Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 2, 2005
Victory in Iraq?

Ten Marines on foot patrol were killed and 11 wounded by a roadside bomb near Fallujah,
Iraq, in one of the deadliest attack on American troops in recent months, the Marine Corps announced on Friday. A brief statement said the Marines were from Regimental Combat Team 8, of the 2nd Marine Division.
10 Marines Killed in Bombing Near Fallujah, Dec. 2, 2005

PROGRESS ON THE SECURITY TRACK

  • Our clear, hold, and build strategy is working:
    • Significant progress has been made in wresting territory from enemy control. During much
      of 2004, major parts of Iraq and important urban centers were no-go areas for Iraqi and
      Coalition forces. Fallujah, Najaf, and Samara were under enemy control. Today, these cities
      are under Iraqi government control, and the political process is taking hold.

National Strategy for Victory in Iraq (pdf), Nov. 30, 2005

Comments

ot, but:

Pilot Reports ‘Missile’ Fired at Jetliner Near LAX

Odd that at a time when Bush needs a “terrorist” attack that this is getting so little media play. Of course, maybe this is one of those “if at first you don’t succeed” kind of deceptions, and there is no need to report on the “dress rehearsal”.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 2 2005 17:43 utc | 1

Two U.S. Allies Leaving Iraq, More May Go
At least 2,109 U.S. service personnel have died since the beginning of the Iraq war, according to an Associated Press count.
When I saw this yesterday, I assumed it was a typo. But the count has not been changed. Ap is claiming that their own count indicates 2100 US dead in Iraq, almost twice the official figure.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 2 2005 17:48 utc | 2

this tyranny of the cheney bush junta is so fabulist in its offerings that any sort of reality – puts it to shame
wht is clear to anyone with eyes – is that they control nothing
& as b & anna missed mentioned almost a year ago here – they control only their immediate firebases(i forget what you call them in the military) & even these like the reen zone are incredibly vulnerable. & it seems to me it has been a strategic decision of the resistance to wait a certain mmoment for that vulnerability to be revealed. i don’t even think we have seen the beginning of what they are capable of
& jack mutha knows in what parlous state his beloved armed forces are in because his pals in it are clearly telling him they are down for the count
it is such a slaughterhouse
comments like rumsfield’s wanting to change the name of the ‘insurgency’ are at first comic then with a second though they become very dark indeed
so much of what this tyranny does is not so fr removed from the marx brothers ‘duck soup’ but there is nothing to laugh about, no nothing at all

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 2 2005 18:03 utc | 3

@ Uncle $cam, I saw that somewhere yesterday and wondered too. Here it is 2123.

Posted by: beq | Dec 2 2005 18:15 utc | 4

@beq
More than Moore?
Airliner Defense System Displayed

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 2 2005 18:44 utc | 5

So. We can expect (adjusting tin foil) an attack on a domestic airliner soon as w’s numbers tank? And to Northrup Grumman the spoils.

Posted by: beq | Dec 2 2005 18:53 utc | 6

Well at least somebody’s making a killing:
KBR workers in Iraq paid 50 cents an hour

Posted by: roro | Dec 2 2005 19:33 utc | 7

roro
those profiteers are like the caricatures of the 19th century – they are so unseemingly concerned with their own benefits in the middle of an abbatoirs tha they transform the notion of what constitutes ugliness
this week these profiteers & their henchmen the mercenaries who kill for profit & joy or for no reason at all have really taken humanity to darker places than they might have imagined
& who did the decor for the bushg speech – i think he must have been the designer of celebrity squares or one of thos interminable cher concerts in vegas

Posted by: r’giap | Dec 2 2005 19:41 utc | 8

And now, three soldiers have died in a vehicle accident in Iraq, and a soldier assigned to that Marine unit has died of his wounds.
Bush said that progress was being made, but I question which side is actually progressing. What I know for a fact is that there are 14 families who are NOT going to have a Merry Christmas because of Bush’s “staying the course” to victory.
I’m so damn angry I can’t even type straight!

Posted by: Ensley | Dec 2 2005 20:51 utc | 9

In light of my posts above something smells quite fishy here, behold:
Police stop truck carrying missile launchers on Toronto-area highway
and Military troop carriers seized on Hwy. 407

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 2 2005 21:24 utc | 10

The American ruling class thought Iraqis would be as easily satiated and propagandized as the typical American.
They didn’t expect this. I guess we Americans will be stuck with our WW2 movies for another generation, like senile twits mumbling to ourselves about the good old days. No honorable victory here.

Posted by: folkers | Dec 3 2005 7:03 utc | 11

Ten at once. Ten marines meet their Maker in a flash of furious fire and fallen friends. Human meat on the street, shattered and smoking and seeping. Eleven more left lying about, leaking life’s blood, hovering between heartbeats, waiting to be saved or to slip away. The whole world watching, seeing that this is where we are, and this is where we are going.
Tomorrow is today.
Where is safe in such a struggle? Point to the province that’s been pacified — there isn’t one. In a war with no fronts and no flanks there is only the ground you stand on at any given moment, and even that ground is compromised, under constant threat. The foxholes are confused; there is no perimeter. The turf you turn away from belongs to the enemy the second you show your back, because the enemy is every man, woman and child who lived here before you entered, and who lives here after you exit.
If you let them live. If they let you live.
This is no place for soldiers. Guerilla warfare is a game of ghosts, a game of frights, a monstrous mathematics of hearts and minds to be terrified or taken out. A game for spooks, not soldiers, for there is nothing brave about beating prisoners; there is no honor in scorching the earth.
This is no place for soldiers. Beyond vicious, this is a game for vampires. You can never conquer your opponent, only cut him, again, again, and again. You seek only to slice, to booby trap, to bleed the bastard. You seek territory only to destroy and deny it to your enemy. The goal posts in this game are stalemate, exhaustion and the ruination of everything useful.
Until that distant day when the last one standing wins whatever is left standing.
This is no place for soldiers. With nowhere to advance or retreat to, victory is impossible, for both sides. The only victory is political, and can only come by wasting soldiers, supplies, and cash beyond your enemy’s capacity to keep pace. Today is tomorrow, until one side bleeds out. The shooting only stops when one side loses faith in further shooting. Which means winning is never the goal, for either side. A decision to stop shooting is the goal. Your crisis of faith is their Holy Grail.
This is no place for soldiers. In such a struggle, hearts and minds are the only turf to contest. In such a struggle, headlines hit harder than artillery or airpower. Bribes beat bombs, and terror trumps all. In such a struggle, the gloves come off, and rules grow quaint. Whoever lives here must be too cowed to cross us, or go away, or become a ghost. As long as there’s a spark, as long as there are hearts and minds beyond control, you cannot win or hold real estate. You cannot say safe, or pacified, or free.
Guerilla wars are only ever won through the Final Solution, ethnic cleansing. Remove the troublemakers until order prevails, or until you have the place to yourself. That’s why we killed Jesus, and Geronimo, and Maura Clark, and Martin Luther King – the hearts and minds who heard them had to hear them die. The mojo of martyrs burns longer, but cooler. We may outlive the ghosts we put in the ground; we may gain their ground for our lifetimes, we may postpone their victory until after ours, and let them haunt people of another era.
Condi Rice knows all this. Her arrogant public remarks are merely whitewash for the great and gleaming Fortress of Solitude, the White House, where the man who never makes mistakes commands an oval bunker, and little else. Everything this Administration says about these twenty-one marines is a pure public pretense that the Iraqi resistance hasn’t just scored a major propaganda coup, worldwide. That this isn’t as big as the Tet Offensive.
Behind many closed doors in Washington, there is a lot of screaming to be heard, and many harsh demands that we get even tougher with a wayward indigenous population.
With the Iraqi people. The enemy.
And the European people. The enemy.
And with the American people. The real enemy.
The ones who count, if their votes are counted.
The neocon warmongers are being boiled alive by the Iraqi resistance, and now the struggle has come home to Orlando and Oregon and Ohio, to stay. The war is now on everyone who disagrees with the faltering American Empire, and all rules are quaint.
The whole world is watching, and understands that if the Iraqis can swat twenty-one marines at once, then they can swat as they please. That this is the same lesson conveyed by the Tet Offensive of 1968. That there is nothing the neocons can do except whitewash their public image, increase their threats and terror across the board, increase their grip on news and information, and seize control of hearts and minds worldwide.
And that this can’t be done.
And so, the whole world understands that the war on Iraq is over, except for the Bugout Fever to follow the December 15th elections. Seymour Hersh hints that, if we don’t get out, the Iraqis will deny us even the Green Zone, the most heavily defended and controlled bit of real estate in the whole of Iraq. No surprise there. Holding territory in a guerilla war is the same as lining up behind a “Shoot Me” sign. Which is no place for soldiers.
None of this is news to the experts in guerilla warfare at the Pentagon. They are well aware that the only winning strategy from here is to put the Iraqi population in lockdown. Move them to camps, hamlets, refugee areas. Ethnic cleansing in fact and practice, no matter what pretty name it is given by Condi and Rumsfeld and Friends.
Running concentration camps is no place for soldiers. Wholesale ethnic cleansing is something the American military is absolutely unwilling to do. That’s why General Pace so openly distanced himself from Don Rumsfeld on TV. That’s why he publicly and pointedly reminded every grunt over there that there ARE rules, and they DO apply to every man jack in khaki or blue, including YOU, soldier.
The message hit home. Rummy never saw the mad minute coming. It was an expert ambush; it was a mutiny, neat and clean. Rumsfeld was decapitated. He mumbled and stumbled and fumbled it. He screwed the pooch. He came off as not in command of himself or his men. With a few well chosen words, General Pace removed Rumsfeld from the field of honor. On international TV, in front of the whole world, Rumsfeld was fired by his own men. The first fragging under klieg lights, by satellite dish.
Thank you, General. Rummy’s world is no place for soldiers.

Posted by: Antifa | Dec 3 2005 7:37 utc | 12

Very excellent post Antifa,

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 3 2005 9:08 utc | 13

from me

Posted by: anna missed | Dec 3 2005 9:11 utc | 14

Never Fear. The End is in Sight.

Posted by: jj | Dec 3 2005 9:17 utc | 15

The inspections, the sanctions, the shock and awe, the invasion, the looting, the museum and library, the CPA, the directives, the road blocks, the searches, the patrols, the air strikes, the desecration of holy sites, the disregard for historic archeology, the sexual humiliation, the torture, the rape, the white phosphorus, the manipulation of the press, the wholesale destruction of Fallujah and Najaf, the death squads, the renditions, bring it on, the flypaper, the assination of journalists, the lies, the lies, and more lies, and then there are the maimed, the
traumatically dispossesed, and the dead themselves.
They did it all.
In the name of democracy.
In the name of America.
And it will be over
And never forgotten.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 3 2005 9:55 utc | 16

Thanks Antifa – great post

Posted by: b | Dec 3 2005 10:03 utc | 17

Forecasts for the American Expedition to Iraq by Fabius Maximus who thinks a U.S. retreat is inevitable:

Who are the big winners in this scenario?
First, our partners in the Coalition. Their willingness to follow our lead likely will be greatly reduced. Given how poorly we are managing our foreign affairs, this might be a good thing.
Second, the US people. A crusading fever has taken hold of the Center-Left and Center-Right elements of the political spectrum (Much of the extreme Right considers this idiotic. The extreme left considers it evil). Having seen the results, American public support for future expeditionary actions probably remains low for another generation.
Third, the US military. Thirty years after defeat in Vietnam, they still cannot successfully fight a fourth generation war. Our soldiers became clay pigeons, targets for enemy IEDs. All our General could do in response is boast about our Body Count.
The debate is over, and it’s back to the drawing board. Both the US and its enemy conducted a Revolution in Military Affairs. Theirs worked. Ours did not.
History suggests that our two thousand dead soldiers will not have died in vain IF we learn from this experience. This might prove cheap tuition for the US as we enter the era of Fourth Generation Warfare.

Posted by: b | Dec 3 2005 10:16 utc | 18

B, no final result in Iraq can allow for a separate Kurdistan, as you hypothesize. A separate Kurdistan will act like a black hole for Kurdish insurgents among all of the surrounding states. It will draw in the Turks, Syrians,Iranians and others as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. Sh’ite attacks on Sunnis will draw in the Saudi Arabians, who will ultimately wind up confronting the Iranians directly. The end-game you predict will result in total global catastrophe when the Oil Gulf is closed due to general war.

Posted by: PrahaPartizan | Dec 3 2005 15:18 utc | 19

antifa
a beautiful post

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 3 2005 15:21 utc | 20

The neocon warmongers are being boiled alive by the Iraqi resistance, and now the struggle has come home to Orlando and Oregon and Ohio, to stay. The war is now on everyone who disagrees with the faltering American Empire, and all rules are quaint.
I don’t see this where I live. University cities should be ground-zero for dissent. Yet, you can stroll around any college campus and not see any worried looks on the faces of students about The War.
No. As long as the US can feed a mercenary/standing army, this war is far from over.

Posted by: slothrop | Dec 3 2005 16:07 utc | 21

@PrahaPartizan B, no final result in Iraq can allow for a separate Kurdistan, as you hypothesize
Where do I hypothize such? A Kurdish state can not survive with Turkey, Iran, Syria and the rest of Iraq being deeply against it. It’s a landlocked country with some oil and unfriendly neighbors who will not allow transport over their soil (or ask for prohibitive prices). As Jordan may soon go down the hill too, it will get even worse.
Also the kurds themself are not really friendly to each other. The had a bitter fight against each other just a few years ago. The truce they made may not hold up.

Posted by: b | Dec 3 2005 18:02 utc | 22

Antifa’s offering is well written, and powerful. I was skeptical as I began the read, anticipating yet another wordy MOA post, BUT found an interesting progression. Yet, to what end? Worlds and wars aren’t constructed of such logic. To contemplate the futility is futile.

Posted by: Soandso | Dec 3 2005 18:26 utc | 23

I don’t see this where I live. University cities should be ground-zero for dissent. Yet, you can stroll around any college campus and not see any worried looks on the faces of students about The War.
No. As long as the US can feed a mercenary/standing army, this war is far from over.

This is an interesting observation, and it has puzzled me too. Not sure if this is absolutely correct, but the anti-war crowd appear to be middle-aged. The youth appear at best, perplexed. Students will demonstate against fee increases, against McDonalds maybe (green issues) – but that’s about it. Maybe it’s all too hard and the don’t really have a clue what’s going on – or if it was always so – that until their self-interest is threatened (draft) – students, like everyone else, don’t really give a shit.
They can sustain the mercenary/standing army for as long as they can print money.

Posted by: DM | Dec 3 2005 18:39 utc | 24

What If Bush Told the Truth at Annapolis
What Bush Might Have Said If He Ever Told the Truth
Satire by Peter Fredson
December 2, 2005
Our courageous American hero, George Bush, Lord of Missions Accomplished, gave another of his cloned speeches the other day at Annapolis, to a captive audience of bright and shining cadets, who had no idea what evil genius awaited their service. Some phrases from his speech were taken from the Neocon Strategy for Victory handbook years ago.
SCENE: George I is sitting in his bedroom having a drink when he accidentally mixed in a strong dose of truth serum that a CIA agent had prepared for the interrogation of a terror suspect. Later he gives this speech:
NATIONAL STRATEGERY FOR VICTORY IN IRAQ
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 2005 9:45 A.M. EST
GEORGE I: Thank you. Thanks, please be seated. Thanks for the warm welcome prepared by my staff. It’s good to be back at the Naval Academy where I came once as a visitor and made almost the same speech. I never attended any academy but like to pretend that I did…

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 3 2005 20:51 utc | 25

How U.S. troops are seen by Iraqis
More about the troops
How many more years of it? As long as America wants to stay you can guarantee more of the same week in, week out and outside of a family and friends nobody really gives a damn. Up to now the mainstream view still seems to be in favor of staying so Iraqis and Americans can expect years more of the meat grinder.

Posted by: Ducks | Dec 4 2005 0:41 utc | 26

Then and now …

“I never knew in the course of all those operations any detainee to live through his interrogation. They all died. There was never any reasonable establishment of the fact that any one of those individuals was, in fact, cooperating with the VC, but they all died and the majority were either tortured to death or things like thrown out of helicopters.”…”It [Phoenix] became a sterile depersonalized murder program… Equal to Nazi atrocities, the horrors of “Phoenix” must be studied to be believed.”
– Former “Phoenix” officer Bart Osborne, testifying before Congress in 1971

The ‘legitimate’ Iraqi Government Counter-Insurgency Program is an attempt to isolate and target specific individuals within the Insurgent network using Human Intelligence (HUMINT) sources. One US Army method for targeting this Insurgent infrastructure is the cordon and search method in which troops surround a village suspected of Insurgent activity, and interrogate and evacuate its population. Some operations are also military in nature, such as when ambushing an armed Insurgent squad at night between villages.
Provincial Interrogation Centers (PIC) were set up in each of the 18 Iraqi provinces. Most of the counter-infrastructure experts were in the Provincial Reconnaissance Units, called “PRUs.” Along with ex Saddam Ba’athists and ‘Secret Police’ Mukhabarat Intelligence officers, they also included Chilean, El Salvadoran and South African mercenaries (security contractors). These units of about 118 men each were recruited, trained and paid by the DOD and CIA, with the help of Navy SEALS and Green Beret special forces. They would then train, supervise and direct the ‘Elite’ Iraqi special police commandos such as the ‘Tiger’ and ‘Wolf’ Brigades.
Administrators of the program instituted quotas to be met by provincial offices, in an attempt to increase participation and effectiveness of the program. Typically, the quota was 1800 per province per annum.
Original unedited source here

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 4 2005 12:29 utc | 27

Well, its an ancient truth……. live by the sword and you will die by it.
I feel for the soldiers kids, but their fathers and mothers should have known better. In the end you reap what you sow. Should on the other side we meet the people we killed, some of those soldiers might have a busy time.

Posted by: George | Dec 4 2005 13:48 utc | 28

The neocon warmongers are being boiled alive by the Iraqi resistance, and now the struggle has come home to Orlando and Oregon and Ohio, to stay. The war is now on everyone who disagrees with the faltering American Empire, and all rules are quaint.
There is no question of the US leaving Iraq. Agreements that favor USuk and the grabbing of the oil fields will happen no matter what. That might take a hell of a lot of bombing, a puppet Gvmt., whatever.
What, who, where, how, is the Iraqi resistance? Much of the ‘terrorism’ in Iraq is to be laid at the door of various agents provocateurs – a murderous campaign to kill some who have expertise, influence or just a voice; to inflame everyone, and keep the strife going and the looming prospects of civil war hot.
Chaos is good.
Iraqis are bit by bit deprived of work, housing, clean water and communal services, schooling, locally produced food, the possibility of moving around, heat and coolness, health services, a responsible Gvmt. that can act, a place to lodge complaints, the rule of law for criminals, terrritorial management and police which for example guarantee safe roads, and so on.
It they become violent through despair, they are stigmatised as terrorists, and can look forward to the same treatment as Palestinians. For the moment, they still think that a brutal occupation and various smarmy manouvers by different groups are fucking them up. If that would end, they would be OK. No. If the US ‘leaves’ there will still be DU, filthy water, no elecritcity and the need to buy Aussie wheat and left over pork fat from the US. There will still be raids and torture, and girls will wear the veil, be abducted and raped as usual.
Who in Oregon and Ohio is against genocide far away and willing to do something about it? And in Florida? Give me a break.
Some Amercian has his library record checked, complains, so he is a resistor, while Iraquis choke on their blood, die from diarrhea, can’t buy meat, watch their babies die, live in fear.

Posted by: Noisette | Dec 4 2005 18:56 utc | 29

Americans Welcome Iraqi Troops
(AP Photo/Jacob Silberberg)
An American man speaks to his son while Iraqi Marines watch in the courtyard of his house in El Paso, Texas, eight miles from New Mexico, Saturday, Dec. 3, 2005.
Americans thank the Iraqi soldiers every day for liberating them from the Bush regime. Although they have occupied the United States for nearly three years, most Americans do not wish them to leave, fearing that Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and other Americo-fascist terrorist gangs fighting the occupation will seize the country if they withdraw too soon, leading to a bloodbath of sectarian violence and civil war.
Elsewhere in America, nine Iraqi soldiers were killed and four wounded by an IED near Amarillo, Texas. Although a video tape from the Patrick Henry Brigade claimed responsibility, General Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, Commander of the Multi-National Liberation Forces, said that the Charles Manson terrorist organization, made up of foreign fighters, had organized the attack.
The Manson Network has been blamed for most of the terrorist attacks launched against Iraqi soldiers. His primitive fanatical fundamentalist followers believe that if they die fighting Coalition forces, they will be taken to heaven on the wings of an American bird called a “dove” and welcomed there by Jesus. There is a reward of 25,000,000 dinars offered for Mansons’ capture.
General al-Hakim noted that “This is really about a clash of civilizations. The Anglo-Saxon culture, which dominates in America, is directly descended from the Vikings, who looted, raped, burned, slaughtered the innocent, and spread terror throughout the civilized world. Nothing has changed since. We are here on a civilizing mission. Someday they will thank us. And their children are so cute. They just love the candy, pencils, and soccer balls we give them.”
Commenting on recent news stories, the General denied that American prisoners were being tortured in Coalition detention centers. “Of the 6,495,000 American now detained, only a few have complained about their treatment. What would you expect terrorists to say? Ha ha.”
The General admitted that nearly 18,000 Americans have been killed at Coalition checkpoints, but said that “they have all been warned, and only crackheads and drunks” have been shot. When asked about children killed at checkpoints, he noted that “in America, even children become crackheads and drunks.” “It is regrettable, but this is war, and the American terrorists are responsible for every death,” he said.
“If they would only accept reality, and stop their attacks on Coalition forces, there would be no casualties.”

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2005 4:05 utc | 30

Well said Folker: You cracked me up.
Antifa: Good piece. But nothing is about to end anytime soon. Except for the bright, easy fantasy. We might, just might, forgo the temptations of genocide. This is really the last significant choice-point remaining to us. And then we will be destroyed, in accordance with how we have chosen.

Posted by: Gaianne | Dec 7 2005 19:16 utc | 31

I don’t see this where I live. University cities should be ground-zero for dissent. Yet, you can stroll around any college campus and not see any worried looks on the faces of students about The War.
I’d bet that universities would be a lot less quiet if the draft was still in place and, like the later years in Vietnam, there were no student deferments.

Posted by: Joe F | Dec 7 2005 20:35 utc | 32