where you have poor, oppressed, and well armed citizens who have been screwed royally by the man. To give these assholes credit for working the media by saying “they are all alive” and then “they are all dead” is misguided. imho

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 6 2006 7:59 utc | 36

fauxreal, sometimes, Annie, you just have to take things into your own hands.
porcelaen is so much easier to work with. maybe tomorrow in my studio i’ll do some contemplating.
anna missed, i love your story.
debs, i never heard of debs until you emailed me way back, bisbee is another story, i lived there 5 years and the historical musuen is in the middle of town which is small.
Posting on contentious issues means that the two most common reactions are either an onslaught of argument or complete silence. Either of those at least suggest that people are considering what has been posted
sometimes i just don’t know how to respond. its true about most american, including me, about history.
i am in a quandry about katrina, i think about it alot, even to the point of picking up after my show(art/april) and just heading down there for awhile. here’s the gist. last summer a good friend from my college days invited me to join her and some friends to join them this spring at jazzfest, i have never been and always wanted to go. this group goes every year and has some inside link and its always great fun. when katrina hit i thought it was off, its not. my friend keeps asking if i’m still in. somehow, going to new orleans, partying, with all this devastation just sort of turns my stomach. i saw the photos from the rude pundit today. i’ve bookmarked reconstruction watch and check it periodically. the other day i read about people taking $25 dollar tours of the devastation, 3 going to relief. it just makes me so sick and angry.
i really don’t know if i can just put all that aside and party. maybe i should make plans to join the relief effort for awhile. i don’t know. when i read about most of the residents not returning, it really boils my blood.
so when i don’t respond it doesn’t mean i’m not listening. but sometimes its easier to follow annamissed post and remember bygone days of naked wanderings. (well, not that bygone, i just spent four days @breitenbush 160 acres off the grid. not an ounce of guilt.
do i chuck it and go to jazzfest? can i ? i told her i’d get back to her in a few days, someone is ready to fill my spot w/the group.
tick, tick.

Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2006 8:16 utc | 37

VERY WEIRD. that cut out some of my post . i backtracked and copied…should saty ” i’ve bookmarked reconstruction watch and check it periodically. the other day i read about people taking $25 dollar tours of the devastation, 3 going to relief. it just makes me so sick and angry.
i really don’t know if i can just put all that aside and party. maybe i should make plans to join the relief effort for awhile. i don’t know. when i read about most of the residents not returning, it really boils my blood.
so when i don’t respond it doesn’t mean i’m not listening. but sometimes its easier to follow annamissed post and remember bygone days of naked wanderings. (well, not that bygone, i just spent four days @breitenbush 160 acres off the grid. not an ounce of guilt.
do i chuck it and go to jazzfest? can i ? i told her i’d get back to her in a few days, someone is ready to fill my spot w/the group.
tick, tick.

Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2006 8:21 utc | 38

this is weird. i’ll try that again. i’ve bookmarked reconstructuion watch..here it is w/out the link http://www.reconstructionwatch.org/index.php
and check it periodically. the other day i read about people taking $25 dollar tours of the devastation, 3 going to relief. it just makes me so sick and angry.
i really don’t know if i can just put all that aside and party. maybe i should make plans to join the relief effort for awhile. i don’t know. when i read about most of the residents not returning, it really boils my blood.
so when i don’t respond it doesn’t mean i’m not listening. but sometimes its easier to follow annamissed post and remember bygone days of naked wanderings. (well, not that bygone, i just spent four days @breitenbush 160 acres off the grid. not an ounce of guilt.
do i chuck it and go to jazzfest? can i ? i told her i’d get back to her in a few days, someone is ready to fill my spot w/the group.
tick, tick. very weird the way the post was self editing, maybe there is some meaning i should glean from it??

Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2006 8:25 utc | 39

Annie, you’ll be seriously putting yr. longterm health at risk by going. I heard a presentation by the Sr. Toxic Waste Analyst, who has overseen every toxic fiasco in this country beg. w/Love Canal – I posted links at the time, weekend or two after disaster. He said Everyone Should Get Out. It’s a Toxic Disaster, and they’re ordering all the info., that would illuminate the problems, buried. He was denied money to go in immediately & start studies, etc. Try again after a decade. (Similarly no studies were allowed of Ground Zero – ~75% of cleanup workers, or onsite EMT’s are seriously ill frequently from the micro-particles in their lungs.)

Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 8:41 utc | 40

Oops – forgot to finish phrase: by the Sr. Toxic Waste Analyst, should read …Analyst @EPA.
On another front, this is the first time I’ve seen this mentioned…Eric Margolis looks back over the yr. He doesn’t note that xUS pushing Japan to become almost its proxy. Anyway, when tensions are so serious that Top Diplomats between 2 countries are not speaking, somebody should be paying attention:
Big trouble was brewing up in Asia. China, its new colossus, chose to adopt a policy of confrontation with its other powerhouse, Japan, that bodes ill for the future of the region. Sino-Japanese tensions are now so bad that senior officials of the two great nations are not even on speaking terms. China’s decision to stoke anti-Japanese sentiment at home has raised tensions across North Asia and is drawing the US into the confrontation. Add the worsening Taiwan dispute into this equation, and North Asia looks headed for some serious trouble in 2006.
For the first time in modern history, both China and Japan are strong: each is determined to be sole master of the region. Meanwhile, the US cannot decide how to handle China’s growing power. The far right of the Republican Party seems determined to put the US on a military confrontation with China, a potential conflict that the US cannot possibly win.
link

Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 8:48 utc | 41

thanks jj

Posted by: annie | Jan 6 2006 9:15 utc | 42

Nice to see you back jj,
I’ve never understood Chomsky’s lack of profile here. there is the occasional thing in the New Yorker or some other such publication, but in the MSM he’s pretty much unknown, I remember Hannity spouting off one day about some anti-american MIT professor he said he’d like to debate (ha-ha), and saw him once on the Rose show once (in which at one point in the interview, Charlie stood up from his chair waving his arms all over the place exclaiming “do you know everything!?”) but thats pretty much it. It is suprising that givin his stature, and massive publication record (a few years ago I think he had 3 books on the best seller list at the same time) you’d think he would have been trotted out for ritual demonization by the mainstream yak-yaks — but not a peep — ever (except maybe Brooks, who occasionally whines about him). Even in scholarship, I’m only aware of one ( some austrailian guy) major and public critic.
So he either does’nt like to indulge in such media things, or he gets no takers. I do’nt know which, which I suppose is neither here nor there were it not for the fact that his critique of US foreign policy has been so paramount, encyclopedic, and bound in the official record, as it is, that you’d at least expect an occasional reference to him (his work) might be made from time to time in discussion / debate. For a society so used to having an elephant in the room, you’d think one missing from the room might draw a similar notice.??

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 6 2006 9:26 utc | 43

Thanks Anna Missed. Nice to be back – complicated difficult stuff to deal w/doesn’t leave much energy to contribute even my usual tiny bit, but I usually stop by to see what you all are imbibing…
Annie, here’s more info. on that problem. Analysts name is Hugh Kaufman. He’s the most reputable knowledgeable person I’ve found on the subject: Talk of Rebuilding N.O. is farcical Scroll down. And here’s plenty more of his comments link

Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 9:52 utc | 44

This just in – looks like they’re not going to be able to keep Sharon alive on machines much longer – minutes, an hour or a few max. Results of his new CAT scan just in – bleeding began again in his brain, rushed into surgery, b.p. up, family rushed to hospital….
Could this toss Iranian mis-adventure onto history’s ash heap??

Posted by: jj | Jan 6 2006 10:03 utc | 45

Hiya Annie. I don’t know about the toxicity stuff at all but it does occur if it were that dangerous that the poor people would have been stuck back in there tout de suite and the rich would be holding off. The opposite has happened but these guys do stuff up so who really knows.
What I wanted to say was that I imagine the last thing the poor of New Orleans would want is everyone to be miserable. Knowing a few of that mob they won’t be miserable for long. Pissed yes, miserable, doubt it.
Your not going to upset any real people by going down there and having a good time. I’m feel pretty sure Annie that you don’t consider treating people who are having a bad run of luck like performing seals which was what those ignorant pigs that rude pundit saw were doing. You’d hae to think that the more real people that go there the better firstly because you’d see the ethical quandry that buying a condo built on old Louisiana families homes would cause and secondly the more proper humans down there the less likely that the carpetbaggers will feel secure enough to want to move there.
Lets face it most people insesitive enough to buy a home built on someone else’s ‘country’ (country is the english word aboriginal people use to describe the land that their clan has been living on for the past few generations) would prefer their ‘local color’ to be safely behind glass or bars.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2006 10:40 utc | 46

I dunno if anyone else has seen this yet but it’s a classic insight into how the wheels are falling off for the Pennsylvania Ave crew:

“The White House has been unusually sharply critical of one of the president’s most prominent supporters, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson.
Mr Robertson suggested Ariel Sharon’s stroke was divine punishment for the withdrawal of Israeli settlers in Gaza.
A White House spokesman described the broadcaster’s remarks as “wholly inappropriate and offensive”.

If the god botherers are going to hang around MoA they need to concentrate. The general feeling of anger and disgust at the asshole the war crim wasn’t so much at the creation of the biggest outdoor concentration camp in the world (yep Gaza is bigger and even more overpopulated than the Warsaw ghetto was) but his deliberate slaughter of women and children at Sabra, Chatila and Jenin.
No wonder these fools get the only book they seem able to read so wrong.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 6 2006 19:58 utc | 47

Maybe putting Sharon in a collapsed mine shaft would elicit a little more sympathy for this ‘man of peace.’ It’s worth a try.

Posted by: biklett | Jan 7 2006 1:35 utc | 48

Hugh Thompson Jr., dies at 62.
My Lai. (NSFW photo) “‘We had conspired with the government of South Vietnam to literally destroy the hopes, aspirations and emotional stability of thirteen thousand human beings…This was not war it is genocide ….’.”
“Thompson landed his chopper between the troops and the shelter, then jumped out and confronted the lieutenant in charge of the chase…Furious, Thompson announced he was taking the civilians out.He went back to Colburn and Andreotta and told them if the Americans fired, to shoot them.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2006 5:13 utc | 49

Hugh Thompson Jr., dies at 62.
My Lai. (NSFW photo) “‘We had conspired with the government of South Vietnam to literally destroy the hopes, aspirations and emotional stability of thirteen thousand human beings…This was not war it is genocide ….’.”
“Thompson landed his chopper between the troops and the shelter, then jumped out and confronted the lieutenant in charge of the chase…Furious, Thompson announced he was taking the civilians out.He went back to Colburn and Andreotta and told them if the Americans fired, to shoot them.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2006 5:13 utc | 50

Giggle of the day:
Reality TV: fleecing the Sheeple for “DHS: The Series”
Here’s the trailer. Looks like it coulda been a big hit–I mean it looks and sounds just like all the other shoot ’em up blow ’em up overwrought cop/soldier dramas–but I suspect C-SPAN’s upcoming “JACKing abramOFF the Big Boy$” will sweep the ratings.

Posted by: catlady | Jan 7 2006 5:48 utc | 51

annie, i live about 100ft from the entrance of the fairgrounds and although everything a few blocks in 3 directions is in pretty bad shape i got pretty lucky.its hard to stomach especially if this is your home your neighborhood.i can’t leave the house without comming home crying.but i did go out for new years it was very foggy which i thought appropriate and had a good time.it produced a little bit of revenue for the city also.so as someone living this nightmare please come if you can.i’ve gone back and forth on it but as a few more people have come back to my block we have talked about it and those of us here need to feel normal now and again even a day or a week at a time.and if we get a large turnout for jazzfest it might force those above to maybe clean up a bit more around here.mardi gras they will only be interested in getting the parade route clean (which is not that bad now considering)if we can get a big crowd for the fest it may help.i’d be glad to see ya.hell i’m glad to see about anybody now adays.by then the smell won’t be so bad either i hope.i guess my point is new orleans is a very lonley city right now,everyone you knew,worked with,the person who you trusted to fix your car etc are gone.the worst though is the quiet.i put on every tv in the house on different channels just for background noise sometimes so not only come but make alot of noise.we can’t be forgotten altogether if people keep comming.my 2 cents.the air quality is probably not the best but i doubt if it will kill a casual visitor over a weekend or two.i come from 3 generations of coal miners in PA so i haven’t noticed. coughing up stuff in my family has always been normal.

Posted by: onzaga | Jan 7 2006 7:25 utc | 52

Comandante Ramona dies

Posted by: Zapatista R.I.P. | Jan 7 2006 8:49 utc | 53

I’m sorry to see Commandante Ramona has died just about un-noticed in the North Western hemisphere. It makes an interesting juxtaposition with the bells and whistles the one in suspended animation is getting.
Still rather than wallow in regret about her passing we would do better to wonder at the marvel of the tide of freedom sweeping through America South of the Rio Grande.
There is no way that anything can make-up for the senseless deaths of nearly 200,000 people going about their business in Iraq, but we should celebrate the slowdown of the grinding maw in the America without ‘constitutional safeguards’. Much less flesh is being minced into fastfood, bones snapped into suppliance or brain tissue pureed into mush since the dark lord’s gaze was diverted by black gold.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 7 2006 9:13 utc | 54

Hanging the Messenger
Another from Glenn Greenwald.
I don’t know who this guy is but he has been kicking major ass over at digby, and from what I have read of him he’s damn near up there w/our billmon.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2006 11:30 utc | 55

my god. sometimes i feel so overwhelmed by the sheer amount of info
that i feel that i can’t respond.
@onzaga,what can i say? I once had red beans and rice at busters beannery just off jackson square long time ago hitchhiking thru,big plate and half a loaf of good bread,real butter, and all the water i could drink for 80 cents. met up with a redhead gal whilst playing guitar. I learned the phrase “whaaaoooo! i’m getting fucked up,me!”
because i did. went thru there 3 dif times while on the road.met up with all kinds of good folks.my god.all those folks.partied out at fat city, and said my goodbyes, hit the road.
onzaga,what you wrote made me cry. because i have been there in the “big easy”.
I wish i could be there to help things almost be normal,but im just a pegleg carpenter stuck in miami beach.
fat tuesday is closing fast….
God bless.
@juannie, i’ll take that shot of makers mark now. i need it.
now you know why my knees are shot.music on crossroads was good, thanks to ry.
now, to adress certain issues…
while on the pute yesterday, i had cnn on.Heard a news blurb about an unforunate idiot that tried to hold up a bank, failed, and then tried to escape in a truck with a licence plate that read FIND ME.
Okay,simple idiot that robs a bank, but also charged with making a
TERRORIST THREAT. how convenient to upgrade the charges so as to make the defense much more difficult. has anyone heard this as well?
onto the issue of constitutional law vis a vis nsa spying on americans
came across a good tidbit courtesy of george ure from urban survival.com.im trying to link withthis,but it is not working. just scroll down thru his friday post and click on the revelant post.
@annie ,all that talk of youthful indiscretion while being “nekkid”,i still like swimming with bow legged women.lmao.

Posted by: possum | Jan 7 2006 13:14 utc | 56

Violence threatens Iraq coalition wrote Jill Carroll for the Christian Science Monitor yesterday.
Today she seems to have been kidnapped in Baghdad but there’s very little word of her in the ten and a half hours since she was taken.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 7 2006 17:25 utc | 57

Hey possum,
Thanks for the recognition and encouragement from the last open thread in December. It was long past your post when I read it so thought I wait until you ducked in again to respond.
Yeah, I am still among y’all. There’s rarely a day that I don’t at least check in and try to keep up on most of the posts.
And yes, I’m still a dedicated student of the guitar. I rarely play less than two hours a day, most of it practicing technique. Overall it occupies the lion’s share of my ‘free’ time and is a constant source of joy in my life. That was a great story about your encounter with Ry Cooder. I appreciated it because hearing the story got me to borrow a few of Ry’s CDs and really listen to him. The final cut in Crossroads when the kid is cutting heads with Steve Val (I think?) has to rate close to the top in technical mastery of the instrument. I figured from the credits that it was actually Ry playing but the kid did a great job making it look real. He’s obviously a guitar player. Anyway, now I’m getting to know Ry’s music. Thanks. It was a great round you bought me that night.
Haven’t seen anything before on the bank robber charged with a Terrorist Threat. For me to rant about living in a police state now is superfluous around here but the signals I’m receiving from my societal environment are triggering alert status warnings from my bio-survival and emotional neuro-circuits. What I hope and believe our discussions here may do is aid in finding the path back toward political and economic sanity.
@ fauxreal,
I totally appreciate your song for Billmon’s return and join in the chorus trying to create the tune that will inspire it. I don’t want for even an instant to thwart your voice. Without Billmon’s talents and willingness to share I doubt this community would have ever have come about and I miss his contribution toward helping us find our path back toward sanity. However it does seem that now that this community exists it has attracted the necessary energy to be self sustaining. I hope so. :-] Cheers.

Posted by: Juannie | Jan 7 2006 17:36 utc | 58

I like MoA and visit often, especially to read Monolycus. But we each of us have a distinctly personal voice and there is no substitute for Billmon. A community is not an author.
He may be used up, run dry, or under threat. Anyway, it’s our loss as thoughtful friends of liberty and a nation writhing in agony for want of courage we loved best in Billmon.
Something similar happened to James Otis in 1774 and his eloquence was lost when needed most.
– Wolf DeVoon

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Jan 7 2006 18:12 utc | 59

onzaga, deds and jj, thanks for responding to my NO dilema. am still at odds, still house guests, still checking in. so much to ponder so little time. my conservative cousin sent me this
Synthetic Earthquakes
no end in site, or end in site?

Posted by: annie | Jan 7 2006 18:27 utc | 60

I didn’t know James Otis before you mentioned him Wolf, but Wikipediaed him and learned another nugget thanks to this community.
“Taxation without Representation is Tyranny” and
“If we are not represented, we are slaves”
are both totally and succinctly appro pro for today’s political/societal complex.
And
“…early advocate of the political views that led to the American Revolution.” (my bold) is a goad to we all who have had that foresight, at least since Billmon brought us together, to articulate the those realities to our friends and neighbours (sp., I’m expat. Canuck. I actually imigrated here because I really believed in the American myth of democracy and personal freedoms.)
Let’s assure ourselves that Otis’s lost eloquence won’t be repeated this time around.

Posted by: Juannie | Jan 7 2006 20:16 utc | 61

Debs is dead
do what you need to do to stay out of prison! Your government has some pretty harsh plans for avian flu outreaks.
Lock them up to die – prison bird flu plan

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 7 2006 20:20 utc | 62

annie,
fascinating stuff about the earthquakes, it reminds me of Mel Gibson’s character in “Conspiracy Theories” in which he noted that earthquakes occured every time the shuttle was in orbit.
ps, my warning to Debs as well

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 7 2006 20:31 utc | 63

@Annie
It’s early Sunday morning here so I confess I didn’t wade through all of Synthetic’s reasoning chiefly because I didn’t want to put my head in a space that would absorb his/her reasoning whether it be rational or fallacious at this hour. However a couple of things stood out.
Firstly from what I can understand of his/her initial proposition, it moots that because some earthquakes don’t conform to the ‘shifting tectonic plates’ theory that theory is inapplicable to all earthquakes.
To me that leaves out the possibility that there are a number of different causes of earthquakes that result in a number of different types of earthquakes.
NZ has a major fault line going right through the guts of it and if the shifting plate theory doesn’t stack up, then why do we get so many tremors, particularly around certain nexus points on the fault lines?
But the thing that really struck me was this pronouncement:

” Remember ANY material that produces electro-magnetic energy under the influence of mechanical deformation, ALSO produces mechanical deformation under the influence of electro-magnetic energy. The piezoelectric and electrostriction effects are completely complimentary AND reversible (1.1.3). In other words, an antenna that will intercept the electro-magnetic energy preceding an earthquake, can also be used to transmit electro-magnetic energy, thereby producing an earthquake.”

This is the, every electric engine can be turned into an electricity generator proposition. Which is basically correct except for a couple of critical points.
Firstly the generator will turn out electrical energy in a different form than the engine consumes. A Direct Current (DC) motor used as a generator will produce Alternating Current (AC) electrical energy and an AC generator requires DC electricity to work as a motor. The reasons for this are to do with electro magnetic fields required by a motor to turn versus those produced by a generator that is turning.
There is nothing profound here just that a energy producer doesn’t completely mirror an energy consumer.
The main problem with this switch-around theory is that of efficiency. That is as both machines (generator and engine) are designed to work as efficiently as possible in their assigned roles, when they are forced to do the opposite they are likely to be very inefficient. An engine turned into a generator is likely to require a lot more energy to turn the armature than it produces in the form of electricity.
The point there is that whilst sticking an antenna into the ground will produce some electrical energy it is only a tiny proportion of the energy that an earthquake releases. Obviously the bulk of the energy is released in the movement of the earth, the loud noises given off and heat from the friction between the two huge pieces of ground moving against each other.
Now that means that to work the system in reverse a phenomenal amount of energy would have to be fired at the antenna. I’m not sure how many nuclear weapons it is claimed are equivalent to a large earthquake but it is quite a few.
So in order to ‘create’ an earthquake with this method even if the mechanics were correct (which I doubt) there would have to be an incredible amount of energy fired at the antenna. Certainly more that enough to be easily detected .
The author attempts to overcome this ‘minor’ flaw in the logic by suggesting that the antenna works as a type of blasting cap. That is a small amount of energy pushed through the antenna will cause the release of a huge amount of potential energy contained within the tectonic plates.
The problem is; absolutely no indication is given of how this would work, that makes the proposition no more than a fable until the way this could happen is demonstrated. That interaction must be the crucial part of the theory. The point that really matters if the theory is to have any validity, has absolutely no supporting evidence. Just “it could be so”.
On the same grounds it ‘could’ be so’ that releasing any of the diverse forms of energy given out by earthquakes, around fault lines could cause an earthquake.
Say a bit of heat to replicate the heat given off by friction.
Why not some noise?
Earthquakes make a lot of noise and isn’t acoustic energy meant to cause avalanches?
Well noise doesn’t seem to kick off jack shit. I’m living practically on top of a fault line here and I just cranked up the sounds full blast and nada, nothing, well not exactly nothing, it is Sunday morning and the curtains are twitching further up the way.
The only thing I can see is the same right wing paranoia that had kids ducking under the desks in the 50’s and 60’s if they thought the reds were coming.
We aren’t immune to this shit on the left either, and maybe when it is felt that we really need to clean the pipes at MoA, we should get a structural engineer in to explain how the release of the incredible amount of potential energy contained in two jumbo jets could bring down the twin towers. Did I say that? Oops

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 7 2006 20:54 utc | 64