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December 9, 2005
Torture Works

Qaeda-Iraq Link U.S. Cited Is Tied to Coercion Claim

The Bush administration based a crucial prewar assertion about ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda on detailed statements made by a prisoner while in Egyptian custody who later said he had fabricated them to escape harsh treatment, according to current and former government officials.

The man was renditioned to Egypt, was tortured and testified on Al Qaeda-Iraq links. The professionals did not believe him, but the Cheney administration did use the testimony to justify the Iraq war.

So it did work for them. Too lazy to make up the lies themself I guess.

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Another piece on torture in the LA Times Dark Days in Prisons at Home and Abroad
The man was tortured in Guantanamo and is now back in Russia where he gets tortured too.
Aside form such banalities there are hints about medical torture in Guantanamo. Something that so far has not come up but what I think is very likely.

He came home to the Caucasus region nothing like the broad-shouldered wrestling champion who had gone off to study Islam with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
He could barely walk unaided. His eyes were yellow from hepatitis, his heart fluttered, his head throbbed, family members said. Kudayev would sit up in the kitchen all night, telling his brother how guards at Guantanamo forced him to take medicine that made him sick and left him alternately to freeze and suffocate by opening and closing the ventilation system in a cramped isolation cell.

His liver was swollen from the hepatitis he and several other Russian prisoners said they contracted at Guantanamo. Heart and blood-pressure problems sometimes left him unable to rise off the couch. He had frequent headaches.

Mokayev said his brother told him of being forced to kneel with his hands cuffed to his ankles, being sprayed with a gel that caused a painful rash, then carried out, still shackled, and hosed down with a stream of water.

He was forced to take unidentified pills that gave him chest pains and made his muscles feel like stone.
“They beat them if they didn’t want to take these pills, and they would administer them by force to them,” Tekayeva said. “Afterward, he would just hunch into a fetal position.”
The U.S. has denied forcing medication or any other abuse at Guantanamo but as a matter of policy does not comment on individual cases.

What are those pills, that gel and how do several people get hepatitis in Guantanamo???

Posted by: b | Dec 9 2005 9:48 utc | 1

Yeah, I saw this story a week or two ago. I honestly didn’t believe that it was possible for the Bush Pirates to sink any lower in my estimation, but they managed it.

Posted by: Rowan | Dec 9 2005 11:21 utc | 2

after pussy footing around the obvious about libi’s assertions under torture finally the first msm report admitting they tortured him until he gave us what we wanted. the truth was never the objective.

Posted by: annie | Dec 9 2005 16:53 utc | 3

The whole point of torture is to break a person down so that he will say what you tell him to say. He will do anything not to be hurt again. These methods were never designed to elicit information. From the witch trials to the Spanish Inquisition to the gulag, the whole point of torture is to justify a pre-planned course of action. As the cliche goes, it’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

Posted by: JR | Dec 9 2005 16:59 utc | 4

Too lazy to make up the lies themself I guess.
Yes, and that is a weakness. It shows how much they need group-think, a hierarchical structure, and auto-suggestion. ‘They’ need to really believe (and no doubt many do) or at least to semi-believe in a temporary fashion. At the top, of course, these mechanisms are understood.
So they are very much into interpreting signs and portents (here, one finds a link to religion, various cults, zany belief systems, etc.) and to getting hysterically involved in details – recall the cardboard missiles, the tiny vial of dead botulim, the movable bio labs which were clapped out trucks, the 45 min claim, etc., Atta’s alleged trip to Prague, etc.
It is a peculiar way of interpreting ‘reality’. At the same time, this folderol works, as the public is American too, and follows the same bent: damning details are endlessly dwelled upon, mendaciously re-interpreted, etc. I suppose a very individualistic society is condemned to decode everything as if one was dealing with rowdy, pesky neighbors (Holy bananas, didja see that, they left the broken lawn mover right there in front..) or personal relations (the suspicious husband who watches his wife and convinces himself she is unfaithful..).
When things get serious, reality resists: no WMD were found in Iraq. It doesn’t matter much….or does it? Part of the past, move on, nothing to see here.
In this way, in function of personal aims and interests, friend can turn into foe, or vice-versa, in the space of three weeks. No consistency, loyalty, truth or hard analysis is necessary. Power turns the world into a high school, with its shifting personal loves and hates and mini groups, all rivals playing image games and jockeying for domination, breaking the ‘rules’ whenever they can.
The non-people (prisoners, towel-heads, etc.) thus become fair game or legitimate fodder for anything that can be dreamed up.
The problem with this way of acting is that it is based on the presumption of a setting, a world, which is stable; which adheres to certain clear values, and has self- or other- imposed limits (e.g. the high school), even if these are basically unjust.
When the world is no longer stable (which it is not today) the strategy breaks down, as too much energy must be expended on keeping it as it was.
Disclaimer: No primary anti-Americanism on my part, I am just trying to figure things out; the French in Algeria were horrendous as well, but in a different (and not better!) way..

Posted by: Noisette | Dec 9 2005 17:21 utc | 5

C’mon quit the small talk.
Ask the real question, Is America dead and has democracy died with it?
Is it time to start again?

Posted by: EINSTEIN | Dec 9 2005 19:43 utc | 6

what democracy?

Posted by: Noisette | Dec 9 2005 19:58 utc | 7