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December 11, 2005
Calendar Problems

Viveka Novak, a journalist for Time who last week testified in the Plamegate case, spills her beans about the questions Fitzgerald put to her.

Turns out she had a calender problem similar to Judy Miller’s.

Luskin, Rove’s attorney, is a longtime source and friend of V. Novak. They came together for some wine several times a year.

Rove in his first testimonies did not disclose that he had mentioned Valerie Plame to Time reporter Cooper Miller. He later changed that testimony. That could be the base of a perjury charge.

Luskin says this change came because he, Luskin, was tipped off by V. Novak that Rove might have talked to Cooper Miller and only after this tip off a Rove email was found by Luskin that reflected the phone call between Rove and Miller. That email then, Luskin says, was the base for Rove to change his story.

Fitzgerald of course did want to check Luskin’s tell and had a first talk with V. Novak on Nov 10. This was not under oath and Novak did not disclose that talk to Time. Novak does confirm Luskin’s story:

Toward the end of one of our meetings, I remember Luskin looking at me and saying something to the effect of "Karl doesn’t have a Cooper problem. He was not a source for Matt." I responded instinctively, thinking he was trying to spin me, and said something like, "Are you sure about that? That’s not what I hear around TIME." He looked surprised and very serious. "There’s nothing in the phone logs," he said.

But she was unsure when that conversation happened.

Fitzgerald wanted to know when this conversation occurred. At that point I had found calendar entries showing that Luskin and I had met in January and in May. Since I couldn’t remember exactly how the conversation had developed, I wasn’t sure. I guessed it was more likely May.

Fitzgerald must have smelled something fishy here, because he later came back and asked V. Novak to repeat her testimony under oath. Now mysteriously a new date is found in her calender.

Fitzgerald had asked that I check a couple of dates in my calendar for meetings with Luskin. One of them, March 1, 2004, checked out. I hadn’t found that one in my first search because I had erroneously entered it as occurring at 5 a.m., not 5 p.m.

When Fitzgerald and I met last Thursday, along with another lawyer from his team, my attorney, a lawyer from Time Inc. and the court reporter, he was more focused. The problem with the new March date was that now I was even more confused–previously I had to try to remember if the key conversation had occurred in January or May, and I thought it was more likely May. But March was close enough to May that I really didn’t know. "I don’t remember" is an answer that prosecutors are used to hearing, but I was mortified about how little I could recall of what occurred when.

The timing is of course all important. Rove first testified to the Grand Jury in February 2004. So the big question here, if the V.Novak story is believable at all, is
whether Luskin did get her tip on Cooper before or after that Rove interview.

Please notice that March is just as close to January as it is to May, Indeed, March 1 is obviously closer to January than to May.

We may never get the answers, but Fitzgerald’s step to take a second testimony from her under oath and that curious calender problem open a new set of questions.

Comments

it would be a blessed thing – if you b or aniie our specialist on the matter could take us through all this again
to put it mildly – i am a little confused about the affair tho i have no doubts about the criminality of karl rove

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 11 2005 17:52 utc | 1

I will try to do so later this week. It just takes a LOT of time. There is another piece from Time that also puts V.Novak’s piece into context.

Posted by: b | Dec 11 2005 17:59 utc | 2

b
i meant that half jokingly & do not want to make demands on yr time that i imagine are already sorely tested
tho i would love a synthesis
i visit firedoglake rarely this month as i am trying to wean myself from being a jurisprudential junkie, that i find there is a kind of ‘law & order’ -‘sex & the city’ fetishism there, that simply put i’m finding it so labrynthine that it seems you neeed to be a gnostic scholar in good standing – which i am clearly not
tho the poster here who are – would be doing us a world of good to clear up matters

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 11 2005 18:11 utc | 3

r’giap, i’ve been following it. firedoglake is up to speed but it requires reading all the comments to really keep abreast and that is not something i choose to do (this place is way more satisfying) . but, something i am not hearing out there in etherland is that fitz may be using this info in a completely different way than we imagine. people assume this new viv news could possibly get rove off and i’m not buying it. i think he already has him by the balls and just finds him more useful on the outside. one would have to do a total mindstretch to think rove didn’t ‘remember’ telling cooper until luskin via viv jogged his memory via the hadley memo, which btw was never really sent, only in a draft file which is why hadley didn’t have a copy,
also the timing of this revelation in terms of when luskin told
fitz happened w/in days of woodwards discloser and no one is even mentioning how maybe viv relates to that. in fact no one is even chatting about who told viv or haw many people at time knew and why all of them aren’t hauled in give their stories under oath.
so there is only so much all the armchair plamoligists can do because the one person who is driving this is silent. (fitz) we could be all speculating how viv might get rove off when he may in fact be using it for the cheney entanglement. also, the longer rove is out, the more little threads he dishes out to stave off indictment, the more he gives fitz, voila.
also, we have no idea how much fitz collected prior to this being highradar. only this fall were people required to enter thru the front of the building to testify. before that no one rerally had a way of keeping track who fitz was desposing. my guess considering how it took him 4 years to snag the gov of illinois after indicting over 60 people on a circle around him, he is not hashing away on just rove. i also think the timing of the libby indictment was to just get one under his belt before the old grand jury expired. in other words, i think he would have dangled libby also had he not caused concern he was continuing w/new grand jury on a fishing expedition.
of course this is all just speculation. viv is highlighted right now and woodward is old news, but much more interesting. i advise holding onto your hat, it could be a long ride, and i have every confidence in fitz. he would not have talked to viv if he didn’t think it was going to help his case. IMHO
ps, lets not forget he subpeonaed those italian sismi doc and the fbi is opening an investigation re niger docs and fitz is a wiz w/terrorists and these cases could merge , easily
i wouldn’t call viv a non event , just a very tiny piece of a big puzzle.

Posted by: annie | Dec 11 2005 23:25 utc | 4

Interesting post on kos suggesting a January date:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/11/214533/69

Posted by: Brian Boru | Dec 12 2005 3:56 utc | 5

Where the hell is our billmon?
He’s usually all over stuff like this and cuts through the bullshit.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 12 2005 3:57 utc | 6

Where the hell is our billmon,/I>
maybe he’s not ours anymore. we were pretty brutal back when. i know firedog is taking the lead w/the plame fiasco, but billmon is still the best in my book. and w/delay/lincolm/renton/ whatever, his take on pinter. i just miss him every single day. a few times a day.

Posted by: annie | Dec 12 2005 7:05 utc | 7

maybe it’s seasonal, he was gone during this period last year. zilch thru the election except for the scull. he will come back. won’t he?

Posted by: annie | Dec 12 2005 7:08 utc | 8

I don’t think you can post at the high quality Billmon does and maintain that permanently. Something will act as a trigger and upset him, but he’ll be back eventually. Last year I think it was the media getting so damn excited about blogs and the election. This time it might be the fight he had here.
But seriously, I’m okay with a lack of obsessive Plame analysis. It’s not terribly interesting most of the time, and honestly, the outing of a CIA agent is probably a good thing. I want to see the Bush Pirates on trial for war crimes, not petty crimes.

Posted by: Rowan | Dec 12 2005 8:59 utc | 9

@Rowan
I want to see the Bush Pirates on trial for war crimes, not petty crimes.
They will bring the whole nation to complete and utter destruction, before they go down. They will not relinquish the absolute power they wield to sit in a jail cell or stand before a firing squad. On that you can bet your life.
worse to come, so says Dante.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 12 2005 9:11 utc | 10

Hmmm. I hadn’t actually thought about what they would do if it actually came to pass that their grasp on power was in serious jeapardy, say, by an impeachment proceeding. If their delay-and-smear tactics don’t work, then what? Some of them, I think, have a measure of respect for the rule of law. Possibly even Bush, expecting a pardon. But if Cheney AND Bush come under legitimate attack?
The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say “another terrorist attack” but I don’t think that’s the way they operate. Martial law seems more likely. The potential threat of an attack on the Congress causes a massive amount of heavily armed guards to enter the building. Maybe a bodyguard for each congressman.
Could they get away with assassinating Ftz? I doubt it. A well-placed Representative or two? That’s….doable.

Posted by: Rowan | Dec 12 2005 9:46 utc | 11

A “terrorist” attack that takes out Fitzgerald. Rove would be given the Medal of Freedom for that one.

Posted by: Pyrrho | Dec 12 2005 13:40 utc | 12

I’ve always thought suicide was a weapon used to control others.
Hitler was the ultimate control freak.
Hitler brought down his whole nation with himself.

Posted by: pb | Dec 12 2005 17:08 utc | 13

hardball Unraveling the CIA Leak Case
this sounds pretty damning towards cheney. a fairly flushed out review

Posted by: annie | Dec 13 2005 5:10 utc | 14

new raw story

Short of a last minute intervention by Rove’s attorney, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is expected to ask a grand jury investigating the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson to indict Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove for making false statements to the FBI and Justice Department investigators in October 2003, lawyers close to the case say.
Rove is also under scrutiny for allegedly telling his assistant not to log a phone call from Cooper, the sources said. Rove’s assistant, Susan Ralston, provided Fitzgerald with information last month in which she alleged that Rove told her not to log a call from Cooper that was transferred to Rove’s office from the White House switchboard, sources close to the case said. The lawyers added that Luskin and Rove have an explanation for that as well, but declined to elaborate.

wouldn’t it be nice if fitz could get some new indictments under his belt before he takes a break for the holidays. a nice gift for us.

Posted by: annie | Dec 13 2005 20:54 utc | 15

annie is our Plameologist. Thanks, annie.

Posted by: beq | Dec 14 2005 17:36 utc | 16

me too thankie annie you are our fitgeralologist – you stakhnovite you

Posted by: r’giap | Dec 14 2005 17:43 utc | 17

ohh beq, i just follow raw story links for the most part. but i am honored for the title. my presumptions start w/whoever i want to be indicted and work backward! the latest scoop is the NR fresh spin, a slimy little expose about fitz grasping at straws, dropping the casual line about libby being woodwards source. complete BS ,imho . i am confident woody’s source is higher up the food chain than libby, possibly the bushman himself. meanwhile this morn, fitz is meeting w/the gj again,methinks roves indictment time is very near.

Posted by: annie | Dec 14 2005 17:53 utc | 18

very strange the comment was cut in half! i will continue and now here’s r’giap flattering me too! ok, for the rest of my comment
the latest scoop is the NR fresh spin, a slimy little expose about fitz grasping at straws, dropping the casual line about libby being woodwards source. complete BS ,imho . i am confident woody’s source is higher up the food chain than libby, possibly the bushman himself. meanwhile this morn, fitz is meeting w/the gj again,methinks roves indictment time is very near.
what’s a stakhnovite ??

Posted by: annie | Dec 14 2005 17:57 utc | 19

“my presumptions start w/whoever i want to be indicted and work backward!” LOL. Works for me.

Posted by: beq | Dec 14 2005 17:58 utc | 20

ps, i have a crush on fitz, that’s one of the reasons i stalk !! i like the smart ones, can you tell?

Posted by: annie | Dec 14 2005 18:00 utc | 21

Live: PATRIOT Act: Watch the house Action right NOW!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Dec 14 2005 18:01 utc | 22

whoever i want to be indicted
yeah, i about fell out of my seat when i watched that hardball episode , they got awfully close to pronouncing it a conspiracy and may have even used the word. totally implicated cheney. i’m surprised it wasn’t referenced in the blogs, no one seemed to have linked to it except for the dissent media blog.
thanks uncle, i’m watching conyers right now, good catch

Posted by: annie | Dec 14 2005 18:08 utc | 23

“I’m confident the president knows who the source is,” Novak told a luncheon audience at the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh on Tuesday. “I’d be amazed if he doesn’t.”
“So I say, ‘Don’t bug me. Don’t bug Bob Woodward. Bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is.’ ”
!!!!!
guess i’m not the only person thinking bush is implicated as a source.
wow, pretty heated debate going on in the house.

Posted by: annie | Dec 14 2005 18:20 utc | 24

test?

Posted by: R | Dec 17 2005 4:23 utc | 25

back?

Posted by: DM | Dec 17 2005 5:37 utc | 26