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November 4, 2005
WB: The Cheney Administration
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Here is the NPR recording. Froomkin has a part of the transcript. I think that what’s going in is a slow-motion coup by establishment Republicans: the elder Bush, Scowcroft, Powell. Wilkerson is acting as their point man. The Cheney Regency failed when Cheney quit following the game plan. The establishment must set up a new Regency to keep Junior under control and to try to undo some of the damage. Posted by: Iowan | Nov 4 2005 20:08 utc | 3 in dilip hiro’s january 2004 book, secrets and lies, he wrote that when bush was putting his admin together, the only two members he personally picked were powell and rice, and then he let cheney pick the rest. there may be other info which refutes whether selection actually happened this way (though hiro always seems very credible), but at the time i found it interesting. even more so now, since it’s looking like powell is helping poppy protect junior. so, was there some kind of a priori arrangement made where the crazies could sit in the drivers seat, so long as the bush mafia had enough leverage to take them out when they started getting too reckless,, yet still retain control? has shrub been manipulated by all sides? Posted by: b real | Nov 4 2005 20:28 utc | 4 I think that what’s going in is a slow-motion coup by establishment Republicans Posted by: Aigin | Nov 4 2005 20:30 utc | 5 “Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, then the secretary of state, told National Public Radio he had traced a trail of memos and directives authorizing questionable detention practices up through Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s office directly to Cheney’s staff.” Posted by: Pat | Nov 4 2005 20:42 utc | 6 This doesn’t surprise me in the least. However, what neither Bilmon nor the IHT addresses is WHERE’S THE PROOF? Without it, this will be yet another Story of the Shrub presidency’s essential corruption that dissapears due to lack of authentication. In other words it’s all hearsay until the documentation arrives. Posted by: Berk | Nov 4 2005 20:56 utc | 7 Happily the American People are far in advance of Billmon. 53% Support Impeachment of Both if georgie lied about the war. Leaving georgie is No Solution. Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 20:58 utc | 8 @Pat+@Berk – you are right. It is all hearsay and I called it vague and that´s why I didn´t write about it. You’re missing the point w/concerns about the evidence. Firstly, by having powerful men speak out, it gives the foot soldiers in corporate press permission to not tow the line. Secondly, they’re trying to get the drumbeat going. They don’t want to let the story drop. So, if looks like it might, they’ll just give an attack speech to tide them over. Thirdly, this is about mass manipulation. just as in the past everyday was more pro-georgie propaganda, now they’re flooding the system w/anti-cheney crap. cheney isn’t going to be impeached. The Elite is simply telling him that he doesn’t have their support , any longer. He cannot govern w/out it. This is just to push him into stepping down for “medical reasons”. Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 21:23 utc | 11 The “worse than Watergate” appellation increasingly tagged to the misdeeds, both foreign and domestic, of the Bush/Cheney Administration will, in time, be proved to be a tepid under-exaggeration of just how grave is our current “crisis of goverance.” A mighty, mighty tussel is afoot, my friends, between the de facto perpetrators of a radical coup — the Cheney “cabal,” indeed — and all the forces, from establishment Republicans down through the political spectrum to progressive barflys like me and you, who must now stand up to thwart these usurpers and rescue our nation. Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 4 2005 21:37 utc | 12 What’s really bloody depressing about this – and an impt. thing to watch – is how all the stuff about “democracy” is just a fig leaf. In Reality, a handful of Men Rule America. When they’ve had enough, their representatives in the WH will be tossed aside. Actually, it’s really scary. And nothing even to celebrate, esp. when people say stupid things like that only cheney should be tossed. Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 21:45 utc | 13 Here we go again! Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 4 2005 21:56 utc | 14
Mr. Fitzgerald, please come to the white courtesy telephone. Mr. Fitzgerald, you are needed in the espionage section. Posted by: Alopex Lagopus | Nov 4 2005 22:03 utc | 15 rule by the rich.. twas ever thus-call them whigs or republicans or dems– Posted by: Dr Wu -I’m just an ordinary guy | Nov 4 2005 22:11 utc | 16 I think these guys will be dropping morsels of documents to the press until Cheney is smoked out. I think Wilkerson’s first going public was a shot across the bow. This one is a shot into the rigging. The CIA prison story is meant to rattle a few spars too. Posted by: Alopex Lagopus | Nov 4 2005 22:18 utc | 17 If Cheney has done anything outrageous, it is the public face he put on torture. Better leave that sort of business to the pros. Posted by: slothrop | Nov 4 2005 22:20 utc | 18 I own Reuters and I have decided to move against Cheney. Posted by: Rupert Murdoch | Nov 4 2005 22:34 utc | 19 Impeachment is not the issue. It could be a result. Posted by: jm | Nov 4 2005 22:57 utc | 20 it’s paradoxical that despite this government’s strides into greater secrecy & control over information, their crimes become that much more transparent. whether this can be attributed to the hubris & incompetency of our culture-at-large or the current criminals in charge is a whole other melting ball of wax. Posted by: b real | Nov 4 2005 22:59 utc | 21 One could make the case that they are sawing off the limb that Cheney is perched on. All these fantasy scenarios about Cheney resigning and Bush appointing Jebbie or McCain VP don’t see as fanciful right now. Posted by: Phil from New York | Nov 4 2005 22:59 utc | 22 I would like to see conspiracy charges brought against them. So removal might make this less possible. Increasing public opposition will help. Posted by: jm | Nov 4 2005 23:10 utc | 23 If Cheney can get the US Senate to ease torture restrictions, that immediately and unequivocably dilutes and probably null-and-voids liability for same-same that has occured apriori, here or G’MO. Posted by: clever bastard | Nov 4 2005 23:10 utc | 24 So Iowan is partly right. I think the Main Street Republicans are trying to “save” Bush, because they can’t throw him overboard. Plus, if they can get rid of Cheney, they can put in a new caretaker to make sure that Georgie doesn’t do anything too stupid. Too, I think they may truly be frightened at how out of control the situation has spun. It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 4 2005 23:19 utc | 25 Did Powell think we needed more troops going in? Did Powell aware of the prisoner abuse regeim was being put into placeas it happend? Posted by: rapier | Nov 4 2005 23:33 utc | 26 Hiya Rupert, Posted by: Kerry the Goanna | Nov 5 2005 0:08 utc | 27 If/since it is in the stars, the impeachment of George Bush, [assuming a Dem comeback in 06], would only result in a President Cheney running as an incumbent against Jeb. [“Wouldn’t be prudent…”] So Cheney has to go first, probably for “health” reasons. They could put Jeb in the VP slot but it’s risky. Better yet, replace him with Condi, who would agree not run in 08. Jeb could campaign as an [untainted] outsider pretending to be a moderate like Poppy… Posted by: gylangirl | Nov 5 2005 0:12 utc | 28 Agreed re: all the caveats wrt to Mr. Wilkerson’s credibility. In fact, the thing I find most hilarious is the one-step-farther-up-the chain bit of firewalling that wasn’t bolded by Billmon: With this story (the publicity is the thing) the serious politicking around the ruins of the Bush admin begins. Posted by: cc | Nov 5 2005 0:47 utc | 30 RossK- it’s Reagan redux during Iran-Contra. Uh, I dunno. Oh, I just don’t know. Hmmm, I can’t remember. Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 5 2005 1:03 utc | 31 fauxreal– jj writes: Posted by: Lexington | Nov 5 2005 1:44 utc | 33 “nature will take its course and the administration will collapse under the weight of its own corruption and incompetence.” lexington Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 5 2005 2:13 utc | 34 As I have posted on here many times, people should read Thomas Dye and “elite theory.” There are elites that control at all levels. From the local elite to the globalist/internationalist elite. The Rockefeller republicans still have much influence behind the scenes and they have lost faith in east coast GHWBs son the Texas pea pod. Posted by: jdp | Nov 5 2005 2:13 utc | 35 Wilkersen is a champion and fervent believer in the Amerikan Empire, he’s just disappointed that they did’nt do it right, not that they tried … he’s no white knight. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 5 2005 2:19 utc | 36 This is very complex. An immense amount of activity is going on behind the scenes. I’m not really sure whether many mid-range and even higher ups both behind the scenes and in public offices know how this is going to play out yet. I think many have not even chosen sides yet.
This is true. Though I suspect it is more like 100, with additional input from another thousand. That’s why Semour Hersh can express dismay at the “coup” perpetuated by a handful. Whenever the media talk about “having a dialogue with the American people” about some issue, you can rest assurred that the issue has been decided already, and its merely time to put the finishing touches on public opinion. Oh yah, one post above quoted Crispin about Kerry’s election remark. Its now posted on Raw Story that Kerry denies saying that to Crispin. Posted by: jj | Nov 5 2005 2:46 utc | 38 Wilkerson on the Newshour, the metaphoric car bomber just drove into the whitehouse. Don’t know why exactly, but a pretty big explosion it was indeed — or tipping point. Sure as shit somethins’ goin down for this to happen, put the whole show on edge — and all over Cheneys ass. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 5 2005 3:15 utc | 39 annna missed Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 5 2005 3:22 utc | 40 They will never turn over the keys to kingdom to that yutz McCain. It will be a useful congressional idiot like Ford. Hastert would be the logical greedhead. Caretaker and then sacrifical lamb for Hillary. She and Bill have always been happy to get the kneepads on for the money folks. Posted by: / | Nov 5 2005 3:40 utc | 41 jj – by way of observation, when bush finished his last press cheerlead re $7.0B for avian flu, (and they’ll probably have to buy it from Israeli’s, like their buying GWII ammunition now), when bush walked from the podium and the curtain parted, there was good ol’ Arie Fleischer in the shadows, directing bush to his meeting with NACPAC/AIPAC. Posted by: ARG12*40 | Nov 5 2005 3:45 utc | 42 / Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 5 2005 4:00 utc | 43 Regarding Mark Crispin Miller and Kerry–jj has the right interpretation, but he is a little mild with his spin: Kerry is a chicken and a Dickhead, always was, and always has been. None of the reporters here in Boaton have any respect for him. It is just like him to leak and then refuse to admit there is a spot on his pants. Could anyone have run a worse campaign that him? With Gore, it was obvious the MSM had to work overtime to trash him, but with Kerry, everyone had half-days. It was almost like, after going to all the trouble to position himself for a dozen years and secure the nomination, he decided he didn’t really want to run after all. Nevertheless, that said, Crispin should have verified whether he could go public–so this was mishandled in the worst way possible. It comes across almost as if Kerry is underlining his faith in the election results. So far the Wilkerson thing, as b pointed out does’nt carry hard evidence with it, but because it does seem sanctioned (by some elite faction) and appears co-ordinated with other internal attacks it is still very serious. On one level, it plays as an orchestrated public relations blowback that, ironically or not, uses the same fast and loose minipulation of the facts that the administration used to manipulate the public (WMD etc) in the run-up to the Iraq war — this time reversed to create an un-recoverable loss of faith&trust in the mind of the public, which then calls the cards to the table. And since they have been bluffing all along, with a pair of 2’s, they are being forced to fold. Lets hope that the public (mind) will throw out the bath water with the baby, and that the failure goes deeper than the personalities involved. That along with them, unilateralism, pre-emption, and all the torture& rendention crap goes with them. Posted by: anna missed | Nov 5 2005 4:21 utc | 45 Cheney can’t be impeached, because the danger to Bush in loss of credibility is too great. Therefore he has to resign. @Malooga, you’re way too articulate to use terms like “dickhead”. I say that not to attack, but to say that I know virtually zip about him, and thought you were about to offer some useful stuff from those who know in Boston, and you offered disappointingly little, other than that he is detested. I only know he’s politically safe, and personally a vain, phony social climber, haunted by the fact that he’s decaying Gentry (name w/out the money). Posted by: jj | Nov 5 2005 4:44 utc | 47 Vermont Votes to Secede from Neo-Zion Amerika Posted by: aqofu03^ | Nov 5 2005 4:45 utc | 48 L-Tryptophan Strikes Again Posted by: dgdo7@09 | Nov 5 2005 5:29 utc | 49 LOL, this is priceless, it’s so funny it *hurts*. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 5 2005 5:46 utc | 50 Ethics? Aren’t those the people we’re trying to stop from crossing the border? (Sorry, couldn’t resist) “There will be no exceptions,” Posted by: christofay | Nov 5 2005 6:03 utc | 52 So the PR face of the Cheney administration is on a fact-finding trip to Argentina on how to assure that the middle class gets dumped into the poor class. First, start a phony patriotic war, check. Second, destroy the value of the currency, working on it in a very hard and serious way for this seriously hard matter. Posted by: christofay | Nov 5 2005 6:05 utc | 53 The perfect storm hit the NewsHour tonight. Even Brooks admitted mistakes have been made. Posted by: Jim S | Nov 5 2005 6:19 utc | 54 @jj-Sorry about the “DickHead” comment. It was juvenile shock value. At least I didn’t call him a “Stalinist Fruitcake.” It is notable that Alberto twelve hours Gonzales is not teaching the ethics class. .. from this neck of the woods, when he came up with that ‘reporting for duty’ stunt, you could hear everyone thinking in unison, ‘what a dickhead’. Posted by: DM | Nov 5 2005 7:28 utc | 57 Yep dickhead is a perfectly fine word to use on someone like Kerry who conforms exactly to the mental image that word conjures. Posted by: debs is dead | Nov 5 2005 10:51 utc | 58 In case anyone is interested in Jim Woolsey’s and his
What I do find striking is the yawning gap between such “conventional expert U.S. opinion” on such matters, and In that respect RGiap’s impassioned polemics are a valuable if disconcerting counterweight to U.S. conventional wisdom, and are, in my opinion, especially precious when he provides “missing links”, as he did (again in my opinion) on Negroponte’s activities while U.S. ambassador to Honduras. One of the basic fault lines separating the U.S. tectonic plate of “rationality” from the rest of the world’s is the question of whether or not Al Qaeda remains essentially a tool of Western intelligence agencies, as it most assuredly was in its origins. This is unthinkable for “responsible” U.S. opinion, but almost axiomatic for many whose opinions are formed outside the American matrix . More generally, the question of just how much “terrorist” violence is created by “friendly” intelligence agencies is, alas, likely destined to remain a subject for heated and fruitless debate. (Cf. for example Khadduri’s blog for today cited above). Over time I have come to share the view that much of that violence is indeed the result of occult manipulation, and indeed that the most “resonant” cases are usually the most suspect. But I don’t know that for a certainty, even in the most important instances. Thus, even, if Fitzgerald has taken only a tiny step, I am extremely happy to see one bit of “mere conjecture” rendered concrete and legally testable. I hope that there will be many more such possibilities, and would be Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 5 2005 11:53 utc | 59 Hmmm. I’ve wondered how Poppy was going to clean up the idiot son’s mess this time. Now I know how. Wilkerson has been sent out by Poppy’s boys to pin this all on Cheney. I’m not buying it one bit. Posted by: semper fubar | Nov 5 2005 12:26 utc | 60 Further to the programmed internal ethics training for all WH staff, no exceptions to be conducted under, of all people, Harriet Miers … here’s some excerpts from the Standards of Official Conduct memo that was circulated back in January of 2001:
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