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November 22, 2005
The VP

Why is Cheney so full of hate?

Milbank:

Vice President Cheney protested yesterday that he had been misunderstood when he said last week that critics of the White House over Iraq were "dishonest and reprehensible."

What he meant to say, he explained to his former colleagues at the American Enterprise Institute, was that those who question the White House’s use of prewar intelligence were not only "dishonest and reprehensible" but also "corrupt and shameless."

Maybe it is this: Bypass Surgery: Good for Your Heart, but Bad for Your Mind?

The exact number of people who suffer post-operative cognitive changes from [coronary artery bypass grafting] is unknown. Researchers use different testing methods to assess mental functioning. Studies indicate anywhere from 20%-80% of bypass patients suffer some mental impairment. Initially, doctors thought the deficits were temporary. But researchers at Duke University Medical Center measured declines in 42% of patients five years post-operatively.

It would fit with Brent Scowcroft’s words:

“I consider Cheney a good friend—I’ve known him for thirty years. But Dick Cheney I don’t know anymore.”

So how does the U.S. assess and get rid of an ill VP?

Comments

pile on Cheney day?
Cohen in WaPo

Cheney, a man of ugly intolerance for dissent, should have been the first to go. His has been a miserable, dishonest performance — which he continues to this day.

no pony for Bush
Robinson in WaPo

As visual metaphors go, it was a lavishly gilded lily of an image, a hanging curveball across the plate, a George Tenet-style slam-dunk: A weary President Bush, trying to escape a news conference in Beijing on Sunday, strides away from the microphone to a pair of locked doors, which he pulls and tugs in vain. No exit , the image screamed. No way out.
(snip)
But the president, like the optimistic kid in the old joke, just keeps burrowing deeper into the pile of manure, even though by now we can be pretty sure that there’s no pony down there.

Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 22 2005 9:28 utc | 1

The Burden of Proof – Cheney

“Although our coalition has not found WMD stockpiles in Iraq, I repeat that we never had the burden of proof. Saddam Hussein did. We operated on the best available intelligence gathered over a period of years and within a totalitarian society ruled by fear and secret police,” Cheney said.

Pat Lang takes the above apart.

Posted by: b | Nov 22 2005 11:21 utc | 2

Cheney is an overstuffed sausage made of things I’d rather not articulate and although I once thought he was strong, and even scary at times, I think he has reached a moment of weakness and oxygen deprivation. A long one. It’s tough.

Posted by: jm | Nov 22 2005 11:51 utc | 3

Thank you for providing this thread, b.
But today I consider Cheney an accidental American hero, for providing us with this political bonanza:
“Senator McCain put it best: ‘It is a lie to say that the president lied to the American people.'”
It is my fondest hope that we can bury Cheney, Bush, and McCain all in one ill pile with national attention to this one little pithy argument. And make no mistake, it is an argument, because Bush has been the Cheney administration’s straight man, the man who couldn’t lie well enough.
So I’m asking everyone at MOA to rack your brains and post the lies (preferably sourced) of Bosh – I can hardly remember anything except his amazing ability to state the truth and have no one notice the mockery

They call you the elite. I call you my base…
I can’t find any WMD here. Maybe they’re under the couch…

etc.
So, in the interests of a more useful pileon, could you all please get a record up here of Bush’s lies. I keep coming up with lies not from Bush, but from his scrum:

Condoleeza Rice, “No one ever expected that they would attack the towers with planes…

So, was Cheney telling the truth, for once? Is Bush the nasty truth at the core of the Big Cheney Lie?
If Cheney’s not lying, then realizing that and how Bush never lies would become even more important to some kind of national reckoning with the last 5 years – we need to talk about truth-abiding Bush and how conservatives are truthing US into Big Lies.

Posted by: citizen | Nov 22 2005 16:25 utc | 4

P.S. Above, I should have said neo-cons, not conservatives.
Better yet, I should simply have named them, “tools, and the occasional gangster.”

Posted by: citizen | Nov 22 2005 16:30 utc | 5

So how does the U.S. assess and get rid of an ill VP?
Guillotine?

Posted by: Ensley | Nov 22 2005 17:05 utc | 6

Padilla indicted, but not in ‘dirty bomb’ case NBC’s Pete Williams reported that Padilla was being transferred from Pentagon custody and into the criminal courts system on Tuesday, ending the long legal battle over whether he should be in military custody.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 22 2005 17:50 utc | 7

BBC News Article examines theory of damage and new technique to limit damage.

Fat droplets, known as microemboli, can develop in the blood while a patient is connected to a heart-lung machine.
These droplets can become lodged in the small blood vessels in the brain, preventing blood flow and triggered small strokes known as transient ischaemic attacks.
In severe cases this can lead to brain damage and death.
Microemboli are thought to be created when a surgeon uses suction to remove blood from the chest cavity, which is then returned to the bloodstream via the heart-lung machine.
Significant problem
Lead researcher Professor Terry Gourlay said: “Microemboli blockages are responsible for a significant proportion of people suffering memory loss, minor personality changes and other brain dysfunctions.
“Over half of all patients who have been on heart-lung machines show some of these signs, so this is not an insignificant problem.”

Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 22 2005 18:28 utc | 8

@citizen
2001: Powell & Rice Declare Iraq Has No WMD and Is Not a Threat — link w/ video
Cheney flip-flop:

A transcript of the 1992 appearance was tracked down by P-I columnist Joel Connelly, as reported in today’s In the Northwest column.
“And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth?” Cheney said then in response to a question.
“And the answer is not very damned many. So I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we’d achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq.” link

too many seach results for “cheney lies” to post.

Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 22 2005 19:56 utc | 9

From the Rude Pundit:

Yankee Go Home (In Time For the Midterm Elections):

… The Rude Pundit wondered what the putatively sovereign Iraqi leadership might have to say about the whole situation. Now they’ve responded, and the answer is simple: Yankee, go the fuck home. And take your shit with you. And don’t worry about the mess you’ve made – we’ll clean it up. Oh, and if Sunni militias use rocket-propelled grenades on your military convoys? That’s just legitimate resistance, so stop callin’ it terrorism.
This all happened at an Arab League meeting in Cairo where Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish leaders from Iraq, including the President, agreed to a communique that said, in part, it was time for “the withdrawal of foreign troops according to a timetable, through putting in place an immediate national program to rebuild the armed forces … control the borders and the security situation.”
The agreement also adopted the U.N.’s language about resistance, that it is a nation’s right to resist an occupying power. However, in delineating the difference between resistance and terrorism (“Although resistance is a legitimate right of all peoples, terrorism however does not represent legitimate resistance, so we condemn terrorism and acts of violence, murder and kidnapping targeting Iraqi citizens and humanitarian, civil, government institutions, national resources and houses of worships”), what becomes pretty explicitly clear is that it’s okay to fuck with the Yankees in uniform…

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 22 2005 20:27 utc | 10

Losing the Fear Factor
by Tom Engelhardt

It’s finally Wizard of Oz time in America. You know – that moment when the curtains are pulled back, the fearsome-looking wizard wreathed in all that billowing smoke turns out to be some pitiful little guy, and everybody looks around sheepishly, wondering why they acted as they did for so long. . .
How stunningly in recent weeks the landscape has altered – almost like your basic hurricane sweeping through some unprotected and unprepared city. . . As always, in the face of domestic challenge, they have responded by attacking – a tactic that was effective for years. The president, vice president, national security adviser, and others have ramped up their assaults, functionally accusing Democratic critics of little short of treason – of essentially undermining American forces in the field, if not offering aid and comfort to the enemy. . .
But instead of watching the Democrats fall silent under assault as they have for years, they unexpectedly found themselves facing a roiling oppositional hubbub threatening the unity of their own congressional party. . .
For the first time since the war in Iraq began, “tipping points,” constantly announced in Iraq but never quite in sight, have headed for home. . .
There could, however, be no greater sign of a politically changed landscape than the decision of former President Bill Clinton (who practically had himself adopted into the Bush family over the last year) to tell a group of Arab students in Dubai only two-and-a-half years late that the Iraqi invasion was a “big mistake.” Since he is undoubtedly a stalking horse for his wife, that great, cautious ship-of-nonstate, the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, should soon turn its prow ever so slowly to catch the oppositional wind.
. . . Fear is no longer on the Bush administration’s side. No wonder they’re now afraid – very, very afraid.

Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 22 2005 20:30 utc | 11

Reflecting on the strategies and history of Bush and Cheney’s treatment of their opponents …
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
– Mahatma Gandhi
However, unsaid is that the first three events may cycle again and again before the final event occurs.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 22 2005 21:27 utc | 12

@manonfyre
appreciate the links, but I’m really curious about Bush lying. I find it revealing that Cheney latched on to “It’s a lie to say the president lied.”
As if Bush were the lone weird oracle in an administration composed of pathological liars. As if the political key to the whole thing was to have one single person who was NOT a good liar, and that makes it politically viable to be surrounded by a wolfpack of liars.
It’s a puzzle. And it seems important (for a citizen of the U.S., anyway) to break down this puzzle.
Does anyone have good proof on Bush lying?

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 22 2005 22:08 utc | 13

how ’bout his stmt “we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn’t let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power”. more

Posted by: b real | Nov 22 2005 22:35 utc | 14

@b real
Thank you. That’s exactly the kind of thing I’m looking to recall. I’ll wager Bush ended up believing it himself, and that’s why he was able to say it. But I’d also bet that – like that key moment in the movie, Memento – he knew it was a lie and then chose to believe, to dis-remember.

Posted by: citizen | Nov 23 2005 0:36 utc | 15

If you Google “bush lies,” you’ll find a lot of material.

Posted by: mismn | Nov 23 2005 0:50 utc | 16

@citizen
Are we reinventing Bush the Younger now as a dim, but predominantly honest, victim of circumstance? Forgive me, but I’m not sure where you are going with this.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 23 2005 0:56 utc | 17

Those who remember Cheney remember a guy
who was a much more yahoo, spontaneous joy,
as his wife can attest. But with the post-
Nam recession, and his state college degrees,
the best he could pull was government work.
A lot of PhD’s end up in government, that’s
what earning your PhD is all about, getting
job security. It’s especially important for a
hick from Mountain States with no connections,
when he’s trying to dodge the war draft.
So he rose through the Fed ranks, schmoozed
his way into the Inner Circle, but he never
really belonged, and never had the slightest
regard for the career pol’s he worked with.
At least that’s what he said going in. Maybe
career service mesmerizes you, I don’t know.
Then he saw an opportunity, and parlayed his
head-of-defense position for a job at the
premier dream of a Western kid, Halliburton.
Take a look at his CEO bio-pic at HAL-KBR.
The sun shines out from that smiling face!
Well, you can take the kid out of DC, but
you can’t take DC out of the kid, and Cheney
wasn’t at the helm of Halliburton more than
a short time before he screwed the pooch and
bought Dresser in 1998, bringing huge asbestos
liabilities to his oil services patron.
I tell you what, the Oil Patch is a place
with no pity. They never forget, and they
*never* forgive. With that one fell stroke,
Cheney destroyed any chance he had in the
private sector. Only the miracle of Bush’s
search for a vice president saved Cheney,
and back to WA DC he went … for life.
I mean, think of it. You’re an average
state college student, hiding out from the
Nam war in WADC among people so ruthlessly
social-elitist he must have loathed every
day he spent there. Then his one hope of
escaping, and leading a normal life as a
private executive, and as a pillar of the
oil community, elbow rubbing with sheiks
and big-money good-old-boys, he screws up.
Big time.
Then his only way out, his only means to
save face, is to crawl back to WA DC as
a dan quayle VP for some druggy playboy
rich kid from Yale with the CiC limelight.
Chr–t, Cheney must loathe his existence.
I mean, really, think about it! Nice kid
from the Midwest, average intelligence,
stays in school to avoid the draft, gets
sucked into WADC like everyone else after
Nam to avoid the nation-wide recession,
does pretty good for a farm kid at DoD,
even among the den of jackals and hyenas,
sees his opportunity, cuts his deal with
the big boys, flies high as Icarus, and
then comes crashing down to serve under a
Village Idiot in the worst administration
in United States history, and the world.
Cheney’s self-loathing, given his MidWest
values, must be *astronomical*. He must be
nearly impotent with inner turmoil, holding
it all in, a sneer and a snarl, and a big
heart attack as a result, now he’s a gimp
with a pacemaker, and going to end up in
some small town with kids throwing dog shit
at his limo whenever he drives by.
How would *you* like that for your bio?
So give the guy a break. He’s a decent kid,
not that crawl-under-a-snake schmooze-Bush
son of privilege and egregious fraud.
If you want to appeal to Dick Cheney, approach
him the way you would approach Johnny Carson.
Just imagine him in Johnny’s shoes, dying to
tell that fatal joke that will bring Bush down.
The secret is to avoid the word, “Halliburton”,
appeal to Cheney’s Methodist religious values.
His deferred salary payments from HAL-KBR should
be over by now, (unless they’ve added on to it,
and I sure hope the IRS is watching). Once he’s no longer on the HAL payroll, and he’s in the home stretch with his Bush lick-spittle service, I’ll bet that he turns out to be a likeable guy,
whether his brain’s micro-embolied or not.
Good night, Johnny.

Posted by: Clarice Starling | Nov 23 2005 1:34 utc | 18

Ahh, Richard
You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition has given you some length of bone, but you’re not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Cheney And that accent you’ve tried so desperately to shed? Pure West Virginia. What’s your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamb? You know how quickly the boys found you… all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars… while you could only dream of getting out… getting anywhere… getting all the way to the Oval Office (?)

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 23 2005 2:38 utc | 19

I used to work as a biological researcher, observing winged insects social behavior in this instance. During one of my autumn field trips
to a mountain lake, observing water striders, Gerris marginatus, after closely studying the golden dot patterns on their backs, then
sitting back and unfocusing, I observed a strange phenomenon.
Water striders seem to meander at random around a pond, but yet they seem to always be in social contact. Across the vast expanse
of pond, always searching for vibrations that mean a living prey, nevertheless, they’re always found packed in social clusters.
When they skate apart from the group, after three or four kicks, they’ll usually turn left. When they approach another individual,
directly, or from the side, they will both turn right. This pseudo-random pattern laid onto their random striding behavior
usually keeps them in the same vicinity of each other.
Sometimes, however, a strider will collide with another and hop over, losing the sequence of signals and turns. Or, they’ll skate
beyond where they can detect the vibrations of their clan, and in every case, they response by violently hopping on the surface,
which usually brings out a scout, and the pattern is restored.
I thought this was unusual, and retired at semi-dusk to my tent to write down the observations, when, while lying in a hammock
looking up into the forest canopy, I observed a social fly most woods walkers are familiar with, one that hovers above the
ground in the shade, seeming to move at random tangents.
Once again, as I watched, they moved in a precise order, even in stacked 2D, they will fly a certain distance, then turn, and in
approach to an oncoming neighbor, both will turn in the same direction, avoiding collision, and remaining together. I don’t
now how the outriders signal their loss, maybe a buzz that’s silent to humans, but invariably, after flying too far away from the
group, they will hover, and soon a scout comes to find them.
The reason I mention this social behavior, from something as insignificant to us as a mere insect, is wondering at the social
patterns inside the Beltway, specifically Representative Murtha and his attempt to address the war in Iraq in form of withdrawal.
Although many in his social group applauded him, there were others, including a junior congressman, who attacked him in
vociferous fashion, then launched a straw-man resolution to make it appear Murtha hadn’t but three friends in the world.
Even more interesting, the next day, Joe Biden attempted to steal Murtha’s thunder, making the war resolution his own.
Even more interesting, today, VP Dick Cheney stepped up White House attacks on critics of the Iraq war like Murtha
and Biden, declaring that senators who say Americans were sent into battle based on a lie are engaging in “revisionism
of the most corrupt and shameless variety.” Shameless! What ever happened to ‘circle the wagons’ and ‘leave no
Congressman behind’?
This is particularly odd, in comparison to the behavior of the water strider or the hovering forest fly. Rather than respond
to the signal from a “lost” fellow elect, one who had lost the meme of the moment and off on a wild horse on his own,
rather than send out scouts, instead, these carrion flies in Congress attacked him, and the dung beetles in the White
House heaped s–t over the lost ones, and all of their ilk.
This is strange, coming from bedfellows, and lascivious bedfellows at that. Members used to stroking their own,
and pulling reach-arounds on their fellows, members used to going down on each other for their own $-gain,
here, suddenly, in the face of a pullout from Iraq, these erstwhile lovers are suddenly all bickey and barnie.
That tells me more than anything Murtha could ponder just where all those missing billions of our tax money
went, those hundreds of bales of millions of $100’s, those ambassador pouches and “sudden trips to Iraq”.
This is one big f–king con game, and the only “terrible blow” to American security if we pull out now, will be an
end to a slime stream of baaksheesh leading to the WH, and every member of Congress, except perhaps Murtha.
Of course, being on Halliburton’s payroll, there’s absolutely no doubt where Cheney’s incentive comes, only the dull
amazement that with his grotesque conflict of interest, rather than recuse himself, he’s their chief attack dog.
Which goes towards Clarice’s observation that Cheney is a deeply conflicted individual, unlike George Bush who
is more detached sociopathically. Cheney, a man of means, reduced to licking spittle off the cowboy boots of a wack job,
in return for chump-change deferred gratuity from his bosses.
Chr–t, you can’t make this s–t up. Darwin had nothing on Capital (sic) Hill.

Posted by: tante aime | Nov 23 2005 5:35 utc | 20

Ten days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda, according to government records and current and former officials with firsthand knowledge of the matter.
Key Bush Intelligence Briefing Kept From Hill Panel

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 23 2005 7:06 utc | 21

Wayne Madsen today voices what some of us have been saying since summer:
There are strong indications in Washington, DC that there has been a coalescence of powerful political, military, and financial interests that do not want to see either Bush or Cheney remain in office for the rest of their remaining three year term unless there is a radical change in policies, foreign and domestic.
Guardedly wishing all Happy Fall Harvest Weekend!!

Posted by: jj | Nov 23 2005 7:17 utc | 22

I saw them. They were fucking up everything I’d ever dreamed up. They were ruining my country. They were ruining my staff. But I couldn’t stop them. Not yet.
My name is Cheney. Dick Cheney.
I’ll admit that these guys weren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer. I knew that going into the gig. But they were what was available, and they wanted me. I couldn’t refuse. Now I know better. But you always know better. When it’s over.
I’ll admit I made some mistakes. The kid, he played me for a fool. He looked the naif – but now I know that I was. All I wanted was to make the world a better place. It wasn’t gonna be easy. Nobody believed that. But nobody believed the Bush kid would fuck it up this badly.
Yeah. The name’s Cheney. Dick Cheney. And I…was….the Veep.

Posted by: Rowan | Nov 23 2005 9:16 utc | 23