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November 8, 2005
WB: War Plan
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Arkin’s “Early Warning” column is on my toolbar!: Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 8 2005 22:22 utc | 1 Yay! billmon’s back! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 8 2005 22:26 utc | 2 Or perhaps put another way by another writer who’s best work, not to mention guts, also never let us down: Pseudo Libby Bushgeois: “Let them eat peace.” Posted by: ‘potjs93 | Nov 8 2005 22:31 utc | 4 So “planning” and “preparation” for wars of agression are, in themselves, war crimes. Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 8 2005 22:50 utc | 5 Excellent point. Posted by: DM | Nov 8 2005 22:59 utc | 6 Speaking of war crimes, there’s also the allegation that white phosphorus was used against. civilians at Fallujah last November. The allegation has been around for awhile–Democracy Now says Dahr Jamail made it right after the final assault and we also have the famous Lancet paper which said nothing about WP, but did report that the neighborhood they sampled in Fallujah had suffered massive civilian casualties in the summer from US bombs. Too bad we don’t have a free press devoted to uncovering the truth, because something like that could come in handy in trying to determine just what we’ve been doing to Iraqi civilians. Posted by: Donald Johnson | Nov 8 2005 23:01 utc | 7 Thanks Uncle its been a long while since I’ve read any Neville. He’s much more pithy in writing than on a talk show. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 9 2005 0:09 utc | 9 @Uncle $cam Posted by: DM | Nov 9 2005 0:11 utc | 10 DM wrote: “Now, who is gonna indict the Pentagon under Article 6 of the Charter of Nuremberg ?” Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 9 2005 0:30 utc | 11 @ Donald Johnson: Posted by: catlady | Nov 9 2005 1:13 utc | 12 “As for the offspring? They’ll work something out. After all none of us get our lives handed to us on a silver platter.” You’re missing something that Tante has been pointing out. We have a future like Argentina’s recent past to look forward to. We’re going to be digging ourselves out of debt to the foreigners. If we do it quickly, we have about 10 to 20 years of financial panics then a massive collapse. the slow method is what looks like a gradual catch-up by the developing nations to our standard of living while we moan about our poor prospects at home. Posted by: christofay | Nov 9 2005 1:32 utc | 13 I think it will happen, a war crimes trial, and in my lifetime — which is max 30 years from today. I wish, I wish, I wish. I hope Bob Herbert or Paul Krugman picks this up and runs with it. These guys will not be able to travel abroad for the rest of their lives, and if we have an honest government two or three elections down the line, they won’t have safe haven here either. We live in hope. Posted by: Knut Wicksell | Nov 9 2005 1:52 utc | 14 Why do clowns who pass lofty judgments on Billmon turn right around and drink his liquor so they can get high and spout off to one another? Derelicts? Certainly, dereliction of duty. Posted by: razor | Nov 9 2005 2:27 utc | 15 I, too, fervently wish that the chief members of the Cheney Administration get a fair trial. I would like it to be in the U.S., for treason. Posted by: mistah charley | Nov 9 2005 2:42 utc | 16
I wouldn’t agree with Gonzo that we’re Nazis–Terre Haute isn’t en route to become the new Buchenwald–but I shall add this: Poland was more of a threat to Germany in 1939 than Iraq was to America in 2003. Posted by: Diamond LeGrande | Nov 9 2005 2:51 utc | 17 Diamond, in that case Mars was a threat to Germany too. One of the more bizaar statements. Posted by: christofay | Nov 9 2005 2:56 utc | 18 i have so much hope. the post gives me great encouragement Posted by: annie | Nov 9 2005 3:16 utc | 19 “The offspring?” asked Bush. “Who cares about the offspring? What have future generations ever done for us?” Posted by: lonesomeG | Nov 9 2005 4:34 utc | 20 @christofay Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 9 2005 4:39 utc | 21
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 9 2005 4:47 utc | 22 let’s back up didn’t bush say “History, we don’t know. We’ll all be dead ?’ doesn’t sound like anyone considering his offspring Posted by: annie | Nov 9 2005 4:50 utc | 23 Ah, but all they good Xtians and they’s offspring will get raptured up first. Posted by: catlady | Nov 9 2005 6:01 utc | 25 “The planning process, according to the internal documents, includes courses of action for cross border operations to seal the Syrian-Iraqi border and destroy safe havens supporting the Iraqi insurgency…” Posted by: Pat | Nov 9 2005 6:07 utc | 26 Submitted for your consideration, as Rod Serling used to say. Posted by: Lupin | Nov 9 2005 7:36 utc | 29 Overheard today from an NPR reporter on the torture bill – “….the so-called War on Terror…” Posted by: Rowan | Nov 9 2005 8:41 utc | 30 From Steve Clemmons, http://www.thewashingtonnote.com , is trying to organize a citizens arrest — at the American Enterprise Institute — in DC tomorrow — of Ahmad Chalabi, where he is a speaker: Posted by: anna missed | Nov 9 2005 9:25 utc | 31 One more crime should be added to the list of potential charges: starting a war with no clear idea of how to end it. Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 9 2005 9:49 utc | 32 Digby has the goods on the emerging swiftboat smear against Joe Wilson, and man, are they desperate. X-Generals (think x-presidents, SNL’s Smiegal) Mcinerney and Paul Vallely(&now Fox military analyst) — who are both players in neo-con circles — are claiming to have heard Wilson bragging about his covert wifes cia status in, of all places, the FOX green room. I guess it never occured to them to tell Fitz about this, but givin their history, especially Vallely, who co-authored From PSYOPS to Mind War: the Psychology of Victory, they could be the ghost writers of the whole “we’re inventing history” nutcase thing so popular in the Cheny chain of command. Mcinerney was part of the Iran Policy Group( along with Ledeen) so these guys have been serious players, but to drag them out in defense of the administration — which flys in the face of THE investigation, by not going directly to him (to testify) in favor of going to the MSM, not only undermines their credibility, but also throws into the feeding frenzy engulfing the administration a whole juke-box full of the totaly crazy, demented thinking that has all along been what they have been dancing to — late into the night. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 9 2005 10:25 utc | 33 Never heard of Richard Neville before. Went to the website. Some of his writing is great, prescient and incisive, some a little overblown and pompous. Nevertheless, his Howl update is fantastic. I wish we had posted it on the Ginsburg thread.
As far as Fallujah and the use of napalm and white phosphorus, see my post on a previous thread. My husband and I were in Germany on vacation last month. We spent an afternoon at the Nazi Documentation Center in Nuremburg. I know we’ve talked about this around the blogosphere for years, but the similarities between Germany in the 1930s and our country under Bushco were scary. There is no doubt that Rove used the Nazis as a model for the present day (mis)administration. Especially striking to us was the Myth of the Fuhrer. From Google: Posted by: Susan S | Nov 9 2005 14:15 utc | 36 I don’t like takes on Howl. It is too easy to put a gloss on. I was reading a fashion magazine in the early nineties and whoever the subject of the article was was claiming some title for his version. So better to stay off it as too much of this will degrade the original. Posted by: christofay | Nov 9 2005 14:16 utc | 37
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 9 2005 14:32 utc | 38 Today’s “Der Spiegal” looks back to November 8 … 1939: Posted by: erichwwk | Nov 9 2005 15:11 utc | 39 The annual ‘publicly’ acknowledged budget of our military ‘defense’ expenditure is more than the entire military budgets of the next 42 largest nations militaries of the world, combined. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 9 2005 15:34 utc | 40 A step back in time (2002) … a paper from the American Society of International Law.
Yeah, right, tell it to Cheney and his front-man, the Preznit. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 9 2005 16:06 utc | 41 The cycles of violence must end.
Perpetuating war in the Middle East, makes us less safe, not more.
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 9 2005 16:47 utc | 42 They don’t comply with laws, they are, da Law. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 9 2005 16:53 utc | 43
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 9 2005 17:28 utc | 44 “money shot” from a Laura Rozen piece: Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 9 2005 18:53 utc | 46
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 9 2005 19:00 utc | 47 @Susan S:
and @Outraged:
From There Are No Neo-Cons In Foxholes:
The Rovian — “Mayberry Machiavellis”– enlistment of the religious right and the hagiography of Bush is precisely this sort of cynical manipulation. Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 9 2005 19:46 utc | 48 The argument would be made that, legally speaking, a war of aggression is generally considered to be any war for which the purpose is not to repel an invasion, or respond to an attack on the territory of a sovereign nation. (source: Wikipedia) @Sakitume
Original unedited source here. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 9 2005 20:19 utc | 51
Original unedited source Here Posted by: Outraged | Nov 9 2005 20:36 utc | 52 |
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